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How long do we ignore the obvious?

TK_Gamer

TK_Gamer

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How long does KUBIAK get a free pass? you can look at the game film till yer blue in the face and you will still find as many bad play calls, or lack of play calls as you will find miscues from the texans players. this from kubiak whos promised us he would play to win. or "bring a winning attitude to the texans" Mr. Kubiak yer not doing that. we have showed the rest of the league we will not play to win so you dont need to score alot, just manage the clock and you will beat us.
 
Well Kubiak isn't going to be fired and our offense has shown improvement this season. The non existent 2 minute offense is very odd. I don't know how many bad play calls Kubiak has done. You need to give some examples.
 
TK_Gamer said:
How long does KUBIAK get a free pass? you can look at the game film till yer blue in the face and you will still find as many bad play calls, or lack of play calls as you will find miscues from the texans players. this from kubiak whos promised us he would play to win. or "bring a winning attitude to the texans" Mr. Kubiak yer not doing that. we have showed the rest of the league we will not play to win so you dont need to score alot, just manage the clock and you will beat us.
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He's giving us the winning attitude, just not the wins. To me it seems he's got the balls to make challenges, unsuccessfully, but not the stones to call deep passes. But I don't think he's getting a free pass, this is obviously a much better team then last year and it seems that Kubes is doing a really nice job for the most part. He has us headed somewhere. To me that easy 4 game stretch we have coming up after the Jags will be the defining point of the season. If we start beating bad to middle of the road teams I'll be able to look forward to next year. The rookies will have time to grow and it should be a decent next year, unless they let go of Carr and start over.
 
ok in this game alone:

no 2 minute drill at the end of the half

no deep routes for AJ when we need them

calling time out on 2nd down assuring that if the giants get the first down they can run out the clock and win.

calling short yardage and running plays when time is runining out and we need to score.

and this is not just this game, you can just about repeat all of these in every game we have played this year. if you cant see it you arent watching the same games.
 
Well now the sack numbers are going way down, so if Kubiak realizes that he should start integrating mroe deep balls in to the play book. I've been puzzled by the lack of deep balls all year, so no argument there.
 
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.
 
TK_Gamer said:
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.
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If we keep playing the way we have Kubiak will not go at the end of the season. I think that they have to keep Carr around unless there is a gaunteed better thing. If Gary changes to a rookie QB then his time in Houston may be short lived.
 
TK_Gamer said:
How long does KUBIAK get a free pass? you can look at the game film till yer blue in the face and you will still find as many bad play calls, or lack of play calls as you will find miscues from the texans players. this from kubiak whos promised us he would play to win. or "bring a winning attitude to the texans" Mr. Kubiak yer not doing that. we have showed the rest of the league we will not play to win so you dont need to score alot, just manage the clock and you will beat us.
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Man. That's it. I'm done with these boards. Too many morons. Adios.
 
TexMexVato said:
Unless you got a crystal ball dude, I don't see either of the two happening.
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I'd be more apt to agree with that, niehter makes much sense. You don't can a coach after year one and you don't get rid of a QB who has shown the potential that Carr has. Now they just need to work together to establish the deep ball. I wonder how much better we'd be with a healthy D.D.
 
underdog65 said:
All Kubiak has done is steadily improve the team and all Carr has done is get better.
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QB's success in this league is not rated that simply, to succeed in the NFL as a QB you must Lead your team to tuff victories. this includes coming from behind. end of the half 2 minute drill TD's. the deep pass at the opportune time, etc etc. and Kubiaks playcalling has virtuallly elliminated all of these possibilities.
 
What I find most upsetting is the fact that the breaks just do not go our way.

The difference between the Texans and a good football team is that when push comes to shove, they shove the ball down the other team's throat.
(Unrelated question: At what point does push come to shove?)

It seems that when the Texans get into a situation where they need to perform, they fall apart. All they needed today was to not make a key mistake and they would win. Yet for us it seems the key mistake is a guarntee.

Just sad when we beat ourselves. Half the games we have lost could have been victories absent certain key mistakes.
 
Jeez-us, fool, we're half way through his first season!
Were you this tolerant our first year in the league?
What did you expect-we'd be 8-0 at this point?
 
texan767 said:
Jeez-us, fool, we're half way through his first season!
Were you this tolerant our first year in the league?
What did you expect-we'd be 8-0 at this point?
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no I expect us to TRY to win football games. when your D makes a great stop and you get the ball back with almost 2 mins left in the half and you are ahead or behind you try to score. when you are down in the game with 3 mins to go you throw the football down the field not run draw plays and short passes. thats all I expect, that we TRY to win and show the other team we are not gonna lay down and take what they dish out.
 
TK_Gamer said:
no I expect us to TRY to win football games. when your D makes a great stop and you get the ball back with almost 2 mins left in the half and you are ahead or behind you try to score. when you are down in the game with 3 mins to go you throw the football down the field not run draw plays and short passes. thats all I expect, that we TRY to win and show the other team we are not gonna lay down and take what they dish out.
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How did we not try to win?

We just lost to one of the best teams in the league by only 4 points.

If our defense had stopped New York after the fumble then we would have had a chance.

Our offense was effective at the end of the game.
 
bah007 said:
How did we not try to win?

We just lost to one of the best teams in the league by only 4 points.

If our defense had stopped New York after the fumble then we would have had a chance.

Our offense was effective at the end of the game.
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did you even read my whole post?
 
I think that we would have had a better chance at winning the game if we stopped them after the fumble then if we scored and let their offense play.
 
kubiak went for it on 4th down- so its not all bad..im not happy about the 2 min thing either but im not goin to fire him over it
 
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many !d!0ts on this board? :brickwall
 
DRAMA said:
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many *****s on this board? :brickwall
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yes.
 
FLYmeatwad said:
Well now the sack numbers are going way down, so if Kubiak realizes that he should start integrating mroe deep balls in to the play book. I've been puzzled by the lack of deep balls all year, so no argument there.
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I held season tickets last year went to every home game. Bought sunday ticket to ensure I saw every away game. (I live in another state) I can 't recall this many deep balls last year. I have seen a great deal of improvement in down field passing this year, at least in attempts. I'm happy with it. Defenses aren't throwing eight in the box much these days. I say our deep ball is being noticed by someone at this point.
 
DRAMA said:
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many !d!0ts on this board? :brickwall
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YES, in all of our threads actually.
 
I feel some of you think this is madden football.

it takes time for players to learn the scheme and go from thinking to just playing, we have learned all new systems right now without the talent to fit our scheme(we are building)
 
trutexan02 said:
Excuse the first three weeks...Defense has been improving with every game since. I don't think so.
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yes we have been getting better, but still lack talent. I honestly am not impressed with our defense.. we still don't stop the run (and we have a huge payroll on our DL)
 
Wolf said:
I feel some of you think this is madden football.

it takes time for players to learn the scheme and go from thinking to just playing, we have learned all new systems right now without the talent to fit our scheme(we are building)
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I agree.

Look at the Redskins. They bring in new talent every year but arent successful cuz there is no chemistry.

You have to give a team a chance to learn the new schemes & to learn the tendencies of their teammates so that they know where everyone is gonna be at a given time.

Good example to follow: Patriots
 
Wolf said:
I feel some of you think this is madden football.

it takes time for players to learn the scheme and go from thinking to just playing, we have learned all new systems right now without the talent to fit our scheme(we are building)
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I've said as much in other threads. Good post. They will be better as the season wears on. They may have played their best game today. The Giants are legit Super Bowl contenders.
 
our defense can't stop the run, but I like some of the things we can do. Mario is an example(I hope not a fluke) of being able to do things and presure the QB and play more natural than sitting there and thinking and reacting
 
TK_Gamer said:
ok in this game alone:

no 2 minute drill at the end of the half

no deep routes for AJ when we need them

calling time out on 2nd down assuring that if the giants get the first down they can run out the clock and win. calling short yardage and running plays when time is runining out and we need to score.

and this is not just this game, you can just about repeat all of these in every game we have played this year. if you cant see it you arent watching the same games.
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I have no problems with what he id here. First of all, we stil had two timeouts and had the ball at their 37 when Cook fumbled, so if anything you would want to take a lot of time so they have very little after we score. In regards to the time-out, he put the onus on his players to make a stand. They came close, but couldnt hold the Giants. The only truly debatble aspect of this game was the two-minute drill and overall conservative play-calling. However, after the disaster last week, I wasnt at the least bit surprisd with the 2-minute drill. We also came in with a game plan to get the ball out quickly, but I do agree we should have taken at lest one shot deep to AJ.
 
I think it's all about perspective. He's always come out and said that the coaches could do a better job and they need to do a better job of putting the guys in a position to succeed. Also, even though Kubiak is an offensive guru you gotta realize this being a new HC comes with alot more ground for him. He's gotten better and he's learned from some of his mistakes. I don't think he's getting a free pass, but the fact that he's greatly improved the team shouldn't be easily overlooked. That being said I don't think he did well in putting two FB's out there and trying to punch it up the gut. I'm not a big fan of that formation being used that way. You got lead blockers like that you should try to get them in space instead of just piling up more bodies at the LOS.
 
DRAMA said:
We play one of the best teams at their place and all we hear is...

Fire 'em all...and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM....and if they don't go undefeated...then fire THEM!!

Progress was made....but hell, fire 'em anyway. Kubiak to be fired after season? We went 5 wide today and we fire Kubes? Do we truly have that many !d!0ts on this board? :brickwall
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Yes, yes we do.
 
Explain to me why people gave Capers 4 years to improve and Kub only gets 8 games... I dont understand how you cant let him slowly improve our team.
 
First it is get rid of Carr, but since he was almost flawless today
Now it's get rid of Kubiak...

maybee we should fire Cook for loosing the game for us.

Every time we lose a game someone posts a "fire the scapegoat" post. I guess this week since the team played pretty well Kubiak is the only one left to complain about.

We lost this game because of a single fumble.
Thats the NFL, get over it.
 
dantem said:
First it is get rid of Carr, but since he was almost flawless today
Now it's get rid of Kubiak...

maybee we should fire Cook for loosing the game for us.

Every time we lose a game someone posts a "fire the scapegoat" post. I guess this week since the team played pretty well Kubiak is the only one left to complain about.

We lost this game because of a single fumble.
Thats the NFL, get over it.
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This is a message board.

some frustrated fans are going to have some frustrating posts.

I dont think anybody really wants Kubiak out of here.
 
I agree with the original post. This is at least three times that we have sat on the ball with plenty of time to mount a drive at the end of the half. Wasting possessions like that is pathetic. Either Kubes is very dense, or he doesn't believe in his QB. His time management has been atrocious in every game this year. He's not learning from his mistakes, and that is a problem. He either needs to put a QB in that he has confidence in, or grow a pair. Right now, I say put a dress on him and call him Carrie Kubiak.
 
Kubiak is 'LEARNING' how to manage a bad team. Kubes has spent the majority of his career on winning teams. This is not a winning team. Contrary to what's being spewed here, Kubes must learn how to coach this team to 'become' a winner as opposed to coaching a winning team to become the 'ultimate' winner. He's conservative for the most part right now. One fumble lost us this game today basically.

It's like a parent that wants me to teach their kids how to be great readers. If they don't read well, do I teach them to read articles about quantum dynamics and yell out for them for not getting it or do I teach them how to read at grade level and let them have small successes that encourages them? That's IMHO...

Bad teams lose games by one fumble - good teams overcome one fumble.
 
Giants fan here,
First off I want to say good game, you guys came in and played hard.
I was actually very impressed with Kubiak. Maybe there's some valid points about his game management but he had a great game plan. He knew we had a good run D (something a lot of coaches have been surprised by this year) and he saw that, particularly with injuries on our D our secondary would be vulnerable. The quick pass, empty backfield approach took away our strength (pressure/pass rush/run D) and played to our weakness and your strengths. Carr wasn't pressured much cos he was able to get the ball off quickly and the extra recievers and spread field took away our blitz since we had extra guys to cover. It was a good game plan. At the end of the day our guys kept fighting and we scraped a win. But i really think you have the building blocks of a really good team.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Thanks, man. Have a great rest of the season.
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Thanks man. I honestly think with a good draft and free agency you guys could be really good next year. Carr has some learning to do (as does Eli) but i like his accuracy. he's got good feet and lots of guts. Mario williams was a great draft pick. Excepting the stupid late hit on Eli (which our rookie DE Kiwanuke decided to copy later! - stupid, rookies!) he was a force. Kubiak had a good game plan and you have some good receivers. The team played with heart and guts. Improve your O-line and Seconadary and you've got a scary team. I'm not sure about the running game since no-one's really had much success against us there this year.
 
I'm beginning to believe that Kubiak builds his game plan with the biggest 'emphasis' on keeping Carr's 'psychy' in check, and not on what is best to 'attack' the opposing teams defense.

Carr's pocket 'presence' is horrible, as is his ability to read defenses. Too, he has a very 'weak' verticle passing game. Given these facts, it's not a suprise we don't now-nor have we ever-scored many offensive points. Our defense only gave up 14 pts today, and we still could not out score that number.

Most of our offensive scoring this year by Carr has been in garbage time in the 4th qtr., so what does it all mean? Today's game against the Giants, IMO, is a s good as it's going to get.

Kubiak promised us 'coaching to win,' but that is not what he is delivering-why? JMO, but-in some way or some form-Carr's limitations as a QB-especially 'mental'-seem to be the problem.:brickwall
 
Kubiak`s showed me some grit last week by benching Carr. When Kube starts Sage I will be singing high praises . Carr will never lead this team to a winning season. Carr is MsNair`s boy and Kube knew by taking this job he would have to make a Qb out of Carr. Sorry I don`t think thats gonna happen. When Kubiak has full control of football decisions(I think McNair has more of a hand in this than we think) we will see a different team.
 
TK_Gamer said:
all I know is if Kubiak keeps this up all year, 1 of 2 things will happen, Carr will be gone after this season or Kubiak will be.
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You've made some valid points, but to say this sentence is ridiculous would be an understatment. The Texans signed Carr to a 3 year contract and besides the game against the Titans, Carr has shown improvement. If you expected him to be a Pro Bowler in his first year under a new coach implementing a new system, you don't know football. And to say Kubiak will be gone because he doesn't go into a 2 minute drill or because he's made mistakes in coaching moves is just utterly dumb. Kubiak is in his first year as a head coach. Just like Carr, if you expected him to come in here, perform miracles, and outcoach the other team every game, that would be dumb. I'm not saying that's what you said, but just to mention that Kubiak might be gone is insane. Kubiak is going to make mistakes as a rookie HC. But the Texans are improving under him. He's not going anywhere. Neither is David Carr.
 
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