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Maddict5

Maddict5

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No,im not talkin about the Mario Williams selection, im talkin about some of these 'fans' we supposedly have. Just logged on since yesterday and looked at some of the threads in this forum. I wanted reggie aswell but guess what Kubiak etc. thought Mario was better for this team. Il accept their better judgement over mine, and not throw a hissy fit just because they didn't get the player i wanted. Whats worse is that these 'fans' that are complaining at the moment were probably telling the VY fans 1 month back that they weren't real texans fans. Well i can say the VY fans were never as bad as some of what ive seen here just now:twocents:
 
Maddict5 said:
No,im not talkin about the Mario Williams selection, im talkin about some of these 'fans' we supposedly have. Just logged on since yesterday and looked at some of the threads in this forum. I wanted reggie aswell but guess what Kubiak etc. thought Mario was better for this team. Il accept their better judgement over mine, and not throw a hissy fit just because they didn't get the player i wanted. Whats worse is that these 'fans' that are complaining at the moment were probably telling the VY fans 1 month back that they weren't real texans fans. Well i can say the VY fans were never as bad as some of what ive seen here just now:twocents:
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So what your saying is that if you want to be a "fan" you can't have any opinion about this team that differs from the front office views. Give me a break. We can complain if we want. Fact is fact the greater majority of the "fans" of the Texans hate this pick and if you don't like it you can take the same advice as you MW supporters have been giviing everybody else and leave.:homer:
 
I slept for a couple of hours in hopes that I would feel better about this pick. Unfortunately, I only feel worse...I guess that makes me a bad fan.
 
Maddict5 said:
I wanted reggie aswell but guess what Kubiak etc. thought Mario was better for this team. Il accept their better judgement over mine, and not throw a hissy fit just because they didn't get the player i wanted.
What about the judgements of every sports writer that I have read the articles of for the past 8 months? It seems that the Texans FO is outnumbered by atleast 1000 to 1 when it comes to the opinions of professional evaluators.

Kubiak & Charlie *A S S **** flat out blew it. <---- (the last person mentioned no longer exists to me... that name will never be spoken from my mouth again). With all the rumors about other teams now interested in trading with N.O. to get Bush it is obsurd to think we could not have gotten anything in a trade. Hell, *A S S **** could have just went up to the podium for the first pick and said "Pass" then N.O. would have gotten Bush (or a trade) and we could have gotten Mario for less by negotiating as the #2 pick.
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NRowl said:
could have just went up to the podium for the first pick and said "Pass" then N.O. would have gotten Bush (or a trade) and we could have gotten Mario for less by negotiating as the #2 pick.
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I disagree. Many teams had Mario over Bush/ We need now to pick up DeAngelo Williams and move on...
 
Kubiac calls Mario better than Julius Peppers, that's a HUGE overstatment. If he is as good as KUbiac says, then Maio should have won the hiesman. I've watched Mario play, he isn't as good as kubiac says.
 
What are the people in the FO smoking pot, crack, weed? I mean, Why would you pass down REGGIE BUSH!!!!!!! For mario williams, he better be super mario, because this is the WORST move in NFL history.
 
??? said:
What are the people in the FO smoking pot, crack, weed? I mean, Why would you pass down REGGIE BUSH!!!!!!! For mario williams, he better be super mario, because this is the WORST move in NFL history.
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The guy hasn't even played a game yet! The guy is 6-5 runs the 40 in 4.4 and had 14.5 sacks last year, he's no bench warmer, this guy is the real deal, plus he's signed already, no bs, no whining, and he is a stand up individual, which usually means alot to us Houstonians, guess not anymore
 
"Shakes his head over some of the comments"...... Hmmm, some need a larger cup of java this morning.
 
suneral said:
The guy is 6-5 runs the 40 in 4.4 and had 14.5 sacks last year, he's no bench warmer, this guy is the real deal, plus he's signed already, no bs, no whining, and he is a stand up individual, which usually means alot to us Houstonians, guess not anymore
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Try 6-7, 300 pounds, and runs a 4.7...Williams' teammate Lawson is the one who is 6-5 and runs a 4.4, but Williams did have 14.5 sacks last year...
 
D-ReK said:
Try 6-7, 300 pounds, and runs a 4.7...Williams' teammate Lawson is the one who is 6-5 and runs a 4.4, but Williams did have 14.5 sacks last year...
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you're right, just been readin alot about both of em,

thanks for correctin me
 
??? said:
He's is really trying to make this team go don the drain
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We were 2-14 last year...

It'll take some effort for us to go further down the drain from that...
 
I guess that Kubiak's Broncos theory of throwing any RB into his system will yield success. It's too bad because Bush looks like a once in a decade player. I hope Mario lives up to the top pick in the draft status he now has.

I'll have to be happy with the axiom that "Defense Wins Championships!"

Now let's go get our Championship!!!!!!!

:brickwall
 
IS WILLIAMS THAT GOOD ?
I am not saying that to be critical, just as a huge Texans fan way up here in Canada, I do not get to see a lot of college ball, so I do not know the real pro's or cons of Williams. I try and follow the best I can, and I figure the people running the team know a little more about these things, than I do.
As for the fans jumping ship, LET THEM !!!. If you leave your team over a draft pick then you never were a fan !!!
If you wanna look at great running backs of the future that went very high in the draft , just think Ricky Williams, and remember all picks are just a crap shoot, we just have to wait and see. Personally, I think we now have a much stonger team than last year.
And that's my view fom Canada eh !!!!
 
CanadianTexansFan said:
IS WILLIAMS THAT GOOD ?
I am not saying that to be critical, just as a huge Texans way up here in Canada, I do not get to see a lot of college ball, so I do not know the real pro's or cons of Williams. I try and follow the best I can, and I figure the people running the team know a little more about these things, than I do.
As for the fans jumping ship, LET THEM !!!. If you leave your team over a draft pick then you never were a fan !!!
If you wanna look at great running backs of the future that went very high in the draft , just think Ricky Williams, and remember all picks are just a crap shoot, we just have to wait and see. Personally, I think we now have a much stonger team than last year.
And that's my view fom Canada eh !!!!
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I'll help you out a bit with Williams...Here's my quick pros/cons about his game:

PROS: Big, strong, fast, quick, compares well to Reggie White, has the ability to drop into coverage if necessary, has a large variety of pass rush moves, All-ACC first team two years in a row...

CONS: Streaky (10.5 of his 14.5 sacks came in 3 games), his heart, desire, and work ethic have come into question (name one major DL prospect over the past couple of years that this isn't true about though)...

Hope that helps...
 
D-ReK said:
CONS: Streaky (10.5 of his 14.5 sacks came in 3 games), his heart, desire, and work ethic have come into question (name one major DL prospect over the past couple of years that this isn't true about though)...

Hope that helps...
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Well, now he has $54 million reasons to play every down like it's his last...
 
i think kubiak knows defense just as well as offense since he must gameplan against it, but the defensive coordinators must have had alot of say in this as well since he still needs to be developed a little more.

:texflag:

so far so good! and im still a proud texan fan! :yahoo:
 
suneral said:
The guy hasn't even played a game yet! The guy is 6-5 runs the 40 in 4.4 and had 14.5 sacks last year, he's no bench warmer, this guy is the real deal
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He has great measurables (his actual ones)... but he is far from the real deal. He may look like Peppers but he is not even close on the field - I can not remember one game where he just took over.

Lets look at his stats against quality opponents: He played against 4 teams that were ranked in the top 25 per the AP Poll - V Tech, BC, Clemson and FL State (3 of the four were ranked #18, 21 & 23 - so its not like these were even really highly ranked)

V Tech - 0 sacks, 1 solo tackle, 3 asst. tackles
BC - 0 sacks, 4 solo tackles, 0 asst. tackles
Clemson - 0 sacks, 1 solo tackle, 3 asst. tackles
Florida State - 0.5 sacks, 0 solo tackles, 3 asst. tackle

Something tells me he will not be the real deal against NFL defenses.
 
NRowl said:
He has great measurables... but he is far from the real deal. He may look like Peppers but he is not even close on the field - I can not remember one game where he just took over.

Lets look at his stats against quality opponents: He played against 4 teams that were ranked in the top 25 per the AP Poll - V Tech, BC, Clemson and FL State (3 of the four were ranked #18, 21 & 23 - so its not like these were even really highly ranked)

V Tech - 0 sacks, 1 solo tackle, 3 asst. tackles
BC - 0 sacks, 4 solo tackles, 0 asst. tackles
Clemson - 0 sacks, 1 solo tackle, 3 asst. tackles
Florida State - 0.5 sacks, 0 solo tackles, 3 asst. tackle

Something tells me he will not be the real deal against NFL defenses.
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...and how is this any different from Bush, who couldn't turn the corner on UT's defense? The only player in this draft who didn't have a bad game last year is Vince Young (not counting the A&M game :) )...
 
Okay, Okay... I went a little crazy when I saw on the news that the Texans were going to take Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush... but here's something to think about.. If you watched fan reaction on the news, and on these boards.. everyone is saying something similar to "that's it.. i'm not going to one game this year."
good.. if they don't go to the games... then tickets will be easier for everyone to get...

so... if anyone out there wants to give up their season tickets or tickets for the games... just let me know...
:redtowel:
 
D-ReK said:
...and how is this any different from Bush, who couldn't turn the corner on UT's defense? The only player in this draft who didn't have a bad game last year is Vince Young (not counting the A&M game :) )...
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VY is a stud - no doubt about it - He is a bigger, stronger Michael Vick with more leadership and a throw first mentality.

I am just stating that Mario is not the BPA that people are trying to spin and we did not take him due to biggest need either (we need D'Brick / LT much more). This is all about our "GM" wanting to reach for someone basd on potential to prove to the world what a genius he is - just like Babin, Wand, P Buch, and Hollings. Someone needs to explain to him that the process of finding the Diamond in the Rough first begins with not reaching for or not giving away the future for someone who "might" be great.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I disagree. Many teams had Mario over Bush/ We need now to pick up DeAngelo Williams and move on...
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Name them. I don't know of even 1. I was for Williams but I won't even make that statement. I wanted the Texans to try and trade down for less than the chart. Even 1 extra first or a high second might have gotten the Saints, Titans, or Jets to bite.
 
NRowl said:
VY is a stud - no doubt about it - He is a bigger, stronger Michael Vick with more leadership and a throw first mentality.

I am just stating that Mario is not the BPA that people are trying to spin and we did not take him due to biggest need either (we need D'Brick / LT much more). This is all about our "GM" wanting to reach for someone basd on potential to prove to the world what a genius he is - just like Babin, Wand, P Buch, and Hollings. Someone needs to explain to him that the process of finding the Diamond in the Rough first begins with not reaching for or not giving away the future for someone who "might" be great.
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I respect your opinion, but I disagree...Williams is the best defensive player in the draft and Bush/Young is the best offensive player...We emphatically stated that we were dedicated to Carr, so that takes Young out of the equation...Our rush offense last year was middle of the pack, whereas our defense, both rushing and passing, was at or near the bottom of the league...We are as inept at rushing the passer as we are at protecting our own passer...Williams will make more of an impact than Ferguson would, it's as simple as that...

Williams is not a reach at all, and the pick is based on what Kubiak has envisioned for our team, not what Casserly wants...Casserly will be leaving the team after the draft, so what does he have to gain from drafting a project and having them blossom after he's gone? Casserly is simply the guy who is dealing with the backlash caused by drafting the players that Kubiak wants...
 
bckey said:
Name them. I don't know of even 1. I was for Williams but I won't even make that statement. I wanted the Texans to try and trade down for less than the chart. Even 1 extra first or a high second might have gotten the Saints, Titans, or Jets to bite.
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I'm not sure if there are actual sources with the that have Williams at the top of their board named, but FWIW, I was watching ESPNEWS and Mortenson was on stating that there were 5 or 6 teams that had Williams rated as the number one prospect...While that is not as comforting as drafting the player that 25 teams have rated as the top player, it is somewhat comforting to know that we are not alone...
 
This is fun watching all of the Bush lovers have to eat crap and grin. They bashed and bashed VY in the lead up to the draft, and now they get their hearts broken.

I would have preferred that the Texans trade this pick over selecting anyone, and that includes VY. But I like this pick. Williams has the looks to be a special player at one of the two really areas where there is scarcity of gamebreakers. A pass rushing DE and at QB. When the Texans gave the bonus to Carr, they signaled they weren't going QB in this draft.

D Line depth is a need position for the Texans, and they have a chance to get an impact player at a position of scarcity. Good RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL. The Broncos and Kubiak's system embody that. The talk about Bush being the best player in a generation is simply that...talk. He's not a complete back. He's not an everydown back. His speed can break some plays, but don't spend the most valuable pick in the draft on an "incomplete" back, when there are so many good ones available later.

A trade would have been the best course of action, but since they didn't......I can live with this pick. It'll be the rest of the Texan's picks on day one that will make or break their draft.

Go Texans
 
Some of you guys will probably appreciate the pick more when you look at it through the eye's of Byron, Peyton, and the Rookie the titans draft...:drool:

I never liked Bush for the Texans as it does nothing more than give fans something to gloat about while ignoring the reality of the gaping holes on your team.

Mario williams makes a hell of a lot more sense than a luxury pick you all could not afford to make. FO should have traded out of the #1 pcik and taken Brick, but they obviously felt that an elite player like Mario was Spectacularly intelligent move considering the QB's in this division.

An OT with the 2nd rnd pick, and a DB with the 3rd and you all will be in great shape this draft IMO. The last thing a Jags fan wanted to see is Mario coming at his QB twice a year. I promise it will be easier to stop Bush in the NFL than it will be Mario...:twocents:
 
D-ReK said:
Try 6-7, 300 pounds, and runs a 4.7...Williams' teammate Lawson is the one who is 6-5 and runs a 4.4, but Williams did have 14.5 sacks last year...
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...and he did sleep in a Courtyard by Marriott last night.
 
Well in terms of time of possesion, Mario Williams looks like he'll play more downs the Reggie would have. The Texans average time of poss. last year was 28:10 on offense, and 31:10 on defense, with no real good additions, except for moulds, to the offense it could be 27:30 and 32:30 next year, which means, he'll be more on the field than reggie would have been

I'm just trying to find a few possitives in this whole deal, I think Mario will be great, but I think Reggie will be one of the all-time greats
 
suneral said:
Well in terms of time of possesion, Mario Williams looks like he'll play more downs the Reggie would have. The Texans average time of poss. last year was 28:10 on offense, and 31:10 on defense, with no real good additions, except for moulds, to the offense it could be 27:30 and 32:30 next year, which means, he'll be more on the field than reggie would have been

I'm just trying to find a few possitives in this whole deal, I think Mario will be great, but I think Reggie will be one of the all-time greats
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Yeah this makes me feel a lot better! The defense on the field more than last year. I guess Mario REALLY makes the defense better.

The thing is the guy disappears in big games. I can't believe the Texans missed that one simple thing. Yeah, he had some good games, and yeah he had a good combine, so what. The true measure of an athlete is what he does in big games and Mario disappeared when the competition was the toughest.
 
sign me up as a bad fan, cause I can honestly say "**** the Texans and everything they stand for"........granted I have never been the hugest Texans fan, but I still considered myself a fan, cause it's my home team, and I root for the home team.....I think they just lost a fan........and NO.........I'm not wrong for saying that.....I can cheer for my teams during the ups and downs, but to keep making boneheaded decision after boneheaded decision is just pathetic........I honestly pray that Bush and Young (in a Titans jersey....yeah in a freagin titans jersey) go on to have hall of fame careers, so McNair and Casserly can look like the idiotic jerks that they truely are.
 
dwilt72 said:
Yeah this makes me feel a lot better! The defense on the field more than last year. I guess Mario REALLY makes the defense better.

The thing is the guy disappears in big games. I can't believe the Texans missed that one simple thing. Yeah, he had some good games, and yeah he had a good combine, so what. The true measure of an athlete is what he does in big games and Mario disappeared when the competition was the toughest.
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:whistle:

usc vs texas? what was that game called?
 
dwilt72 said:
Yeah this makes me feel a lot better! The defense on the field more than last year. I guess Mario REALLY makes the defense better.

The thing is the guy disappears in big games. I can't believe the Texans missed that one simple thing. Yeah, he had some good games, and yeah he had a good combine, so what. The true measure of an athlete is what he does in big games and Mario disappeared when the competition was the toughest.
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I was being facetious, I know it's bad for the defense to be on the field more than the offense

BONEHEAD MOVE GUYS, THANKS ALOT!
 
D-ReK said:
only player in this draft who didn't have a bad game last year is Vince Young (not counting the A&M game :) )...
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Vanderjagt didn't have a bad kick all year (not counting the playoff game against Pittsburgh).

Matt Leinart didn't have a bad game at all last year (including the National Championship Game).

Take off the burnt orange colored glassed and learn to show some level of objectivity.
 
battlered said:
CALLING OUT ALL MEMBERS WHO'VE MADE A POST AGAINST MARIO WILLIAMS!!!

come on post some reasons here!!!
don't make posts that you're gonna sell the tickets that you don't have, you're just trying to feel important, it's okay!!!
i don't care that you're mad! i know you're mad, let hear your reasons...
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Why don't you try READING some of the responses or did they not teach you that in Pre-K?
 
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