ATXtexanfan
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I think the percent of qbs that can do what OB wants is small
I think the percent of HC/OCs that can work with DW4 is quite large
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I think the percent of HC/OCs that can work with DW4 is quite large
ATXtexanfan
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A butt load lol
If I'm watson I dont resign here. I take my talents elsewhere. I find a HC or OC that will play to my strengths
I think OB will be a better coach at his next job.
I'm ready for this situation to end. We gotta wait at least another year.
McClain said something that made sick. I'm paraphrasing.......
OB wont get fired unless they have a bad season. And watson to talented to have a bad season
This sucks
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett, Case Keenum, Brian Hoyer, T.J. Yates, Brandon Weeden, Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage
edit: duh and Deshaun Watson and AJ McCarron .. also BJ Daniels and Taylor Heinicke threw a few passes if memory serves me correct.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
austins23
Hall of Fame
Texans drives of 10 plays or more this year.
New Orleans - 16 plays, 80 yards, TD
Jags - 15 plays, 66 yds., FG
11 plays, 76 yds., FG
Car - 10 plays, 76 yds., FG
Atl - 11 plays, 75 yds., TD
10 plays, 65 yds. FG
KC - 12 plays, 49 yds., FG
10 plays, 75 yds., TD
12 plays, 80 yds., TD
10 plays, 42 yds. Missed FG
11 plays, 65 yds., INT
12 plays, 103 yds. TD
9 plays, 42 yds. GAME OVER
(Best game of year, IMO, offensively)
OAK 11 plays, 54 yds. FG
15 plays, 82 yds., TD
JAC 13 plays, 77 yds., FG
14 plays, 80 yds., TD
BAL 11 plays, 45 tds., Missed FG
IND 10 plays, 42 yds., FG
NE 13 plays, 88 yds., TD
DEN 12 plays, 66 yds., TD
14 plays, 76 yds., TD
(Garbage time TD's against soft prevent Defense)
TEN 10 plays, 54 yds., INT
12 plays, 85 yds., FG
TB 14 plays, 73 yds., FG
10 plays, 64 yds., FG
TEN 15 plays, 75 yds., TD (first opening drive TD in forever, McCarron)
16 plays, 80 yds., TD (McCarron)
27 drives of 10 plays or more. 12 TD's, 11 FG's, 2 missed FG's, 2 INT's.
austins23
Hall of Fame
127 touches for the season. 83 rushes (4.9 YPA), 44 rec. (9.3 YPR), 44 receptions is 2.75 per game. Hardly enough to say that OB utilized him for what he was traded for. 5 rec for 23 yards in the KC game.
I'm not renewing my season tickets this coming year. I hate not doing it but man....I'll still go to a game or 3 during the year because I like hanging out with my tailgate friends.
Although ST's did a good job this year and that game, I would ask "Why are we kicking to one of the best and fastest KR's in the league?" That was not good. Could Farbairn NOT get it to the endzone? Bad planning if you ask me.
How many times can you remember Hopkins going in motion and starting his route from said motion? Maybe that's not what he is supposed to do I don't know. But what OB has him doing now doesn't get him WIDE open very often.
Jimmy G is under Shanny and is one game from the SB. IMO he's not better than Watson. Shanny's offense is ridiculously good. Jimmy G has a top 3 TE and a bunch of JAG's at WR and Shanny creating the offense.
Watson has JAG's at TE, 1 great WR, 1 very, very good WR (when he can play), and OB creating the offense.
I think, if the QB's switched coaches, Watson would be killing it while Jimmy G would be getting killed. Would Watson still have his "oh crap" moments, sure. But he just very well may be one game from the SB if that was the case.
You calling a dismissal of the HC by ownership of the Texans ? That would please me but I'd be very surprised
if he's not still here in the 2020 season.
I'm just about to this point. I was eating a late lunch at Olive Garden at kick off last Sunday.
Disagree about Jimmy G.
Look at his record and when he joined the 49ers they were bad. Jimmy G was undefeated in New England and won his 1st six starts on a bad 49ers team then got hurt last yr early. He's very underrated. He's very accurate and gets rid of the ball when nothing is there.
He's been successful in both the EP/WC systems. There's a reason Belichick pitched a b!tch when Brady went to Kraft and made Belichick trade Jimmy G.
In fact I would say RS biggest mistake during his tenure wasn't reupping Schaub/Cushing when he didn't have too. It was not drafting Jimmy G.
Texansballer74
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Better coaching and way better schemes. Add in a really good running game. That’s why Jimmy G looks aight out there. But from all the 49ers fans I know, are not impressed with Jimmy G.
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He looked pretty darn good running the EP system for belichick too. Belichick wanted to keep Jimmy G at all costs.
I value Belichick's opinion far more than I do yours. Shanny's for that matter too. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
Texansballer74
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Man the offense was watered down. It was at its simplest form. Just like it was with Brissett.
And you can’t say at all cost because it wasn’t. Dude is a 49er now.
After Brady talked to Kraft, Kraft told Belichick to trade Jimmy G. Teddy J said this on his show at the time of the trade.
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Uncle Rico
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What difference does it make? You fire BOB now and see if another coach can do the job then if not you worry about that. BOB is absolute trash. He is making the same kind of mistakes today he was making his first year. Actually I think he’s gotten worse. He’s now making mistakes that you don’t see high school coaches make. He’s incompetent and there is no denying that.
he’s had no real success with any of his QBs so using Watson as an excuse to retain him is silly.
In interviews, podcasts or social media postings, a number of former NFL QBs or players constantly make negative comments about O’Brien‘s offense and how the system is underperforming with the available talent. How it doesn’t do many of the things good offenses are doing around the NFL. How it doesn’t consistently create easy throws for his QB and WRs. How the route concepts are basic and easily defended. They say Watson makes mistakes and is still learning, but the majority question if O’Brien and his scheme can help Watson reach his potential or even minimize his weaknesses.
With that said, I give Watson two years after he is away from O’Brien and his failed EP offense before I can say he is NOT a franchise QB. At this point, those two years can be because O’Brien is fired or Watson is on another team.
Texecutioner
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And who's fault is that?
Americans fault that's who.
The fact that American football fans allowed themselves to get their arms twisted into getting scammed into PSL investments is their own doing. I thought about getting some season tickets when they first came out, and had no idea what PSL's were. Every time someone tried explaining that crap to me, it seemed hard to understand their purpose and they were just a nuisance if anything else. There was no way I was going to purchase one of those things. I don't know of any other sport that has that crap. NFL football fans asked to take it up the ass.
Texecutioner
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Cursing and screaming has always been part of NFL football on game day.
What is it now we have these whiny fans who want other fans thrown out the minute profanity is screamed out when it has been going on for 50+ years? What we're all of a sudden all to mentally weak to handle it?
Very typical of progressives to try and ruin the game day experience like everything else because their "feelings" are to important and fragile.
Nothing wrong with what O'Brien did. Ditka did that stuff all the time and it made him famous. Its nice to see a HC defend his guys sometimes. Just because fans get to scream stuff at anyone they want, doesn't mean the players and coaches shouldn't be able to yell something back.
TxnsJuggernaut1
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DW4 and BO'b seemed like the perfect match when they first started working together. Then DW got hurt and the injury bug caught up to some other key members of the team. When DW4 came back it seems BO'b quit doing what he had done with DW4 before. I think DW4 has a lot of potential but BO'b is squandering it to some degree. I don't feel that some of DW's shortcomings are unavoidable and feel that if he were with a coach that knows his Qb's limitations he could best utilize his strengths. BO'b is too hard headed and insist on trying to put a square peg into a round hole. I have seen enough Qb's succeed under coaches who are willing to utilize the strengths of their young Qb's. DW4 has weaknesses that are obvious but he also has a lot of strengths that make him a special talent. Either BO'b goes back to what was working for him and DW4 or he stays stubborn and his job will be on the line. Cal McNair's hand will be forced if we have another playoff implosion.
We talk about our O-lines troubles but I have witnessed plenty of times when DW4 had more than enough time to complete a pass and he ended up sacked or running to get as much yardage as possible. I realize he should not get sacked on those plays where he had plenty of time to deliver a pass. We talk about DW4 not reading defenses but before he got injured the first time our offense looked explosive. Too many times when DW4 has had plenty of time to deliver a pass nobody gets open. Yes there are times when DW4 misses open men but lately he seems to be unable to find anybody open. We have proven weapons at Wr and far too many wasted downs because for whatever reason they are unable to get open. To me it is obvious the offense is stagnated by BO'b and his stubborn pride. I will not pass judgement on DW4 till either BO'b uses him accordingly or someone else does.
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I'm not making DW4 an excuse to retain him. He should be gone after last Sunday. I'm just saying DW4 has plenty of blame to share and there will be no championships regardless of who the HC is with DW4 at QB.
Then they should go ahead and fire BOB so you can find out what I already think. I'm just glad to see somebody come up with a time frame for DW4 like I did for BOB which was 3 yrs before last Sunday's debacle.
The 1st seven games were fools gold.
Defenses have figured out what DW4 likes to do and he/BOB have to adjust.
It's a combination of DW4's strengths not fitting BOB's offense. But even if you used an offense that was best for DW4's strengths his weaknesses wont allow for a championship and you cant improve Accuracy and anticipation. Those are things you are even born with or you aren't.
BTW, was Stills wide open Sunday?
I saw Fells and Duke open many times when they didn't get the ball on Sunday. That's on DW4 not BOB and something else DW4 needs to improve upon regadless of who the next HC is.
All of this really doesn't matter since DW4's going to be here atleast another 5 yrs and the best we can hope for is that he overcomes these things.
How many SB's did he win in those 5 yrs. Accuracy and anticipation are the key traits for championship level QB's regardless of the offense.
eriadoc
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No one forced anyone. It was a choice.
We cant do anything
Only Janice/Cal McNair can.
Only Janice/Cal McNair can.
Carr Bombed
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Just get him wrapped up in a cheating scandal involving trash cans.. that'll do it.
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27 drives of 10 plays or more for the season. That's 1.6 per game and takes into account 7 in one game. Exclude that game and its 1.3 drives per game of 10 or more plays.
Finishing drives …. 12 of those 27 resulted in paydirt. That's 0.75 per game.
A quarter of those 10+ play drives resulting in a TD came in that same KC game , exclude that again and its 0.60 , just over half a drive per game of 10 plays or more resulting in a TD.
Two more of those 10+ play TD drives came in week 17 when you rested a bunch of starters including Watson. Exclude that game and you scored 7 TD's on 10+ play drives for in 14 games , half a drive per game.
Edit - They scored 46 TD's for the season - remove those 2 from the game McCarron started , and the three from the KC game and the 2 defensive scores - that leaves 39 offensive TD's in 14 games , (2.78 per game). 17.9% of those came on drives of 10 plays or more or less than 1 in 5.
That offense is a big play or a busted drive more often than not.
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I chose to work overtime. Apathy sucks
austins23
Hall of Fame
Thanks for doing the math. Math is the main reason I do what I do today for a living. Hate math!
At any rate, that's not a good ratio. They had a bunch of TD's that were 6,7,8 plays long that resulted in TD's. All of them had a long pass completion. But since you were talking about "sustained" drives, I went with 10 plays or more.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They won because of the defense and running game with a little help from the refs. Tuck rule took off after that stuff.
Come on dude anything to put down the youngster as usual. Time to start playing a new song.
That was my contention in the post you originally quoted - Its a big play or nothing more often than not.
I really need to go back and count every drive and see what percentage ended in a TD , FG or giving it up one way or another , punt , turnover , downs. I just don't care to do the actual counting …. I know the outcome isn't going to be favorable to the team.
There is no doubt in my mind about the validity of your post.
I think it's like Tony Dungy in Tampa Bay. He's a good coach, won a SB in Indy, but it was clearly not working in Tampa. That's why a new coach could take that talent and win a Super Bowl championship the next season.
O'Brien could probably be a great coach with the right personnel (if he learned the basics of clock management, of course).
And Watson could be a championship QB with the right coaching (if he learns how to consistently pick up a blitz).
But together? They are clearly not a good fit. O'Brien's scheme is not playing to Watson's strengths.
I'm talking about Brady not DW4. I dont expect DW4 to be as clutch as Brady was his 1st 5 yrs in the NFL. Nobody has been, but dont make Brady out to be some game manager. He's been the ultimate in clutch since he 1st stepped foot on a field in the NFL.
You rely on others to tell you what to think?
Texansballer74
The Marine
You’re missing the point completely. Brady was not clutch earlier in his career. He was tasked to being just a game manager and that’s it.
I understand arguing with certain people you tend to back yourself into positions you never meant to be. You lose the crux of your original argument (which had merit) & you find yourself defending ridiculous statements that you yourself don't believe.
If you know me, you know I've been there.
Tom Brady wasn't always an elite QB in the NFL, but he's always been clutch.
Brady took his team on the last minute drive to win a SB his 1st year starting. I would say that's clutch.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
OBrien has complete operational control of this franchise. The McNairs are like the chinese emperor - a privileged name with money and no control whatsoever. Not one time has Cal McNair or his mommy for that matter addressed the public. OBrien comes out talking bout "well the same dudes that were here last year, will be here next year why wouldnt they?" ... "we get together as a group and make decisions and I have final say so - its awesome!"
there is no hot seat.
there is no hot seat.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Come 'on guys, stop getting rilled up by steelb. Not worth it. This is what he does every season. He finds some detail to harp on and injects it into every thread as the reason why the Texans won't succeed. Remember last season, where it was the poor OL? They invested in the OL, so he needs to find something new to blame.
No blame, just calling it like I see it.
The OL talent greatly improved. The OL coaching didn't, hence the OL was only slightly improved. They need a new OL coach. I nominate Bill Callahan for the job.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man I almost bite the bait again lol. The oline greatly improved but still can’t stop a 3-4 defensive front. They were horrible with picking up these different stunts.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Honestly I would say they did greatly improve, Watson took 44 sacks this year compared to 60+ last year and that was with an extra game played and with Tunsil and Howard both out for multiple games. Also given that Howard was a newly drafted rookie and Tunsil got here a week before the season started I think they will be even better next year maybe even get the sack count down around the 30 marker which is about the best you can do with a mobile/duel threat QB. That's not a knock on Watson just those kind of QBs naturally take more sacks.
I would very much like to see what this line could do with a real Oline coach, I could see them even being a top 10 line if they got that and Tunsil learned not to jump the gun.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This is an article I read awhile back that emphasizes Garoppolo's mechanics, which allows him to get the ball out with lightning speed and be able to be equally successful hitting receivers all over the field while mostly staying in the pocket, but mobile enough to be effective when having to selectively leave it. This is the type of QB that Shanahan looks for in his scheme.
Film room: The good, the bad, and the ugly of Jimmy Garoppolo part 3, mechanics
The final part where we discuss Jimmy G’s mechanics
By Rich Madrid@richjmadrid Sep 8, 2019, 7:30am PDT
austins23
Hall of Fame
Yes sir, and in Shanahan's schemes, guys are running wide open.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Garoppolo routinely throws his receivers open.........turning what would seem like a tightly closing window when watching our games, into a legitimately open receiver for San Fran.
Uncle Rico
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wide. ass. open.
I mean yea sure Emmanuel Sanders and Deebo Samuels are ALL PROS and teams MUST account for them
(LMAO i tried to be serious) obviously the QB talent is head and shoulders above anything else in the league and thats why the TIGHT END is the highest rated receiver in that offense!!!i still marvel at how incredibly dumb and uninformed some of our "OG's" are in this place when trying to find a reason to diminish Watson, pump up OBrien and then make idiotic claims that are ridiculously easy to fact check ... AND THEN they still want to argue the validity of their absurd claims. LOLLL
Its like when people tell "towelie" that he is in fact a towel and everything is rooted in accuracy and fact - and his response?
read this and then ask yourself how OBrien fits into the mold of a "young, progressive" coach.
Shanahan, McVay on NFL’s offensive not-so revolution
The 49ers coach, often partially credited as ushering in this new era of offense in the NFL, points out why it’s actually much less complicated than people think. Also, answering your mail on Jadeveon Clowney, the Patriots, Andrew Luck and more. One week until real football!
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