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I wish we had Dak Prescott...

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Watching the Cowboys vs Redskins has me feeling jealous. Not gonna lie!! i wish we had a real GM or decent scouts that actually know what to look for and find talent. But, it is what it is. Guess I have to come to terms that "Cowboy Cuntry" (pun intended) will take over out stadium in SB51.

By the way, This isn't a "Fire Rick Smith" post, but more of a what could have been rant. I suppose.

Anyway, hope everyone is having a Happy Thanksgiving!
 
That kid can play. No doubt about it. The Dallas Cowboys may play the New England Patriots in Super Bowl 51. I think those two teams, when healthy and firing on all cylinders, are on another level and on a collision course to meet at NRG Stadium on February 5.

The only team I'd worry about are the Seattle Seahawks. Russell Wilson and those boys are probably the one team, maybe the New York Giants as well, that can beat the Cowboys in the NFC playoffs. If the Seahawks still had a beast like Marshawn Lynch carrying the rock I would like their chances a lot better. Ditto with the Giants. They lack a good running game.

The Dallas Cowboys can play smash mouth football with the best O-Line in the league and two good running backs. They also have an All Pro wideout and a future Hall of Famer at tight end along with a couple of other speedy and reliable wideouts. Ezekiel Elliot is sensational and may become an All Pro as a rookie running back.

Dak Prescott has an array of weapons...
It's like a paradise for any quarterback to have.

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody as well!
 
Happy Thanksgiving. I hope none of you guys ODed on Food today. == I think we need a Fire Rick Smith thread without a doubt. Why can't we ever get a Dak on our team? == I want to change one thing. I do hope someone ODed on Food today. Can you read my mind? :)
 
bigmck said:
Happy Thanksgiving. I hope none of you guys ODed on Food today. == I think we need a Fire Rick Smith thread without a doubt. Why can't we ever get a Dak on our team? == I want to change one thing. I do hope someone ODed on Food today. Can you read my mind? :)
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Rick Smith? Lol
 
bigmck said:
Happy Thanksgiving. I hope none of you guys ODed on Food today. == I think we need a Fire Rick Smith thread without a doubt. Why can't we ever get a Dak on our team? == I want to change one thing. I do hope someone ODed on Food today. Can you read my mind? :)
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Bob McNair/
Cal?
 
cstyle42 said:
Bob McNair to me will never pick a qb like Dak in the draft... they are too safe minded and too average like... national average type thinkers. Nothing outside the box... just very Texans Worthy type picks.
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Yep, and I didn't think Dak's game would translate to the NFL. Of course I also didn't know the adversity he faced in his personal life while in college. Had I known how he fought thru his mother passing and improving his game in spite of that, he would've moved way up my draft board.
 
cstyle42 said:
Bob McNair to me will never pick a qb like Dak in the draft... they are too safe minded and too average like... national average type thinkers. Nothing outside the box... just very Texans Worthy type picks.
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Yep, and I didn't think Dak's game would translate to the NFL. Of course I also didn't know the adversity he faced in his personal life while in college. Had I known how he fought thru his mother passing and improving his game in spite of that, he would've moved way up my draft board.
 
Can we just have one All Encompassing The Texans Suck Because They Didn't Draft/Sign The Player I Wanted Or The One That No One Thought Would Be Great But Looks All-Pro In 20-20 Hindsight Thread?

The Cowboys are a damn lucky team right now. Dak started 3rd on the depth chart and was considered a developmental player to eventually replace Romo. He only moved to backup because Moore broke his leg and the team couldn't trade with Cleveland for the Pride of the Bearkats Josh McCown. He starts only because Romo breaks his back. They had no plans to start him this year and were scared sh!tless when it became their only option. Just because it has worked out well for them doesn't make them geniuses or McNair/Smith idiots.

And for the record, neither he nor Elliott see this level of rookie success without that Dallas O-Line. Period. Both of them better be buying Rolexes and fur coats and hookers for those guys.
 
The Cowboys were lucky, I will give you that. If not for injuries, Dak would still be on the bench. == We needed a QB and we took Clowney. That is what makes me grit my teeth.
 
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bigmck said:
The Cowboys were lucky, I will give you that. If not for injuries, Dak would still be on the bench. == We needed a QB and we took Clowney. That is what makes me grit my teeth.
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I hear you. But going into that draft there was no QB worthy of a 1:1. Bortles was the closest and we see where he is at going down the David Carr career path. JFF went down the JaMarcus Russell career path. Carr and possibly Bridgewater are complete 20/20 hindsight situations.
 
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sandman said:
I hear you. But going into that draft there was no QB worthy of a 1:1. Bortles was the closest and we see where he is at going down the David Carr career path. JFF went down the JaMarcus Russell career path. Carr and possibly Bridgewater are complete 20/20 hindsight situations.
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Barring the number of people who believed ahead of time that those guys would be able to play, ya?
 
bigmck said:
The Cowboys were lucky, I will give you that. If not for injuries, Dak would still be on the bench. == We needed a QB and we took Clowney. That is what makes me grit my teeth.
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So you're saying we should have taken Bortles or Manziel? Because those were the only realistic QBs to take #1 overall.
 
I'd still rather have Derek Carr. Prescott was a pick that nobody (even the Cowboys) viewed as better than a 50/50 shot at being a solid starting NFL QB. Drafting (or not drafting) Carr was a decision that was forced on the Texans, and it appears highly likely that they got it wrong.

Besides, if we're just picking QB's who were available to us at some point in history, and have played better than the QB play we've seen thus far this season, there is a list that extends long past Prescott, and includes probably 8 or 10 other guys. I wish we had Aaron Rodgers, I wish we had Russell Wilson, I wish we had Kirk Cousins... etc., etc., etc...
 
Like what others have said, there's a lot of luck involved in drafts. Cowboys tried hard to get back in the 1st to take Lynch. When that fell through, Cook was their next target, but Raiders swooped in. Taking Dak was their third option on QB.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/01/nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-war-room-jerry-jones-peter-king

Success of a QB has a lot to do with the situation they're put in. What if Brady was taken by the Browns? Would he still be considered one of the best ever? Guys like Derek Carr and Dak were put in the right situation to enable them to meet their potential. That's why I never play the hindsight game with QBs. You can't say if Derek Carr was a Texan, he'd be as good as he is now. The same with Dak.

TBH, can you imagine if Texans do not sign Brock and drafted Dak in the 4th? Most likely Savage is starting, Weeden 2nd, and Dak 3rd. And we'd all be bitching about how we went another year without getting a QB.


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sandman said:
Maybe I missed all of the NFL scouting reports that said Carr or Bridgewater were a logical 1:1 pick.
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Wasn't arguing 1:1 specifically. Just that those guys were there more or less to be had while we still needed a QB and meanwhile a number of people believed they could play.
 
The modern NFL QB.

Wilson,Mariota,Rodgers,Luck, etc.. etc..

Guys with good arms, but more importantly with the ability to avoid the bigger and faster defender that is evolving in the game. You can't stand in the pocket like a statue anymore.
 
Uncle Rico said:
The modern NFL QB.

Wilson,Mariota,Rodgers,Luck, etc.. etc..

Guys with good arms, but more importantly with the ability to avoid the bigger and faster defender that is evolving in the game. You can't stand in the pocket like a statue anymore.
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So stay away from the next Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. Got it!
 
sandman said:
I hear you. But going into that draft there was no QB worthy of a 1:1. Bortles was the closest and we see where he is at going down the David Carr career path. JFF went down the JaMarcus Russell career path. Carr and possibly Bridgewater are complete 20/20 hindsight situations.
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Jimmy G and it wasn't hindsight.
 
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sandman said:
I hear you. But going into that draft there was no QB worthy of a 1:1. Bortles was the closest and we see where he is at going down the David Carr career path. JFF went down the JaMarcus Russell career path. Carr and possibly Bridgewater are complete 20/20 hindsight situations.
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Clowney had nothing to do with Carr. Nothing to do with Bortles or Bridgewater either.

damn right we needed a QB. We needed am edge rusher, ILB, OG, OT, & a safety as well.

I don't think Clowney was the best fit for this team, I'd have taken Robinson, Watkins, maybe even Mack... Blue Chips, then trade up to get the QB we wanted or get him later in the draft.

for all we know that's exactly what they did, except their guy was Tom Savage. maybe, most likely, they realize they were wrong about Tom. just as they cold have been wrong about Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr... maybe they didn't think those guys fit our offense any more than Clowney fit our defense.

maybe they thought they could get JimmyG & got screwed. who knows? but the point... taking any of those QBs #1 overall is about as stupid as giving Brock $37M.

that said, there was just as much reason to believe Brock would be as productive as Dak is... slim. Just as much reason to believe Lamar Miller would be as effective as Zeke... slim.

it helps that Dallas' offense is three years in... at least three years with their OL, Whitten, Dez, Beasley... just add the easiest position for a rookie to make an impact & tell your rookie QB not to do anything stupid (I do believe there's more to it with Dak).


anyway.... hopefully our offense is coming together & next year we'll go on a nine game win streak
 
dream_team said:
TBH, can you imagine if Texans do not sign Brock and drafted Dak in the 4th? Most likely Savage is starting, Weeden 2nd, and Dak 3rd. And we'd all be bitching about how we went another year without getting a QB.


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It's really hard to tell, like you said the situation they were thrown into plays a big part in their development. but seeing how Bortles is developing in Jacksonville, & how O'b has developed Mallett & Savage... we'd most likely be upset had we drafted Blake, Bridgewater, or Carr.
 
Uncle Rico said:
The modern NFL QB.

Wilson,Mariota,Rodgers,Luck, etc.. etc..

Guys with good arms, but more importantly with the ability to avoid the bigger and faster defender that is evolving in the game. You can't stand in the pocket like a statue anymore.
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It's cyclical. soon enough we'll see an NFL where guys who can decipher defenses quickly from the pocket, directing defenses with their minds... are all the rage again.
 
sandman said:
Wasn't he picked in the 60's and at least the 5th QB taken? And you were on record before the draft that he was a legit 1:1 pick?
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Nope if you look at my mock drafts that yr I wanted Clowney Rd.1 and Jimmy G Rd.2. They tried to get cute and let him fall to them in Rd.3. New England traded up to the last pick in 2nd rd and the Texans picked Fiedo with the 1st pick of the 3rd rd.

Apparertly they learned their lesson, albeit the hard way because they traded up for Mckinney in 2015 and Fuller/Reader in 2016. Of course they did miss out on a franchise QB (Jimmy G IMHO) because they are a reactionary type franchise.
 
sandman said:
Wasn't he picked in the 60's and at least the 5th QB taken? And you were on record before the draft that he was a legit 1:1 pick?
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No, but he was a legit 2:1 pick and many of us wanted that to happen
 
sandman said:
I hear you. But going into that draft there was no QB worthy of a 1:1. Bortles was the closest and we see where he is at going down the David Carr career path. JFF went down the JaMarcus Russell career path. Carr and possibly Bridgewater are complete 20/20 hindsight situations.
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steelbtexan said:
Jimmy G and it wasn't hindsight.
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JB said:
No, but he was a legit 2:1 pick and many of us wanted that to happen
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We're changing the conversation. sandman specifically mentioned 1:1

Taking him at 2:1 is totally different & I doubt sandman would have been opposed.

1:1, taking Carr, Bortles, Bridgewater would just add to why we're in the situation we're in now.
 
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