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Finally, unvarnished Jeff Fisher ruining VY

I really dont think anyone really cares about this cry baby, never-was, and never will-be.

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TripleTap said:
I was a Vince Young fan when he came out. I was there for the first two years. He was destroyed by Fisher, who is a nasty piece of work, as is finally demonstrated in this piece. Young has himself to blame, too, but this part about Fisher has not been much talked about.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...opment-jeff-fisher/1u30v2eaywik11gyrxhl3goska
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I guess I must have missed it but where are these quotes by that "nasty piece of work" Fisher where he destroyed VY? I saw some quotes from Norm Chow where he said VY was spoiled. Here is the quote: “Obviously, he had been spoiled,” Chow says. “He wasn’t willing to put in that extra study that sets quarterbacks apart. He didn’t lean on Kerry. He wasn’t a bad guy—heck, he was 23 years old. He was . . . pampered, coddled, whatever word you want to use.” Other than Fisher leaving VY on the tarmac when he was late for the team plane even though he called ahead(I wonder what O'Brien would have done. :thinking:) I don't think he did anything that most of the other NFL head coaches wouldn't have done. I don't think Bill Belicheat coddles his players, do you? I don't think he even coddles Brady. But, even if he did, Brady has 5 Super Bowl rings and puts in the extra work that sets him apart!

People can blame Fisher all they want but to me this all comes down to VY and his attitude. Sure Fisher and Chow didn't want him (That's the curse of having "Bud" as your owner I guess.) but VY could have won them over, like Watson is doing with the Texans, by studying, putting in the extra time, and taking advice from the veteran QB's and the coaches. JMO.
 
VY is a lot like Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel in that they are all one trick ponies that would never have the skills and/or mindset to succeed as NFL QBs.

That one trick works in college where there is a lot of diluted talent, but in the pros, that one trick gets figured out quickly and you had better learn new tricks if you want a career.
 
Double Barrel said:
VY is a lot like Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel in that they are all one trick ponies that would never have the skills and/or mindset to succeed as NFL QBs.

That one trick works in college where there is a lot of diluted talent, but in the pros, that one trick gets figured out quickly and you had better learn new tricks if you want a career.
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yeah but I think VY and Manziel had the ability to be productive but lacked the maturity and commitment. Tebow had the desire and right attitude but woefully deficient in his ability to play QB.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
yeah but I think VY and Manziel had the ability to be productive but lacked the maturity and commitment. Tebow had the desire and right attitude but woefully deficient in his ability to play QB.
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I think all three were limited by their inability to be consistently accurate with passing the ball, and VY & Manziel had the added burden of also being mentally unhinged.

The pure zone-read-option QBs are just another fading fad in the NFL like the wildcat. Those that can zone read but also pass the ball have a shot at success.
 
I think I am about as sympathetic to Young as I can be without going into full blown VY retard mode.

Yeah I do strongly believe that if he had a coach and OC that actually wanted him it's possible that he could have had a different career trajectory, but it's completely his fault that his career ended up the way it did. He never progressed as a QB on the field and he didn't mature as a person off the field. His failures in inbred land aside, after Tennessee he had chances to get his career back on track and to at least be a long time back up. He failed to capitalize.

I didn't read the article, and I don't keep up with VY but I'd hope there's a quote out there from him owning up to the role he played in his own failures.
 
So, Vince Young didn't walk into the greatest team ever and should be excused for being too lazy, stupid and conceited to be a quarterback? Fisher and the Titans' staff are at fault for giving Vince everything possible for him to run himself into notability (like the similarly can't find a team Kaepernick), which weakened the team and got Fisher fired? HE WAS CARRIED (not destroyed) BY FISHER. Had he been drafted by a better team Vince never would've seen the field. Had he spent time under Kubiak or Reid or any major offensive coach (being drafted in the 2-3rd round where he belonged) ... he likely doesn't make the squad because he can't learn the playbook. If the blame even in the smallest degree belonged to coaches, Vince would still be playing. He's not, because coaches aren't obligated to cater to his stupidity like Fisher was. Vince is the same as Manziel - a product of a college system that is built on exploiting playground talent - best players on offense, spread it out and score a million points. Don't teach, don't coach, don't discipline ... enable and get paid.

Players have been convicted of every wrong - physical and chemical, and if they have worth to a team are reinstated after punishment. A man has literally blown his hand off in an explosion and still returned to be an effective starter. Yet a 6'5" super-athlete cant get a job in the Canadian league because the losingest coach of all time didn't like him? This is where Vince-homers go to die.
 
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I believe that Young could have developed into a good quarterback if he had allowed skill to catch up with his talent. IMO it was obvious that he wasn't Fishers choice and he wasn't happy with being overruled by the owner. What Vince and advisor with experience another huge mistake influence him on how to work through the situation and either win Fisher over or let him expose himself as a vindictive coach. Unfortunately, Vince allowed his emotions to sabotage his career.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think I am about as sympathetic to Young as I can be without going into full blown VY retard mode.

Yeah I do strongly believe that if he had a coach and OC that actually wanted him it's possible that he could have had a different career trajectory, but it's completely his fault that his career ended up the way it did. He never progressed as a QB on the field and he didn't mature as a person off the field. His failures in inbred land aside, after Tennessee he had chances to get his career back on track and to at least be a long time back up. He failed to capitalize.

I didn't read the article, and I don't keep up with VY but I'd hope there's a quote out there from him owning up to the role he played in his own failures.
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Big VY fan here.

His career was pretty sad overall.

I couldn't help but think of him and what was going through his head when Cam Newton beat Seattle to go to the SB. He was that guy. It should have been him. I know that's what he was thinking and having to choke on and swallow. If only he would have done this or that or that would have happened. Then to make matters worse he squandered his fortune and was left with very little money and a job he didn't even deserve at Texas. I'll always root for the guy, but the way he managed himself and his career was his own doing.
 
StarStruck said:
I believe that Young could have developed into a good quarterback if he had allowed skill to catch up with his talent. IMO it was obvious that he wasn't Fishers choice and he wasn't happy with being overruled by the owner. What Vince and advisor with experience another huge mistake influence him on how to work through the situation and either win Fisher over or let him expose himself as a vindictive coach. Unfortunately, Vince allowed his emotions to sabotage his career.
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A guy that's just dumb as a box of rocks.

I'm a UT fan too, but I can admit this.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think I am about as sympathetic to Young as I can be without going into full blown VY retard mode.

Yeah I do strongly believe that if he had a coach and OC that actually wanted him it's possible that he could have had a different career trajectory, but it's completely his fault that his career ended up the way it did. He never progressed as a QB on the field and he didn't mature as a person off the field. His failures in inbred land aside, after Tennessee he had chances to get his career back on track and to at least be a long time back up. He failed to capitalize.

I didn't read the article, and I don't keep up with VY but I'd hope there's a quote out there from him owning up to the role he played in his own failures.
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Great post.

This is exactly how I feel about VY's career.

Atleast we dont have to listen to the VY fanboys at NRG anymore.
 
Insideop said:
I guess I must have missed it but where are these quotes by that "nasty piece of work" Fisher where he destroyed VY? I saw some quotes from Norm Chow where he said VY was spoiled. Here is the quote: “Obviously, he had been spoiled,” Chow says. “He wasn’t willing to put in that extra study that sets quarterbacks apart. He didn’t lean on Kerry. He wasn’t a bad guy—heck, he was 23 years old. He was . . . pampered, coddled, whatever word you want to use.” Other than Fisher leaving VY on the tarmac when he was late for the team plane even though he called ahead(I wonder what O'Brien would have done. :thinking:) I don't think he did anything that most of the other NFL head coaches wouldn't have done. I don't think Bill Belicheat coddles his players, do you? I don't think he even coddles Brady. But, even if he did, Brady has 5 Super Bowl rings and puts in the extra work that sets him apart!

People can blame Fisher all they want but to me this all comes down to VY and his attitude. Sure Fisher and Chow didn't want him (That's the curse of having "Bud" as your owner I guess.) but VY could have won them over, like Watson is doing with the Texans, by studying, putting in the extra time, and taking advice from the veteran QB's and the coaches. JMO.
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Agreed,

Hopefully Watson is doing what you say he's doing and is a quick study.
 
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I wish Gary Kubiak had a chance to coach Vince Young. I think the two of them could have done some great things together here in Houston. We chose Mario Williams. A lot of people wanted us to draft Reggie Bush number one. I was young and naive at the time, but now I realize how important the quarterback position actually is.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I wish Gary Kubiak had a chance to coach Vince Young. I think the two of them could have done some great things together here in Houston. We chose Mario Williams. A lot of people wanted us to draft Reggie Bush number one. I was young and naive at the time, but now I realize how important the quarterback position actually is.
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Ummm no... I hear what you are saying but Kubiak would have had no patience for Young. One or both would have been gone before 2010 was done
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I wish Gary Kubiak had a chance to coach Vince Young. I think the two of them could have done some great things together here in Houston. We chose Mario Williams. A lot of people wanted us to draft Reggie Bush number one. I was young and naive at the time, but now I realize how important the quarterback position actually is.
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An athlete LIKE Vince Young certainly would be interesting. Dude was physical perfection. Vince Young himself wouldn't have made the squad (without management interference). Even an offense as 'simple' (not that simple) as Kubiak's where reads are often very linear and a lineman is usually making their adjustments, VY just didn't have the grey matter to survive. Fisher and Chow were forced into a situation by management where they had to dumb it down to almost backyard football and see how long it would last ... it didn't.

This is a results business, money is king. If anyone thought Vince could win games he would be playing. He had a shot with seemingly half the league and nobody wanted him.
 
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JB said:
Ummm no... I hear what you are saying but Kubiak would have had no patience for Young. One or both would have been gone before 2010 was done
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Yep.. even Peyton butted heads with Kubiak over the amount of freedoms he had in his system. VY would've been spoon fed a dummied down version here and wouldn't of been able to ad lib back there.
 
From the OP's link - they then very quickly link to a recent VY article. This is the mind of a winner ...

The more Young talks, though, the less clear it is how far along he is in this transformation. Occasionally he sounds like the young man some of his old coaches describe as lacking self-awareness, as when he explains that he’s applied to trademark the phrase Make Vince Great Again. He says he sent a text message to the pregnant Serena Williams joking about how “that should be my baby.” Even when he exposes his vulnerabilities, revealing that he’s barely watched any football since he retired, he can’t help but say, “I’d see a quarterback and be like, Dude is garbage, and I’m over here in the kitchen cooking turkey necks!?” He’s reminded that the Cardinals recently signed Blaine Gabbert, a first-round failure who never achieved Young’s success, and he pounces: “Exactly. I hate to name-drop, but [Ryan] Fitzpatrick is still playing!? He leads the league in interceptions, and he’s still f------ getting paid? I mean, what the f--- is going on?” (Fitzpatrick was third in picks last year, but Young has a point.)

For a guy who topped out at 12 passing touchdowns in a season (11 years ago), it's kind of weird to go after a guy who threw 31 (for the friggin Jets) just a couple seasons ago.

Edit: date of the article is new, but re-reading this either I'm having deja vu or those quotes are pretty old (neither would surprise me). The result doesn't actually change the outcome of this post, just the credibility of the dude who wrote the article.
 
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The whole story reads like a guy full of regret. He regrets that he didn't have his head on straight, regrets that he did not take full advantage of the privilege of playing in the NFL, and most likely full of regret that he squandered and / or lost tens of millions of dollars that should have set him up for life.

And regret, being a negative emotion, often turns into bitterness, anger, and pointing fingers in order to avoid full accountability for yourself.
 
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