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TheOgre said:The three biggest rivalries in college football IMO are:
(in no particular order)
Michigan/Ohio State
Texas/OU
Alabama/Auburn
Princeton/Yale and Army/Navy get honorable mention but are not on the list merely because their teams suck every year.
Anyone else that claims their rivalry game is bigger just doesn't know what they are talking about.
LSUTIGER said:You are actually going to throw UT vs. OU as one of the greatest rivalries? That is ridiculous. Look im from Texas, and I am not claiming any of LSU's games as the greatest of rivalries but you shouldnt claim UT OU as one of the top three either. I've been to the red river shootout before and it isnt that impressive. It might be UT's biggest rival cause they get beaten every year, but if you want to go back in history OU's biggest football rival is Nebraska. I will give you the other two even though both Auburn and Alabama are sh** holes, but no way is UT OU up there. Heck your Army vs Navy rivalry in honerable mention is a bigger rival. You cant live in the last 5 years to determine a football rivalry.
Ha i love when people put words in my mouth. I didnt say that the rivalry has been decided in the last four or five years, i said that the hatred has become equally popular between these two teams in the past four or five years, and you cant argue with that, you know why? Because until the late 90's do you think that OU was pointing out the UT game on their schedule as the game of the year? No of course they wern't. Their major game year in and year out until recently has been Nebraska. It is ridiculous to say other wise becuase especially in the 90's NU was the team of the decade.
You are actually going to throw UT vs. OU as one of the greatest rivalries? That is ridiculous. Look im from Texas, and I am not claiming any of LSU's games as the greatest of rivalries but you shouldnt claim UT OU as one of the top three either. I've been to the red river shootout before and it isnt that impressive. It might be UT's biggest rival cause they get beaten every year, but if you want to go back in history OU's biggest football rival is Nebraska. I will give you the other two even though both Auburn and Alabama are sh** holes, but no way is UT OU up there. Heck your Army vs Navy rivalry in honerable mention is a bigger rival. You cant live in the last 5 years to determine a football rivalry.
And here is another dumb comment:
What are we talking about here? are we talking about Montana and ND or are we talking about Montana at San Fran? We are talking about college football so as far as college football is concerned yes he absolutely deserves to be mentioned with those names. He was if not the best, one of the best recievers in USC history. What he does in his pro career has no barring in this conversation.
And how exactly can you "chuckle" at Notre Dame USC being a great rivalry game? That game has 10 times the history that UT vs. OU does. Here is a fact i bet you didn't know. Nike became what it is today because of the USC Notre Dame rivalry. The first Nike shoe was worn and promoted at this game.
If ya come at me with some facts then I will listen to your arguement but if ya come at me again with " But I had to chuckle when you said USC/ND" or "Keyshawn Johnson!? Are you effin' kidding me!? " then im just gonna blast ya again.
Ah my friend. Now you see that is what I am talking about. You presented facts, you gave me links to sites to prove your point, and hell ya even downgraded my intelligence a few times. My hat goes off to you for that last post, however you knew I wasn't going to just sit back and get the last word. So here we go.
First of all I would like to know exactly how I am an outsider? I was born and raised in Texas, have several great friends that go to the University of Texas. I have been to the Red River Shootout on the Texas side. So as far as an outsider, I dont what you are talking about. I go to Louisiana State but you havent heard me throw their name in the hat. I would also like to know where you got.
"As an LSU fan it's not surprising you weren't impressed. What interest would you have in it? I'm pretty sure if I went to the World's Largest Cocktail Party I wouldn't think much of it either." Why exactly do i care about the worlds largest OUTDOOR coctail party? Do you know who plays in that. Ill give ya a hint, it's not LSU.
Here is another point. This whole argument started between us because you agreed with theOGRE who said that the UT vs. OU game is one of the top 3 rivalries in the nation. My question for you is this, how can this be one of the top three rivalries in the nation when it isnt even the best rivalry for that team. I was looking up some facts to throw at you on the internet, such as opinions Americas view of the greatest rivalries in college football, and you know what consitently came up? UT vs. A&M. Over and Over again. you know what I didnt see. Not even one time. OU vs Texas.
Here is a quote since you are so fond of them.
Quote: "I haven't seen anything overshadow it. Both schools have tremendous numbers of alumni within the state who get very excited about this game. The loser has to take a beating all year." --Former Texas coach Darrell Royal.
Need me to explain where I'm going with this one or do you want to call this a draw?And lets think about this for a second. Switzer is being interviewed by a reporter about the game between OU and UT. Ya I defiantely see him saying, you know what that one is good but let me tell you about the one I had against Nebraska. Of course he is going to say how great that game is.
Here is one I found. Can you tell me what #3 is?Here is one of the top 10's I found
Here is another link for rivalries. Hey I see so well, would you tell me what #6 is?
Here is one that I stumbeled across by accident
Let me give you some quotes from that:
Most college football observers--people who have been around the sport for much, if not most, of the 20th century--would probably say that the 1971 Thanksgiving Day classic, won 35-31 by Nebraska in Norman in a battle of #1 versus #2, ranks as the greatest college football game ever played. For nearly two decades after that game, the two teams almost always met with the Big Eight's Orange Bowl bid and a shot at the national title on the line. Tom Osborne and Barry Switzer were sideline fixtures in big games, the same way Bobby Bowden and Steve Spurrier are today.
TRENT SMITH UNCENSORED: "I hate Texas"
By Trent Smith with T. Evans
Date: Oct 9, 2003
I hate Texas. Thats right, I hate them. I always have and always will, because Im a purebred Oklahoma kid. Its just in my blood. Like a lot of Oklahomans, I was raised in a family of Sooner fans, but the only difference was that I was blessed and fortunate enough to get the chance to play for the team of my dreams. Most kids develop a love for their university while playing, but not me. I had it my first day on campus.
Growing up in Clinton, Okla., I idolized Brian Bosworth, Keith Jackson, Jamelle Holieway and Charles Thompson. That carried over to high school, so there was no doubt that Id be a Sooner. But I guess that didnt matter to Texas, because one day, an assistant of theirs showed up unannounced at my high school. When he came and got me out of class that day, I couldnt help but notice that his polo shirt had a Longhorn logo on it. Right then, I knew I wasnt interested, but since I was raised right, I listened to what he had to say. During that conversation, he asked me how I felt about playing for Texas and pointblank to his face, I told him Im a Sooner sir, and I could never play for the University of Texas. A few days later, then-Texas coach John Mackovic called and asked me to reconsider Texas. He told me the eyes of Texas' were on me, so I responded by telling him, Im going to OU, youll see me soon enough. And with that Texas never called me again.
My current roommate, Jarrett Johnson, who played defensive end at Alabama, recently asked me about Oklahoma State, Nebraska and Texas. He wanted to know which of one those schools is our biggest rival. I told him each one is different, because an in-state rivalry is just that, an in-state rivalry, so neither team likes each other, which isnt that big of a deal. As for Nebraska, thats a rivalry formed out of pure respect for tradition and national championships, but Texas is a rivalry born out of pure emotion and hate. Its funny, Texas fans have this acute arrogance about them, because they think everything is bigger and better in Texas. But its not. In fact, thats a joke. As an Oklahoman, Ill never tolerate anybody, especially Texans, talking down to me, because of where Im from.
My first trip to the OU-Texas game as a player came in 1998. I didnt play, because I was redshirting that year and we got our butts kicked 34-3. While I stood on the sidelines that game, Ill never forget how bad the Texas fans wanted to kick us that year. The Texas fans were all drunk, which makes them even more obnoxious. They were throwing stuff at me, so I turned around and fired back with a couple cups of water. That didnt shut them up either, so J.T. Thatcher and I filled up a cup of our own spit and threw it on them. After that game, I kept telling myself to just wait until my class played Texas, because I knew wed raise the sinking ship out of water.
That next year was Coach Stoops first season at OU and somehow Texas managed to beat us 38-28. That game was the first time I can ever remember hearing the Texas fight song, which I thought was kind of cool at first until they chanted Fight, Fight, OU Sucks. That really ticked me off and got under my skin. A couple of weeks later, I was watching them play Texas Tech and they were still saying OU sucks. Thats when I knew this rivalry was a lot bigger than I expected.
Heres the deal about OU-Texas. Just getting to Dallas for the game is tough, because I-35s so packed with cars that we usually have to drive on the shoulder with our police escort. But what most OU fans dont know is that as soon as we cross the Red River and see that Welcome to Texas' sign, everybody on the team makes sure they flip it the bird. I think thats pretty cool, because it shows that everyone is in this thing together.
When you arrive in Dallas, the Texas and Oklahoma fans are either screaming for you or cussing you. Theyre either giving you the number one sign or throwing up the horns at you. And when you get out, all the Texas and Oklahoma fans are pushing each other. As you walk towards the locker room, there are thousands of Oklahoma fans everywhere. Theyre all going nuts. It gives you goosebumps the second you step off that bus and they dont go away the whole game. Its unbelievable. If you could bottle that feeling and sell it, youd be a millionaire.
Let me tell you about The Tunnel' at the Cotton Bowl. Its always hyped up to be this special walk down on to the field, but I was never that impressed with it. Maybe thats because its always filled up with Texas band people and that big cow, Bevo, which really stinks. By the way, whats that supposed to symbolize? At least a Sooner has some type of historical name and value to it. Anyway, every time I walked past Bevo, Id always spit on him.
But the coolest thing about The Tunnel' is when you come out of it, because the OU fans in the top few rows on the tunnel side can see you coming out of the locker room before anyone else can. So when they see us, they get all fired up. Its kind of like the wave, because it starts to echo throughout the stadium. By the time, you get to the field, its deafening. I always threw the horn sign down when I came out and the OU fans would go nuts. It almost makes you cry. Its one of the most religious experiences youll ever have.
After losing to Texas in my first two years, I couldnt wait to play them in 2000. I wanted to destroy them. Hell, I wanted to make them bleed. All I could think about was that group of fans behind me in 1998. I wanted them to be there for this one. And sure enough, the game turned out exactly like I wanted. We smashed them 63-14. Josh (Heupel) had a great game and we were up 7-0 on Texas before ABC even switched to the game. It was great, because we beat them by the same number of points as we beat Baylor (56-7) that year. It was just one of those magic days that Sooner fans dream about. To hand Texas one of their worst losses in school history and the largest loss in the rivalry is special to an OU fan, an OU player, an OU kid and an OU woman. Its so awesome, because you win that game and give the state a smile for 12 more months. I loved it. When you play against Texas, youre not just playing for the team, yourself and the pride of the school, youre playing for an entire state. Even OSU fans root for OU to beat Texas, because they dont like Texas either. Its just not as big of a game for OSU as it is for us.
The 2001 game was another great one. We fought our butts off the whole game. On offense, we couldnt really get much together. We were moving the ball and running time off the clock, but we couldnt seem to get the ball in the end zone. But in the end, it took some good old-fashioned Sooner magic to seal the game. Roy (Williams) jumped like 10 feet in the air over some dude and the ball just kind of fluttered to Teddy (Lehman). Give me a break, that will never happen anywhere else or to any other team. Its always Sooner magic. That whole game was Roy. The state of Oklahoma should have named a holiday for him after the way he played that game.
Ive never been more fired up for any game than I was last season vs. Texas. I got so pumped that when I got off the bus, I threw down my playbook folder and it ripped. I also lost my pen that Id all season. My whole career at OU was like a storybook. I caught a touchdown pass against Texas last season and it winds up on the cover of Sports Illustrated. How much more perfect can it get than that? My career at Oklahoma couldnt have been anymore perfect, unless I got to catch the game-winner against Texas. But Id rather beat them by 11 points like we did last season, then have the game-winning catch against them. Texas is one of those teams you cant score enough points against. Anytime you get a chance to embarrass Texas, I say do it.
After last seasons game, I planted the OU flag at midfield, which was another one of those unforgettable experiences. Then, I ran up into the stands. When I turned around, I noticed that everyone else did too. That was really special, because to spend time with the fans who love and cheer for us is a joy. Its great to let them smell what you smell like, touch the jersey, grab the OU helmet and then watch us hoist it above their head. I dont care about Texas fans, but I love OU fans.
Im not sure that Ill be able to watch this years game. I tried to sit down, chill out and watch the Alabama game this year, but the second it came on, I was a nervous wreck. I think Ill always be like that. I dont think that will ever go away. Ill probably throw up when OU plays Texas this year, because Ill be so nervous for our guys. I want them to play good and beat Texas so bad. The last four years, Ive hand in that and I could do something about it. Now, Ill be a thousand miles away and theres not a single thing I can do to change it. Thatll drive me crazy. Someone will drop a pass or Texas will get the momentum, and I wont be down there on the sidelines to talk to the guys. I wont be able to tell them to relax. Thats someone elses job now. Ive had to pass the torch.
Ive got a message for Texas this year: beat us first, then you can talk. Good luck with that. OU will win again this year. Our players care too much. I dont care what quarterback Texas has this year. Again, theyre overrated this year, just like they are every year. It always seems like they start off number one in a couple of magazines every year, but you know all is right in the world when OU is number one in the polls that count. Im not saying I dont respect Texas, because they have a ton of talent. Thats why its so sweet to beat them, because theyre not a Baylor, Kansas or North Texas. To destroy them every year, just makes us look so much better.
A lot of people ask me about Mack Brown, but Ive never really had an opinion about him. Whenever I thought we were going to hire him after Coach Blake was gone, I was excited, but Im so happy we didnt. He wont take risks like Coach Stoops. He just wont do it. For instance, last year he downed the ball before halftime to run out the clock. Thats something Coach Stoops would never do. Coach Stoops is in it to win it. Thats part of our whole attitude. We reflect our coaches, so Mack Brown wouldnt have fit with us. Coach Stoops doesnt make excuses for his players. When we screw up in a game, were the ones that have to talk to the media about it. We dont shy away from that stuff and Mack does. Dont get me wrong, hes one heck of a coach, but I just think when it comes to playing us, Coach Stoops has a mental edge on him. To put it this way, I hung out with Chris Simms at the NFL Combine in February. Hes a great guy and even Chris had some bad things to say about Mack Brown. His actual words to me at the combine were I just think our coach is scared of your coach. That comes straight from the horses mouth, so theres really nothing else I can say about that.
My final words for Texas fans are these: I told you so. And Ill tell you again, Texas wont beat OU this year. I just wish I could find those fans from my freshman year and show them my national championship ring. How do you like that? I think Brian Bosworth said it best and Ill say it again, Burnt orange makes me puke. Its sick and so is Texas.
So anyway off the topic of Nu vs. OU I would like to adress something else you said. I believe it went something like
"best receivers in USC history"
"Have you any idea of how dumb that sounds? Well, lessee...there's Keyshawn and then there's Mike Williams. That's two."
Well here is another link to show you "how dumb I sound saying that"
This is a link to the top 20 schools that produced the best wide recievers since 1970
I believe you will see that USC ranks number 4 on that list ahead of Ut or OU or about 110 other teams. Please do check that out so you can see some of the other "no names" they have produced. No Names like Lynn Swann and Keary Colbert.
Oh also GREAT Herbstreit quote. I really value his opinion especially since he said WISCONSIN had the greatest student section in all of college football. That guy will kiss the *** of absolutely any school he goes to.
And you are right the Notre Dame rivalry with USC is a great one because of the history of the two programs. But that in itself makes that game great.
Well I am ending with this:
I realise how big the game is to Texas fans because A&M hasnt given them a good game since the bondfire fell so they say OU is their biggest game of the year, and right now it is, but I GUARENTEE you if A&M repeatedly beat UT year in and year out the way UT has for the past decade, the biggest rivalry for UT would be A&M. You know why? Because that game has character. It is the game that decides who is the best team in Texas. I am tired of hearing UT fans say how they dont care about the game in college station but the one they are really worried about is at the Cotton Bowl. In college football every team no matter how good they are hits dry spells. The times will change in the years to come and you will see that A&M gets all of the recruits and UT is left 2nd in Texas. Just like it was in the 80's. When that happens we will see how big the UT OU game is.
I am going to pack now because I am leaving in 6 hours to go watch our biggest rival in Athens