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If we get a top 5 pick, would you draft one of the many franchise QB prospects, or do you trust Case Keenum enough, that we can go best player available?

Personally I am not sure about that. Keenum looked really good, about as good as you could want a rookie QB to look. But so far he hasn`t really showed that he can be a winner in the pros. Everybody vanishes in the second half, so does Keenum.

Drafting a QB is always risky - chances are, if you don`t get the first pick you don`t get the next Peyton Manning. And even the first pick is no guarantee as we know. For every Andrew Luck there are at least a dozen Gabberts. But on the other hand, with a team as deep as ours we shouldn`t get a draft pick that high and hopefully we don`t get such a draft pick again in the near future. Can we really skip the chance of a franchise QB for a guy that only played half a season and didn`t get drafted?
 
LikeMike said:
If we get a top 5 pick, would you draft one of the many franchise QB prospects, or do you trust Case Keenum enough, that we can go best player available?

Personally I am not sure about that. Keenum looked really good, about as good as you could want a rookie QB to look. But so far he hasn`t really showed that he can be a winner in the pros. Everybody vanishes in the second half, so does Keenum.

Drafting a QB is always risky - chances are, if you don`t get the first pick you don`t get the next Peyton Manning. And even the first pick is no guarantee as we know. For every Andrew Luck there are at least a dozen Gabberts. But on the other hand, with a team as deep as ours we shouldn`t get a draft pick that high and hopefully we don`t get such a draft pick again in the near future. Can we really skip the chance of a franchise QB for a guy that only played half a season and didn`t get drafted?
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We don't have a deep team thats a huge myth. I would assume Rick Smith is the one that planted that seed in the media.
 
I would probably trade down to get more picks. We have quite a few holes and with the desire for a quarterback that teams are having you can drive up the asking price. If Keenum doesn't prove to be the direction they want to go then they can still draft someone later in the first or second. I don't see a quarterback in this draft that is a 'must have' that separates themself that much from the next guy.
 
texanhead08 said:
We don't have a deep team thats a huge myth. I would assume Rick Smith is the one that planted that seed in the media.
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Well, I´d say on offense we are good, except for RT and maybe another G would be nice. WR looks good, HBs look good, TEs look good.

On Defense it looks like we have more holes. DEs are fine, DT is alright I guess, but could do with an upgrade. We could use 2 more LBs, 1 ILB and one OLB. Our Corners look good and I am satisfied with our Safeties.

So imho our holes are RT (you don`t draft that with a top5 pick - and we drafted 2 last season), G (again too high to draft one here), DT (no prospect worthy and not that big a need, ILB (maybe Mosley, but I think that`d be a reach), OLB sure, we could go there and many probably think we should - Barr, Beasley, maybe even Clowney might be our pick.

So besides the LB position, I really don`t think we have a hole to fill with a top 5 pick. Sure, we might go WR to add another weapon and as security for the end of AJs career.

Of course, we could always try to trade away that pick to get more talent overall...
 
Trade down in the first and get more picks if possible. To me the biggest single needs we have are ILB, OLB, and RT.

We should be able to address all three of those in the first two rounds if the Texans play their cards right and everyone expected to come back from IR does so. Still if I were the Texans GM (whoever it will be when the time comes) I wouldn't depend on having anyone back. Cushing is a beast but that's two in two years. We need another Cushing.

Wait, forgot about NT. Damn we need a big ol' NT in the middle. Wade says otherwise but I'm sick of seeing it not work. Maybe he can call a defense with a smaller NT but I don't like having to watch it get pushed all over the field.
 
Fortunately(or unfortunately :kitten:), we still get a good number of games to see play out to be able to address this premature topic.

So far, I like what I've seen from the kid, but he's still got a bit to prove. He will hit a sophomore slump, I'm all but certain. But I like him. I still would want to draft another prospect in the draft, but with as many needs this team has been exposed to have this season, it's fair to say Case would have to crash and burn before I'd green light a top 5 pick on a QB this year. Throw that top potential 5 to a real gaping hole that can't be addressed in FA, or as someone else suggested, trade down if an offer to do so presents itself.
 
I wouldn't pass up clowney or Matthews....maybe even nix.

I'd keep that top 5 pick if one were available and trade down from the top of round 2.
 
deucetx said:
I would probably trade down to get more picks. We have quite a few holes and with the desire for a quarterback that teams are having you can drive up the asking price. If Keenum doesn't prove to be the direction they want to go then they can still draft someone later in the first or second. I don't see a quarterback in this draft that is a 'must have' that separates themself that much from the next guy.
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I do like some of the QB's in this draft, but if Keenum plays well the rest of the way then I'd like to roll with him next season. It is obvious that this team has many many holes and I'd like to trade down if we can get a good return of picks. But there is the issue. I am not confident in the teams front office to have more hits than misses in the draft.
 
The real question: What if we lose out the rest of the way and finish the season 2-14 with 14 losses in a row? That will likely net us the first overall pick. Would you still trade down? That first overall pick would have a lot of trade value.

Right now at 2-7, the Texans currently own the 4th overall pick but if we lose these next two games at home against the Raiders and Jaguars - not entirely out of the question because those two teams have reliable kickers and we don't - we will become the new frontrunners for the top pick.

Keeping Randy Bullock is going to be a blessing in disguise.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Jake Matthews would be my choice. We would be set at LT and RT for the next 5 years between him and Duane.
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If we end up with the first overall pick, I think we can trade down a few spots and still select Jake Matthews at number 4 or 5, in my opinion. The other bad teams in that area will be looking at a quarterback, especially the Vikings and Jaguars. I'm not sure what Tampa Bay or Atlanta would do but I can't imagine them passing up on Clowney, Barr or even Mosley.
 
Still a lot to evaluate with Keenum, but where we currently stand, you take the QB if he's there and the one you had at the top of the board. If he's not, you take the BPA. Unfortunately, there's too many holes on this team for tunnel vision. Arguably, there's a need at every level on both sides of the ball.
 
I like Keenum and he's on of the few bright spots that make it even worth watching at this point, but 3 games is not enough time to decide what happens in round one of the draft.

Many Cinderella story QB's have fallen back to earth after teams get some tape.

I hope he succeeds it makes a great story but at the end of the day it's about wins. I liked Kubiaks story and stayed loyal to him past when I should have let go, I was in love with the idea of a hometown hero. I won't make the same mistake, so I'm cautiously optimist ice at this point.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Still a lot to evaluate with Keenum, but where we currently stand, you take the QB if he's there and the one you had at the top of the board. If he's not, you take the BPA. Unfortunately, there's too many holes on this team for tunnel vision. Arguably, there's a need at every level on both sides of the ball.
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You can draft a QB if one is there that you think is worth that pick and groom him behind Keenum . If Both can play , trade one of the QBs for a 1st rd pick or two 2nds .
 
Not that I love Keenum, but I don't think any QB in this years draft is worth a top 5 pick. I'd draft Manziel, Mariota, and Boyd later in the first, though...

Draft Jake Matthews imo
 
If Kubiak stays, I'm sure we'll be drafting Jake Matthews. If the house is cleaned, we'll be drafting a QB. I don't think a new HC stays with Keenum. He'll want his own guy.
 
I'm really torn on whether to take a QB or not .... Im not convinced that any of this years QB's are "Franchise QB's."


Keenum has had his moments of brilliance and has limited his mistakes - 0 INT's tho a couple probably shoulda been.
But when the heat gets turned up , the entire offense has come apart at the seams.


I haven't decided if Keenum is at fault or if its the failings of the OL along with the fact that they haven't had a back able to pick up blitzes consistently with Foster on the shelf , Tate injured giving snaps to what amounts to street FA's.


Give me a top 5 pick right now and I take Matthews if he's available. If not , I likely try to move back to #8-10 and take FSU's Cameron Erving or Tennessee's Antonio Richardson.

Without reasonable protection , we just cant evaluate the QB spot. Foster's health plays a big part in this as he's been very good at blitz pickup where Tate and others have been subpar to piss poor.

I'd be willing to give Keenum this season and next before making a long term decision at the position based upon what he has been able to do thus far .... but would likely sign a vet FA as insurance.

As for the OLB spot , I have to wonder if better play at the nose would result in more production from those OLB spots.

We all too often see QB's able to step into a clean pocket while the OT's direct the OLB's beyond the QB .... because there is no push up the middle. Get some push up the middle and the QB cant step up on a regular basis. The more I think about it , the more I realize this is the main reason the Texans give up so damn many 3rd and long conversions.

My first three picks are RT , ILB and NT - pending the talent is available.


We also have to consider potential FA losses - Ninja being the main one.
 
I think we go for a QB regardless of what Keenum looks like the rest of the season because you can never have too many quarterbacks.

This draft is essential in determining whether or not we go back up quickly or stay in mediocre land for a couple more years. Smith has whiffed on too many picks the last couple of years in areas of need. I don't know if he's letting the coaches run too much of the draft show or what the deal is, but essentially wasting second and third round picks year after year is killing this team at key spots and not building up any depth.

I think we have too many holes to fill to begin addressing them in one draft, but he's gotta be more than 30% effective in his picks...a top QB to come in and give us some competition at a spot where you need a franchise guy to go to a SB is a good foundation that we can at least build on.
 
I'm still waiting to see if Keenum can learn to deal with the blitz...

He has impressed me in many ways & I've been pulling for 'im, but I'm not ready to make the call that we-don't-need-a-QB yet. I'm anticipating it and all that, but...

We don't have a top 5 pick yet (and I'm going to change the # just a little here), but I'm kind of of-the-opinion that a team with a top 3 pick needs a QB (hopefully one worth taking is available)....or they wouldn't have a top 3 pick in the first place. :choke:
 
a qb wont fix our secondary woes. we need a cb, s, ilb and olb, plus a rt and k.....and depth every where

we need the fill some holes in the off-season grab a quality back up qb and roll with case

id try to get a db AND rt in free agency

michael oher would be my rt

grab like sam shields or byrd or tj ward.....
 
Corrosion said:
Not to argue with the rest of the post ..... But if you have two QB's , you don't have a QB.
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I see your point. But I guess at this stage in the game, we're not really going to see truly what Keenum is capable of because we're working with a coaching staff that is robotic, uncreative, and loathe to make adjustments.

So, he might be great but held back by systematic coaching. Or, he may have reached is apex...how is anyone to know if he's "the guy" under this coaching staff and working under the assumption that the Texans are going to clean house this offseason and get a new coaching staff?

If they don't clean house, you will find my body dangling from the nearest shower rod.
 
Corrosion said:
Not to argue with the rest of the post ..... But if you have two QB's , you don't have a QB.
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Seems to have worked out pretty good in GB; otherwise that's true when both QBs suck.

Drafting a QB early, especially with today's rookie salary cap, and having him sit a year behind Case is absolutely doable.
 
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Make it rain in Reliant!
 
Don't want Clowney or Carr. Trade down if we can get good value. Draft class reminds me of Mario class. Bad luck again for Texans as far as draft timing goes. The results the Texans haven't had are strictly self inflicted. Hard to have Super Bowl contender with Capers/Casserly and Kubiak/Smith leading us. Just my opinion.
 
If we get a top 5 pick I'll tell what we're going to do...

We're gonna make damn sure he knows better than to video himself jerking off and putting it on the internet!

Uncle Bob needs to hire a guy who does nothing but walk around the locker room advising players on what a bad idea it is to do that. They won't call him "The Turk" but I'm sure a creative and descriptive name is out there somewhere.....
 
IlliniJen said:
I see your point. But I guess at this stage in the game, we're not really going to see truly what Keenum is capable of because we're working with a coaching staff that is robotic, uncreative, and loathe to make adjustments.

So, he might be great but held back by systematic coaching. Or, he may have reached is apex...how is anyone to know if he's "the guy" under this coaching staff and working under the assumption that the Texans are going to clean house this offseason and get a new coaching staff?

If they don't clean house, you will find my body dangling from the nearest shower rod.
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We obviously have differing views on the coaching staff and offensive system ... no need to get into that at this time.


But we don't know and wont know what we have in Keenum ..... until the OL and backs are able to protect him.

Derek Newton - not starter quality , that's why he's splitting time with Harris.(First freaking play of the game - sack , strip , fumble , 0-7 home to climb out of)

Wade Smith - Old , injured , just plain worn out , needs to be replaced.

Dennis Johnson & and Deji Karim missing blitz assignments ?! 20 yard loss ?!

All of the above ?! How the hell do you evaluate QB play when he's running for his life or flat on his back ?!


Barry Sanders couldn't escape that kinda pressure.
 
depends on if case plays good or not

if he plays bad then its a easy decision get a QB 1st round

if he plays good then I guess trade down 2 get more pics this team has a lot of holes to fill if we can get a extra 2nd round pick that would be sweet
 
Passing on a QB in the first, taking an O-Lineman, and then taking a QB in the second sounds way too much like the Jake Long and Chad Hennie combo for my liking.

Seems entirely too high to take a RT.

It will all depend on Keenum, and if a new coach comes in.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Passing on a QB in the first, taking an O-Lineman, and then taking a QB in the second sounds way too much like the Jake Long and Chad Hennie combo for my liking.

Seems entirely too high to take a RT.

It will all depend on Keenum, and if a new coach comes in.
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That's one of the reasons I would strongly consider a trade back to ~8-10 if we were in the top 5 and not taking a QB (Or our target QB is gone) and taking Cameron Erving of FSU.


The other thing to consider is "How many more years does Brown have at LT"?

Drafting a guy like Matthews allows you to plug him in at RT right away and possibly move him to LT later , basically Browns future replacement is on the roster. This really softens the blow of "this is too high for a RT".
 
take best player available out of barr, clowney, mosley or matthews. or trade back to around 10 and hope one is still available preferably mosley!

this scenario applies even if keenum crashes and burns. i don't see a franchise QB worth taking
 
Corrosion said:
That's one of the reasons I would strongly consider a trade back to ~8-10 if we were in the top 5 and not taking a QB (Or our target QB is gone) and taking Cameron Erving of FSU.


The other thing to consider is "How many more years does Brown have at LT"?

Drafting a guy like Matthews allows you to plug him in at RT right away and possibly move him to LT later , basically Browns future replacement is on the roster. This really softens the blow of "this is too high for a RT".
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i agree with this scenario :goodpost:
 
The biggest hole a team can have is at qb. Its easy to say there is only 1 franchise qb,but u better be right or you're doomed for awhile. I think the texans need to think long term when talking franchise qbs. Drafting a qb or any other player is risky. Remember when aaron curry was the safe pick? Your franchise fortunes rests on the player who touches the ball the most.
 
If we get a top 5 pick I want to trade down to the 12-18 range. With such a trade we could easily pick up an early 2nd and a mid 3rd or 4th depending on how far we trade down. The great OT prospects, with the exception of Matthews, will still be on the board, a great CB prospect, NT prospect, etc... will still be available and be a better value along with the extra picks that we need to fill holes. Having two early 2nd round picks offers us some great talent at a great price.
 
Corrosion said:
That's one of the reasons I would strongly consider a trade back to ~8-10 if we were in the top 5 and not taking a QB (Or our target QB is gone) and taking Cameron Erving of FSU.


The other thing to consider is "How many more years does Brown have at LT"?

Drafting a guy like Matthews allows you to plug him in at RT right away and possibly move him to LT later , basically Browns future replacement is on the roster. This really softens the blow of "this is too high for a RT".
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This is why I think Matthews is the safest pick.
He does well both at RT and LT.

Good technique, good pad level, good kick slide, good movement combined with the skill and knowledge of how to use his hands and arms, Quick and efficient on the second level, strong to sustain the bull rush, recover nicely upon mistake.

This guy has it all.
He's playing LT this year and I'm drafting him as such.

Your QB's best friend.
 
leebigeztx said:
The biggest hole a team can have is at qb. Its easy to say there is only 1 franchise qb,but u better be right or you're doomed for awhile. I think the texans need to think long term when talking franchise qbs. Drafting a qb or any other player is risky. Remember when aaron curry was the safe pick? Your franchise fortunes rests on the player who touches the ball the most.
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Aaron Curry? :lol:
 
leebigeztx said:
The biggest hole a team can have is at qb. Its easy to say there is only 1 franchise qb,but u better be right or you're doomed for awhile. I think the texans need to think long term when talking franchise qbs. Drafting a qb or any other player is risky. Remember when aaron curry was the safe pick? Your franchise fortunes rests on the player who touches the ball the most.
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So who is your franchise QB this year?

We agreed that there was none last year, only potential.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Jake Matthews would be my choice. We would be set at LT and RT for the next 5 years between him and Duane.
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This.

Love me some Duane Brown, but the big guy's been scaring the sht out of me all year long. Maybe we get lucky & Brown regains form, then we've got a solid RT & this team with a solid OL should be able to go a long way with a healthy Foster, Andre, Hopkins..... & Case.

Speaking of Case, Kubiak created a top 5 offense with a 3rd round back-up & an All-Pro Wider Receiver. As long as Keenum doesn't start playing scared (which he shouldn't with a solid RT) the offense will be fine.

With that said, if there's a QB worthy of a top 5 pick, I wouldn't be opposed to taking him. Provided there isn't an equally worthy player we could use. Luck, Griffin, Newton, even Stafford... Phillip Rivers, I'd have a hard time passing them up.

But as far as I know, no one is talking about this current crop of QBs like those guys.
 
IlliniJen said:
I think we go for a QB regardless of what Keenum looks like the rest of the season because you can never have too many quarterbacks.

This draft is essential in determining whether or not we go back up quickly or stay in mediocre land for a couple more years.
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I still think a solid RT would take this team to another level.
 
I think the big difference is whether Matthews is a generational talent at RT. If our record means a shot at a guy like Clowney and still allows us to get a top 5 of round 2 RT, then the answer is obvious to me.
 
bhsman said:
I think the big difference is whether Matthews is a generational talent at RT. If our record means a shot at a guy like Clowney and still allows us to get a top 5 of round 2 RT, then the answer is obvious to me.
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Clowney is an intriguing prospect without a doubt .... but damn he has some question marks that come along with him. If I'm picking top 5 , I want a player with as few questions surrounding him as possible while having loads of potential.

He's gone missing in action in several games on top of those question marks. I don't touch the guy in the top 5.
 
Corrosion said:
Clowney is an intriguing prospect without a doubt .... but damn he has some question marks that come along with him. If I'm picking top 5 , I want a player with as few questions surrounding him as possible while having loads of potential.

He's gone missing in action in several games on top of those question marks. I don't touch the guy in the top 5.
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This. He seems like the guy who only shows up in a contract year. I'd much rather have Barr than Clowney.
 
bhsman said:
I think the big difference is whether Matthews is a generational talent at RT. If our record means a shot at a guy like Clowney and still allows us to get a top 5 of round 2 RT, then the answer is obvious to me.
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Many will disagree with you on Clowney and part of problem is there probably will not be excellent type RT after round one. Matthews, Lewan, Richardson, Kouandijo & Erving should be gone in first and maybe Scherff who I have not watched. His 2012 leg injury is a concern. If you are going to skip OT in first, I would wait for JuWuan James in 4th who has played RT for years and is equivalent to those rated above him like Hurst, Collins and Henderson. The risk of waiting is like with my 3rd rounder NT Ryan Carrethers; if you wait you better get whom you want later.
 
badboy said:
Many will disagree with you on Clowney and part of problem is there probably will not be excellent type RT after round one. Matthews, Lewan, Richardson, Kouandijo & Erving should be gone in first and maybe Scherff who I have not watched. His 2012 leg injury is a concern. If you are going to skip OT in first, I would wait for JuWuan James in 4th who has played RT for years and is equivalent to those rated above him like Hurst, Collins and Henderson. The risk of waiting is like with my 3rd rounder NT Ryan Carrethers; if you wait you better get whom you want later.
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How would you feel if they took

rd.1 Clowney
rd.2 Christian Jones
rd.3 Carrethers
rd,4 Moses or James

Even if they had to trade up to get the RT?
 
Whichever QB whomever is in charge likes best, not named Carr. The NFL is a quarterback driven league and that ain't changing. Let Case and the new guy compete in camp, pick the winner and move on. With the new rookie cap deal trading a 1st round pick shouldn't be difficult if the rookie loses out to Case.

Cloneny scares me. When he flashes he's amazing, but he looks mediocre for long stretches.
 
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