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Dolphins GM asked Dez Bryant if mom was prostitute | Apologizes after

WWJD said:
One thing not mentioned in any of these posts is that most of these guys come from colleges that play in front of larger college crowds than they will in the NFL and nobody is going to tell me that they don't get cussed at from the fans in the stands or harrassed going to the locker room. Wasn't it the OSU coach that went off on the press for something somebody wrote about one of his players? Those players have been exposed to the horrible media and I'm absolutely sure they've gotten it from the fans in the stands.

Please. I'm not buying that that question was some sort of maturity test.
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Great point and one I kind of touched on earlier when I mentioned that these guys already heard talk when they played rivalry games. People are acting like these guys played in a bubble and now big, scary men will say mean things. The guy grew up in a bad sitaution. He has overcome. Saying that an idiotic question is somehow preparing him for the NFL is one of the biggest reaches I have ever seen. College crowds don't have security taking down signs all the time like some NFL stadiums. These guys got harassed all the time in rivalry games. I'm sure the guy has heard it on the streets too when he was younger...much, much worse than the NFL. It amazes me that Ditka and the NFLPA have mentioned professionalism and how this standard was never and is never acceptable but some still think that somehow this toughened the kid up. It seems only one dumbass GM thought that.
 
Goldensilence said:
I just don't see the correlation. The guy obviously has been through a lot, has bounced around as a young man, knew what he had to do to get into college and did, it and was doing fine in college until the NCAA decided to throw a hissy fit about him hanging out with Deion Sanders.

Should he have lied about it? No, but I understand WHY he did. Should he have been suspended an entire season for it? Hell no. you're screaming common sense on one end but, did the NCAA show it on in the suspension?

Again just don't see the correlation of his mother's activities with his character, his work ethic on the field, his production playing at OSU, or even his off the field activities. If you want to KNOW his character, fine. It's all out there on the table.

If his mom was his agent, or was going to play or work for the Dolphins and he was listed as a reference, yeah I might see some relevance.

Just because there's 10-15 million on the table doesn't give anyone the right to ask such an asshole question. But, then again I guess some one in this thread have already outed themselves on their principles and dignity having a price.

Congrats Bullnation.

Other thing I have to ask the people that seem ok with this question or line of questioning. How would you feel if Rick Smith asked it?
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At least I am honest and not hiding behind some false sense of pride, like allot of you are. No F'ING way are you or anybody on this board gonna turn away 10-15 million dollars down when they had nothing to begin with because of a question. GET THE F OUTTA HERE!

If you say, "I WOULD" then you are just a liar and unrealistic.....
 
BullNation4Life said:
At least I am honest and not hiding behind some false sense of pride, like allot of you are. No F'ING way are you or anybody on this board gonna turn away 10-15 million dollars down when they had nothing to begin with because of a question. GET THE F OUTTA HERE!

If you say, "I WOULD" then you are just a liar and unrealistic.....
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Why do you keep saying that 10-15 million was at stake?
Are you saying that if he got offended by this question he would not have got drafted in the 1st? Or at all?
 
BullNation4Life said:
At least I am honest and not hiding behind some false sense of pride, like allot of you are. No F'ING way are you or anybody on this board gonna turn away 10-15 million dollars down when they had nothing to begin with because of a question. GET THE F OUTTA HERE!

If you say, "I WOULD" then you are just a liar and unrealistic.....
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First of all no one is faking anything. Is Ditka faking...the NFLPA? A large majority here think the question was over the line. I also wish you would stop with the 15 million talk. It is b.s. The guy was getting paid from someone. ONE team wasn't making or breaking him. ONE team asked an assinine question. He even said other teams asked about his past but not like Ireland. He wasn't turning down 15 million. He handled the question well. At least one of them was professional. Stop with same tired line. He wasn't turning down anything and most people with any sense of dignity would have been offended in the situation. He had 32 chances to get hired, this wasn't his one chance to get paid.

JB said:
Why do you keep saying that 10-15 million was at stake?
Are you saying that if he got offended by this question he would not have got drafted in the 1st? Or at all?
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Just beat me to it. Great minds...
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The thing here is that you're acting like this guy's choice here is 15 million or go live on the streets. And that's bullshit. The choice here is to get 15 mil or 10 mil. The choice here is do you get selected in the teens or the twenties. Do you go to a team where you're not going to like the FO or do you go to a team where they may not be such assholes.

I've been in plenty of situations where I could have made more much money in situations I didn't like and I've turned them down and walked away. And I'm still making a lot of money. You only need so much money to be happy. Anything over that doesn't make you any happier.
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Problem there is, players do not have a choice in the matter and yes where you get selected in the draft is everything. Sure, ok you walked away from more money, was it millions? The difference to these players in 5 million dollars is a hell of allot, probably more than that. Dolphins had the 11th and traded down, Cowboys picked 23, that is 12 spots back. That is maybe 5-7 million dollar difference. Won't know until contracts are signed.

I am more than sure Bryant will he happy in Dallas, he will be a star. I am more than sure he would have been happy in Miami, even with a asshole GM that ask personal and over the line questions. Don't tell me though that Bryant didn't want to go 11 if the Dolphins kept the pick rather 23rd and loose out on millions, that is just ridonkulous....
 
BullNation4Life said:
At least I am honest and not hiding behind some false sense of pride, like allot of you are. No F'ING way are you or anybody on this board gonna turn away 10-15 million dollars down when they had nothing to begin with because of a question. GET THE F OUTTA HERE!

If you say, "I WOULD" then you are just a liar and unrealistic.....
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You presume way too much.
 
BullNation4Life said:
At least I am honest and not hiding behind some false sense of pride, like allot of you are. No F'ING way are you or anybody on this board gonna turn away 10-15 million dollars down when they had nothing to begin with because of a question. GET THE F OUTTA HERE!

If you say, "I WOULD" then you are just a liar and unrealistic.....
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Nice.

The question in my mind is was the question appropriate? My answer is no, it was not only inappropriate, but exceedingly tasteless and said more about the character of the questioner than the questionee.
 
JB said:
Why do you keep saying that 10-15 million was at stake?
Are you saying that if he got offended by this question he would not have got drafted in the 1st? Or at all?
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Bradford is going to get 35+ million for the 1st pick. 15 would be about mid round...

No that was the number thrown out there for the guaranteed money for the 11th pick. It is just an estimate, I guess they expect Matthews to sign for that much and had the Dolphins kept the pick and draft Bryant, that is possibly the amount he would have gotten up front, could be more or less...

no not all or even in the first. He evidently showed no emotion at all, in which the Dolphins didn't draft him at all. So the asshole GM did it for nothing, I get that.
 
HoustonFrog said:
First of all no one is faking anything. Is Ditka faking...the NFLPA? A large majority here think the question was over the line. I also wish you would stop with the 15 million talk. It is b.s. The guy was getting paid from someone. ONE team wasn't making or breaking him. ONE team asked an assinine question. He even said other teams asked about his past but not like Ireland. He wasn't turning down 15 million. He handled the question well. At least one of them was professional. Stop with same tired line. He wasn't turning down anything and most people with any sense of dignity would have been offended in the situation. He had 32 chances to get hired, this wasn't his one chance to get paid.



Just beat me to it. Great minds...
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first off, you got your posted alllllll f'ed up.....

NOBODY said Bryant was turning down 15 million. NOBODY! That statement was sent to those on this board that said no amount of money would make them work for a boss, in the real world that was an asshole like this GM and I say BS. I posed question saying if they are offering you 15 million, you are not gonna walk away because of a question. Hell if they are offering you 100-200k, you are not walking away.

I said the GM probably asked the question, to get an emotional response, BEFORE giving a player 15 million, which is the estimate for that draft pick in the 11th, had they kept the pick and Drafted Bryant. I Never said he wasn't getting paid nor was he not going in the first round. Stop reading what isn't there...

Never said it was his one chance, see yall are getting way off track. As for Ditka and NFLPA, doesn't really matter what they say cause I wasn't ever talking about them faking it, was talking about those here on this board that act like they have higher morals and would walk away from a better life...
 
GlassHalfFull said:
Nice.

The question in my mind is was the question appropriate? My answer is no, it was not only inappropriate, but exceedingly tasteless and said more about the character of the questioner than the questionee.
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Right, it was totally out of line. Did it hurt Bryant's draft spot, dunno, Miami traded down and never drafted him. Don;t see how it would though since the kid did answer under control and still went in the first...
 
BullNation4Life said:
do I? You ever been offered a huge amount of cash and walked away because of a question or the hiring boss was an ass? if the opportunity has never been presented to you, how am I presuming too much?
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I've been offered jobs, very nice paying ones, that I've walked away from because the situation wasn't right. And working for the wrong person is something you do not want to do. I've walked away from jobs, with no job waiting for me, because the situation wasn't right. My wife and I walked away from jobs at the same time and moved to LA just to follow a dream. (Turned out to be the best decision we ever made.)

To me, if I'm going to get multimillion dollars from someone, it doesn't make any difference if it's a difference of a million or two more to work for someone that has insulted me. I'll take the loss of a couple of million dollars to work for someone else if that someone else was also going to pay me a few million.
 
BullNation4Life said:
first off, you got your posted alllllll f'ed up.....

NOBODY said Bryant was turning down 15 million. NOBODY! That statement was sent to those on this board that said no amount of money would make them work for a boss, in the real world that was an asshole like this GM and I say BS. I posed question saying if they are offering you 15 million, you are not gonna walk away because of a question. Hell if they are offering you 100-200k, you are not walking away.

I said the GM probably asked the question, to get an emotional response, BEFORE giving a player 15 million, which is the estimate for that draft pick in the 11th, had they kept the pick and Drafted Bryant. I Never said he wasn't getting paid nor was he not going in the first round. Stop reading what isn't there...

Never said it was his one chance, see yall are getting way off track. As for Ditka and NFLPA, doesn't really matter what they say cause I wasn't ever talking about them faking it, was talking about those here on this board that act like they have higher morals and would walk away from a better life...
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I'm sorry, I figured spewing over and over for page after page about, "you'd answer any question for 15 mil" was an assumption that he was turning down his one shot at 15 mil. That is what is sounds like and what alot of us hit on. I think you have it all screwed up. As I said pages ago, you are trying to put a monetary value on professionalism and dignity. There is a reason why the questions aren't allowed in normal business practices and a reason why the NFLPA and others are not happy with what happened.....the NFL isn't above the standards of professionalism. It is why the commish has cracked down so hard on offenders and why he has tried to clean up the league. He wants it professional. It is why they are so hard ass about socks being pulled up and uniforms the same....professionalism. Asking if a guys mom is a prostitute doesn't add to anything the league is striving to be. He already experienced the hard part first hand and made it through so the question had no value. I'm sure he has been shocked more in life than being asked that.
 
Ok if the shoe is on the other foot. Hypothetically.

Jeff has four children, let's say one of them is a girl that is 20, doesn't live at home and goes to a college that isn't in the same town. She makes a sex tape and it blows up in the press because it's the daughter of an up and coming young NFL exec.

When he's interviewing for the job with the team president and owner do you think it would be an appropriate question for either to ask during the interview what do you think you could've done differently to prevent your daughter from becoming a porn star?

They don't apologize for asking such a personal question at all. Later when it hits the media they make a begrudged apology, and some people say well you're going to get criticized as a GM we just wanted to see if you could handle criticism.

Really? Yeah they'll criticize you for your personnel decisions, they might criticize you for hiring or firing a coach, and they'll criticize you for draft decisions.

See the tying theme with the criticisms? They're all work related. They're all involved with the job your are applying for. How is asking about his daughter relevant? It has no reflection of the work he put in to getting in a position to apply for a spot as a GM of an NFL franchise. It isn't even necessarily a reflection of his parenting skills either.

Much like Dez has no control over what his mom did and it doesn't change the fact the question was irrelevant, humiliating, and showed no hints of professionalism or class that you SHOULD expect from a GM of such a storied franchise.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I'm sorry, I figured spewing over and over for page after page about, "you'd answer any question for 15 mil" was an assumption that he was turning down his one shot at 15 mil. That is what is sounds like and what alot of us hit on. I think you have it all screwed up. As I said pages ago, you are trying to put a monetary value on professionalism and dignity. There is a reason why the questions aren't allowed in normal business practices and a reason why the NFLPA and others are not happy with what happened.....the NFL isn't above the standards of professionalism. It is why the commish has cracked down so hard on offenders and why he has tried to clean up the league. He wants it professional. It is why they are so hard ass about socks being pulled up and uniforms the same....professionalism. Asking if a guys mom is a prostitute doesn't add to anything the league is striving to be. He already experienced the hard part first hand and made it through so the question had no value. I'm sure he has been shocked more in life than being asked that.
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you don't think this hasn't been happening for years? Seriously? You don't think the NFLPA hasn't heard of questions that the players get asked in these pre-draft interviews? NFLPA came out for pub and pub only to make themselves look good because of the CBA conflict that is going on. Get with the program man. If the NFLPA really "cared and were upset" they would have bargained to the questions reviewed before they are asked a long freaking time ago and I bet NOTHING is even talked about in the next CBA....

the player I knew that was in KC, played back in the late 80's early 90's and this kind of stuff was happening then and the NFLPA did nothing, nada, zip about it. This kind of stuff goes on every freaking year but because everyone Tweets and Twats and Facebooks and Blogs, it is more out there. Is it wrong and immore, hell yes it is but the reality of the fact is that it does happen, players are just not vocal about what happens behind those closed doors.

I don't see the NFLPA going to the defense of McCoy, Tebow or Gerhart after their "inappropriate questioning" Maybe in a blanket statement but their sole purpose was to make themselves look good in a bad situation.

As for the "monetary value of professionalism and dignity" hell yes it has a price and it's a 2 way street. Are not these teams paying millions of dollars to players to uphold professionalism and the "dignity of the team" on and off the field? Ask the Rooney's about how much professionalism and dignity cost when 2 of their star players are in the press for the wrong reasons. Go ask the Titans and the Giants. hell ask the Bangles as well, their players have yet to uphold the "professionalism and dignity" of their team....
 
You don't like the reason I gave as to why this question was asked, watch Marcellus Wiley talk about how Bill Parcells asked questions to him as a free agent coming to the Cowboys....

This may clear the way as to WHY this question was asked. exactly what I have been saying all along coming from a player who went through a similar situation, to make sure the player is not emotionally compromised and mentally unstable.

I think Wiley said best, the question is to see what kind of people were around this kid and if they would bring him down.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5143497
 
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BullNation4Life said:
That was my whole point was that though the question was morally and professionally wrong, and it was no doubt, I understand why GMs would go to that length and ask those questions because allot of money is at stake and giving money to a 21 year old kid that might do something to warrant suspension and such, is not good business...
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The point I wish to make is "if" the Dolphins would have drafted him, they weren't giving him jack. They would have been offering the market rate for a person of his talent. If they were to offer $15 million it would have been because they stood a chance of making $15 billion whether his mother was a prostitute or not.

I would be willing to bet that out of the teams that he was interviewed that there were other teams in addition to the Cowboys that got the information needed to assess him as a total player/employee without him having to submit to the line of questioning presented by Ireland.

I believe that we have seen enough over the last few years that squeeky clean family dynamics haven't always resulted in squeeky clean behavior. By the same token, there are others who have come from some very troubling family issues, and have done quite well in going from zero to a multi-millionaire.

Sounds to me as though he might be more emotionally balanced than the one asking the questions.
 
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Super Mario said:
Hey you are the one who brough Alcoholism into the conversation. But ok we will move past that.

I just want to hear ONE GOOD reason why the Dolphin's GM would need to know or verify that Dez's mom is a prostitute.
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I think a lot of you are potentially completely missing the point. While the question asked was whether Dez's mother was a prostitute, that was not the real question being asked. The real question being asked is: How do you react when a total stranger insults your mother? Will you get upset and strike the other person? Will you engage in a shouting match with the person? Will you let it roll off your back and ignore it?

Remember this guy has a potential character issue and the Dolphins just spent all kinds of time listening to how Goodell suspended Roethlisberger for "poor choices." They are paying him a lot of $ and want to see how he would react to a very real situation he will likely encounter from a drunk bar patron or when he is out in public.

THATS the reason this is an excellent question to ask and thats why ALL players need to be this type of question.
 
awtysst said:
THATS the reason this is an excellent question to ask and thats why ALL players need to be this type of question.
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I think everyone got the intent of the question, the question was why Ireland didn't feel the need to apologize for it until it became public knowledge.

It's one thing for Ashton Kutcher to get your car towed away, but it's another thing when he doesn't say "Punk'D!" to confirm that your car's not being towed for reals.
 
For a multi-million dollar contract and a chance to be able to instantly secure my family's future... he can ask me whatever he wants and then I'll bend over and say, thank you, may I have another?

Being honest...
 
NitroHonda said:
For a multi-million dollar contract and a chance to be able to instantly secure my family's future... he can ask me whatever he wants and then I'll bend over and say, thank you, may I have another?

Being honest...
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it's not like he was the only one to interview Bryant. Not like Bryant had a history of losing his composure. How many other prospects did Ireland ask that question of? If it was something that was OK, why did he apoligize at all?

Sorry, I have yet to read solid justification for this asshattery behavior by a top proffesional whose job is public relations.
 
JB said:
it's not like he was the only one to interview Bryant. Not like Bryant had a history of losing his composure. How many other prospects did Ireland ask that question of? If it was something that was OK, why did he apoligize at all?

Sorry, I have yet to read solid justification for this asshattery behavior by a top proffesional whose job is public relations.
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Why would he ask that particular question to another player , unless that player had the exact same background? I am quite sure, in speculation of course, that questions that were just as offensive and out of line were asked of different players, especially if they had a background.

you don't think Blount got hammered about what he did and coaches and GMs pushing to see if he had learned his lesson or not?
 
Let us think about why this question was asked. Scenario, say Bryant said yes, well what kind of people hang around those kind of people?

Drug users most likely. Ok if I am not mistaken Ireland also asked if his mother was STILL using drugs. Ok let's play this out. His mother hangs around folks Dez does not need to hang out with, but he is loyal to his mother(emotionally compromised) and goes to see her often.

Mother throws a party to celebrate his success, some of those type of people come over and now something goes down and Dez is caught right in the middle. Now Dez was not a drug user nor a dealer but now is guilty by association because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with a mother that had issues...

Bryant gets in trouble with the law and the league. Franchise now has a black eye and rest is history...

this is a scenario that far too often is real, thus the reason the Miami GM asked that kind of question, to protect the investment of the franchise....

weather the questioning was moral or not, money always tends to over shadow morals...

JMO...
 
BullNation4Life said:
Why would he ask that particular question to another player , unless that player had the exact same background? I am quite sure, in speculation of course, that questions that were just as offensive and out of line were asked of different players, especially if they had a background.

you don't think Blount got hammered about what he did and coaches and GMs pushing to see if he had learned his lesson or not?
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Absolutely I think he did. He punched a player on the field, not just punched in the heat of the moment, but cold-cocked the guy when he wasn't looking. WTH does that have to do with his mother? Or Bryant lying about spending some time with Deon?

Why don't you answer this one little question and quit avoiding it? If Ireland was trying to provoke a response, that he did not get, why not give an explanation?

Here's one more

If Ireland thought it was a valid question and a reasonable question to ask, why apoligize after the fact?

Need another?

If it was such an important question, why did no other team ask it of him?

I'm looking forward to your response
 
JB said:
Absolutely I think he did. He punched a player on the field, not just punched in the heat of the moment, but cold-cocked the guy when he wasn't looking. WTH does that have to do with his mother? Or Bryant lying about spending some time with Deon?

Why don't you answer this one little question and quit avoiding it? If Ireland was trying to provoke a response, that he did not get, why not give an explanation?

Here's one more

If Ireland thought it was a valid question and a reasonable question to ask, why apoligize after the fact?

Need another?

If it was such an important question, why did no other team ask it of him?

I'm looking forward to your response
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Avoid what? I have answered everything everyone has posted, I don't need to hide from crap.

Very simple, A: Why would you ask a totally different player about their mother when their mother didn't have a checkered past like Bryant's did, that makes no sense. Had Blounts mother punched someone out on the field and was a drug user that was going to be around him while he played for my franchise, I am quite sure that is would have been asked, so your argument is not valid...

2: Why not give an explanation, he didn't have to because in their eyes, the question was a valid one to ask especially if A; he is a potential draft pick an is about to get a lot of money from their franchise and B:this kid is moving his mother into his house wit this shady past, which he is...

3: Clear PR move and nothing more. Had nobody shot their mouth off to Yahoo sports, no apology necessary. Quite sure that if the GM that came out and asked Tebow if "God was going to get in the way of him being a NFL QB" or the one that asked Gerhart a very racial question was outed, they would apologize to but you haven't heard anything now have you? Wonder why that is....

4: How do you know they didn't? Bryant himself said many teams asked about his mother, if she did drugs and so on and so forth. Maybe in a different context and maybe not so blunt, but I would be willing to bet the subject came up.
 
awtysst said:
I think a lot of you are potentially completely missing the point. While the question asked was whether Dez's mother was a prostitute, that was not the real question being asked. The real question being asked is: How do you react when a total stranger insults your mother? Will you get upset and strike the other person? Will you engage in a shouting match with the person? Will you let it roll off your back and ignore it?

Remember this guy has a potential character issue and the Dolphins just spent all kinds of time listening to how Goodell suspended Roethlisberger for "poor choices." They are paying him a lot of $ and want to see how he would react to a very real situation he will likely encounter from a drunk bar patron or when he is out in public.

THATS the reason this is an excellent question to ask and thats why ALL players need to be this type of question.
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Dez Bryant did not have any sort of negative transgressions past the ridiculous suspension laid down by the NCAA for hanging out with Deion Sanders.

He hasn't been arrested for drug use, he hasn't had a battery case filed against him, he hasn't robbed anyone, and hasn't had any on the field character issues.

The worst I've seen is the guy hasn't been the most punctual individual.

Sorry. I just can't buy the well they had to test him to see what he'd do angle.
 
I think most of the posters here get it. I think most of the points I would make have been covered, and this has been pretty much beaten to death. But, I'm surprised that this hasn't been brought up.
BullNation4Life said:
As a GM, before I give millions of dollars my franchise my never see again to any player coming in, I want to know those answers...I do not condone the action, but I understand the reasoning behind it...
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The Dolphins are concerned about who they give their $millions to. Got it. It's reasonable to ask anything in order to elicit a possible emotional response. Got it. I'm just wondering if Jeff Ireland asked Brandon Marshall, yes Brandon-Freakin-Marshall, this question prior to the Dolphins trading for and signing him to a big, $fat contract:

Jeff Ireland said:
Brandon, we think you're a great receiver and would help our team win football games. Just one question: Do you think the reason you're a woman-beating a-hole is due to your mama being a crack whore while she was pregnant with you? Because that would explain a lot.
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By your logic, that would be a sound question for Jeff to ask.

awtysst said:
While the question asked was whether Dez's mother was a prostitute, that was not the real question being asked. The real question being asked is: How do you react when a total stranger insults your mother? Will you get upset and strike the other person? Will you engage in a shouting match with the person? Will you let it roll off your back and ignore it?
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Should the Rams have asked Sam Bradford if his grandma was a dirty, stinking squaw? Come on, Sam. We need to know how you'll respond if someone insults your family. This logic (or lack of) is some of the weakest I've ever seen on this forum.

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Goldensilence said:
Dez Bryant did not have any sort of negative transgressions past the ridiculous suspension laid down by the NCAA for hanging out with Deion Sanders.

He hasn't been arrested for drug use, he hasn't had a battery case filed against him, he hasn't robbed anyone, and hasn't had any on the field character issues.

The worst I've seen is the guy hasn't been the most punctual individual.

Sorry. I just can't buy the well they had to test him to see what he'd do angle.
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That's what I don't understand. It's not as if Dez Bryant did harmful things.

On draft day a few years ago, ALL the analysts were talking about PacMan Jones and how the Titans were really walking on thin ice for taking him in the first round (due to lots of problems in college and even before that). I think there also a bit of this speculative talk about Marshawn Lynch, too.

At the end of the day, this is about trying to crush Dez Bryant. And I wish I knew the reason behind the vile and utterly vindictive stance taken against him. It seems there have been people gunning for him, for awhile now.
 
BullNation4Life said:
It think the point of the question is being missed.

Let me ask you a question, would you give 15 million dollars to a player who is A: emotionally compromised and B: mentally unable to control his actions on and off the field? IMO that was the sole purpose of the question so the Miami Dolphins do not have to deal with a Rapist-berger, Holmes, Burress, Pac Man Jones or any other player off field incident. If Bryant could answer that question, with control and positive, he passed the test. If not, if he exploded or went off, you think players on the field and reporter off the field won't ask similar questions to get a rise out of him? Say TMZ or somebody ask Bryant that same question and he goes off on the reporter and gets suspended 6 games or even for the year. who pays the 15 million back? Nobody, it's money down the drain.

Another team asked Tebow "Is God going to get in your way of being an NFL QB?"

Team asked Gerhart if he felt "entitled" because he was a "white" RB

You people need to understand, this isn't a everyday corporation. In corporate America, that question would get HR fired, but in a business where giving a player 15-25 million guaranteed is a common occurrence, that player better answer every freaking offensive and personal question I ask before I invest that kind of money in him. Like I said, he goes off his rocker off the field, I loose 15 Million on a head case...
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If they asked him if his mama was a ho, they had info that she was a ho at some point. She was 13 when she had him and had drugs problems. I'm not saying i know, but when they do those background checks, they asked around the neighborhood and see what people know about the family. They don't send some fbi looking guy in their either, its more of like a guy of the same ethinic background asking about a person. Obviuosly some said she used to ho a little bit. If there are a pack of women ahead of you and you call them hoes, only the hoes will turn around.
 
Lucky said:
I think most of the posters here get it. I think most of the points I would make have been covered, and this has been pretty much beaten to death. But, I'm surprised that this hasn't been brought up.

The Dolphins are concerned about who they give their $millions to. Got it. It's reasonable to ask anything in order to elicit a possible emotional response. Got it. I'm just wondering if Jeff Ireland asked Brandon Marshall, yes Brandon-Freakin-Marshall, this question prior to the Dolphins trading for and signing him to a big, $fat contract:


By your logic, that would be a sound question for Jeff to ask.


Should the Rams have asked Sam Bradford if his grandma was a dirty, stinking squaw? Come on, Sam. We need to know how you'll respond if someone insults your family. This logic (or lack of) is some of the weakest I've ever seen on this forum.

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Nice work...rep Lucky!
 
Here's the version that the Dolphins apparently are selling: (1) Ireland asked Bryant what his father does; (2) Bryant openly admitted he's a pimp; (3) Ireland then asked what mother does; (4) Bryant said that his mother works for his father; (5) Ireland then asked if his mother is a prostitute.
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If that's how it really went I don't even see why Ireland apologized. Apparently Goodell supports Ireland as well so you have that.
 
b0ng said:
If that's how it really went I don't even see why Ireland apologized. Apparently Goodell supports Ireland as well so you have that.
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The Dolphins have no commented that and Dez Bryant has vehemently denied it. As you said, why would you apologize at all if that is how it came up. You wouldn't, you would relate the transaction. Doesn't sound real likely since I don't think his father is with his mother and she has been reported to be a lesbian now.
 
To me, that changes things quite a bit.

Asking someone what his father or mother does for a living and having that naturally flow into the question of prostitution is WAY different than leading off with "Is your mother a prostitute?"

Asking someone what their mom and dad do fo a living is a natural ice-breaker even if it isn't relevant to this kid's playing ability.

This reminds me of a meeting I was in a few weeks ago. Me and a guy I work with dial in to this phone conference. As we're waiting for the final guy to dial in, my co-worker asks the other guy on the line (who works for a different company) how his weekend was. The guy says it was rough. They celebrated their daughter's 11th birthday. My friend congratulates him. And then the guy says it's her first birthday since she died. It's like... what do you say?

If this Ireland story is true, then it could easily be the same case of walking into something and then not knowing what to say and saying the wrong thing. I mean, someone telling you their father is a pimp is pretty unusual. At least in my personal experience.
 
I think this is just bogus info put out to try to mitigate the controversy.
 
kastofsna said:
i dont really care either way of course but that version makes a lot more sense, doesn't it? duh.
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To the contrary it makes no sense at all. If that is what went down the first thing that would have popped into Ireland's mind and mouth would have been "well he said his dad was a pimp and his mom worked for his dad" not "it was inappropriate and I am sorry."
 
:bat: + this story = :deadhorse

You have those who understand why it was asked and those who see it as a travesty...

never gonna see eye to eye because nobody was there but Ireland and Bryant....
 
Here are my issues with this story. a) If true why not tell your side right off the bat before it took a life of its own and b) why apologize and in the apology reference how the question wasn't appropriate in its context. To me the Dolphins look worse
 
infantrycak said:
To the contrary it makes no sense at all. If that is what went down the first thing that would have popped into Ireland's mind and mouth would have been "well he said his dad was a pimp and his mom worked for his dad" not "it was inappropriate and I am sorry."
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i'm sure that was the first thing that popped into his head. however he's not going to say that to the press, he's going to apologize and give a very canned typical statement.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Here are my issues with this story. a) If true why not tell your side right off the bat before it took a life of its own and b) why apologize and in the apology reference how the question wasn't appropriate in its context. To me the Dolphins look worse
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because he was trying to end the story. it's not a GM's place (certainly not one under Parcells) to start a he-said-she-said thing. he's just apologizing. whatever.
 
infantrycak said:
To the contrary it makes no sense at all. If that is what went down the first thing that would have popped into Ireland's mind and mouth would have been "well he said his dad was a pimp and his mom worked for his dad" not "it was inappropriate and I am sorry."
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then you are spreading personal information to the media and opening a whole other can of worms.

Sometime saying little is the best policy. that was according to Marcellus Wiley who was in a similar situation from Bill Parcells...
 
HoustonFrog said:
Here are my issues with this story. a) If true why not tell your side right off the bat before it took a life of its own and b) why apologize and in the apology reference how the question wasn't appropriate in its context. To me the Dolphins look worse
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so they have a very bad PR rep, so sue them....

you apologize, get it over and move one. Maybe it was the way Ireland delivered the question, his tone rather, that he thought was inappropriate, who knows but them two...
 
kastofsna said:
no matter what the context it's still "inappropriate" to ask. the real question is who cares
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No necessarily. Not when millions of dollars are on the line as well as the face of the franchise. If his dad's a pimp, his mom a prostitute, what kind of people are they hanging around and what kind of people is Dez Bryant going to be exposed to? Marcellus Wiley stated he had friend that is in jail today, not because he was a bad apple, Like Bryant, but those around his friend, family in particular, that brought him down and turned him into a bad apple.

Dez Bryant's mother is a known drug user as well and he plans on moving her into his home in Dallas. Well let's see, Dez making millions means more than enough money to buy drugs again. Then Bryant becomes the same person that wore #88 before him for the Cowboys caught in the middle of a drug scandal and guilty by association.

So why wouldn't a franchise ask personal questions to protect themselves from that situation? A situation that is very real?

May have been an inappropriate question, but one that needed to be asked...
 
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