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badboy

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Almost 2 months since my last and things have changed quite a bit. I still like Paxton Lynch but despite Dane Brugler has him going to Texans, I now think he will be gone. I am open to Wenz but need to see a lot of positive things from him now to draft. No other available QB is of interest to me in top three rounds. Duane Brown's injury makes me look to LT but none shout left tackle better than my choice.

1. WR Josh Docston 6'2" 195 wrist injury in game 10 left him with "only" 1327 yds on 79 catches for 16.8 avg. TDs 14. Cast & pins removed mid December and he should be ready for off season football activities. He catches like Hopkins with seemingly at least one wow catch per game; runs all routes & always aware of his QB and adjusts accordingly. 10 " hands with long arms, excellent red zone. If we had that QB, I'd consider Baylor's speedster Coleman..but we don't.

2. RB Alex Collins 5'11 215 stats include 12 regular and 1 bowl: 1577 yds @ 5.8, 20 TDs. 13/95 rec. @ 7.31 Arkansas dude is a monster that does not need a great line to get his yards. (hint)

3. LT Spencer Drango 6'5" 315 all 48 games started LT though most push him to G, he can play LT in NFL. Has strong hands with excellent kick slide for OT; excellent technician that understand game. Due to Baylor's scheme he became very good pass blocker bending at knees; only 2015 QB hit was by Ogbah. No longer allows speed speed guy to get past him.

4. ILB Blake Martinez 6'2" 245 with 140 Ts. (usually guys play for so so teams and they are only player; not so for this Stanford LB) 1.5 sacks, 2 hurries with 6 PBUs. Climbing charts

5.a QB Jake Coker 6'5" 232 2775 @ 67% 7.5 per and 19 TDs to 8 INTs rushed for two TDs. I kept hearing all the negatives that are customary with an Alabama QB but after watching him especially in the blow out against #3 MSU, he can be that QB. 25/30 286 83.3% and @ 9.5. An accurate QB resolves many issues + he proved in this game he can chunk it deep and on target.

5.b OG/C Evan Boehm Missouri 6'3" 320 not the usual size we see but perfect IMO. #2 OG out of high school and started 12 in 2012 before moving to C for rest of '13, '14 and '15. becomes #2 behind Jones by mid-season. If gone, I'd look next at TE.

6. (Pats) NT Hassan Ridgeway 6'3" 320 Ts 36 TFL 6.5 with 3.5 sacks + 2 hurries; known for his FF and scoop to take it to house for six. Compared to Wilfork, he is svelte.

7. FS Jordan Lomax 5'10" 205 and no idea why he falls this low. I have him in 5th but most seem to have in late 6th. He has 96 Ts 1 INT and 6 PBUs. Reminds me of Kurtis Drummond who fell out of draft.
 
I just cringe at Mocks where a QB isn't drafted in the first two rounds.

I can even deal with a mid to low 2nd rounder.

But I like the positions picked overall.

Don't know anything about the players, but specifically regarding receiver and DB I would like to see a DB or two drafted earlier and unless the WR is a game changing type of player I probably would go a bit lower but I wouldn't terribly upset with WR in the first.
 
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I'm not the biggest Coker fan, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's hanging around in the fifth.

Really like the other pics though. Doctson/Collins/Drango would be a hell of a boost to our O.

But about that QB ...
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'm not the biggest Coker fan, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's hanging around in the fifth.

Really like the other pics though. Doctson/Collins/Drango would be a hell of a boost to our O.

But about that QB ...
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I'm a Coker fan, if you think Cook is a 1st rd pick then Coker surely is. I dont see Coker falling past the 2nd after Sr Bowl/Combine. GM's/HC's are going to love Coker's interview/whiteboard skills.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm a Coker fan, if you think Cook is a 1st rd pick then Coker surely is. I dont see Coker falling past the 2nd after Sr Bowl/Combine. GM's/HC's are going to love Coker's interview/whiteboard skills.
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Also when these GMs/HCs talk to Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher about Jake Coker this will push Coker's stock to RD 1.
 
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Texian said:
Also when these GMs/HCs talk to to Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher about Jake Coker this will push Coker's stock to RD 1.
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He's played for the 2 best college HC's in terms of preparing Coker for the NFL. BTW. I love Meyer but his QB's aren't prepared for the NFL.
 
steelbtexan said:
He's played for the 2 best college HC's in terms of preparing Coker for the NFL.
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I actually like Coker. He gets better the more he plays and I think he can be had in the 3rd or later. If I were to go RB and WR in the 1st/2nd I'd go with Elliot and Cooper. Strong looks like a different guy than what he looked like coming in and I think he could really turn into something next year. Cooper is a better compliment to those 2 guys. He can get deep and he can get YAC. I like the concept of your draft though. It fills a lot of needs.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I forgot about this guy. LOL

BTW, what are your thoughts on Ruddock's NFL future. I think he will spend 10 yrs backing up in a Shanny type offense.
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I didn't think much of Rudock when he came in but the work Harbaugh did on him is incredible. His anticipation and accuracy into windows down the field improved remarkably as the season went along as did his decision making. In the first 7 games of the year he threw 5 TD's and 6 INT's. In the last 6 games he threw 15 TD's and 3 INT's. In his final 3 games he played top 10 pass defenses in each and threw 6 TD's and 1 INT. His progression over the entire season was extrodinary.

That being said. I think his physical tools and his upside are limited. But, he's a really smart kid. I could see him carving out a long term backup role like Chase Daniel or Matt Moore.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I just cringe at Mocks where a QB isn't drafted in the first two rounds.

I can even deal with a mid to low 2nd rounder.

But I like the positions picked overall.

Don't know anything about the players, but specifically regarding receiver and DB I would like to see a DB or two drafted earlier and unless the WR is a game changing type of player I probably would go a bit lower but I wouldn't terribly upset with WR in the first.
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QB sure but not just a throw a dart and hope to bulls eye a HOF. Other than Fitz, who has O'Brien significantly improved? Goff, Lynch and probably Cook gone by our pick; as I said Wenz has to prove his 2014 was no aberration. IIRC that season he only faced one class A school..Virginia or West Virginia. I shudder when I think of coach using a pick on Hack. I wanted a safety higher but not when I could get the guys I selected and then our deep guys are playing better...
 
Mollywhopper said:
I'm not the biggest Coker fan, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's hanging around in the fifth.

Really like the other pics though. Doctson/Collins/Drango would be a hell of a boost to our O.

But about that QB ...
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Before posting I read comment on another site complaining of Coker being moved up from late round to 4th. I think he will drop again some then after combine stabilize. He is just so much more accurate than most in this draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm a Coker fan, if you think Cook is a 1st rd pick then Coker surely is. I dont see Coker falling past the 2nd after Sr Bowl/Combine. GM's/HC's are going to love Coker's interview/whiteboard skills.
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I don't think Cook is a first or second but he will go top half first round regardless. Too many GMs think like some fans here.."need QB draft QB" despite how crappy they play. As players move up and down, like most folks who mock, I adjust my board unless I feel concrete on a player.
 
Texn4life said:
I actually like Coker. He gets better the more he plays and I think he can be had in the 3rd or later. If I were to go RB and WR in the 1st/2nd I'd go with Elliot and Cooper. Strong looks like a different guy than what he looked like coming in and I think he could really turn into something next year. Cooper is a better compliment to those 2 guys. He can get deep and he can get YAC. I like the concept of your draft though. It fills a lot of needs.
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Thanks and like I stated, if we had a QB that could consistently throw deep accurately, I also would choose the faster Cooper. EZ will be gone before us as he is best RB.
 
badboy said:
So what happened to A J McCarron and Aaron Murray?
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Let's see, they're both playing in the NFL today, McCarron is starting. I would venture a guess (could be wrong) that Saban and Fisher have more QBs make an NFL roster than any other college head coach in the last 8 years. Aaron Murray played at Georgia, never played for Saban or Fisher, is only 6'0" and was coming off a major injury. If Murray was 6'4" and healthy then he may have gone in RD1. If McCarron had Coker's arm and Coker's athleticism he would have likely been drafted much sooner than he was.
 
Texian said:
Let's see, they're both playing in the NFL today, McCarron is starting. I would venture a guess (could be wrong) that Saban and Fisher have more QBs make an NFL roster than any other college head coach in the last 8 years. Aaron Murray played at Georgia, never played for Saban or Fisher, is only 6'0" and was coming off a major injury. If Murray was 6'4" and healthy then he may have gone in RD1. If McCarron had Coker's arm and Coker's athleticism he would have likely been drafted much sooner than he was.
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Did Coker get an invite to the senior bowl? If so then the national championship game and the senior bowl will do a lot to determine of he goes day 3 or 2
 
Shishkabob said:
Did Coker get an invite to the senior bowl? If so then the national championship game and the senior bowl will do a lot to determine of he goes day 3 or 2
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Yes he did. And the Combine and his Pro Day and, or Day 1. If he plays as well in the National Championship game as he did in the semi-final game, Coker will rocket up many draft boards. This will be hard to do because he was darn near perfect against Mich St.
 
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If Ezekiel Elliot is available when we pick in the first, do we take him?
 
gwallaia said:
If Ezekiel Elliot is available when we pick in the first, do we take him?
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If I am making the pick, probably not. I think there are positions that would overtake RB in the first round. Any dominant offensive lineman would surely qualify, as well as QB, obviously. Same goes for an inside linebacker or safety.
 
gwallaia said:
If Ezekiel Elliot is available when we pick in the first, do we take him?
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Have you watched any of his games? I haven't. All I've seen are highlights & in the highlights, no one ever touches him. Not at the LOS, not at the second level, & he's gone by the time he gets to the secondary.

I can't imagine him getting through the line that consistently in the NFL without getting touched. I want to see what if he can break tackles, make people miss, something.

Dudes fast.

He also seems to carry the ball in his right hand all the time & I've never seen him cover up... I mean usually he doesn't have to, highlights, but you know what I mean.

Have you seen him run through tackles, make people miss, get the tough yards?
 
thunderkyss said:
Have you watched any of his games? I haven't. All I've seen are highlights & in the highlights, no one ever touches him. Not at the LOS, not at the second level, & he's gone by the time he gets to the secondary.

I can't imagine him getting through the line that consistently in the NFL without getting touched. I want to see what if he can break tackles, make people miss, something.

Dudes fast.

He also seems to carry the ball in his right hand all the time & I've never seen him cover up... I mean usually he doesn't have to, highlights, but you know what I mean.

Have you seen him run through tackles, make people miss, get the tough yards?
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He runs through arm tackles left and right. He can juke a bit but doesn't have a jawdropping juke set, he'd just as soon try and beat a guy to an angle and out sprint him or get behind his pads with strength and push defenders backwards. He gets tough yards. He sets up his blocks very well. You see him running in daylight a lot in his highlights, but it's not always the case of him having huge alleys to run through, it's often him having made the right decision to anticipate where the daylight will be and break for it.

He also blocks enthusiastically and catches the ball well.

Depends on who else is there when we pick, but given where we're at and how good I think Elliott can be I'd have no issue at all with him in the first.
 
gwallaia said:
If Ezekiel Elliot is available when we pick in the first, do we take him?
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Nope, I sign Lamar Miller in FA and draft Coker in the 1st and the best OT/TE in the 2nd/3rd.

I would draft Keith Marshall or Dwayne Washington in the 6th/7th rd range. If you want a rookie RB then the 2017 draft is the time to get your franchise RB. Cook/Fournette/Chubb/McCaffery are all more talented than Zeke. IMHO
 
thunderkyss said:
Have you watched any of his games? I haven't. All I've seen are highlights & in the highlights, no one ever touches him. Not at the LOS, not at the second level, & he's gone by the time he gets to the secondary.

I can't imagine him getting through the line that consistently in the NFL without getting touched. I want to see what if he can break tackles, make people miss, something.

Dudes fast.

He also seems to carry the ball in his right hand all the time & I've never seen him cover up... I mean usually he doesn't have to, highlights, but you know what I mean.

Have you seen him run through tackles, make people miss, get the tough yards?
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He definitely runs through arm tackles. He's not going to be bowling over linemen or LB's but he is not afraid of contact and will get the tough yards inside. He gets a ton of highlights from his long runs but he scores a lot of TD's close to the goal line by just putting his head down and grinding. He can also make guys miss in space and can make a cut without losing speed. I've seen 220 pound RB's who were crazy athletic, but there is a freakish fluidity to how he moves. He reminds me of Gurley in that regard. It's a freaky athleticism. A lot of big guys can run fast in a straight line but to be able to cut with that speed is crazy.

He also tends to not get enough credit for his success at OSU because of how much open field he runs into. What most people don't realize/acknowledge is that Elliott is creating a lot of those gaps. OSU runs a ton of zone and teams freak out for the edge when Elliott starts moving laterally and he will just make an insanely quick cut upfield and with his burst he is gone. His burst coming downhill is crazy. There was a play in the Fiesta Bowl where he hit a crease before the playside LB could even get there.

He's also an excellent blocker (not good, excellent) and he can catch the ball. He's a true three-down back and workhorse. A rare breed for today's NFL. Really the only flaw in his game is that he is not a guy like Peterson who can just run right through LB's and carry DB's. But he is more than capable of grinding out tough yards and if he gets an open field crease it's game over.
 
Elliot in the National Championship run last year and he punished people running towards the end of the season. He's a hard runner that runs well behind his pads. Oregon didn't stand a chance in the Title game and he was a man running against them out there. Their offense definitely missed Herman this year and with Cardale not being able to be consistent passing the ball Elliot's numbers suffered somewhat because of it, but don't be fooled. That dude is not someone that LBs want to tackle all game.
 
While I 100% agree on Elliott, I feel Collins is a very similar RB and can be had in second round allowing team to go elsewhere in first.
 
ObsiWan said:
I don't see Miller getting out of Miami.
And if he does, he'll be looking to get paid. Elliott would be much more salary cap friendly.
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I can see him leaving. They will have to choose between Olivier Vernon or Miller and pass rushers are more valuable than RB's. Did you notice that Ajayi got more run than Miller towards the end of last yr?

The Texans will have 27 mil of cap room before cutting Foster and Graham. I dont know how much cutting Cushing would save but that has to be a possibility.

So $$$$ shouldn't be a problem in FA this yr. I would offer Miller something along the lines of 5 yrs- 25 mil with an 8 mil signing bonus. But I'm not a cap guy so my numbers could be wrong. Troy Chapman is the guy to listen too when it comes to the cap stuff.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans will have 27 mil of cap room before cutting Foster and Graham. I dont know how much cutting Cushing would save but that has to be a possibility.

So $$$$ shouldn't be a problem in FA this yr. I would offer Miller something along the lines of 5 yrs- 25 mil with an 8 mil signing bonus. But I'm not a cap guy so my numbers could be wrong. Troy Chapman is the guy to listen too when it comes to the cap stuff.
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OverTheCap is a good reference as far as the cap is concerned.

Game changers like him usually don't see free agency. Free agency is about over paying, mostly. A guy like Lamar Miller will have a lot of suitors, you're going to have to outbid them if he makes it out of Miami. All things being equal, he'd want to go to "traditionally good" teams. San Francisco, NYGiants, Patriots, Baltimore... he'll probably even take less money to go to one of those teams.
 
thunderkyss said:
OverTheCap is a good reference as far as the cap is concerned.

Game changers like him usually don't see free agency. Free agency is about over paying, mostly. A guy like Lamar Miller will have a lot of suitors, you're going to have to outbid them if he makes it out of Miami. All things being equal, he'd want to go to "traditionally good" teams. San Francisco, NYGiants, Patriots, Baltimore... he'll probably even take less money to go to one of those teams.
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Not sure if this meets that criteria but Texan have only two losing season since 2009...:texflag:
 
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