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Speedy

Yeller Dweller
I'm talking about the post trade to Miami plan, Houston was never going to resign Clowney, he wanted paid more than he was worth. So yeah when they tried to trade him and couldn't at that point he was pissed and could have been a locker room problem.
Oh yeah, agree with that. Once they screwed the pooch then you probably have to do something. Well, something except what they did.
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
Alright, you can have the last word. I’m not remotely interested in a back and forth with you on this, or any subject for that matter. It always leads to a dead end.
Truth hurts sometimes

How many years are you willing to give him before you admit the obvious? Not looking for an argument, just looking for a time frame.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
It's not like they don't have picks and cap space to improve.
1. The teams the Texans faced this year all have injured players that will come back. The Texans have uncertainty with Watt and a lesser JJo who might even retired.
2. The other teams will have more picks so in theory, they will improve more, negating any improvement the Texans may or may not make. Obviously teams can waste away all their picks like the Texans did in 2014. It's not like the Texans last draft was anything to write home about.
3. Lots of cap space will be spent on Watson, and Mr. False Start if you're the GM and the Texans still have a lot of holes to fill and a lot of thíngs to decide on regarding their own players.
 

OptimisticTexan

Hall of Fame
I think Brown was more of a Rick Smith not negotiating his contract before the season. He was willing to play, just wanted a new contract.

OB probably didn’t help though.
I believe the only thing Brown was looking for was the backend of his contract to be guaranteed. That should've been a no-brainer for the organization since he was one of the top LT's in the game and Watson was a rookie.
 

banned1976

American
1. The teams the Texans faced this year all have injured players that will come back. The Texans have uncertainty with Watt and a lesser JJo who might even retired.
2. The other teams will have more picks so in theory, they will improve more, negating any improvement the Texans may or may not make. Obviously teams can waste away all their picks like the Texans did in 2014. It's not like the Texans last draft was anything to write home about.
3. Lots of cap space will be spent on Watson, and Mr. False Start if you're the GM and the Texans still have a lot of holes to fill and a lot of thíngs to decide on regarding their own players.
It kind of reminds me of backlash in a baitcast reel. Now someone has to come in and untangle the mess the previous GM’s (I’m including Gaine) created.

And let’s not forget, Gaine was a guy O’Brien wanted. So in 18 months O’Brien got...
The GM he wanted
That general manager fired
Himself made general manager
The LT he wanted
Rid of multiple premium picks for players in short term contracts.

All of this for one of the most embarrassing Houston professional sports drubbing.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
If you're Texans ownership, and your coach says they made a suboptimal decision to go for a FG on fourth and 1 because HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A PLAY TO CALL, don't you wonder if you have the right guy?
This is my issue with OB.

I have no issue kicking the FG at that point. Keep scoring points, no problem.

My issue is that he said “I didn’t have a play I felt good about.” Or something like that. How the heck does your HC/OC NOT have a play call to feel good about?? The defense you’re goin against isn’t the 85 Bears. AND you’ve got Watson with the ball in his hands. Hopkins, Hyde, Duke, Fuller, Fells, Stills, etc.... HOW can you not have a play you “feel good about”?? ONE YARD OB, one yard!
And they called a timeout prior if I remember correctly.
This is a huge concern with OB.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
This is my issue with OB.

I have no issue kicking the FG at that point. Keep scoring points, no problem.

My issue is that he said “I didn’t have a play I felt good about.” Or something like that. How the heck does your HC/OC NOT have a play call to feel good about?? The defense you’re goin against isn’t the 85 Bears. AND you’ve got Watson with the ball in his hands. Hopkins, Hyde, Duke, Fuller, Fells, Stills, etc.... HOW can you not have a play you “feel good about”?? ONE YARD OB, one yard!
And they called a timeout prior if I remember correctly.
This is a huge concern with OB.
Lol he said he didn’t have a good play for that 4th and 1. Too freaking funny
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
We’re talking about the smartest guy in the room. The quarterback whisperer with the creative gem we’ve never seen before. And you couldn’t draw up a creative play.
Confidence: how do you expect your players to exhibit confidence when you don’t have it.
This team’s identity is that of their head coach
 

santo

All Pro
Contributor's Club
This is my issue with OB.

I have no issue kicking the FG at that point. Keep scoring points, no problem.

My issue is that he said “I didn’t have a play I felt good about.” Or something like that. How the heck does your HC/OC NOT have a play call to feel good about?? The defense you’re goin against isn’t the 85 Bears. AND you’ve got Watson with the ball in his hands. Hopkins, Hyde, Duke, Fuller, Fells, Stills, etc.... HOW can you not have a play you “feel good about”?? ONE YARD OB, one yard!
And they called a timeout prior if I remember correctly.
This is a huge concern with OB.
This has always been a concern. His slow decision making, lack of hurry up plays, and time management finally came to bite him in the worse possible way.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
OB coached the 4th quarter as if he was enjoying a comfortable lead.....WHERE THE HELL WAS THE URGENCY? Has this man ever run a 2-Minute No-Huddle Offense? They huddled up every dammed play.....maybe he was under the impression that he could finally cash-in on his cache of TO's not used during the season.
He didn’t want the Chiefs to drop 60 on them.
I would keep the ST Coach, he earned his pay check today, but no one else seemed to.
I agree. But I would have him go tell OB, hey coach why are we kicking to this guy? He’s fast AF! Let’s kick it out of the end zone!
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
It kind of reminds me of backlash in a baitcast reel. Now someone has to come in and untangle the mess the previous GM’s (I’m including Gaine) created.

And let’s not forget, Gaine was a guy O’Brien wanted. So in 18 months O’Brien got...
The GM he wanted
That general manager fired
Himself made general manager
The LT he wanted
Rid of multiple premium picks for players in short term contracts.

All of this for one of the most embarrassing Houston professional sports drubbing.
This is a false narrative.

Gaine was who Bob McNair wanted.
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
I have no clue how players can rally around O'Brien after yesterday's brainfarts. Whether it was not going for it up 21-0 and a shot at the jugular (so it seemed)...but that fake punt call, with The Chiefs already sniffing it, was beyond awful, it was unforgivable. He's gotta go.
It was bad and if you're willing to do this, you should be willing to go for it on 4th and 1
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I have no clue how players can rally around O'Brien after yesterday's brainfarts. Whether it was not going for it up 21-0 and a shot at the jugular (so it seemed)...but that fake punt call, with The Chiefs already sniffing it, was beyond awful, it was unforgivable. He's gotta go.
There was a brief showing of the players' face near the end of the first half. They looked like they've already lost the game.
 

otisbean

Veteran
Contributor's Club
You can't see a trend?
I see a trend of OB getting completely out classed in the playoffs, the Chiefs, The Colts and the Chiefs again. Heck I’d even put the first half of the Bills game on that list. None of those games were even close. I see a trend of us having terrible performances after good wins this season. I see a trend of OB making poor decisions during games. At this point OB has proven he’s a mediocre at best HC. It sickens me to see young HC coaches in Vrabel, LaFluer and Shanahan completely outcoach OB
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
I see a trend of OB getting completely out classed in the playoffs, the Chiefs, The Colts and the Chiefs again. Heck I’d even put the first half of the Bills game on that list. None of those games were even close. I see a trend of us having terrible performances after good wins this season. I see a trend of OB making poor decisions during games. At this point OB has proven he’s a mediocre at best HC. It sickens me to see young HC coaches in Vrabel, LaFluer and Shanahan completely outcoach OB
Yes, he's a middling HC.

Yes, DW4 hasn't made much progress in 3yrs.

Didn't the Texans beat Vrabels Titans a month ago?
 

otisbean

Veteran
Contributor's Club
Didn't the Texans beat Vrabels Titans a month ago?
Yep but Vrabel just took his guys into Baltimore and whooped there ass while OB got curbed stomped when we played them. Vrabel just beat NE in NE which OB has never done

I’d also add Vrabel was smart enough to hire competent coordinators, one of which took a mediocre QB in RT and now has him playing at a very high level
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
Yep but Vrabel just took his guys into Baltimore and whooped there ass while OB got curbed stomped when we played them. Vrabel just NE in NE which OB has never done
Just pointing out BOB isn't as bad as some make him out to be.

Meanwhile that sucky Tannehill is going to an AFCCG.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
You can't see a trend?
I’ve been called out the trend and that’s Bill O’Brien. You can’t expect these players to flourish with an unstable minded head coach/OC. We’re talking about 6 years of the same madness. And here you are talking about a trend with Watson. Unbelievable, in three years in spite of Bill O’Brien this youngster has still thrown for well over 9000 yards 71 Touchdowns with 29 interceptions. The youngster will improve because he’s a student of the game. Mr. Smith has only bern here a year, so give him his due diligence. Rome wasn’t built overnight. Therefore, stop claiming he won’t improve. Coach Smith will handle up.
One last note: O’Brien has to change.
 
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Just pointing out BOB isn't as bad as some make him out to be.

Meanwhile that sucky Tannehill is going to an AFCCG.
Who cares? He hit his ceiling yesterday. That's the problem. Vrabel has as many playoff wins as this loser AND done in on the road twice something B'OB hasn't done with or without Watson.

Okay he's a slightly above average HC. Yay, thanks for the division titles and embarrassing playoff losses Bill. Keep on making all the decisions, being HC and OC being overwhelmed, outcoached and embarrassing this team and franchise.

But that's okay because in the SIX years this loser has been making the same mistakes its Deshaun Watson's fault after 2 full seasons and 2.5 seasons worth of games. That's the root of six years of absolute slightly above average garbage
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Who cares? He hit his ceiling yesterday.
This. The field goal and fake punt sealed it. If you watch the video replay you can see Watson just perplexed by his play call. Then OB forced to take time out. Then Hopkins standing in front of as OB searched through his play calls looking for something to call. You can tell at that point and time he was looking at his menu of plays but it was all gibberish to him. The moment was too big for him.
 

TexCanada

All Pro
I was fine with the decision to take the 3 points at 21-0, but it's ridiculous that the reasoning is he didn't have a good play.

The fake punt is inexcusable. You have to think of the risk vs reward in these situations, and the risk was enormous with little payoff. Even if we convert that, we only have the ball at our own 40 or so, far from automatically putting points on the board. The risk was a complete reversal of momentum. Giving them a short field after just having scored on a short field is pure stupidity.
 

Bluehen Texan

Practice Squad
If anything he should have challenged it to see if it was a first down. He wasted a timeout anyway.
. Very good point. IF his hesitation was do to considering challenging the spot why didn’t he actually challenge instead of just blowing a timeout.
If you're Texans ownership, and your coach says they made a suboptimal decision to go for a FG on fourth and 1 because HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A PLAY TO CALL, don't you wonder if you have the right guy?
In the presser after OB stated that he hesitated because he was considering challenging the spot.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
Yes, he's a middling HC.

Yes, DW4 hasn't made much progress in 3yrs.

Didn't the Texans beat Vrabels Titans a month ago?
Bill O'Brien does some thing well. However, he appears unwilling to acknowledge the things he does not do well. His ineptness of game day management is the clearest example. My concern is that he continues to add responsibilities (GM) without growth and without realizing he needs to delegate play-calling, clock management, etc... I am expecting the organization to implode this off-season, leading to a 2013 like season and forced rebuild. I just don't see how O'Brien is capable of leading the organization through all the player personnel decisions forthcoming in free agency and the draft and also making improvements to the coaching staff where they are needed.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
This. The field goal and fake punt sealed it. If you watch the video replay you can see Watson just perplexed by his play call. Then OB forced to take time out. Then Hopkins standing in front of as OB searched through his play calls looking for something to call. You can tell at that point and time he was looking at his menu of plays but it was all gibberish to him. The moment was too big for him.
This. This, This, This.....

It's not that he's terrible at everything. He can't be batting around .500 by being an angry block of wood. He's just a coordinator (at best) trying to do everything himself and it's impossible to ignore.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was

How many more times do the Texans need to see this?
Once again, Bill O’Brien showed that he’s not the right coach to lead the Texans to the next level. The Chiefs were undoubtedly the more talented team during Sunday’s game, but O’Brien made two baffling decisions that would’ve helped the Texans’ chances of opening an even bigger lead.
Up 21-0 early in the second quarter, Houston had a chance to expand that lead to four touchdowns with a fourth and one from Kansas City’s 13-yard line. Deshaun Watson and a host of talented skill players, including Deandre Hopkins, just needed to gain one yard.
Look. Patrick Mahomes is on the other side of the field. A million receivers that run a 4.3 40-yard dash are on the other side of the field. They have playcallers in Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy that can get receivers open with ease against any coverage look a defense throws out. They will score touchdowns. This was the perfect time for Houston to pour it on after they lucked into a 21-0 lead due to multiple special teams errors.

Instead, the Texans kicked a field goal, with just one yard to go for a first down, with just 13 yards to go for a touchdown! To make things worse, O’Brien initially appeared to be willing to go for it, but called a timeout to bring the field goal team out — his second timeout in three plays. He wasted two timeouts on a drive that ended with a 31-yard field goal to make their lead 24-0.
The next three plays for Kansas City? A 58-yard return by rookie return man Mecole Hardman, a 25-yard pass to Travis Kelce, and a 17-yard touchdown pass to Damien Williams. It took just 59 seconds to cut Houston’s lead from 24 to 17.
Houston’s next drive is where their lead really started to fall apart. Houston opened up their drive with two straight runs up the middle with Carlos Hyde, which netted six yards, and an incomplete pass to Will Fuller.
On fourth and four on their own 31, Houston elected for a fake punt where they snapped the ball directly to safety Justin Reid and he gained two yards. Kansas City scored a touchdown three plays later.

Really? That’s the spot O’Brien chose to be aggressive in?
Honestly, the fake punt was almost executed to perfection. Reid had an open lane to the right and just had to make one man miss to pick up the first down. He couldn’t, though, because he doesn’t have much experience running the football.
If you’re going to give the ball back to most explosive offense of the last two years, why not make them go the length of the field instead of just 33 yards?
What happened next was maybe inevitable. Kansas City scored two touchdowns in their next five offensive plays; 24-0 became 28-24 in ten minutes of game time.

If O’Brien were competent, there’s no guarantee that would have been enough to win.
But he’s not, and they had no chance of winning.
Opting for field goals over touchdowns and giving Kansas City short fields is asking for a loss. O’Brien is exactly good enough to take the Texans to the wild card round and the occasional divisional round. It’s time for Houston to ask if he’s the right guy to take Watson and the rest of the team any further.
Yesterday, the answer to that question was a resounding no.
 

bigmck

Rookie
I have no clue how players can rally around O'Brien after yesterday's brainfarts. Whether it was not going for it up 21-0 and a shot at the jugular (so it seemed)...but that fake punt call, with The Chiefs already sniffing it, was beyond awful, it was unforgivable. He's gotta go.
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