Front office myopia

[kfranco_utexas]

Also I'd rather watch the Raiders vs Arizona than the University of Texas vs. Rice University. Please. Every game counts. You make me laugh.

There is a ton of games going on at the same time in college football. You don't have to watch TX vs. Rice, but you can watch (fill in blank)_________.

 

[kfranco_utexas]

You have no idea what your talkin about Franco.. You dont like the guy ok, but dont just spit out BS. The first series carr was butt hurt obviously and then he did help Sage out the rest of the games. Maybe if you read the articles on the day other than just come here and complain how you "see him at some restaurant and dont think he's a guy you want to hang out with"... haha ok we get it you dont like him.. the fact is the guy is a model player. More players should act like the guy.. He is a christian, family guy, who does a lot for his community and never brought negative attention to the franchise with offfield activities like some many others players do these days.....

True Story.

Sorry, I lost a lot of respect for the guy when I asked him for an autograph and he tried to charge me.

Apparently earning millions is not enough.

 

[kfranco_utexas]

Atleast the 1-3 team has a chance to win out and get a championship in the NFL. Once a team has 3 losses in college football their chances of a championship are over.

Can't forget about a bowl game now.

 

[Texanfan4ever]

You have no idea what your talkin about Franco.. You dont like the guy ok... but dont just spit out stuff thats not true just to try and make some point. The first series carr was butt hurt obviously and then he did help Sage out the rest of the game, in between series. Maybe if you read the articles on the day other than just come here and complain how you "see him at some restaurant and dont think he's a guy you want to hang out with"... haha ok we get it, you dont like him.. the fact is the guy is a model player. More players should act like the guy.. He is a christian, family guy, who does a lot for his community and never brought negative attention to the franchise with offfield activities like some many others players do these days.....

RIght on, I agree with you, but get ready to duck. You are fixin to get it!!!

 

[Cgold]

Well, I don't believe it at all..but who knows... again after all the charities and autograph sessions and hes going to charge you..I dont buy it....and why did you even go ask for the autograph of a player you like to come here and badmouth..

 

[Cgold]

That's ok "texanfan" i wouldnt doubt it.. if people have problem with his play and dont want him as the qb, ok....thats fine...
It's different to me when you attack the guy personally..about someone you have no idea about, and appears to be a class guy...come on...
the carr hatred never ends...can we atleast keep it on the field...

 

[kfranco_utexas]

Well, I don't believe it at all..but who knows... again after all the charities and autograph sessions and hes going to charge you..I dont buy it....and why did you even go ask for the autograph of a player you like to come here and badmouth..

Why would I lie?
I actually did like him at the beginning (I even bought his jersey). After that day, it all changed. He showed his true colors.
:brickwall
I still love the team, I just dont like him.
You have no idea how much I would love the Texans to become a successful franchise.

I'd even (gulp) have my Longhorns lose to Aggy's in Austin.

 

[Texanfan4ever]

That's ok "texanfan" i wouldnt doubt it.. if people have problem with his play and dont want him as the qb, ok....thats fine...
It's different to me when you attack the guy personally..about someone you have no idea about, and appears to be a class guy...come on...
the carr hatred never ends...can we atleast keep it on the field...

It never ends. We have 2 types here that will NEVER agree for long, the Carr haters, and the Carr lovers. I guess you could make that three if you added Vince lovers but they are usually in the Carr hater group.

 

[Cgold]

Well we can agree on one thing atleast.. go texans

 

[kfranco_utexas]

Well we can agree on one thing atleast.. go texans

Agreed.

 

[dantem]

What was impressive was that Vince didn't turn the ball over and successfully managed the game.

If Carr had the football smart, pocket presence, quick-release of Peyton Manning....gods know what he would be able to do....

Vince did not manage the game, he hardly played and he had as many bad passes as good ones, his performance was average to poor if you compare him to NFL Quarterbacks . Packman Jones managed that game. And Carrs turnovers gave them a win that was not earned.

Sorry, that game was not won it was lost.

 

[kfranco_utexas]

Vince did not manage the game, he hardly played and he had as many bad passes as good ones, his performance was average to poor if you compare him to NFL Quarterbacks . Packman Jones managed that game. And Carrs turnovers gave them a win that was not earned.

Sorry, that game was not won it was lost.

Yes, the Texans shot themselves in the foot. It was difficult to watch, I kept hoping for them to come back and win the game, but like Aggy says (We just ran out of time), it is true in this case.

 

[kfranco_utexas]

I apologize to anyone I may have insulted.
Since I got a comment stating:"jackass" from someone on my reputation.

 

[run-david-run]

The Longhorns were still winning 10 games a season even though Mack couldn't beat Stoops on a 5 year or so string.

There is no comparison to the Texans now and when the Longhorns couldn't beat Oklahoma for that one stretch.

One player put Texas over the hump and has brought the Texas program to where it is expected to be. Ummm... the Texans passed on that player to keep Carr....

And draft a DE with the potential to be great, just that I'd throw that in...

 

[Sarg01]

That offensive line did produce a 100+ yard rusher and kept Sage from getting sacked, though. They can't be all that horrible.

I'm just sayin'....

So why was VanDeKamp all over Carr? He got two sacks, had two more nullified by penalties and was in Carr's face all day long.

Either #1 the OL had a motivation problem which was fixed when they saw coach in a benching mood or #2 Titans changed to a more passive defensive style.

 

[Nighthawk]

Funny how we absolutely never see or hear from you Nighthawk unless Carr has a bad game. For a fan of the David Texans, you sure seem selective about your post topics.

I'll tell you why and I won't try to hide behind some politically correct (footbally correct) BS.

I think Carr is the MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS FRANCHISE AND THAT HE HAS BEEN THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR FOUR YEARS.

I think that UNTIL WE DUMP CARR WE'RE GOING NOWHERE, WE'RE GOING TO WIN VERY LITTLE.

I think that CARR IS HOLDING THE TEAM BACK.

I think HE HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.

I think CARR IS A MISTAKE THAT THE FRONT OFFICE MADE AND CAN"T GIVE UP ON.

I think a lot of other things about a lot of other folks on the team, but none of those things or those players are preventing the team from growing into a reasonable facsimile of an NFL team.

I think CARR IS POISON.

I hope this helps to make my position clear.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I'll tell you why and I won't try to hide behind some politically correct (footbally correct) BS.

I think Carr is the MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS FRANCHISE AND THAT HE HAS BEEN THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR FOUR YEARS.

I think that UNTIL WE DUMP CARR WE'RE GOING NOWHERE, WE'RE GOING TO WIN VERY LITTLE.

I think that CARR IS HOLDING THE TEAM BACK.

I think HE HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.

I think CARR IS A MISTAKE THAT THE FRONT OFFICE MADE AND CAN"T GIVE UP ON.

I think a lot of other things about a lot of other folks on the team, but none of those things or those players are preventing the team from growing into a reasonable facsimile of an NFL team.

I think CARR IS POISON.

I hope this helps to make my position clear.

Yep, but he is a Texan. A well paid one at that.

The coach is on top of the situation and the accountability of the QB play rests on his shoulders. Never before have we been where we are. Quite an exciting time in my opinion.

 

[Nighthawk]

Those 87 passing yards vince has were impressive...

No. But his team's W was impressive, wasn't it? Or do you prefer to have a pretty-boy QB and lots of Ls, cause that's what we've got.

VY is only another rookie who routinely outplays our 4 1/2 year veteran number one draft choice 50 million dollar guy.

 

[Sarg01]

I'll tell you why and I won't try to hide behind some politically correct (footbally correct) BS.

I think Carr is the MAIN PROBLEM WITH THIS FRANCHISE AND THAT HE HAS BEEN THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR FOUR YEARS.

Wow, are you serious? Not secondary or pass protection or lack of targets in past seasons? Not Dom Capers? Not Casserly's trades/FA signings?

You have a right to your opinion - it's just we're not only not on the same page, I'm not certain we're in the same library.

 

[GP]

So why was VanDeKamp all over Carr? He got two sacks, had two more nullified by penalties and was in Carr's face all day long.

Either #1 the OL had a motivation problem which was fixed when they saw coach in a benching mood or #2 Titans changed to a more passive defensive style.

I go with No. 1 because I already went No. 2 a few hours ago (get it?).

Seriously though, there WAS (In my opinion) a huge motivational factor when Carr was benched in terms of the o line picking up the slack. Never before has the o line seen a backup Qb come into the game for anything otherthan an injury to David.

Thus, if Sage gets rag-dolled all over the place...the stench gets sniffed out over in the area of the o line. It's suddenly the o line's fault that the defense is rolling over our offense.

So you have a self-preservation situation out there for the o line. It's an "Oh crap, I better protect the replacement QB or Kubiak will cut my rear" thought balloon that's over the o line's head when they see Sage coming onto the field.

O linemen get to suck and it's OK. Pro Bowl receivers get to suck and it's an "Oh well...." response, no benching of our valued and treasured WR since this is the first time he's had stone hands on well-placed passes, right? After all, he sulks on the bench and is clearrrrrrrrrrly upset enough with himself that no coach needs to bench him for it, right?

I'm an "equal benching opportunity" guy. And while we're at it, bench the punter who can't directional kick and try and pin a fairly good return man against one of the sidelines. And let's not even go to the fact that he punted a line drive with no hang time on it. Thanks, Chad. In the famous words of Tom Green in Charlie's Angels "Was it the Chad? It was the Chad wasn't it? IT'S THE CHAD....IT'S...THE CHAD......"

 

[GP]

No. But his team's W was impressive, wasn't it? Or do you prefer to have a pretty-boy QB and lots of Ls, cause that's what we've got.

VY is only another rookie who routinely outplays our 4 1/2 year veteran number one draft choice 50 million dollar guy.

This is where you uncover your real motivation for your anti-Carr beliefs.

1. You call him a pretty boy, which obviously points to a belief you must have that he's a fake or a phoney or that he's only a poster child at best.

2. You have anointed VY as someone who "routinely outplays" Carr when VY has been in how many NFL games? Guess what: Carr beat the Cowboys in his FIRST start, on one of themost highly rated/watched NFL games in history. A few things happened after that, namely Dom's inability to coach well, and give Vy the same timeframe to see where's at. I predict major injury and when his legs are gone, that's the end of VY. It's Randall Cunningham all over again...except NFL defenses are a lot faster and a lot more adept at stopping a running QB these days.

You hate Carr. You like VY. It's simple math for the rest of us: You have a vested interest in seeing Carr fail, and so you delight in it when he does.

 

[underdog65]

David doesnt look like the guy who would do this. I worked at Pappasitos by Reliant and he never looked like the type of guy who you'd want to hang out with. Just m.o

Just look at him when he got benched. All he did was grab his neck collar. He could have at least talked to Sage and given him some type of encouragement. Sorry, all you David fans, but he IS NOT a leader. My boy Vince is. He is a natural born leader.Period.

Didn't Bledsoe do the same thing when he was benched and I don't think anyone has ever said that Bledsoe wasn't a leader and a team guy

 

[GP]

A QB gets benched and he's supposed to go over and play nice with the backup?

Sorry, I disagree with that idea.

Two people apologized after the loss, and only one of them really needed to (Hint: His name starts with an "S" ends with an "M" and has the letters alaa in the middle).

Even one of the other o linemen on our team reportedly (by another poster's account of the story) said that a few of the linemen needed to apologize for their effort.

They played stupid for one guy, and then they picked up their play when they knew they were suddenly under the microscope with David out. Period.

It's human nature to go into a self-preservation mode like our o line did. And at leats one of or linemen had the guts to speak out and say so. He could have played stupid, but he was honest about it.

 

[southtexan]

I don't know how longer I can endure with this franchise. I cant stand losing, losing is not in my vocabulary. The Longhorns have spoiled me. I am starting to believe that Colt McCoy is a better fit for the Texans.

I suppose that none of us that consider ourselves Texans fans like it the losing part of the business. I'm going to see this team win (in a couple of years I hope), and we'll live happily ever after.

 

[Texanfan4ever]

First off, why would anyone still be using the "Carr thinks he is a pretty boy" excuse? That is the most ridiculous argument I have heard. Any man that uses that is at the very least jealous.

Carr has never shown any signs or done anything to make anyone believe he even cared what he looked like. And don't even go back to the hair cutting deal, that was insignificant.

Carr wants to win. That is why he is still here fighting, after being thrown around for 4 years, due to extremely bad coaching, and trying to follow lovely Coach Capers rules. He might have ruined him. I hope Kubes can pull him out of it.

Pretty boy???? Get over it.

 

[Nbkan]

Hell...he played better with longer hair. Maybe he should grow it again. j/k I couldn't resist. I am tired and I am grasping at straws.

 

[Sco-tai]

I say: four and a half years is more than enough chance. I say: this is approaching a sickness.

I hear the RAIDERS and/or TITANS need to fill some seats...go cheer for them.

Let our front office handle this. :brickwall

Let's face it, if Kubiak pulled him once, he'll do it again. And the next time, I doubt he'll get the keys back so quickly. I have confidence in this coaching staff. But since you don't...go elsewhere, bro.

 

[disaacks3]

Just look at him when he got benched. All he did was grab his neck collar. He could have at least talked to Sage and given him some type of encouragement. Sorry, all you David fans, but he IS NOT a leader. My boy Vince is. He is a natural born leader.Period.

A leader he may be, but not by example. VY isn't fit to hold DC's jock in a passing contest, and if you'd remove those burnt-orange glasses for a sec., you'd see that. Compare DC's first NFL start and VY's...get back to me when you've recovered from the embarassment....I'm pretty sure they were against the same team...

As much as I dislike "McLame", even he noted that anybody expecting a benched QB to be a rah-rah guy for his replacement the rest of the game is nuts. Note to those who catch on slowly: It was SUPPOSED to be a wake-up call to DC, he WASN'T supposed to be thrilled about it.

 

[Texanfan4ever]

Hell...he played better with longer hair. Maybe he should grow it again. j/k I couldn't resist. I am tired and I am grasping at straws.

You are forgiven. Grasping is understandable.

 

[Aztequila]

All, or most of all, are extremely good points that people bring up. I was shocked as hell to see Sage Rosenfels come in and do a great job, after seeing the Bledsoe ordeal with the cowboys, I thought that this might be it for Carr, and was upset, and not just because I played him in fantasy this week. But anyway, I think Carr has earned the right to keep his position as the starting QB at least until the end of the year. He got the shiet kicked out him for years on this team. The least we can give him is this year, I mean are we really going to go to the post season? The best I am hoping for is a 7-9 record. That won't cut it in the AFC, or NFC for that matter. I have said it before, I believe that DC can be great QB. We just have to let him finish it out and see what this season makes out of him.

 

[yourfavoritetexan42]

It was a good move because david seemed like "well there goes my o line... so I am just going to be quiet and cruise to a loss and everyone will know that my o line sucks"

We needed to stop that. Even though it is the case, we don't want him to have that mentality. When he comes in against hte Giants on sunday, I GUARANTEE you will see a fired up David Carr who won't let crap slide like he would in the past, because his job is on the line.

 

[real]

When he comes in against hte Giants on sunday, I GUARANTEE you will see a fired up David Carr who won't let crap slide like he would in the past, because his job is on the line.

I hope he doesn't do that...He souuldn't put all his emotions out there like that because if something goes wrong it will be deflating...When you live on highs and lows like that things tend to not go well...

I think the best thing for him to do is be himself....Come out relaxed and forget about all the pressure and forget about the past week.....

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Sorry to break this to you but I never followed UT until I started college. I went 2-2 vs Ou
and most likely will go 4-0 against aggy.

I think that pretty much sums it up. Lack of perspective. Whenever I think of the Longhorns, I think of a team that USED to be great but was bad for a while and chokes in big games. A couple of years won't change that impression.

Hell, I can remember when the Coogs were a consistently good team. That's a loooooong time ago.

 

[Vinny]

A leader he may be, but not by example. VY isn't fit to hold DC's jock in a passing contest, and if you'd remove those burnt-orange glasses for a sec., you'd see that.

Neither one of them could touch Jeff George either...but what exactly does that mean? Nothing. Just because you are a prototype doesn't mean you are a great player. The Titans didn't win a game till VY took over. His team almost beat the Colts and are 2-2 since he took over...same line, same defense...same possum headed owner. The only difference is Vince Young. Making a first down on 3rd downs or producing a clutch play in key moments sure helps a team to win a game here and there.....at least people think this outside of Houston.

How far did I expect him to go at this point? A long way because the quicker he grows up and the quicker he becomes a great player then the faster this football team can become a good, solid football team. So we have a ways to go. He’s not there yet, none of us are there.

I think good quarterbacking is more important than good pitching in baseball. I mean, you can win some games with mediocre pitching but you can't be a winner..and Kubiak pretty much says that teams go as the QB goes in football in earlier quotes. After 4 years and a half Carr still has a long way to go? Uh, yeah but so does Jeff George. Just because you are a physical prototype doesn't mean it makes you a good QB. Many, many of our fans can't see the difference...that is incredibly frustrating, but I've about gotten beat down enough by them...I don't get into it as much...most people just exaggerate my argument or straw man me....so I just throw in little quips here and there now instead of argue my case...but I had to throw this down...this thread has some amazing takes.

 

[phan1]

I don't agree that Kubiak is being "soft" with Carr. We wouldn't even be so hard on Carr if he wasn't benched in the 1st place!!! Is he getting a double standard? Of course, he's our #1 pick! Do you want to bench our #1 pick just because he had 1 bad game?!? Do you not even want to give our biggest financial investment a chance to respond?!? Trust me, if Sage is clearly the better man for this team, he'll get the job in due time. Until then, it's not like we're making a playoff run anytime soon.

Sorry, I guess we should have benched Mario for Kalu (the better player at that moment) after he sucked against the Eagles.

 

[Double Barrel]

Even one of the other o linemen on our team reportedly (by another poster's account of the story) said that a few of the linemen needed to apologize for their effort.

They played stupid for one guy, and then they picked up their play when they knew they were suddenly under the microscope with David out. Period.

It's human nature to go into a self-preservation mode like our o line did. And at leats one of or linemen had the guts to speak out and say so. He could have played stupid, but he was honest about it.

I like you gpshafer, but I have to respectfully disagree on some levels.

Sage just looked like a better QB on Sunday, regardless if the line "played better" or whatever. There were several plays where Rosenfel stepped up into the pocket to avoid a potential sack. Those same plays would have been sacks if Carr had still been in the game.

Sage made reads, checked down his receivers, and bought time while plays developed. Carr looked horrible on Sunday, and regardless if people want to blame the line, the simple fact is that our starting QB came out flat, uninspired, and layed an egg. Basically, he choked for a game that seemed 'big' in many Houston fans' perspectives. Sage had nothing to lose, and he played like it.

There is enough blame to go around, but it starts with Carr on this one.

 

[disaacks3]

Neither one of them could touch Jeff George either...but what exactly does that mean? Nothing. Just because you are a prototype doesn't mean you are a great player. The Titans didn't win a game till VY took over. His team almost beat the Colts and are 2-2 since he took over...same line, same defense...same possum headed owner. The only difference is Vince Young. Making a first down on 3rd downs or producing a clutch play in key moments sure helps a team to win a game here and there.....at least people think this outside of Houston.

Hey, I'm all for winning the games too, but saying VY is in any way responsible for the Punt Return & Carr fumble TD's is ridiculous. QB's in the NFL are expected to pass the ball, it's that simple. Had Richard Smith not elected the blitz on Vince's running TD, the percentages were with us in coverage...and we're a sub-par defensive secondary at best. Plenty of people, (including the announcing crew) outside of Houston could see THAT as well.

VY definitely didn't LOSE the game for his team, but to say he WON it for them is a stretch. 14 points isn't exactly a breakout game against the Texans. Was it better than Carr's performance for the day? Accuracy wise, it wasn't, but the "W" is more important than individual stats. I seriously doubt that VY will EVER be as good a passer as Carr, nor will Carr be as good a scrambler as VY. History favors the better passer though; in stats, in wins and in playoff results.

I want BOTH teams to succeed, it'll make the victories down the road all that more sweet. I don't really care WHO we've got at QB, if he can move the team effectively. On Sunday, that was Sage Rosenfels.

 

[AustinJB]

Sorry, I guess we should have benched Mario for Kalu (the better player at that moment) after he sucked against the Eagles.

If after 4+ years Mario is not better than Kalu (or whoever else we have) then your D@$% right we should bench him!! Play the best player!!

 

[GP]

I like you gpshafer, but I have to respectfully disagree on some levels.

Sage just looked like a better QB on Sunday, regardless if the line "played better" or whatever. There were several plays where Rosenfel stepped up into the pocket to avoid a potential sack. Those same plays would have been sacks if Carr had still been in the game.

Sage made reads, checked down his receivers, and bought time while plays developed. Carr looked horrible on Sunday, and regardless if people want to blame the line, the simple fact is that our starting QB came out flat, uninspired, and layed an egg. Basically, he choked for a game that seemed 'big' in many Houston fans' perspectives. Sage had nothing to lose, and he played like it.
There is enough blame to go around, but it starts with Carr on this one.

A couple of ways of looking at expanding on your statement that I bolded up there:

1. Maybe Sage has been a gypsie for so long that he DOES play like there's no tomorrow...maybe he plays like there's nothing to lose because there isn't anything for him to lose. On the other hand, there's everything for Carr to lose: The starting job, his pride, being a No. 1 draft pick bust, etc.

2. Maybe Carr NEEDS to be a gypsie for a little bit. It's no seceret that he's always been "The Man" and that he's never had the keys taken from him...but perhaps this is the beginning of a very real and true maturing process that Dom Capers was never smart enough or man enough to make happen?

Either way, there's a heckuva' lot of pressure on David's shoulders...and not much on Sage's if you ask me.

Unless, of course, Sage DOES become the starter. Then, he inherits the same thing: A starting position to lose, his pride, etc.

Being QB in the NFL is not the best job to have if you ask me.

 

[real]

1. Maybe Sage has been a gypsie for so long that he DOES play like there's no tomorrow...maybe he plays like there's nothing to lose because there isn't anything for him to lose. On the other hand, there's everything for Carr to lose: The starting job, his pride, being a No. 1 draft pick bust, etc..

Sage may not have as much "to lose" as Carr, but to say he has "nothing" to lose IMO, is a little short of the truth...

It's not like Sage can just go in and stink it up, and no one will give a hoot...This is his career so, yeah...he does have something to lose...

 

[Big J]

Carr is not the best player. Sage showed us that.[/QUOTE

Way to analyze Sage's good performance against one of Carr's worst performances ever. I swear to god if you bring up Sage's preseason performance you should just stop coming to this board.

If Sage does that week in and week out I would agree. To bad for you it wont happen because its Carr's job and it will be for years to come. Get off it.

 

[thunderkyss]

Carr played poorly against Dallas and now the Titans. He's played well against Jacksonville. He's played decently against our other four opponents. I can't fathom how some of you seem to lay awake at night with such a burning desire to see him replaced.

NOt exactly......

David fumbled the ball three times against Indy. Two of the three led directly to 10 points. But since Manning was having a field day against our defense(like we knew he would).... everybody complained about the defense.

David fumbled the ball three times against Washington.. I believe we lost one, that resulted in a field goal..... sure we were already down by 21 points or so.... we were so upset with our defense, we forgot Davids fumbles...... (one we can clearly blame on the center)

David fumbled twice in the Miami game..... both, I think were strips.. but we had no running game whatsoever, so we focused our attention on our running game anyway.

David threw two Ints againsst Dallas... one, definitely not his fault, and I'd like to see him make more passes like that one(the BradieJames tip).... the second...... it was the old David staring down his reciever.. again, we went against one of the top 2 defenses against the run(at that time) our running game was anemic, so we concentrated on ragging on RonDayne.

David did not mess up in the Jax game..... our defense pitched a shut out in the first half, came out flat in the third, then put the lock down on Jacksonville..... forcing turnovers, putting David in short field situations, and our running game showed up(against a team that gave up 93 ypg(at that time)). We were feeling pretty good for a week, all we did was tear down RonDayne during this time.

Tennesse...... David fumbles twice, one leading to a score with 8 seconds left in the half(sounds like a bad movie doesn't it??). Neither were strips, he just coughed them up.

David played just as decently against Tennessee as he has in 4 of the other 6 games we played. He did not mess up in 2 of the 7 games he has played this year.

They played stupid for one guy, and then they picked up their play when they knew they were suddenly under the microscope with David out. Period.

It's human nature to go into a self-preservation mode like our o line did. And at leats one of or linemen had the guts to speak out and say so. He could have played stupid, but he was honest about it.

Did you watch the game?? Weigart & Salaam were still getting beat, that's not why Sage wasn't sacked. As a matter of fact, Weigart, Salaam, and Flanagan got beat(I wonder how Flanagan has remained spotless through all this) and Sage did his best to get away from that rush, but was tackled for a one yard gain(it was really a sack, but he managed to be on the LOS, and not behind it) but since there was an offsides penalty, it doesn't count as anything.. it was a free play.

But on most of Sage's pass attempts, those same guys were still getting beat. The Deffensive linemen just weren't getting their reward. Actually, they were getting punished.