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Texansballer74

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What you consider to be outlandish I consider to be common sense. If you dont think a guy can win a championship why waste the time and effort. Moving on seems like the smart thing to do. IMHO

Well sir I guess 90% of the NFL teams need to trade their quarterbacks. And side note the Texans and I'm sure 90% of the league doesn't share what you consider to be common sense.
 

steelbtexan

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You know I studied all three of those QB's pre draft …. and my knock on Watson was that he wasn't asked to do much read wise - Dabo kept those reads real simple and flowing from the top down primary , secondary , checkdown …. take off. He was rarely asked to do read more than two and a checkdown.

The pass protection issue …. passing rushers off in real time is not an easy thing to do. That's something that takes time to learn and time together to execute. Ever notice how OL's that have been together for a long period of time tend to be good …. We got for all intents and purposes saw a quarter season with the OL we expect to see going forward.

You also have to realize that with Watson often holding the ball for far too long , these guys are being asked to maintain blocks for an extended time too … This is something that's really got to be fixed scheme wise.

Worst thing is , we didn't wake up this morning to the news that OB had been canned so we likely don't see any real solutions until 2021 ...
You can scheme DW4 into a championship level QB. In short what's wrong with DW4 can be helped but cant be fixed. BOB certainly isn't doing DW4 any favors though. He expects DW4 to be able to step up into the face of the rush/pockect and deliver an accurate ball. Apparently that's too much to ask of DW4.
 

stingray

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What you consider to be outlandish I consider to be common sense. If you dont think a guy can win a championship why waste the time and effort. Moving on seems like the smart thing to do. IMHO
You are definitely a broken record man.. Trying to reason with you is impossible. But its ok, Ive learned in my life that there will always be that one guy that will say anything to get attention. You are definitely that guy.
 

steelbtexan

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Well sir I guess 90% of the NFL teams need to trade their quarterbacks. And side note the Texans and I'm sure 90% of the league doesn't share what you consider to be common sense.
Believe it or not outside of Texans fans other fans think DW4 is a good but not great QB. I happen to agree with them, that is all.

Gotta keep looking for that elusive franchise QB because the Texans ain't got one right now.
 

steelbtexan

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You are definitely a broken record man.. Trying to reason with you is impossible. But its ok, Ive learned in my life that there will always be that one guy that will say anything to get attention. You are definitely that guy.
What was incorrect about what I said?

We just disagree about whether DW4 is a franchise QB. I certainly dont need the attention. Is my opinion outlandish if it becomes correct? If I was in your shoes I might hold off on making fun until whatever time frame you set. 51-7

BTW, I will ask you how many yrs is enough before you can make a decision?
 
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steelbtexan

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Tannehill has a better overall OL (a big factor) Derek Henry led the NFL in rushing, a big deal since the run play action so often, and A.J. Brown is an absolute stud and Corey Davis is a good WR. Jonnu Smith is a play maker (I’d personally take him over Akins)

I don’t think that highly of anyone on the Jags offensive

The Colts had 2 solid TEs, TY is good, Pascal is solid, I’d take Mack over any RB on our roster. Their OL is much better than ours overall, again big factor

Let me ask you this, would the Texans have won as many games this year with Brisset or Tannehill at QB? I think not. Would the Colts or Titans win more games with DW at QB? I think they would.
The last paragraph is where we disagree. I think the Texans would win more games with Tannehill than DW4.

Also, You like Brown/Davis/Sharpe over Hopkins/WFV/Stills and the OL isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Tannehill just gets rid of the ball quicker.
 

steelbtexan

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The hilarious part about it is that he gave up on Watson after 3 yrs. He says he will never win a SB, but now hes using Tannehill as an example of a good QB.. even though Tannehill has been in the league for seven years and wasn’t very good his first three years in Miami. He justs throws crap on the wall and see if it sticks.
He was good in Miami,

He just got hurt (2 ACL's)
 

otisbean

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The last paragraph is where we disagree. I think the Texans would win more games with Tannehill than DW4.

Also, You like Brown/Davis/Sharpe over Hopkins/WFV/Stills and the OL isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Tannehill just gets rid of the ball quicker.
I could be wrong but I think you’d be in the minority about Tannehill vs Watson. Tannehill also use to have a reputation for holding the ball. I believe they mentioned it during the first Titan game. Guess what he’s improved in that area

I love Hop and Fuller, and I like Stills as a 3-4. I’m a ND fan so I’ve been a Fuller fan for a long time, but he can’t stay healthy. It bums me out but it’s the truth

Regarding the OL. I think your off in your assessment


Check out where the Titans rank, that’s a factor for sure. We are bottom 1/3 of the league. I do believe the OL to improve with the maturation of Scharping and Howard.
 

steelbtexan

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I could be wrong but I think you’d be in the minority about Tannehill vs Watson. Tannehill also use to have a reputation for holding the ball. I believe they mentioned it during the first Titan game. Guess what he’s improved in that area

I love Hop and Fuller, and I like Stills as a 3-4. I’m a ND fan so I’ve been a Fuller fan for a long time, but he can’t stay healthy. It bums me out but it’s the truth

Regarding the OL. I think your off in your assessment


Check out where the Titans rank, that’s a factor for sure. We are bottom 1/3 of the league. I do believe the OL to improve with the maturation of Scharping and Howard.
The QB can help with this alot.
 

ATXtexanfan

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Would you trade DW4 for Burrow straight up?
Dont make me answer that

Burrow has one hell of a ceiling. However that ceiling will crash down if the coaching and system are a bad fit.

I think OB could run his system with a different qb.

I think DW4 would tap into his potential with a different coach

Also just think OB has alot more learning to do as a coach in general
 

steelbtexan

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123 Tds and 75 ints is good in six years there? Like I said, you come up with opinions but facts never ever back you up. Thats why I don’t take your opinions seriously
Almost 2-1 TD to INT ratio with a crappy team, often playing injured.
 

banned1976

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Regardless of the efforts of one person this is still an O’Brien thread.

I feel the best path forward for this team is replacing the coaching staff and front office. When your young QB has to remind the coach what the score is and the rhythm the other teams offense has gotten into, in a playoff game, that’s coaching negligence. 4th and 4, down 17 and your HC is calling for the punt team in the 4th quarter? The evaluation of the team MUST start there. Anyone claiming different has to be ignored. They’re not being objective in any way.

How many times must ownership be reminded that the playoffs are too big of a stage for O’Brien before a change is made?
 

76Texan

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You know I studied all three of those QB's pre draft …. and my knock on Watson was that he wasn't asked to do much read wise - Dabo kept those reads real simple and flowing from the top down primary , secondary , checkdown …. take off. He was rarely asked to do read more than two and a checkdown.

The pass protection issue …. passing rushers off in real time is not an easy thing to do. That's something that takes time to learn and time together to execute. Ever notice how OL's that have been together for a long period of time tend to be good …. We got for all intents and purposes saw a quarter season with the OL we expect to see going forward.

You also have to realize that with Watson often holding the ball for far too long , these guys are being asked to maintain blocks for an extended time too … This is something that's really got to be fixed scheme wise.

Worst thing is , we didn't wake up this morning to the news that OB had been canned so we likely don't see any real solutions until 2021 ...
I know; that was why I said mostly 1-3.
But there were occasions that he went through the whole progression.
This is pretty much the case for most, if not all, college QBs.

I remember reading about Montana and Walsh.
I think it was Walsh who said that Montana wasn't asked to go through the whole progression until year 5 with the Niners.
I think he (Walsh) meant "routinely", as in Montana got the full playbook in year 5.
 

ATXtexanfan

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Remember when jerry jones the owner was asked if he would fire jerry jones the GM.

I'm sure GM OB would fire HC OB who would fire OC OB
 

Corrosion

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True,

After being outscored 51-7

I'm for blowing the whole thing up, because there will be no championships as long as either one of them are here. BOB's hardhead got the best of him and DW4 ain't winning a SB.

If you want a winning team keep one or both of these guys. If you want a championship these aren't your guys.

TBH I don't know what's so outlandish about this take.

We know damn well OB aint the guy ….

And its not likely that Watson wins a superbowl … Look at the list of players who haven't.

SportsBookUSA has them at 30:1 to win in 2021.

Chiefs 7-1
49ers 8-1
Ravens 8-1
Saints 10-1
Patriots 12-1
Steelers 12-1
Cowboys 16-1
Eagles 20-1
Packers 20-1
Seahawks 20-1
Rams 30-1
Browns 30-1
Bears 30-1
Chargers 30-1
Colts 30-1
Texans 30-1
Vikings 30-1
 

Earl34

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The last paragraph is where we disagree. I think the Texans would win more games with Tannehill than DW4.

Also, You like Brown/Davis/Sharpe over Hopkins/WFV/Stills and the OL isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Tannehill just gets rid of the ball quicker.
I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time and contributing to this tangent. But here goes. Tannehill won two playoff games by throwing for a combined 160 yards. He's completing 50% of his passes and averaging 80 yards passing in the playoffs. If you think O'Brien can scheme his way into winning a game when his QB throws for 70 yards, you are sorely mistaken. Too funny.

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Texansballer74

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Dont make me answer that

Burrow has one hell of a ceiling. However that ceiling will crash down if the coaching and system are a bad fit.

I think OB could run his system with a different qb.

I think DW4 would tap into his potential with a different coach

Also just think OB has alot more learning to do as a coach in general
How many quarterbacks been in O’Briens system?
 

steelbtexan

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I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time and contributing to this tangent. But here goes. Tannehill won two playoff games by throwing for a combined 160 yards. He's completing 50% of his passes and averaging 80 yards passing in the playoffs. If you think O'Brien can scheme his way into winning a game when his QB throws for 70 yards, you are sorely mistaken. Too funny.

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Tannehill is playing efficient football. He got 2 first downs running the ball.

Not taking up for BOB, I would have fired him after Sunday. Difference is I dont think what's wrong with DW4 can be coached out of him, you do. I respect your opinion, but give me a time frame where you will start to question if DW4 is a franchise QB and not just hey, he ain't as bad as Carr/Hoyerable/Os etc...
 

steelbtexan

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He holds onto the ball too. Against us he didn’t have too because his receivers were open. Plus he locked in on Kelce a lot. The same freaking way Watson does with Hopkins.

Dude stop acting freaking blind.
LMAO, he thew to all of his receivers including his RB's. I wish DW4 would lock on to whoever is in the middle of the field more often.
 

Texansballer74

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I know; that was why I said mostly 1-3.
But there were occasions that he went through the whole progression.
This is pretty much the case for most, if not all, college QBs.

I remember reading about Montana and Walsh.
I think it was Walsh who said that Montana wasn't asked to go through the whole progression until year 5 with the Niners.
I think he (Walsh) meant "routinely", as in Montana got the full playbook in year 5.
Big homie it took Brady at least 5 years before Belichick and company to let him loose. He was just a game manager, basically going through a few reads. Once he fully understood the philosophy, it was on and popping.
 

steelbtexan

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I didn’t say he didn’t. WTF are you talking about?
Again you continue to show you’re a Watson hater.
What does me saying Mahomes is a better leader have to do with me hating (I dont, I just dont think DW4's that good) DW4?

Sunday should've been obvious to you but I'm sure it wasn't. How many yrs?
 

texanhead08

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Pancakes was on 610 today and the hosts were really pushing him on why Obrien shouldn't be fired. He said he aint happening and on a scale of 1-10 it would register at 11 if he got fired. They asked would there be staff changes he gave a vanilla answer that they change people all the time people always get hired and fired over there. +

They asked Pancakes is it normal for the QB to have to tell the coach to go for it on 4th down when you are 17 behind in the 4th quarter he said I don't know players tell coaches stuff all the time. I said its not a shock to me he punted down 14 with 4 mins to go in New England in the season opener last year. He really sounds like he doesn't want to be honest because of how petty they are over there towards the media. I do think the media was way more critical of the Oilers than they are towards the Texans and you hear the stuff about members of the media getting their credentials pulled for being critical and you see why it happens.


I do think Pancakes knows people and has legit sources but he can't really put out the stuff he would like because of how the media is treated by the Texans organization. Just look how Obrien acts towards them in press conferences as proof.

He said he thinks it would take 2 losing seasons for Obrien to lose his job.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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I get it, but at the same time, drunk losers yelling crap at football games goes back many, many decades (heck, it's probably part of the fanatic fabric of the league the past century).

The inherent problem with O'Brien's meltdown is that it reveals a lack of mental fortitude. Other coaches have been yelled at. Most likely ALL of them at some point or another.

That said, can you imagine Belichick, Tom Landry, Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, or any number of other legendary coaches responding in such a manner?

Of course not. This is Dennis Green territory. This is indicative of a person who does not stay in control of his emotions. That's never okay for the leader of men, much less the GM and head coach of your professional team. It's a bad look, and I do have to wonder how Bob McNair would have responded to it. It's certainly not "Texans worthy".
I don't agree with how he handled it. But all of us can think of a time we got pushed to the point we said or did something we would have never done otherwise...............in a totally inappropriate setting.

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thunderkyss

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Dabo had a great scheme for Watson … it was simple , effective , gave a blocking numbers advantage in the RPO all while masking Watson's liabilities
I hear you. But watching the NCAA Championship game, didn't you get the feeling BO'b was calling plays? Even that WR bubble screen showed up more times than it should in a single game.

I saw the less athletic (but still pretty damn athletic) QB take it to the Clemson defense with his arm, his legs, his will to win. Whatever was needed at a particular time he felt it & did it.

While Trevor Lawrence waited for someone to get open. Waited for someone to make a play. Waited until he ran out of time.
 

Earl34

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TBH I don't know what's so outlandish about this take.

We know damn well OB aint the guy ….

And its not likely that Watson wins a superbowl … Look at the list of players who haven't.
NFL history is littered with QBs who were better than Watson and didn't win a championship. What makes the take outlandish is that it's a false premise that places a Super Bowl only on the QB and ignores the other factors (coaching, teammates, luck) that makes up a championship team. Last time I checked, football was a team sport.

If it's a simple as saying a QB will not win a championship, why bother playing the game? If everything is on the shoulders of the QB why haven't Rodgers, Manning, Wilson, and even Brady won more Super Bowls? Who would have thought Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer would win championships or Marino would not win one? It's a false premise to troll the forum and derail any conversation about the topic of this thread.
 

thunderkyss

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The last paragraph is where we disagree. I think the Texans would win more games with Tannehill than DW4.
Seriously. We've seen Tannehill without a run game.

Watch Tannehill if the Chiefs get two scores up on them. I doubt Tennessee will let that happen, Vrabel has a good enough defense to stop it, we don't.

But if they stop King Henry, that defense may not be able to hang.
 
I hear you. But watching the NCAA Championship game, didn't you get the feeling BO'b was calling plays? Even that WR bubble screen showed up more times than it should in a single game.

I saw the less athletic (but still pretty damn athletic) QB take it to the Clemson defense with his arm, his legs, his will to win. Whatever was needed at a particular time he felt it & did it.

While Trevor Lawrence waited for someone to get open. Waited for someone to make a play. Waited until he ran out of time.
Their both danged good Qb's. I would not mind either of them if I were the fan of a team needing a Franchise Qb. I do not think it is just a matter of one Qb having a greater desire to win over the other. LSU was just the better team.
 

Fred

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Let's be clear, this joker spewed profanities at O'Brien, the other coaches AND the players as they entered the tunnel each and every game............even when they won, but much more animated when they lost. He had someone recording each time, hoping to incite O'Brien to do exactly what he finally did..........for the specific prearranged purpose of selling it to TMZ. O'Brien no doubt would have been better off not blowing, but he was defending the whole team. Incomplete stories like these make for better press for angry fans.
So he should know what seats the guy has, or pretty close. After 2 or 3 times BOB could have had someone taping the "fan". ID their seats and have the Texans revoke their season tickets. Never needed to say one word. But that would require planning ahead from someone who doesn't know that sometimes 4th down comes after 3rd down.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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So he should know what seats the guy has, or pretty close. After 2 or 3 times BOB could have had someone taping the "fan". ID their seats and have the Texans revoke their season tickets. Never needed to say one word. But that would require planning ahead from someone who doesn't know that sometimes 4th down comes after 3rd down.
Cursing doesn't get your season tickets revoked............have had lots of drunken fools and others not needing beer sit in various sections when I've attended games over the years constantly throw the "F" bombs even in front of security...........doesn't happen unless someone starts throwing punches.
 

Corrosion

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If McClain's track record is any indication I feel like there will be a lot of happy Texans fans pretty soon.

After reading that twit from OB …. something about "we're building something here" …. He seems very confident he's not going anywhere and if history is any barometer , I'd have to say his confidence is well founded if Cal is anything like Daddy when it comes to firing people. Add to that he is not only the coach but the defacto GM , I doubt he's getting canned any time soon.

Maybe Tenn and Jax both put it together next year and the Texans are 3rd / 4th in the division …. that might be the best we can hope for , then maybe we get a new regime.
That's not to say I want to see them lose or be bad because that's the furthest thing from the truth - Its just a means to an end.
 
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