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mussop

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Do you really expect 70 year old white males to understand an urban term and how it originated and why it’s used?? Lol. It’s why OBrien finds himself in this pickle now. White folks telling black folks what not to be offended by is a pretty old standard in this country and the current climate makes them think it’s a Wayans Bro’s movie.

The bigger picture on this subject isn’t captured by the 20 or so active contributors here on this topic now and especially not by the most vocal ones. The prevailing sentiment universally was that at the least it was racially insensitive use of language and at worst it did originate from a racist agenda.

Good for Nuk to take the high road - OBrien is in his rear view and will just be another one of “those coaches” while he fills his bag with another 50Ms by a team who values who he is first and what he can do secondly.
When did he say that?
 

gwallaia

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Everyone should go check out the Houston Texans Facebook page. They have one post called Texans Story Time where players, cheerleaders and ambassadors read their favorite bedtime stories.
All of the comments, including mine, involve fun stories about Bill O'Brien. Some of them are funny as hell.
 

IDEXAN

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Anybody else besides myself interested in investing some greenbacks in a local billboard expressing our sentiments about O'Brien ?
Good chance something like that would spread a message that would go from local to regional and then with some national pub I'd think ? ESPN & others would pick it up.
Maybe that kind of negative pub would finally wake up the McNairs ?
 

ObsiWan

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what you really mean is no one should say things that offend you. Fk your feelings. Your feelings don’t outweigh another’s right to speak.
one does have a right to speak but with that "right" comes a responsibility for what you say.
Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?
yeah, here it is....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

I don't see the right to be an a$$hole anywhere in there
 

steelbtexan

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one does have a right to speak but with that "right" comes a responsibility for what you say.
yeah, here it is....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

I don't see the right to be an a$$hole anywhere in there
Agreed

Being an a$$hole is a very subjective term. And yes you have the right to be an a$$hole. In fact I know many people I would describe like this. (It's their right to act how they wish)
 
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Earl34

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Agreed

Being an a$$hole is a very subjective term. And yes you have the right to be an a$$hole. In fact I know many people I would describe like this. (It's their right to act how they wish)
Do these a$$hole yell fire in a crowded theater or show their a$$ on airplanes?

It's not a political statement about the First Amendment. More about an observation that a$$holes seems to pick and choose what they say and seem to have a selective control of themselves
 
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Here's a thought, how about we move conversations of what is and isn't allowed under the first amendment and what free speech means to the no spin zone. If someone wants to argue OB should be fired for this trade then simply looking at what we got back for Hopkins should be all the ammunition they need without bringing up a conversation that none of us, including Irvin, was there for. Only OB and Hopkins know what was said and even of those two only they know how they took/meant it.
 

steelbtexan

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Do these a$$hole yell fire in a crowded theater or show their a$$ on airplanes?

It's not a political statement about the First Amendment. More about an observation that a$$holes seems to pick and choose what they say and seem to have a selective control of themselves
Comparing the Nuk trade to these things makes me LMAO

#delusional
 

theCATALYST

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Bob is the talk of the town, lol.

Houston Texans fans may not have kind thoughts for head coach Bill O'Brien right now, but there are people around the NFL that have some level of respect for the newly promoted general manager's bold decision-making.

 

steelbtexan

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Bob is the talk of the town, lol.

Houston Texans fans may not have kind thoughts for head coach Bill O'Brien right now, but there are people around the NFL that have some level of respect for the newly promoted general manager's bold decision-making.

Yep, people around these parts cant seem to get over the fact that BOB's finally getting a chance to do things his way after 5 yrs. They know better that he does, but atleast when he gets fired it will be because he failed doing things his way.

I will put a question out there to all, if BOB had gotten pick 32 instead of pick 40 would that have changed any of y'alls minds about the Nuk trade? Remember Nuk wanted to renegotiate his deal with THREE yrs left on his current deal.
 
Bob is the talk of the town, lol.

Houston Texans fans may not have kind thoughts for head coach Bill O'Brien right now, but there are people around the NFL that have some level of respect for the newly promoted general manager's bold decision-making.

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zshawn10

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Asked about the DeAndre Hopkins trade, Howie Roseman indicates that the Texans weren't offering the same deal to the Eagles that the Cardinals go.
— Les Bowen (@LesBowen) March 26, 2020
Roseman and the Eagles ended up trading for cornerback Darius Slay from the Detroit Lions and turning around and giving him a three-year, $50.5 million contract and passing on the Hopkins deal. With the apparent need with the Eagles needing a wide receiver, Roseman, on a conference call with media, explained the reasoning to going with Slay over Hopkins.

"The Hopkins one, I get that this is a hot-button topic for us," Roseman said in his conference call on Thursday. "I think that, again, we gotta also look at it from the perspective of the other team. What their ask is for us may be different, depending on their valuation of players they get in trades or where draft picks are."

Roseman continued, "So, it’s not always apples to apples. I’m not saying that as an excuse, I’m just saying the reality of the situation is there are a lot of trades that we look at where I’ll call the GM and say, you know, ‘We talked about this. Why would you do it for this?’ And they’ll say, ‘Well, I really like this player’ or ‘I like where this pick is.’ So, I think there’s a lot that goes into it, and we’re not always in control of the results on that. And then, in terms of what we did there with draft picks, yeah, ideally, we didn’t wanna give up any draft picks."

"But when we looked at the value of another player we could get," Roseman said of the potential trade. "What he was making over a two-year period, plus the draft picks and plus. Maybe some of the guys we let go, we kind of looked at it, OK, here are the options: You can have this guy, this guy, plus your three and your five or you can come out with it and have Slay, Hargrave and McLeod and Parks and Robey-Coleman. And so when we looked at that and the way to improve our team, and where that goes from a resource perspective, that’s how we kind of made the decision."

It appears the biggest deterrent for Roseman, and the Eagles were the contract situation for Hopkins and the idea he wanted a pay increase on his existing deal that the Cardinals appear to be willing to give to their new wide receiver.

"I think another part of it on trading for a player is also the difference about the new money and extending guys from a new-money perspective who have years remaining on their deal and what that costs versus just ripping up a contract – and I’m not trying to be specific to anyone here because I certainly don’t want to get tampering charges filed, just trying to give you more perspective."
 

spek

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Has there been any comments from OB, Cal, or Texans org about the Dhop trade? I live I the DFW area and haven't been keeping up with things since the end of ths season.
 

IDEXAN

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Bob is the talk of the town, lol.

Houston Texans fans may not have kind thoughts for head coach Bill O'Brien right now, but there are people around the NFL that have some level of respect for the newly promoted general manager's bold decision-making.

Conviction !
Hey Japanese pilots flying Zeros on Kamikaze missions and ISIS suicide bombers all had convictions if you think that's somhow impressive
either of which is a pretty good analogy of O'Brien apparent mission to sabotage the Texans organization of it's elite talent.
I don't want conviction I want judgement and wisdom and thougtfulness and consultation and communication with somebody who can
prevent O'Brien from crippling the teams roster.
 

zshawn10

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Bill O’Brien’s favorability rating among Texans fans took a dive when he traded DeAndre Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals. But understanding the pulse of a fan base requires knowing more than that, especially given the Texans’ unique power structure.

Do fans disapprove of O’Brien The Coach, or just O’Brien The GM? How confident are they that the man who empowered O’Brien, team chairman Cal McNair, will do a good job leading the franchise in the future? And if they have little faith in both men, do they trust quarterback Deshaun Watson to carry the Texans to a Super Bowl anyway?

The Athletic recently surveyed Texans fans to get answers to these questions and others. We’re not professional pollsters, but in the form of more than 300 responses, we received a closer look at an unhappy fan base.

Which best describes your feelings toward the Texans?

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Respondents answered this survey after the Hopkins trade, but it would’ve been interesting to see how differently they felt before that move, if at all. Dealing a superstar player in consecutive offseasons likely fuels the sense of resignation many fans appear to have.

How do you feel about the Texans’ current leadership structure?

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There’s a couple ways to look at these results: Fans are skeptical of an O’Brien-led organization, or they simply don’t believe coaches should hold as much power as O’Brien does. Perhaps some fans are also skeptical of the credentials of executive vice president of football operations Jack Easterby, who was previously the Patriots’ character coach and the Chiefs’ chaplain, but he operates behind the scenes and doesn’t meet with reporters. O’Brien is the face of the team and this era of Texans leadership.

What grade would you give O’Brien and the Texans’ front office since the team fired GM Brian Gaine?

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Forget O’Brien’s moves as GM. What grade would you give O’Brien for his most recent season as Texans head coach?

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On March 15, when the Texans agreed to re-sign cornerback Bradley Roby, a reader commented: “Pretty happy so far with GM BoB so far.. still early….”

That reader had no idea. A day later, Hopkins was no longer part of the Texans. And the segment of fans who thought O’Brien is a better general manager than coach appears to have faded — if it was even significant in the first place.

A sizable portion of respondents gave O’Brien a B for his work as a coach during the 2019 season. But only seven people gave the front office a B for its work since Gaine’s firing.

Which recent Texans trade do you dislike the most?

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Which recent Texans trade do you like the most?

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No surprise when it came to the least popular trade. But it’s interesting to see most likeable trade generated such mixed results.

The Carlos Hyde deal has plenty of fans, but I’d argue the trades for Gareon Conley and Duke Johnson brought back better value. Houston traded offensive lineman Martinas Rankin, a 2018 third-round pick, for one season of Hyde. The Texans gave up 2020 third-rounders for Johnson and Conley, but they’re under team control for at least one and two more seasons, respectively. Johnson could take over a bigger role in the offense this season, and Conley is one of the team’s top corners.
 

zshawn10

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Continued from above:

How many games do you think the Texans will win this season?

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The Texans have won 10-plus games each of the past two seasons and recorded at least nine victories in five of O’Brien’s six years in Houston, but based on these results, most fans don’t expect the team to make the playoffs.

Will Watson win a Super Bowl as Texans QB?

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Will Watson win a Super Bowl as Texans QB while O’Brien is his head coach?

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I’m surprised nearly half of respondents think Watson will never win a Super Bowl for the Texans. Yes, winning one is incredibly difficult and requires a million things to break a team’s way, but he’s also one of football’s best young quarterbacks. I wonder how much of the skepticism regarding whether Watson ever wins one is tied to the fact O’Brien will be his coach for the foreseeable future. Fans clearly have little confidence that pairing will be good enough to win a title.

Do you approve of the job Cal McNair has done as team chairman?

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Do you trust Cal McNair to run the franchise well moving forward?

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Since taking over as the leader of the franchise, McNair’s most significant decisions have been firing Gaine and promoting O’Brien to general manager. So these results are easy to understand. If fans don’t believe in O’Brien, then they probably don’t approve of McNair.
 

Max

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Bob is the talk of the town, lol.

Houston Texans fans may not have kind thoughts for head coach Bill O'Brien right now, but there are people around the NFL that have some level of respect for the newly promoted general manager's bold decision-making.

BOB's not afraid to be hated - there's something to be said for that. But he's ramped the pressure way up on himself to do better than what the team's already done with him (needs afccg or better). Cal doesn't seem like the type that can handle the hate like BOB can and Cal's tied his fate to BOB so I think BOB's days are limited if this team doesn't do well this year.


I will put a question out there to all, if BOB had gotten pick 32 instead of pick 40 would that have changed any of y'alls minds about the Nuk trade? Remember Nuk wanted to renegotiate his deal with THREE yrs left on his current deal.
32 and no bloated Johnson contract? Maybe. It's funny that people are trying to applaud BOB for shrewdness in the Hopkins deal and they ignore the part that they already had a shrewd contract w/ Hopkins and they traded it for a bad one w/ Johnson. There isn't a financial angle you can look at this from to give BOB good marks on the deal.
 
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steelbtexan

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BOB's not afraid to be hated - there's something to be said for that. But he's ramped the pressure way up on himself to do better than what the team's already done with him (needs afccg or better). Cal doesn't seem like the type that can handle the hate like BOB can and Cal's tied his fate to BOB so I think BOB's days are limited if this team doesn't do well this year.


32 and no bloated Johnson contract? Maybe. It's funny that people are trying to applaud BOB for shrewdness in the Hopkins deal and they ignore the part that they already had a shrewd contract w/ Hopkins and they traded it for a bad one w/ Johnson. There isn't a financial angle you can look at this from to give BOB good marks on the deal.
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Your point is?
 

steelbtexan

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BOB's not afraid to be hated - there's something to be said for that. But he's ramped the pressure way up on himself to do better than what the team's already done with him (needs afccg or better). Cal doesn't seem like the type that can handle the hate like BOB can and Cal's tied his fate to BOB so I think BOB's days are limited if this team doesn't do well this year.


32 and no bloated Johnson contract? Maybe. It's funny that people are trying to applaud BOB for shrewdness in the Hopkins deal and they ignore the part that they already had a shrewd contract w/ Hopkins and they traded it for a bad one w/ Johnson. There isn't a financial angle you can look at this from to give BOB good marks on the deal.
The Johnson deal is really only a 1 yr deal.

Nuk has 3yrs and want even more $$$$ yrs.
 

surfintexas

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Anybody else besides myself interested in investing some greenbacks in a local billboard expressing our sentiments about O'Brien ?
Good chance something like that would spread a message that would go from local to regional and then with some national pub I'd think ? ESPN & others would pick it up.
Maybe that kind of negative pub would finally wake up the McNairs ?
I am interested.
 

thunderkyss

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I will put a question out there to all, if BOB had gotten pick 32 instead of pick 40 would that have changed any of y'alls minds about the Nuk trade? Remember Nuk wanted to renegotiate his deal with THREE yrs left on his current deal.
First I think the Texans need to deal with players sitting out. It's part of the deal. We can't let players threaten a hold out, then roll out the red carpet.

A skilled GM should be able to sell ice cubes to Eskimos & find a win-win situation.

That said, we're talking about $4M/yr. I'd just as soon paid him $4M/yr than to gamble on David Johnson.

Don't get me wrong, if David Johnson can be that guy he was two years ago, BO'bs a genius. But right now, he's going all in with a pair of deuces hoping the river is another 2.
 

mussop

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The Johnson deal is really only a 1 yr deal.

Nuk has 3yrs and want even more $$$$ yrs.
Don’t leave out the fact that one is a perennial all pro in the prime of his career and one is looking like he’s at the end of his career.
 
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Double Barrel

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Apparently this guy never read Texans Talk for the most staunchest O'Brien supports of all. Even crazier than the Fresno Mafia that used to defend David Carr at all costs to logic and reason.

Capt Ron made a great comment on that tweet: "Nothing like hanging a division banner, and then tearing it down 6 days later after getting embarrassed at home by division rival Colts in the WC game (2018). Or blown off your home field 30-0 by KC in the WC game (2015). Or up 24-0 and lose 51-31 KC in Div game (2019)."His way!"

Wave those pom poms!
 

steelbtexan

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Asshole is subjective. Intention is hard to prove. Unless blatantly obvious to everyone your argument is weak

Don’t leave out the fact that one is a perennial all pro in the prime of his career and one is looking like he’s at
the end of his career.
Blatantly weak ? Disagree

He's 29 without injury to his limbs. I'm ok with taking a chance on a guy with talent who had a couple of bad seasons for the reasons that have already been listed and getting pick 40
 

mussop

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Blatantly weak ? Disagree

He's 29 without injury to his limbs. I'm ok with taking a chance on a guy with talent who had a couple of bad seasons for the reasons that have already been listed and getting pick 40
That was a combination of two different post. sorry! the first two sentence were a completely different subject.

I fixed it.

what reasons that were listed? The only one I could find is that he was fazed out of Kingsberry's offense. WHY??? His skill set should of been perfect for that offense. The reports Ive read are that he just doesn't hit the hole hard anymore. just doesn't have it. Still good in the passing game but hell OB does't know how to use a back like that. Hes not going to give us what Hyde did in the run game and we already have Jonson as a third down back. We better pick up a RB in the draft. I really like Akers and Moss if either are there in the mid or later rounds.
 

steelbtexan

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That was a combination of two different post. sorry! the first two sentence were a completely different subject.

I fixed it.

what reasons that were listed? The only one I could find is that he was fazed out of Kingsberry's offense. WHY??? His skill set should of been perfect for that offense. The reports Ive read are that he just doesn't hit the hole hard anymore. just doesn't have it. Still good in the passing game but hell OB does't know how to use a back like that. Hes not going to give us what Hyde did in the run game and we already have Jonson as a third down back. We better pick up a RB in the draft. I really like Akers and Moss if either are there in the mid or later rounds.
Hopefully he will hit the hole hard again since his NFL future depends on how he performs this yr.

2018- Broken Wrist
2019- Fell out of favor with Kingsbury.
 

JB

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Hopefully he will hit the hole hard again since his NFL future depends on how he performs this yr.

2018- Broken Wrist
2019- Fell out of favor with Kingsbury.
Maybe he fell out of favor because his wrist didn't heal properly along with Drake coming on?
 

OptimisticTexan

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Hopefully he will hit the hole hard again since his NFL future depends on how he performs this yr.

2018- Broken Wrist
2019- Fell out of favor with Kingsbury.
He was on the verge of getting his outright release until Captain Underpants showed up and saved the Cardinals by taking him and his entire salary off their hands.

The Spread or Run-N-Shoot offense is taylor-made for a RB like Johnson.....he just couldn't compete. There's one thing we'll know for sure during Pre-season, can he still hit the hole between G's with any kind of authority. For me, I'm not counting on Johnson being able to do this so I would make sure RB, AJ Dillon (Boston College) was the only back I drafted in 2020. He has the requisite size and speed to be exactly what OB needs in the backfield too go along with his expensive and not so expensive 3rd down receiving backs. Higdon could be that change of pace RB who could get the ball around the corner.
 
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steelbtexan

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He was on the verge of getting his outright release until Captain Underpants showed up and saved the Cardinals by taking him and his complete salary off their hands.

The Spread or Run-N-Shoot offense is taylor-made for a RB like Johnson.....he just couldn't compete. There's one thing we'll know for sure during Pre-season, can he still hit the hole between G's with any kind of authority. For me, I'm not counting on Johnson being able to do this so I would make sure RB, AJ Dillon (Boston College) was the only back I drafted in 2020. He has the requisite size and speed to be exactly what OB needs in the backfield too go along with his expensive and not so expensive 3rd down receiving backs. Higdon could be that change of pace RB who could get the ball around the corner.
You don't know this for sure and what's wrong with a little optimism?

Higdon will be lucky to make the team. Maybe he makes the PS again.
 

OptimisticTexan

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You don't know this for sure and what's wrong with a little optimism?

Higdon will be lucky to make the team. Maybe he makes the PS again.
If OB had really wanted to target Johnson as the RB he could see helping his system.....simply wait and let the Cardinals dump him, which is what was going to happen. Cardinals had no need for his contract to be sitting on the bench and his talent deteriorated to the point that they were no longer giving him many touches.

In the end, OB could've waited, Johnson gets dumped and OB could swoop in without any competition and sign him to a 1 year veterans minimum or a 1 year prove-it type of contract. No way in hell is Johnson a 11.2M dollar RB and I'm 100% certain there are 31 other GM's would agree with me.
 

steelbtexan

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If OB had really wanted to target Johnson as the RB he could see helping his system.....simply wait and let the Cardinals dump him, which is what was going to happen. Cardinals had no need for his contract to be sitting on the bench and his talent deteriorated to the point that they were no longer giving him many touches.

In the end, OB could've waited, Johnson gets dumped and OB could swoop in without any competition and sign him to a 1 year veterans minimum or a 1 year prove-it type of contract. No way in hell is Johnson a 11.2M dollar RB and I'm 100% certain there are 31 other GM's would agree with me.
Once again you don't know that he was going to be dumped and it's possible DJ could bounce back although unlikely. At this point I choose to remain optimistic.
 

thunderkyss

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If OB had really wanted to target Johnson as the RB he could see helping his system.....simply wait and let the Cardinals dump him, which is what was going to happen.
Playing devil's advocate here. I don't like the trade.

But in your scenario how is that a win for Hopkins? Part of this deal, whether we like it or not, was to get Hopkins a new contract.
 

JB

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Which didn't have to be done like there was an imminent deadline at the doorstep. He was under contract, a team friendly one at that, for 3 more years.
That apparently DHop was more and more unhappy with and starting to cause a disturbance in the locker room
 

JB

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n the end, OB could've waited, Johnson gets dumped and OB could swoop in without any competition and sign him to a 1 year veterans minimum or a 1 year prove-it type of contract. No way in hell is Johnson a 11.2M dollar RB and I'm 100% certain there are 31 other GM's would agree with me.
You really don't know that DJ was going to be released outright prior to TC and the thought that the Texans would have no competition in signing him as a FA is ludicrous
 

Texansballer74

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Has there been any proof of this disturbance? IF Hopkins was causing such a disturbance, why was he the one player getting O'Brien away from the "you suck too" fan?

After the trade a Houston reporter said there was a little beef going on between Hop and Bill. Crazy how it didn't come out after we got humiliated yet again in the playoffs.
 

JB

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Has there been any proof of this disturbance? IF Hopkins was causing such a disturbance, why was he the one player getting O'Brien away from the "you suck too" fan?
All rumour, but didn't word come out last year that he was unhappy and wanted Julio Jones money?
 

Earl34

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All rumour, but didn't word come out last year that he was unhappy and wanted Julio Jones money?
I didn't hear or read any rumors. Even with Andre Johnson, from time to time you heard rumors about a new contract from him or his uncle. With Hopkins, I didn't hear/read anything about him wanting a new contract or being disruptive in the locker room.

In fact the only time I can recall thinking "hmm" about Hopkins was after a game where he averaged less than 10 yard per catch and he made a comment about being used like Edelman in the slot. Otherwise, nothing else comes to mind. I guess that's why the trade came as a shock to so many.
 

JB

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I didn't hear or read any rumors. Even with Andre Johnson, from time to time you heard rumors about a new contract from him or his uncle. With Hopkins, I didn't hear/read anything about him wanting a new contract or being disruptive in the locker room.

In fact the only time I can recall thinking "hmm" about Hopkins was after a game where he averaged less than 10 yard per catch and he made a comment about being used like Edelman in the slot. Otherwise, nothing else comes to mind. I guess that's why the trade came as a shock to so many.
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