snoopmeg2002
Practice Squad
When DD becomes a free agent, does anyone think that he'll resign with the Texans or will he go somewhere else?
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Dom Davis
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Doom Capers
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It is hard to tell. It all depends on if he can stay healthy next year. Why would we resign someone who is always hurt? I guess it depends on how much money he wants too. I believe if he can start every game next year he will have a pro bowl type year. So we will just have to wait and see.
BattleRedRaider
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F-minus67 said:
I agree. Texans should hold on to him.
snoopmeg2002 said:
DD knows what he has done for Houston. As with other players, I think he has loyalty to team for giving him a chance. I agree we should offer him a decent contract after a few games in 2005 if this is final year. I think he would want a stay as he would be a big part of the next few years.
gcolby said:
He will not have reached 4 years of service and will be a restricted free agent. Houston will tender him at one of three levels which wil allow them to match any offer. If not matched lowest level the Texan would get a 4th round, mid level 1st round, highest level 1st and 3rd round.
after the 2006 season Davis would become an unrestricted FA.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
I think if DD can stay healthy then he can turn into a franchise back, and if he does that, then he will cost some big time money, I think that we would need to try to resign him as sooon as possible, before he costs too much, hey he might need to be franchised in the next two years.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
DD is an absolutely fantastic back to have. I'll even go as far to say hes a top 7 all-around runningback(in terms of rushing AND recieving). With that said, I REALLY hope Hollings starts to get more carries. He was a guy everyone had pegged in as a mid-to-late 1st rounder the year before his draft year and his huge injury.I say phase Wells out all together, slide Hollings into about 30% of the snaps while letting DD rest while Hollings is in there.Works well for both backs as it keeps DD fresh and gives Hollings more touches/downs.
texansfan88
Rookie
To anyone that doubts DD, 12 touchdowns speak for themselves
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
Fiddy said:
sorry fiddy but how many "goal line" backs rush for 1,188 yards in a season ?? Hasnt he shown you he can be a featured back ? i guess he'll have to go and pass emitt smiths rushing record and then maybe just maybe you will say he is a featured back !
Wolf
100% Texan
TexansTrueFan said:sorry fiddy but how many "goal line" backs rush for 1,188 yards in a season ?? Hasnt he shown you he can be a featured back ? i guess he'll have to go and pass emitt smiths rushing record and then maybe just maybe you will say he is a featured back !
DD is solid WHEN healthy. IMO.. but he can't stay healthy. The 2 games Wells filled in for DD, he put up just as good numbers. (I am not a big Wells fan either). What I see in these threads whether we are talking about Miller,Moses or DD is you have people that say they are solid and people that say they are great. Well, they are the best we have ever seen in a Texan uniform, so we get blinded by the success.. But if you took a look around the NFL and people that play those same positions, you'd find these guys average (nfl wise).
BTW .. 1000 yards isn't much anymore.
I like DD, but there are upgrades that can be made. I am sure all of you would think the R. Brown would look great in a Texan uniform with his 4.3 speed and yall probably wouldn't mind seeing DD become a 3rd down back.
twinkletwinkle
Practice Squad
DD can catch. Don't underestimate how important it is to catch. He had a couple early bad fumbles last year and got over it. He has some flash and some good moves. He is like a Westbrook with much more power. I say sign him quick before he has a Pro Bowl year, and costs too much. DD has got the skills.
WildBlackBear32
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Wolf said:
True, 1000 yards isnt much, however his projected numbers from last season would be 1300 yards, not 1000. Not to mention 650 receiving yards.A 1950 total yard back aint too shabby, IMO.Let's not forget he was 4th in TDs last season. Some may say goalline back, however 6 points is 6 points anyway you slice it.
Oh and you'll definetly hear me screaming on draft day if we take Ronnie Brown. Not screaming of joy however. There's no need to add another runningback when we dont have a single RB on the roster even 25 years old.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
For more than half a season Doms longest run of the year was 12 yards (game 10 vs Green bay he finally had a run longer than 12 yards). That means that he only had a run barely longer than a first down run in 6 of the 10 remaining games and the Texans are primarily a running football team. Dom caught a ton of dump passes but he rarely scored off of them because he does not have break away speed and his receptions were not exactly patterns
they were safety valve passes. The only back that had as many touches in the passing game was Westbrook and he had many more receiving TDs than Dom had. So, in my eyes, that means his stats were largely the product of the system. Can he put up last years stats again? Sure, but take a look at his stats from 09/26 to 10/31 where he averaged 1.2, 2.5, 2.5, & 2.5 yards per carry on consecutive weeks. Dom just does not run the ball well unless he is 100% healthy...and so far, that is rare. The season is just too short for us to not bring in another back. It only takes one game of 1.2 ypc to knock us out of the playoffs.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
Vinny said:
???
Against Tennessee, 41 yards.
At Chicago 44 yards.
Edit:Whoops, you said half a season.
If we improve the offensive line, get a #2 WR in this offseason, can he put up those stats again? Why not?? Upgrades at these positions will make it even easier for him to produce.
LT had 6 games this year where he averaged less than 3 YPC. Hell, thats even 1 more than DD had all year, COUNTING the game he missed with an injury.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
Vinny said:
YPC is a far more telling stat about a player than Longest Run. Just ask Emmitt Smith.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
Vinny said:
Shrug, either way, I'm not giving up on a projected 1950 yd back.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
Vinny said:
We have a total of SIX runningbacks that are ALL under 25 years of age.Within the top 3 you have a 1950 yard guy(DD), an "OK" backup(Wells) and a guy who had 9 teams look at to select in the supplemental draft and he lead the nation in rushing until his knee gave out in college(Hollings).It would be absolutely rediculous to sign/draft/acquire a top RB in the next 3-5 years.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
We could have 50 players but that doesn't mean any of them are elite NFL backs. What we have is one guy who is a nice player but wildly inconsistent in Davis, a 2nd round project that hasn't been able to stay on the field in two years in Hollings, and Wells, who runs soft and really can't do much more than play special teams and fill in here and there. As a group we don't have much at the RB spot other than an inconsistent back and some scrubs.
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
WildBlackBear32 said:
What if we traded DD for an early 2nd round pick. Like say Miami. Who could use a RB, but is almost forced to go QB in the 1st. What happens if they don't get a RB in FA? The main reason I watch the draft is for the twists and turns that it has.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
rittenhouserobz said:
Couple things...
1.You wont get an early 2nd rounder for Davis. Late second, Early 3rd TOPS. Not to mention Miami doesnt have a 2nd round pick.
2.The FA/Trade market is DEEP in RBs.Jordan, Rudi Johnson*, Henry, Edge*, Larry Johnson/Blalock. The problem nowadays is there are too many good RBs AVAILABLE and not enough teams needing them.
3.If we DO for some odd reason or another trade DD, the team STILL has WAY bigger holes to fill. You start out with the fact we have absolutely no NTs under contract.
shinerbock_girl
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texansfan88 said:
God i hope we don't lose DD. I don't even want to think about losing him to someone else. He's young, strong, fast and i think this season hes going to be even better.
I'm back to being a Davis fan. I really like how he stepped up to remove the fumblitis from his game.
In my opinion, those fumbles in the first two games are what killed his production for the first half of the season. Injury may have played a part, but it was clear he was running scared of trying to make the big play for much of the season. Capers probably threatened to stick him back on special teams. After he got his confidence back, we saw his real game - and it looked good.
I'm also not convinced there were a lot of real injury problems with Davis this year. Back in week 4, I felt that Davis was being pulled as the fumbles had convinced us that maybe Hollings would be a better choice and this (siezing on minor/trivial injury) was a good way to get him time without a 'controversy'.
In my opinion, those fumbles in the first two games are what killed his production for the first half of the season. Injury may have played a part, but it was clear he was running scared of trying to make the big play for much of the season. Capers probably threatened to stick him back on special teams. After he got his confidence back, we saw his real game - and it looked good.
I'm also not convinced there were a lot of real injury problems with Davis this year. Back in week 4, I felt that Davis was being pulled as the fumbles had convinced us that maybe Hollings would be a better choice and this (siezing on minor/trivial injury) was a good way to get him time without a 'controversy'.
Fiddy
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I said Davis was an excellent goal line back. That statement has nothing to do with him being the featured back. He does an excellent job getting the ball into the endzone from the 1 yard line. How did you turn that around. texanfan88 said that Davis' 13 TDs speak for themselves. I was merely pointing out that 10 out of his 13 TDs came from 2 yards or less out. 10 out of 13. That means he is a excellent goal line back.TexansTrueFan said:sorry fiddy but how many "goal line" backs rush for 1,188 yards in a season ?? Hasnt he shown you he can be a featured back ? i guess he'll have to go and pass emitt smiths rushing record and then maybe just maybe you will say he is a featured back !
But if you're going to turn around my statement: Ten 2 yards or less TDs dont make you a featured back.
Dannyboy81
Practice Squad
The Texans better sign him now rather then later. Since his ball security, injuries, and consistency has been an issue all of that could play an aspect for resigning him now for a reasonable amount of money for maybe a 2-4 year deal (with an option to opt out if he reaches some incentives ala Jerry Porter from Oak.). I say this because if he has a real good season he's goning to want to get paid. It would be better for the Texans to sign him now and pay him alot less money now then a ridiculous contract later!! The option to opt out of the contract will give him some saying into searching his options (hopefully after a few good seasons) and let us evaluate his production. If hes doing good be then then the Texans should keep him. If not . . . . . well, you know what they'll do. 
It seems as though a lot of people are ready to send this guy to the bench. I don't believe he is anywhere near being our problem on offense. He has had two solid years so far. No he hasnt been pro bowl calliber or extremely consistent but he has shown big game potential especially near the end of the year. I think the offensive line as well as a lack of good play calling has limited him from having a great season. I dont think bringing in Edge or drafting a rb first round is a good idea. Who is to say the line wont bring them down to. I think our number one priority must be to solidify the o-line and the other parts that revolve around a good running game.
TexansTrueFan
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HAHA i agree with you, our o-line could make LT or even Priest Holmes look bad. Davis is a solid running back who is very talented running the ball our catching it out of the back field and making things happen ! Sure he had a rough start to the season but still managed to rush for over 1150 yrds. I see him as our main guy for years to come i see a great TRIO in Carr, Davis, and Johnnson !!!
(Davis over 1800 yrs in 2005)
(Davis over 1800 yrs in 2005)
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
WOW! 1800 yrs? That's a long time.
Dionysus22
Waterboy
I totally agree! He's almost like Emmitt Smith when he first came in. No one wanted him coming out of college cuz they said he was too small. Then when the Cowboys got a better line he blew up. I see them as almost the same back. DD has a little more power but Emmitt has him on break away speed. and both have great hands coming out of the back field.
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Hall of Fame
DD is a serviceable RB. He is an average starter and nothing more.
TexansTrueFan
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WildBlackBear32 said:
some people question D.D durability and you want holling to get a start ?? I mean come on he will get maybe 3 rushes before he bites the dust again and is out for the remained of the season. Lets face it some guys arent cut out for the NFL. Plus this team has payed him for $$$$ and WHAT has he done for us ? D.D is the starter and should be given a NICE contract a few games into next season, before his value goes way up and he costs to much !
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Hall of Fame
Rudi Johnson is ok too, nothing special. He is better than DD though.
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
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Westbrook is a threat everytime he touches the ball though. I can't say the same for DD.
TexansTrueFan
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STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
you think Rudi is bettr than Davis ??? I would like to see him do half the things Davis has done behind this TERRIBLE o-line of ours !
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DD doesn't have breakaway speed. That is the difference between him and Westbrook. Westbrook is a threat to score anytime the ball is in his hands.
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iggnorent
Of course Westbrook will appear to have breakaway speed.... when you play the Eagles, you can expect pass 70%, run 30%.
Yeah, he can burn it, but it's different offenses that would allow for different productions.... Texans are opposites of the Eagles..... esp. since you just have to double Andre and stack 9 in the box to own the offense....
Yeah, he can burn it, but it's different offenses that would allow for different productions.... Texans are opposites of the Eagles..... esp. since you just have to double Andre and stack 9 in the box to own the offense....
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Stack 9 in the box? LOL. No one was stacking 9 in the box against us. DD isn't much of a threat so there was no need to do all that just to stop our running game.
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
ok i'd take D.D over Westbrook any day of the week. End of disscusion !
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TexansTrueFan said:
Of course you would. You're a homer.
gg no re
iggnorent
C'mon.... Texans ran the ball 80% of the time..... then we would vary to a quick hitch/fade to Dre.... then the rest are send everyone on random patterns and dump the ball to DD under shallow coverage.... our offense was too obvious [thank you Palmer].... of course DD cannot break any long runs.
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