For all of the Carr haters...

[texan279]

Here are David's numbers for his first three years compared to other QB's, not too shabby.


David Carr '02-'04

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2002 hou | 16 | 233 444 52.5 2592 5.8 9 15 | 59 282 3 |
| 2003 hou | 12 | 167 295 56.6 2013 6.8 9 13 | 27 151 2 |
| 2004 hou | 16 | 286 467 61.2 3539 7.6 16 14 | 72 303 0 |

John Elway '83-'85

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1983 den | 11 | 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 | 28 146 1 |
| 1984 den | 15 | 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 18 15 | 56 237 1 |
| 1985 den | 16 | 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 | 51 253 0 |

Terry Bradshaw '70-'72

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1970 pit | 13 | 83 218 38.1 1410 6.5 6 24 | 32 233 1 |
| 1971 pit | 14 | 203 373 54.4 2259 6.1 13 22 | 53 247 5 |
| 1972 pit | 14 | 147 308 47.7 1887 6.1 12 12 | 58 346 7 |

Randall Cunningham '85-'87

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1985 phi | 6 | 34 81 42.0 548 6.8 1 8 | 29 205 0 |
| 1986 phi | 15 | 111 209 53.1 1391 6.7 8 7 | 66 540 5 |
| 1987 phi | 12 | 223 406 54.9 2786 6.9 23 12 | 76 505 3 |

Troy Aikman '89-'91

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1989 dal | 11 | 155 293 52.9 1749 6.0 9 18 | 38 302 0 |
| 1990 dal | 15 | 226 399 56.6 2579 6.5 11 18 | 40 172 1 |
| 1991 dal | 12 | 237 363 65.3 2754 7.6 11 10 | 16 5 1 |

Steve McNair '95-'97

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1995 hou | 6 | 41 80 51.2 569 7.1 3 1 | 11 38 0 |
| 1996 hou | 10 | 88 143 61.5 1197 8.4 6 4 | 31 169 2 |
| 1997 ten | 16 | 216 415 52.0 2665 6.4 14 13 | 101 674 8 |

Warren Moon '84-'86

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1984 hou | 16 | 259 450 57.6 3338 7.4 12 14 | 58 211 1 |
| 1985 hou | 14 | 200 377 53.1 2709 7.2 15 19 | 39 130 0 |
| 1986 hou | 15 | 256 488 52.5 3489 7.1 13 26 | 42 157 2 |

Joe Namath '65-'67

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1965 nyj | 13 | 164 340 48.2 2220 6.5 18 15 | 8 19 0 |
| 1966 nyj | 14 | 232 471 49.3 3379 7.2 19 27 | 6 42 2 |
| 1967 nyj | 14 | 258 491 52.5 4007 8.2 26 28 | 6 14 0 |

Phil Simms '79-'81

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1979 nyg | 12 | 134 265 50.6 1743 6.6 13 14 | 29 166 1 |
| 1980 nyg | 13 | 193 402 48.0 2321 5.8 15 19 | 36 190 1 |
| 1981 nyg | 10 | 172 316 54.4 2031 6.4 11 9 | 19 42 0 |

Fran Tarkenton '61-'63

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1961 min | 14 | 157 280 56.1 1997 7.1 18 17 | 56 308 5 |
| 1962 min | 14 | 163 329 49.5 2595 7.9 22 25 | 41 361 2 |
| 1963 min | 14 | 170 297 57.2 2311 7.8 15 15 | 28 162 1 |

Steve Young '85-'87

| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1985 tam | 5 | 72 138 52.2 935 6.8 3 8 | 40 233 1 |
| 1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8 13 | 74 425 5 |
| 1987 sfo | 8 | 37 69 53.6 570 8.3 10 0 | 26 190 1 |

 

[the wonger need food]

I haven't seen anyone state that they hate Carr. He's a decent guy and a decent QB, but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized.

All of you guys with the man-crush need to get over it.

 

[texansfan88]

man, i used to have respect for you honger, you've blown it all with your blowups the last two weeks

 

[texan279]

It's not a man crush, I just can't stand it when people think we should be in the Super Bowl already and we should be sending half of our starters to Hawaii. David Carr is in his 3rd year, young players take time to develop and there are some here calling for his head. When you start an expansion team that is built mostly around your drafted players, it is going to take some time to develop a strong winning team, it's not an overnight thing. Anyways back to my point, Carr will be fine next year, you can't just take your first pick in history who is making millions, who has been learning the offense, learning our system, playing behind one of the worst pass blocking units, running for his life, and burn him at the stake just because the team went 7-9 in their 3rd year and lost their last game to the Browns.

He's a decent guy and a decent QB, but that doesn't mean he can't be criticized.

At least give him a chance to play behind an at least average O line before you criticize him. You cannot expect him to play behind this O line and expect him to put up Manning like numbers. I mean he is 12th in the NFL in passer rating even behind this O line.

 

[TEXANS84]

man, i used to have respect for you honger, you've blown it all with your blowups the last two weeks

Agreed.

I'd like to see Peyton Manning with our o-line.

 

[the wonger need food]

TexansFan88, you hurt my heart.

 

[Anishin]

Nice breakdown Texan279, that had to take some work.

 

[texan279]

Thanks, I did it because I am tired of all of the hate directed at Carr. The man has not really had a chance to show us what he has yet and some people want him benched already. It is unreal.

 

[Anishin]

Thanks, I did it because I am tired of all of the hate directed at Carr. The man has not really had a chance to show us what he has yet and some people want him benched already. It is unreal.

The team will grow, and he will grow with them. Heck we didn't know what we had here, Fresno beat Colorado to pretty much start it all. Most of us were like, Carr looked pretty good. The by the end of the season I think most of us were amazed by him, even those who didn't see him coming, or didn't want to see.

In the end it's all about the wins that we need to win everybody over, and those will come. He's an aggressive QB and needs to be let lose like that, he's not a game manager and not a dink and dunker. For me the offense just isn't aggressive enough, calling screens on 3rd and 6 just about sets me off everytime, but then there is probably a reason I'm posting on a message board and not designing offenses.

 

[texan279]

For me the offense just isn't aggressive enough

I think our playcalling on both sides is not aggressive enough, sometimes. I remember a few games this year when the defense would blitz in a game and the offense would open up the playbook, and it seemed to work, but somewhow we always ended up back to the smae old same old. But now that I think about it, I think the playcalling was kind of conservative on both sides due to the amount of rookies we had starting on defense (3 defensive rookies started for us in the last 2 games, most rookies to start for a team on defense, only 14 rookies started on defense in the entire NFL in the entire season), and on the offensive side my opinion is the conservative playcalling was due to the O line learning the zone blocking. Just my opinion, I am no coach or expert, but no matter what I support my Texans 110% all the way no matter what, just like 89% of us here do, and I am looking forward to next season. Luckily, I have NASCAR to hold me until football starts again.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Agreed.

I'd like to see Peyton Manning with our o-line.

That O-line he is behind is not a great line. Manning makes them look better with his ability to make quick decisions, a quick release, and stepping up in the pocket.

I am guess i fall into the category of "Carr hater" because i think he is going to always be inconsistent. he will have some great games and even good years, but as of now when he has time he makes too many poor decisions. he is best when he is out of the pocket and can either let it fly with one or two options or take off and run, but in the NFL QBs who consistently make a difference in the passing game do so from the pocket. He is a starting quality QB in the NFL, I just don't think he is an elite guy. Honestly, as a Texans fans I hope he proves me wrong. I will gladly eat that crow.

 

[BuffSoldier]

No O-line, questionable QB play, good O-line, a Pro Bowl Caliber QB.

 

[thegr8fan]

Carr and the O-line is one of those 'what came first, the chicken or the egg' questions, IMHO.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL, at best. He has no pocket awareness, gets happy feet, until yesterday (for a total of ONE play) he ALWAYS scrambles to his right, makes poor decisions, hangs onto the ball too long, and doesn't look downfield when he does start to run.

The O-line playing is terrible, especially at the Center position. Pitts at LG has played a grand total of 1 year there (this one), and it was under a new scheme. He didn't play football till college and has played EVERY down since the Texans inception in 2002. But there were times when they formed a pocket and Carr ran right out of it and into the rushing DE who wasn't any where near him at all, originally. There were other times when it was a complete failure of protection.

So does Carr have happy feet cause he always hears footsteps coming with the current O-line? Or does the current O-line know that he isn't going to stay in the pocket anyway, so why try forming one?

For all you Carr lovers, here is some advice from me. Stop emulating him and get a haircut so you can actually SEE the game. Carr himself said that the way the Texans played yesterday NEEDED to be boo-ed. Carr has some growing to do and I am not going to say fire him or replace him. But his place on the team is NOT above critiqueing and forming an opinion on. Anyone who thinks Carr is the type of QB to take a team to the Superbowl on his back (ie Marino, Montana) had better re-evaluate their opinions though, cause THAT ain't going to happen.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.

 

[rdbrem]

Check it out using the thread search...

24 posts mentioning Carr (by the wronger)

23 against
1 for...

actually, the one for he was just complaining about Chicago fans cheering one of Carr's injuries, but that's the closest he got to being balanced

Wow, you can even get stat's on the 'fans' now...

 

[texansfan88]

I'm just tired of all this talk BECAUSE remember last week when the Jags board got livid cuz they lost to us and were calling for the qb's head? That's exactly what most of you sound like

 

[the wonger need food]

Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.

Good points, but be prepared for the heat. Negative opinions about the mesiah are punishable by death on this board.

 

[texansfan88]

Good points, but be prepared for the heat. Negative opinions about the mesiah are punishable by death on this board.

get a life...

 

[the wonger need food]

Check it out using the thread search...

24 posts mentioning Carr (by the wronger)

23 against
1 for...

actually, the one for he was just complaining about Chicago fans cheering one of Carr's injuries, but that's the closest he got to being balanced

Wow, you can even get stat's on the 'fans' now...

Yeah, I should probably be banished for having negative opinions about Houston's savior.

Most of these have been post-Cleveland. I could join in the Carr love fest but what fun would that be?

 

[BornOrange]

For all you Carr lovers, here is some advice from me. Stop emulating him and get a haircut so you can actually SEE the game. Carr himself said that the way the Texans played yesterday NEEDED to be boo-ed. Carr has some growing to do and I am not going to say fire him or replace him. But his place on the team is NOT above critiqueing and forming an opinion on. Anyone who thinks Carr is the type of QB to take a team to the Superbowl on his back (ie Marino, Montana) had better re-evaluate their opinions though, cause THAT ain't going to happen.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.

Right now Carr is definitely an average NFL QB, although I think he will improve a lot over the next couple of years. I don't think he will be a Hall of Fame QB but he should be one of the best QB's in the league when he's in his prime.

While the team needed to be booed, the way fans singled out Carr when he came back into the game after being injured was completely classless. Anyone who booed at that time should never attend another Texans game. If I had been there in person, I would have probably gotten into a fight or two with any losers around me who did boo. That is if they had the balls to back up their idiocy, which is unlikely.

 

[the wonger need food]

get a life...

texansfan88, I apologize for hurting your feelings.

My mother told me that if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all. I will try to abide by this motto going forward to avoid hurting any more feelings.

 

[thegr8fan]

While the team needed to be booed, the way fans singled out Carr when he came back into the game after being injured was completely classless.

I almost agree completely. The part I wouldn't agree with is the fact of booing your team, EVER, as a fan. I simply won't do it.

And I hope that your prediction of the future for Carr comes true. BOY do I hope it does. But since I don't have a better picture on Carr's potential I am going to simply grade him on his past and present.

I don't dislike Carr, I simply don't think he is the next coming of the Marino/Montana mesiah that some on this board predict.

Sure wouldn't hurt my feeling any to be wrong. Not even a little bit.

 

[texansfan88]

No, it's just like this

Pete (Gr8Fan) makes great points when he discusses topics. You on the other hand rant. When you know what you're talking about and know a little more about the game, then I'll listen to you.

Things like All of you guys with the man-crush need to get over it makes no sense to the conversation and that's why it's tough to listen to you b/c you have no credibility in what you're talking about.

 

[shinerbock_girl]

Carr is awesome and wait till we get a decent o-line and he'll show em....

 

[texansfan88]

"If I was him I would try to get out of this system ASAP. Trade him for O-line help... it's not like the Texans coaches are gonna use him anyway."-Wonger

And comments like that...

 

[Tedc]

All of you guys with the man-crush need to get over it.

OK. It is a man crush. If he continues to grow his hair, it may be a she man crush.

 

[the wonger need food]

"If I was him I would try to get out of this system ASAP. Trade him for O-line help... it's not like the Texans coaches are gonna use him anyway."-Wonger

And comments like that...

You're right, to some degree. There should be a 48-hour post-game ban imposed on me after a loss. A lot of it is hot air, but I don't think the coaches, Carr or anyone else in the organization is above criticism when they perform poorly.

I've made some positive posts also. Seriously.

 

[the wonger need food]

I've seen like 2 or 3.

I didn't say there were a lot.

 

[Tedc]

I am positively certain he most certainly must have.

 

[Texan Gal 312]

texansfan88, I apologize for hurting your feelings.

My mother told me that if you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all. I will try to abide by this motto going forward to avoid hurting any more feelings.

Children -dare I say you sound like a bunch of ...what you accuse women of sounding like.

Give Carr at least until the end of next year before you pass judgement.
I wish the above stats would have included the fourth year that is when you start seeing improvement.
Also keep in mind some rookies who came in and looked great in their first year later looked... not so good. Kerry Collins comes to mind. People rush to judgement too often on quarterbacks. Look where Drew Brees was this time last year and where he is now. And guess what... San Diego didn't even change coaches.... amazing !

 

[fresno8]

That O-line he is behind is not a great line. Manning makes them look better with his ability to make quick decisions, a quick release, and stepping up in the pocket.
.

Did you ever think our receivers aren't open so he can't make that quick read. Manning is always throwing to wide open receivers, even the short passes. Not only that he has 3 great playmakers (3 1,000 yrd guys) How many times have you seen Carr throw to a wide open receivers compared to Manning. Hard to step up in the pocket when there is no "consistent"pocket, yes sometimes there is one and he doesn't step into it, but when you've been sacked about 150 times in three years and probably hit that many times as well would you step up into the pocket (you can only take so much and it will take a lot to earn his trust back). There have been many times where Carr steps and throws into that pocket and gets blown up yes that's part of the game, but this guy has been abused.

 

[LuvYaTexans]

Anyone who thinks Carr is the type of QB to take a team to the Superbowl on his back (ie Marino, Montana) had better re-evaluate their opinions though, cause THAT ain't going to happen.

Carr is an average QB in the NFL. Saying that isn't HATING on him, it is simply being realistic.--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think I'll save this post and re-print it when we do make it to the Superbowl, whenever that may be. I've been up in my office for about 2 hours reading all this **** about how Carr should be booed, Carr is this, Carr should do that, he stinks, he needs to move up in the pocket, he's average.........I think I'll go take a shower now and take my brain out and give it a good cleaning as well! I wish you could all "hear yourselves" WOW I'm totally amazed at the total disrespect, he's NOT SUPERMAN, NOT a perfect QB, not a seasoned QB, but a intelligent, talented young man, whom from all accounts has all the tools he needs to be a GREAT QB in the NFL. And the fans boo him for all his hard work, toughness & efforts. Amazing! Simply amazing! But, that's our society these days & your choice as a ticket paying fan and an unfortunate one it is. Buying a ticket doesn't give us the right to be rude. Nor does being paid 60 million make you not human.

Chris Berman on ESPN, NFL countdown had nothing but praise and accolades for this young man. They were extremely complimentary of his toughness and work ethics. NOT to mention Mr. McNair who is NOT a stupid man, but rather an articulate smart business man. He see's the value in his investment in a young man with noble character, & talent and he seems determined to protect it and I applaud him for it and his commitment. There's not much of that anymore...you know fortitude and commitment and "in for the long-haul" mindset...it doesn't seem to exist anymore. That is evident by some on this board. I for one join Mr. McNair, Chris Berman and the whole TEXAN'S team in saying, I'm in for the duration, whatever and wherever it may take us.
Players will come and go and we'll get our kicks off of praising them and kicking them....hmm even booing them, but what it comes down to is this, nobody wants to come home to their own house or front door to hear boos by their own family. Nobody. To have that happen in a supposed "safe
environment" is disfunctional to say the least. If we truely say that we want to be a better Houston and put the past behind us, regarding the BUD years, then we'd better as well LEARN from the past and be prepared NOT TO REPEAT IT! If we don't, then we will get what we dish out, a team that despises us and hates playing for us. I for one think that we should express our opinions and we should be heard as a FAN base, but booing is sending the wrong message to our TEAM, one that will come back and bite us in the butt if we don't stop it. These are men, that yes, make the big bucks and yes, are paid to entertain US, but I'd rather work for someone who appreciates me, than someone who loathes me. Boos send the wrong message.

This young man, QB, millionair, human being or whatever you want to call him, isn't God and doesn't pretend to be from all I've heard and seen. I for one, if you are reading this DAVID CARR don't agree with the boos and I'm not a CARR lover, as some like to poke fun at, but an admirer of you and the talent you've apparently worked hard for all your life, and I respect your hard work ethics and commitment to this team. Not to mention your high moral character I've seen. We need more like you in this NFL, especially with the Ricky Williams types we've seen lately. You are to be applauded, not worshiped, for all you've had to endure to get this team on it's feet and ready for a winning season. It will happen, just don't let all this stuff get to you. IT's only a handful, so keep your focus on the goal and not the speed bumps along the way. Keep looking ahead and not behind, because it will only give you sore neck! I heard you say that you were equally upset and would have booed as well. At least your honesly frustrated and wanting things to improve, not flipping the fans off during the game, like some I've seen lately. You've got more class than that I presume. Hang in there, most of us "have your back" and it will all work out.

Well, that's my soap box for the month. I must say that I feel better having said it. Not that it'll do any good. So now you can all jump on me and analyze my words. It's quite ok with me, I've got tough skin and I'm not a young QB trying to find a way to win games am I, I guess he's free game. In fact I fully expect it. Call me what you will, but you'll never call me unfaithful to my team, just a FAN. By the way, did you all ever stop to think that his lovely wife and family might just be in that stadium listening. I hear he has children as well, I guess they loved hearing you all boo their daddy. That must have been fun for those little tikes to hear, not to mention the other children in the stadium, maybe your own, who are watching a listening to all of us ADULTS and I say that loosly. Have a good one.
Go Texan's............I've got your back!

 

[edo783]

Is David "Saint David"?? Hardly and he has some things that need work, but until
he gets at least an AVERAGE NFL line it will be impossible to tell what we really have at QB. Until he has confidence that the o-line will protect him, he wont spend a great deal of time looking for open recieves before dumping off or taking off running. If we don't/haven't ruined him by having the snott beat out him every week for three years, I think he will be a GOOD QB that snags a few Probowls. Hall of Fame, probably not. If the only thing some folks will accept is absolute perfection and total domination with the press praising everything, I suspect that they are going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[Sco-tai]

Wonger...noone digs someone who feels sorry for themselves. Do not take a "poor me" stance if you're going to voice a myopically angled stance against a hugely popular star in the eyes of most whom visit this site/board. NOT bashing you, just saying "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".

I am as disappointed as anyone that our season ended with every other non-playoff team. But this is a feeling that Capers, Casserly and staff will most certainly rectify in THIS off season. Guaranteed? Obviously not. But quite likely if we hold steady and continue the high-quality/high-class organization excecution shown thus far.

4 - 12......5 - 11.......7 - 9.

Now if you were taking the SAT, GLAT, or whichever various standarized test, ask yourself, what is the next step in this pattern?
We have ZERO cap issue. We have ZERO injury issue. We have ZERO FA & DRAFT issues. And top 1/2 draft picks with a extra picks coming. So it's very logical to believe our team will be over .500 next year and very much an issue in the PLAYOFF picture. And to change coaching or QB at this point would be shuffling the deck far more than appropriate with given results.

Let our management focus on scouting FA's, RFA's & draft picks and not having to spend time responding to media/fan inquiries about poorly thought out complaints concerning vital facets of our team.

Does the O-line's pass protection need work. DEFINITELY.

But as the analogy relates to a car...if the tires are flat, the wheel doesn't turn very well. Fix the tires...and the wheel turns fine.
Fix the O-Line, and our QB will be in the top 3 for years to come.

And next time you post something obviously poorly substantiated, don't leave subsequent posts complaining about fan-feedback.

Oh..and if you've hung with this post for this long. What did you think about Carlos Rogers tonight from Auburn. WOW! A-Glenn, D-Rob & C-Rog in 2005 would be one of the best nickle DB sets around!!! Could give P-Manning nightmares!!!

 

[whotex8]

Expect nothing.....and you will never be disappointed!
Expect everything......and you will always be disappointed!
Progress comes one day and one game at a time.
If you look at the overall track record. We started at the bottom and are gradually working our way UP.

One day!
One game!
And....
One year..at a time!

We're a long way from "expect nothing"!

Go Texans!

 

[MACFAN87]

I Wish Some Of You Would Lay Off Carr,pick Your Qb Anyone And Put'em Behind Our O-line And A Huge Grass Stain Will Become A Part Of Their Weekly Jersey. I Have Seen Every Texans Game And All But 2 Games Of Fresno St. Trust Me Carr Is The Heart Of This Team And Will Get Them To The Sb Land For Sure In Time ... We Need A Better Oline And Palmers Gotta Go Or Grow Some Balls.. Heck Carr Needs To Breath, Best Game Of The Year Minnesota Game Yea We Lost But We Seen What Are Team Can Do !!! Can U Imagine Our Coaches Calling Plays Like That The Whole Game The Whole Year!!!! Trust Me Get The O-line To Give Carr Time And Watch Our Texans Shine

 

[phan1]

I think he's a potentially great QB, but I am really worried he will start regressing if we don't get him some protection. A lot of times in the season, he would take the hit and deliver the ball to a reciever. Now, he is abandoning the pocket way too soon, and starting to look at the pass rush. GET HIM SOME PROTECTION!!!

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Did you ever think our receivers aren't open so he can't make that quick read. Manning is always throwing to wide open receivers, even the short passes. Not only that he has 3 great playmakers (3 1,000 yrd guys) How many times have you seen Carr throw to a wide open receivers compared to Manning. Hard to step up in the pocket when there is no "consistent"pocket, yes sometimes there is one and he doesn't step into it, but when you've been sacked about 150 times in three years and probably hit that many times as well would you step up into the pocket (you can only take so much and it will take a lot to earn his trust back). There have been many times where Carr steps and throws into that pocket and gets blown up yes that's part of the game, but this guy has been abused.

Does the guy need better overall protection? yes, but learning how to deal with pressure is a part of Carr's job. Honestly, after 3 years of pressure he should be able to more than run to right when he gets pressure. He does not move around what ever pocket is there, nor step up in the pocket throw nor understand that he is going to get hit anyway why not make his throw. The elite QBs do some combination of these things regularly. Apart of an elite QBs job is that he makes plays which make his O-line and receivers look better than they are.

There 50-60 Qbs in the NFL with great protection and WRs running great routes and catching everything thrown to them can be a great player. For you guys who want me to buy that Carr is an elite QB his next step is to deal with a pass rush and make good decisions on a regular basis. If he never does, he will be a QB that is not any better than those around him. In other words, not special.

 

[edo783]

We are using 7 people to block 4 and can't get it done. That leaves 7 people to cover 3 recievers. That is pretty much double coverage anywhere you look. Very little protection and the reciever corp as a whole is mostly double covered, any wonder its a problem passing?

 

[Lucky]

...There 50-60 Qbs in the NFL with great protection and WRs running great routes and catching everything thrown to them can be a great player. For you guys who want me to buy that Carr is an elite QB his next step is to deal with a pass rush and make good decisions on a regular basis...

I don't think anyone is suggesting the need for great protection. How about average protection? When the Texans began the season 4-3, the Texans were allowing about 2.3 sacks/game (the league average). During this time, Carr was among the league leaders (top 10 or better) in passing yards, yards/attempt, completion %, and QB rating. When getting average NFL protection, Carr was making good decisions on a regular basis.

From that point on, Carr was sacked 3.6 times per game. He was hit on numerous attempts he did get off. And his passing stats went down. He also began to run from pressure so much that he became #3 in rushing attempts among QBs. Even in a game where the Texans held a 2 TD lead, week 16 in Jax, Carr was sacked or pressured 7 of the 14 times he dropped back in the 2nd half. With a lead! What kind of O-line can't pass protect with a 2 TD lead?

This isn't just an ordinary bad O-line. On the Inside the Texans wrap up show, 2 of Carr's sacks were shown via the endzone, or coaching tape, view. On both sacks, the check down receivers (Miiler on one, Davis on the other) were visable in the frame. Carr was sacked on on the ground before either check down receiver had turned around. Miller & Davis both threw their hands up in the air in frustration upon seeing this.

Asking Carr to just stand in the pocket and take a beating isn't the answer. The Texans aren't going to win games and Carr won't survive getting hit 50% of the time he drops back. What you should be asking is why does an O-line allow 50% more sacks in the 2nd half of the season? Why does an O-line look dominant in the 1st quarter in both the Jags & Browns game, but have their head handed to them in the 2nd half? I can think there are a couple of logical possibilities. What do you think?

 

[wags]

This isn't just an ordinary bad O-line. On the Inside the Texans wrap up show, 2 of Carr's sacks were shown via the endzone, or coaching tape, view. On both sacks, the check down receivers (Miiler on one, Davis on the other) were visable in the frame. Carr was sacked on on the ground before either check down receiver had turned around. Miller & Davis both threw their hands up in the air in frustration upon seeing this.

I especially noticed the time Carr stepped up into the pocket, only to be met head on by the guy Pitts attempted to block.

P.S. Sorry I singled you out Chester.

 

[WWJD]

One thing I wondered and I never really sat down and studied this watching a game. If Carr is getting enormous pressure

a) why don't they use their RB's for blocking? Emmitt Smith was/is great at this. Yet you never hear DD made a great block. Or maybe I miss it.

b)wasn't Bruener (sp?) suppose to be brought here for his blocking skills? I guess that isn't working if that's the case.

It seems to me that most of the pressure on Carr comes right up the middle.

Educate me you O line watchers. Am I missing something?

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I don't think anyone is suggesting the need for great protection. How about average protection? When the Texans began the season 4-3, the Texans were allowing about 2.3 sacks/game (the league average). During this time, Carr was among the league leaders (top 10 or better) in passing yards, yards/attempt, completion %, and QB rating. When getting average NFL protection, Carr was making good decisions on a regular basis.

From that point on, Carr was sacked 3.6 times per game. He was hit on numerous attempts he did get off. And his passing stats went down. He also began to run from pressure so much that he became #3 in rushing attempts among QBs. Even in a game where the Texans held a 2 TD lead, week 16 in Jax, Carr was sacked or pressured 7 of the 14 times he dropped back in the 2nd half. With a lead! What kind of O-line can't pass protect with a 2 TD lead?

This isn't just an ordinary bad O-line. On the Inside the Texans wrap up show, 2 of Carr's sacks were shown via the endzone, or coaching tape, view. On both sacks, the check down receivers (Miiler on one, Davis on the other) were visable in the frame. Carr was sacked on on the ground before either check down receiver had turned around. Miller & Davis both threw their hands up in the air in frustration upon seeing this.

Asking Carr to just stand in the pocket and take a beating isn't the answer. The Texans aren't going to win games and Carr won't survive getting hit 50% of the time he drops back. What you should be asking is why does an O-line allow 50% more sacks in the 2nd half of the season? Why does an O-line look dominant in the 1st quarter in both the Jags & Browns game, but have their head handed to them in the 2nd half? I can think there are a couple of logical possibilities. What do you think?

I am not going attempt to defend the performance of the O-line, but I am just not of the school that Carr is going to be the world's next great QB if the the line blocks. The comment that helps know that something is up with Carr working with his protection scheme was McKinney's statement that the blocking was not as bad as it looked. A QB who seemingly always scrammbles to the right no matter where the pressure is or even where the receivers are is not understanding how to beat the defense.

 

[virginiatexan]

I just joined this board after watching the horrible display by fans this weekend. Booing the class act you have at quarterback in the first quarter was more indicative of Philadelphia fans than you. Maybe Carr didn't have the greatest game, maybe the linemen and running back didn't block, maybe nobody on the team cared about the last game.

Being a fan of an expansion team is hard. We head into our fourth year this September and continue to improve. Maybe Carr should move on as some on this board suggest and make some other city proud. He is a perfect representantive of our team, a number one draft choice, the leader on the sidelines, and never, never says anything bad about a line and running back that can't block that well.

I will always be a fan of Carr and the Texans but that booing display on Sunday did not say much about the city and its fans. Just my observation.

 

[ccdude730]

a) why don't they use their RB's for blocking? Emmitt Smith was/is great at this. Yet you never hear DD made a great block. Or maybe I miss it.

b)wasn't Bruener (sp?) suppose to be brought here for his blocking skills? I guess that isn't working if that's the case.

It seems to me that most of the pressure on Carr comes right up the middle.

Educate me you O line watchers. Am I missing something?

answer key:
a) they do use him and hes pretty good at picking up the blitz. but he also has really good hands and alot of the times its like a safty valve for carr. hence all the receptions for DD this year

b) you got me on that one but because im not sure about passing situations with bruener. he is good on run blocking....

pressure wise? i think your right about the middle and in the last game it had alot to do with the RG (brown), but overall it might be because our center (mckiney) isnt dominant.

 

[mother-in-law]

Josh Lovelady played ball for the U of H in the 1998 - 2000 time frame and then went on to play for Scottish Claymores (winning all Europe NFL recognition) and then went to Detroit Lions.

This young man has a love of the sport and, with the right coaching and guidance, will make a great NFL offensive lineman.

How do you tell the TEXANS that he is out there?/

 

[ccdude730]

Booing the class act you have at quarterback in the first quarter was more indicative of Philadelphia fans than you. Maybe Carr didn't have the greatest game, maybe the linemen and running back didn't block, maybe nobody on the team cared about the last game.

it was in the 4th quarter when carr got injured and when he was coming back in. that was when it was rediculous. i was furious and started yelling at the people around me.

it sorta went like this:
me - "hey, what the [BLEEP]...are yall booing our franchise qb?"
jerk sitting in front of me - "yes"
me - (said something i shouldnt have under my breath)
****carr runs for his life and ends up getting a first down****
jerk sitting in front of me - (cheers for team)

 

[wags]

A QB who seemingly always scrammbles to the right no matter where the pressure is or even where the receivers are is not understanding how to beat the defense.

He scrambles to the right because he is right handed. If he ever scrambled to the left I would really question his thought process. Ever tried throwing across your body on the run? It doesn't work very well.

 

[FILO_girl]

Right now Carr is definitely an average NFL QB, although I think he will improve a lot over the next couple of years. I don't think he will be a Hall of Fame QB but he should be one of the best QB's in the league when he's in his prime.QUOTE]- not sure why that didn't quote right. Oh well.

ANYWAY
X'actly. I said he was no Brett Favre. That is not hatin', it is a realistic look at this time. Didn't say he was bad, just not Brett. But then again, Brett is my fave player of all time so it will take someone mighty awesome to fit this description. David has the humility and family values, but needs more skills to get there. Brett needed more than 3 years to prove himself too.

Give David some reliable protection and we will see a more confident and stronger QB. Hard to be tough when you have to beat feet or eat turf all the time. We do have a very mobile QB but really we don't want to see HOW mobile SO often!

Is this what you were getting at Wonger?

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

He scrambles to the right because he is right handed. If he ever scrambled to the left I would really question his thought process. Ever tried throwing across your body on the run? It doesn't work very well.

Actually, it is tougher but not impossible, especialy if you are able to square you shoulders some. i have seen plenty of QBs including Carr do it. Again, watch other QBs. They scrammble up the field and to the left also. Carr has chosen to ge to the right even when there has not been a WR or TE to go to.

 

[CalTexan]

game after game....we put ourselves in a position where we have to come from behind. Not good. We start off slow. We need to start off with a bang. Don't forget guys....Capers was a defensive coordinator.
In order for Carr to be effective.....he has to throw 25-30 a game. Capers is soo determined to pound the ball that puts little emphasis in our passing game.....that is why our passing plays are simple.
It is not tough to defend us.
Carr has a strong arm and is mobile. He needs more passing attempts in order to feel more comfortable and to get into a groove. But with our play calling....he cannot get into a groove!
If Carr was playing for the Colts......I gaurantee you he would be a star! Too bad for him!