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If Texans draft Mario, I'm burning my Texans gear

dwilt72

dwilt72

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First off we lose Vince. OK, I can understand that. Reggie Bush makes us better quicker. I don't agree with it, but still Reggie is an incredible player. Now we're hearing that we may have sat through a disastrous 2-14 season and we don't get Reggie either! This had better be a smoke screen! We will be the laughing stock of the league if we pass on Vince AND Reggie! I tell ya what, McNair better start listening to his fans or that stadium is going to be EMPTY!

:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
 
dwilt72 said:
First off we lose Vince. OK, I can understand that. Reggie Bush makes us better quicker. I don't agree with it, but still Reggie is an incredible player. Now we're hearing that we may have sat through a disastrous 2-14 season and we don't get Reggie either! This had better be a smoke screen! We will be the laughing stock of the league if we pass on Vince AND Reggie! I tell ya what, McNair better start listening to his fans or that stadium is going to be EMPTY!

:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
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Same verse, same as the first. A little bit louder and a little bit worse ...
 
Well at least we see who is an ACTUAL fan once again.

In the words of Jim carrey...:loser oooooser.

You're NOT a real talent evaluator. You nor anyone on this board (myself included) get paid to look at film or measure or interview or anything else involving these players.

Its one thing to say you'd be upset about them picking this but to say the FANS need to be listened to on who we picks is OBSURD to say the least. Do not pass go Do not collect $200....immediately seek fan counseling.
 
McNair nor Casserly is listening and they're not looking either. Game film doesn't lie. They say they want to win right away but if they take anyone but Vince Young they don't want to win right away. David Carr has above average physical abilities but I don't think he'll ever get the defensive reads down. Too many mental mistakes. Did anyone watch the combine? Vince was the only QB to hit either target (he actually hit both) and even Neon Deion said on the BDSS that Vince is ready right now. He has intangibles that will make up for his learning curve. They don't wanna win anytime soon. You gotta have a QB.
 
Shut up, all of you, please, yall are making my head hurt.

Go ahead, burn your gear, cancel your tickets, but when they start winning, I don't want "fans' like you withing 100 yards of Reliant Stadium property
 
I'm with the guy burning his tickets. Don't give me this "when they win you'll be back, so screw you" crap. This is the most stupid move imaginable. Three weeks ago, it was Reggie versus Vince. Now we're getting Mario Williams? BLECH. Makes me want to puke. And the TExans will be the laughing stock of the league. Plus we'll have to play Vince Young twice a year anyway. Yay, Texans.:brickwall
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Well at least we see who is an ACTUAL fan once again.

In the words of Jim carrey...:loser oooooser.

You're NOT a real talent evaluator. You nor anyone on this board (myself included) get paid to look at film or measure or interview or anything else involving these players.

Its one thing to say you'd be upset about them picking this but to say the FANS need to be listened to on who we picks is OBSURD to say the least. Do not pass go Do not collect $200....immediately seek fan counseling.
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You must be a Cubs fan. I'm not going to blindly follow no matter what they do. Only a handful of team executives think Mario Williams is a better pick than Reggie Bush. So maybe I'm not a talent evaluator, but I do listen to people in the league. Too many comparisons have been made to Mario Williams and Mike Mamula. And who is Reggie Bush compared to? Oh, I don't know, some fellows named Sayers, Sanders, Faulk and last time I looked these gusy are either in the Hall of Fame or headed there.

I know this isn't an exact science, but I've seen how Reggie plays, yes it was against the PAC-10, but still he's a threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball. How many times have we watched the Texans march 60-70 yards and then the drive stalls with a sack, a penalty or a fumble. We haven't had anyone that could make a play and score long TD's. Until we do, we aren't going anywhere! And the bad thing is we are doing this because we are AFRAID that he will hold out! I say NO GUTS, NO GLORY!
 
BradK10 said:
Shut up, all of you, please, yall are making my head hurt.

Go ahead, burn your gear, cancel your tickets, but when they start winning, I don't want "fans' like you withing 100 yards of Reliant Stadium property
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If this is making your head hurt, how bout finding something else to do?
 
dwilt72 said:
If this is making your head hurt, how bout finding something else to do?
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I can't, reading this message board this past week is like slowing down to look at a bad car wreck.
 
dwilt72 said:
I say NO GUTS, NO GLORY!
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If I am reading the above posts correctly, this move takes a lot of guts. It is about 5th on the list of things the randk and file wanted

1- VY
2- Bush
3- Brick
4- Trade down
5- williams (heck more people may have wanted AJ Hawk or v. Davis)

This is a you better be right pick.
 
Just think, now instead of watching a scoring fest of Bush and Young when the Texans play Tenn., now we get to see Mario Williams chasing around behind Young as Tenn is scoring left and right. Should be funny, Travis Johnson getting drove off the ball opening that huge hole and Vince slipping by Mario as Mario performes that huge up field rush he does so often. Don't worry it will be just as funny when Bush hits the same hole when we play the Jets. To look at hte brighter side of things, David Carr is going to turn things around!:gotexans1
 
Dont burn your texans gear... Just mail it to me... I will be happy to take it off your hands..

Ill be looking for you again in 3 years when we are a winning franchise saying wow that mario williams guys is a sack artist. Thats Irony...

Casserly and Co. get paid millions for this so feel free to chime in with your :twocents:

I guarantee you if the pick pays off youll be raving about the wisdom they had to pick a player like that. I don't hear any eagles fans Booing about Mcnabb over Ricky now do you?
 
dwilt72 said:
I tell ya what, McNair better start listening to his fans or that stadium is going to be EMPTY!

:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
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You'll calm down and come to your senses first. :)
 
houstonhurricane said:
If you had to sit through all of these losing seasons (and paying to do so), you would probably feel the same...
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I don't know, it says he's from Arizona...
 
Somebody check Stubhub tonight, and then check it tomorrow around noon, and see how many more Texans tickets go on sale.

Where will you be? Not at Reliant.
We live for Sunday? Yes, to watch Sunday Ticket.

*vomiting in same toilet Texans are flushing their future down*
 
houstonhurricane said:
If you had to sit through all of these losing seasons (and paying to do so), you would probably feel the same...
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First off, I did until 2005. I did however still manage to catch 3 games last year despite living in Arizona.

I'd still pay to go to games, and when I move back next year, I'll be picking my seats right back up from my cousin who's using them while I'm out of Texas.

I love my Houston sports teams, and I understand the the "sexy" pick is not always the best, and that sometimes, you gotta do things that won't please everyone. Yao Ming wasn't a popular pick either, but he's turned out okay (don't give me the "he hasn't won title" thing, not his fault).

In short, Houston sports fans are the worst, and this is proof. It pains me to say it, but now I see why everyone from outside our great city feels that way.
 
You guys are worse than Astros fans....it's called a spectator sport. If you don't want to watch, then don't. I love my Houston teams win, lose, or tie. Support who we pick....nough said.
 
aggiechance said:
You guys are worse than Astros fans....it's called a spectator sport. If you don't want to watch, then don't. I love my Houston teams win, lose, or tie. Support who we pick....nough said.
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Some people are not content with loosing Aggie, I know in College Station it has become a every year thing but some fans want to see winning seasons! :redtowel:
 
i have to be honest with you guys and say that if the words Mario Williams come out of Tags mouth while the Texans are picking I'm going to be very angry. I'm not going to say that I'll burn my gear (I think that's silly) or that I'll quit following the team but I am going to say that it's another step away from the kind of team that Bob McNair said he was bringing to Houston. It's the "value pick" and it's taking the easy way out. It comes on the heels of last years Derrick Johnson non-pick and follows another first round defensive lineman. Oh wait a second, counting Jason Babin (Since that's where he'll be moving) that makes three in a row.

We spent a 1 on Carr, then a 1 on AJ. We followed that with a pair of 1's on Dunta and Babin to even things up and changed the early focus to defense. Of course we threw away the rest of our first days draft to do it but hey, that's what they wanted to do. Then we took TJ last year.

The pick to make here is Reggie Bush. The thing to do is take him whether there's a deal or not in place. If they force the Mario Williams pick because Bob McNair insists on having him signed by the day of the draft then Bob McNair is something I never imagined. He's stupid.

I just can't believe they're going to pass on Reggie Bush to select Mario Williams.

Jerek I know I said earlier that I'll be ok with it and as an isolated decision that's still the case. Taking it as one in a series of first round moves I have to say that it's pretty depressing to think that my team is choosing to do this.
 
texan279 said:
Am I the only one at least kind of excited about Williams possibly being a Texan?
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Maybe. Counting Babin and TJ we will have selected three defensive linemen in a row in the first round. How far removed is that from Matt Millen picking a WR with his 1 every year? Anybody?
 
texan279 said:
Am I the only one at least kind of excited about Williams possibly being a Texan?
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nope, there are a few of us

and it's not even a "i like mario more than anyone else" thing, we just realize that our defense is pathetic and needs severe help
 
Hervoyel said:
Maybe. Counting Babin and TJ we will have selected three defensive linemen in a row in the first round. How far removed is that from Matt Millen picking a WR with his 1 every year? Anybody?
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It's completely different. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY different.

WRs are guys who touch the ball MAYBE 8-10 times per game. Defensive linemen put in 50+, and if you want to be a great team you need deep lines, especially defensive, so you can cycle guys in and out and keep the pressure on the offense.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Well a Defense that plays 70 % of the game is not really going to be that good now are they?
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Well, they certainly WON'T be good if they're playing that much correct. I imagine the average number of plays each team runs per game is somewhere in the 45-65 range. Obviously if the defense is on the field 70% of the game, your offense needs help.

But...if you think the 2006 Texans offense will be equal of the 2005 model, you're outta you're freakin' mind.
 
BradK10 said:
It's completely different. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY different.

WRs are guys who touch the ball MAYBE 8-10 times per game. Defensive linemen put in 50+, and if you want to be a great team you need deep lines, especially defensive, so you can cycle guys in and out and keep the pressure on the offense.
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No, in the grand scheme of things it's really not all that different. Yes, your numbers are right but no, you don't take into account the fact that for three years we will have spent first round money on one area of our team. The words "A lot of money to sink into your D-line" come to mind. I've seen them around a lot but I didn't think much of them because I never imagined that we would seriously consider passing on Reggie Bush to draft the legendary Mario Williams.

In those three years we passed on a number of offensive playmakers. 2004 I'm good. 2005 I'm ok. 2006 and we're doing the same thing again I got a problem.
 
houstonhurricane said:
If you had to sit through all of these losing seasons (and paying to do so), you would probably feel the same...
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Go to the Bengals board and say that... Our 4 losing season is a drop in the bucket compared to that!!!

we have had more succsess than any other expansion franchise that didnt shell out money for a bunch of free agents. We did it pretty much on our own with what we had..

SHUT UP with "all these losing seasons B.S" WE HAVE TONS TO BE EXCITED ABOUT EVEN IF WE DRAFTED THE TOWEL BOY OUT OF MICHIGAN WITH OUR FIRST OVERALL PICK!!!

We have a new Offense, A new Defense, A Quality pass catching TE, A quality #2 rec. We have helped the Interior of our line... We have signed some defensive players to help us..

If you can't get excited for that and say we are doomed because of who we draft with the #1 pick. Go be a cowboys fan and be done with it. Personally when you have a few losing seasons, I think it makes winning that much sweeter..
 
BradK10 said:
Well, they certainly WON'T be good if they're playing that much correct. I imagine the average number of plays each team runs per game is somewhere in the 45-65 range. Obviously if the defense is on the field 70% of the game, your offense needs help.

But...if you think the 2006 Texans offense will be equal of the 2005 model, you're outta you're freakin' mind.
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I expect them to be better. I think they'd be a lot better if the Texans would pick Bush. That's just me though.

I don't think we're going to see that much difference in what Domanick Davis can do so I hope to hell pass protection gets better and Eric Moulds has what we think he does in the tank.

Besides by week 7 we'll be seeing just as much of Morency as we will Davis. He'll be banged up and getting 3.1 per carry. Then when we've lost a bunch of games he'll come back in the last couple of weeks, bust out three or four 100 yard games that we may or may not win and get his thousand yards. DD fans rejoice that for one more year he's proven that he's the 16th or so best running back in the league.

No thanks. I've seen plenty of that already.
 
But...if you think the 2006 Texans offense will be equal of the 2005 model, you're outta you're freakin' mind.
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Why? What have he done to fix the offensive line? Our offense isn't gonna be much better this year than it was last year, even with Moulds or even Bush.

Anyways, this is probably the biggest reach I have seen in awhile in regards to a #1 pick. Williams was in no way a dominant college player (I've got nothing against the guy and I'd be happy we picked him if it was around pick #4). IMO, to be picked #1 you need to be a dominate player.

This just proves to me that most of the people in our front office (and maybe even the owner himself) are inept.

But, picking Mario will make things interesting around the city of Houston tomorrow (and by interesting I mean many "near riots"). That should be fun to watch.
 
Trogdor014 said:
Why? What have he done to fix the offensive line? Our offense isn't gonna be much better this year than it was last year, even with Moulds or even Bush.

Anyways, this is probably the biggest reach I have seen in awhile in regards to a #1 pick. Williams was in no way a dominant college player (I've got nothing against the guy and I'd be happy we picked him if it was around pick #4). IMO, to be picked #1 you need to be a dominate player.

This just proves to me that most of the people in our front office (and maybe even the owner himself) are inept.

But, picking Mario will make things interesting around the city of Houston tomorrow (and by interesting I mean many "near riots"). That should be fun to watch.
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I've said it once and I'll stand by it until the end of the 2006 season: the coaching changes are going to make a lot bigger difference in this team than most think. The schemes and everything else about the prior regime was straight up garbage.
 
dwilt72 said:
First off we lose Vince. OK, I can understand that. Reggie Bush makes us better quicker. I don't agree with it, but still Reggie is an incredible player. Now we're hearing that we may have sat through a disastrous 2-14 season and we don't get Reggie either! This had better be a smoke screen! We will be the laughing stock of the league if we pass on Vince AND Reggie! I tell ya what, McNair better start listening to his fans or that stadium is going to be EMPTY!
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How can you say we'll be the laughing stock of the league? It's possible that Reggie Bush can be a bust. Same with Vince Young. Same with Mario Williams. It's also possible that Mario Williams will be a stud for years to come. Am I slightly disappointed? Yes. But I like Mario Williams. I would rather have Reggie Bush, but Mario Williams will also make us better.

DynoMoxie said:
McNair nor Casserly is listening and they're not looking either. Game film doesn't lie. They say they want to win right away but if they take anyone but Vince Young they don't want to win right away. David Carr has above average physical abilities but I don't think he'll ever get the defensive reads down. Too many mental mistakes. Did anyone watch the combine? Vince was the only QB to hit either target (he actually hit both) and even Neon Deion said on the BDSS that Vince is ready right now. He has intangibles that will make up for his learning curve. They don't wanna win anytime soon. You gotta have a QB.
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How can you say Vince Young will help us win right away? Vince Young is going to be sitting his first and probably even second year in the NFL. So what if Deion said that Vince is ready now? If you listen to Salisbary, Mortenson, Mel Kiper, etc... they all say he's not. Gary Kubiak believes in David Carr. I trust Kubiak more than Deion. And we have a QB. His name is David Carr.

dwilt72 said:
Too many comparisons have been made to Mario Williams and Mike Mamula. And who is Reggie Bush compared to? Oh, I don't know, some fellows named Sayers, Sanders, Faulk and last time I looked these gusy are either in the Hall of Fame or headed there.
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I haven't heard any comparisons between Mario Williams and Mike Mamula. Didn't Mike Mamula do very little in college? Mario Williams was an awesome player in college. Cromartie and Mamula might be a better comparison since Cromartie hasn't played in over a year. Bush may be like Sayers, Sanders, and Faulk. But he might also be like Ki-Jana Carter.

Yes, I'm like a lot of you true Texans fans who are dissapointed, but a true fan will follow them through thick and thin. Yes, offense is sexy, but defense does win championships. Reggie Bush may be the best player in the draft on 3/4ths of the teams boards. Well, Courtney Brown was probably the top player on many teams boards back when he was drafted. Tim Couch probably was also. The whole draft is about speculation. Once it all turns into fact, then we can truely evaluate the draft.
 
Mario Williams had 10.5 of his 13 sacks in 3 games last year. I would hardly call that consistent or dominant. He wasn't even the ACC Def Player of the Year. Can he end up being great? Sure, anything is possible and he is only 21. He has great upside. But is he worth the #1 pick? Not at all.

These comparisions to Peppers are premature. When you watched Peppers at UNC, he just jumped off the screen. You just knew that he was going to be great. I don't get that feeling with Williams.

As my monikor suggests, I'm an Old Oiler Fan but have been hoping and rooting for the Texans to get it together and field a competitive and fun team to watch. I really can't believe that they are going to pass up on 2 of the most amazing and accomplished college football athletes of the past 20 years for a workout warrior project! Amazing!

Screw it! Go Titans!
 
outofhnd said:
Dont burn your texans gear... Just mail it to me... I will be happy to take it off your hands..

Ill be looking for you again in 3 years when we are a winning franchise saying wow that mario williams guys is a sack artist. Thats Irony...

Casserly and Co. get paid millions for this so feel free to chime in with your :twocents:

I guarantee you if the pick pays off youll be raving about the wisdom they had to pick a player like that. I don't hear any eagles fans Booing about Mcnabb over Ricky now do you?
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The problem is that Mario wasn't even his team's MVP. No one had heard all that much of this guy until the combine. His production at the start of last season was not very good and he seems to have problems getting motivated. Is that what we really want to build our defense around?
 
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