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Full-time Zebras on the Horizon?

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League considering full-time referees, again
February 28, 2017, 7:57 PM EST


The issue of full-time officials has percolated from time to time over the past five years. Indeed, the 2012 labor deal between the league and the NFL Referees Association gave the NFL the right to hire up to 17 full-time officials.

The NFL once again is considering whether to finally follow through on it, via Judy Battista of NFL Media.

So why hasn’t it happened yet? As PFT wrote in December 2016: “The fundamental problem, as it relates to making a part-time, seasonal employee a full-time, year-round employee, is providing the employee with enough compensation to entice the employee to ditch any other employment. Complicating matters is the fact that having other employment gives the official financial security in the event that the officiating assignment evaporates due to poor performance.”

According to the NFL Media report, “full-time referees would be gradually phased in, to give current referees the opportunity to either exit their current careers or to leave the officiating ranks.” Innocuous on the surface, that sentence carries a fairly ominous message: Referees eventually will be expected to pick one job or the other, and those who don’t want to give up more lucrative professions will have to at some point surrender their officiating careers.

The league previously has resisted forcing the best of the best officials to choose one job over the other, tolerating moonlighting because: (1) it’s cheaper to pay an employee on a part-time basis; and (2) having a really good official part of the time is better than having a so-so official all of the time. But the time apparently is coming for some officials to go all in or all out, with the NFL having complete access to them every month of the offseason — and every day of the in-season.

It remains to be seen whether the plan will be finalized. When NFL executive V.P. of football operations Troy Vincent said in November that the league will consider adding 17 full-time officials for 2017, the NFL Referees Association made it clear that the union will have a say regarding the issue.

The issue of full-time officials returned to the front burner several weeks earlier, when Saints coach Sean Payton said during a visit to PFT Live that having part-time officials is “madness.” In the aftermath of those remarks, NFL executive V.P. of football operations Dean Blandino acknowledged that the idea has merit.
 
I don't see this as a bad idea. I always thought they were full time, and I'm shocked they all haven't been. Their jobs are highly important and very critical towards the final result.
 
All the officials should be full time. It's just silly that they are not. Maybe if they weren't concerned with their "day job" all week long they could learn and be more consistent and do their "job" better. Would you trust a doctor/lawyer/teacher/mechanic who only did that job 1 day a week 6 months of the year?
 
They make $205k. What part of that isn't full time other than they get summers off? Don't understand the push for "full time" refs. You think that's going to magically give them better eyesight?
 
I don't have an issue with this, especially since the # of bad calls that have been made
during crucial games, have come under these part time ref's, pay em and get em back
immediately I say
 
I don't have an issue with this, especially since the # of bad calls that have been made
during crucial games, have come under these part time ref's, pay em and get em back
immediately I say

In what world does this theory work? Watch a little more film in summer and your eyesight gets better? They're already paid in the top 3% of people. That's a full time job with a long vacation. Wtf? This whole part time job argument is head up ass.
 
In what world does this theory work? Watch a little more film in summer and your eyesight gets better? They're already paid in the top 3% of people. That's a full time job with a long vacation. Wtf? This whole part time job argument is head up ass.

Yep. Humans being human isn't going to change with a job title.
 
They make $205k. What part of that isn't full time other than they get summers off? Don't understand the push for "full time" refs. You think that's going to magically give them better eyesight?

They all have day jobs during the week and offseason. Hochuli is an attorney as are others. It's not always about the money. Their focus during the week is not on the NFL
 
They all have day jobs during the week and offseason. Hochuli is an attorney as are others. It's not always about the money. Their focus during the week is not on the NFL

All really you know this? They are allowed other jobs. That doesn't mean they have them.

They aren't allowed to make over half their NFL salary. It's a joke as is Hochuli being an attorney. Some have nominal other jobs. Again, what does "full time" gain you?
 
All really you know this? They are allowed other jobs. That doesn't mean they have them.

They aren't allowed to make over half their NFL salary. It's a joke as is Hochuli being an attorney. Some have nominal other jobs. Again, what does "full time" gain you?

I think you're just looking at the top referees and not all officials. I'm not sure what full time would gain you other than the back judge not worrying about his dental practice mon thru thurs and worrying about the nfl instead.

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Mr. Hochuli has been a Partner with Jones, Skelton & Hochuli since it was founded in 1983. During that time, he has tried well over 150 civil jury trials to verdict. Mr. Hochuli concentrates his practice on professional liability defense, products defense, retail defense and transportation defense. He is a member of the Federation of Defense and Corporate Counsel and is an advocate member of the American Board of Trial Advocates. He is also a member of the board of directors and executive committee of the USLAW Network. In his free time, Mr. Hochuli moonlights as a Referee in the National Football League.

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And 20 at the gym if you believe him. It's BS. There isn't a lawyer in Texas that's tried 150 cases in that time period. Well unless they are traffic cases.

You can be the most pugilistic ahole (god knows I've tried) and push 2-3 cases to trial per year (of any serious sort). I quit my 1st job because I only got 7 jury trials in the 1st 3 years. It's pushing a rope. Damn insurance companies settle. Only time you get to try them is when they're self-insured.
 
MARK S. HITTNER
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Mark was born and raised in Boonville, Missouri, and attended college at Pittsburg State University where he lettered four years on the football team and three years on the golf team. He graduated with a degree in Business Administration and a double major in Accounting and Economics.

Mark has been working with individuals and families for the past 20 years in the areas of insurance and investments.

Mark is very active at St Gabriels Catholic Church and he is also a member of the Gladstone Chamber of Commerce. For 24 weekends a year Mark works as an on field football official in the National Football League.

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For 24 weekends a year Mark works as an on field football official in the National Football League.

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And makes $205k for 24 weekends. Am I supposed to feel sad for him?

You already said you didn't know what making them "full time" would do. What's the point?

And yes Hochuli is a pet peeve. He's a glam dog. He also refs to the Vegas favorite. I say that as a Cowboys fan that got most of the calls.
 
And makes $205k for 24 weekends. Am I supposed to feel sad for him?

You already said you didn't know what making them "full time" would do. What's the point?

And yes Hochuli is a pet peeve. He's a glam dog. He also refs to the Vegas favorite. I say that as a Cowboys fan that got most of the calls.

Mark is a side judge. Don't know what he makes. My point is that these guys do not spend all their time being the best they can be at officiating for the NFL. Perhaps having full time refs for that kind of money would improve that officiating
 
Mark is a side judge. Don't know what he makes. My point is that these guys do not spend all their time being the best they can be at officiating for the NFL. Perhaps having full time refs for that kind of money would improve that officiating

But what's to do, have a 5 year old roll a ball at them and spot it? Yes I'm being silly but really they almost never get the rule wrong. It's judgment calls. Was there helmet to helmet, did he step out of bounds, etc. I just don't see where that gets practiced.
 
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But what's to do, have a 5 year old roll a ball at them and spot it? Yes I'm being silly but really they almost never get the rule wrong. It's judgment calls. Was there helmet to helmet, did he step out of bounds, etc. I just don't see where that gets practiced.

I think maybe learning the players better and watching more film, understanding and defining the rules would be a good start
 
Found this interesting:

NFL referees are not full-time officials, and are restricted to making less than 50% of their annual earnings from refereeing NFL games. However, many of the NFL referees are professionals making much more than $100,000 per year from their "day jobs", so they are very well paid part-time officials.
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