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raised_on_beans_n_rice said:
There are several fans that would be upset if Vince was not drafted. Get that out of the way first. The guy is a local hero and the biggest celebrity in Houston right now. There is no disputing what he did in college. For cryin' out loud there was a Vince Young Day declared by the mayor!

I think you underestimate just how popular he is. Ticket sales would definitely be affected. Don't kid yourself. Just as an example, did you happen to hear Bill Worrell say live on a Rockets broadcast that he is a season ticket holder and he wanted to see Vince drafted. He was basically using his status as a season tix holder as a threat to draft Vince or else he wouldn't renew them. Granted, that was one man but I guarantee you that he is not the only season ticket holder who feels this way.

This decision is bigger than just picking between two football players. The next few months leading up to the draft will be extremely entertaining.

There are 50k PSL's sold before VY attended UT. There were 50k last year and with Kubiak and possibly Bush that will increase demand. Yes there may be some Horns out there that pull their season tickets but the net new demand will outpace it. Most UT fans I know in Austin are Cowboys fans.

The Texans only need to sell 14-19k seats per game. Not a problem wiht VY or not.

Licensing/merchandising are a different matter and that is one that McNair calls. But lets face it, with growth at 30% from a valuation standpoint, 2003-2005, it is now time to put more value on the field and less worries about the other lines of business.
 
jerek said:
I like parts of your argument because they are well written, and reading through your other threads, it seems clear to me that you have football/NFL knowledge, even if I don't agree with your take on Young. That said,

(a) QB is the single most important position out of 21 others, but it is hardly the end-all, be-all, requisite for success. The Ravens and the Bucs have both recently won Super Bowls on the strength of their defenses and running games while employing very average QBs who simply didn't screw the game up. Even Tom Brady, while decidedly a great QB, is a very unflashy, no-scrambling, not-strong-armed QB who just makes right decisions and comes up big in the clutch. Hasselback is as unflashy as they get, Delhomme the same, and Plummer is very comparable to Carr in virtually every respect of his game and the first four years of their careers. Perpetual bad *** Mr. Peyton Manning got smoked the first playoff game he played this year. If this does not give you pause to reevaluate your stance on the QB in the "vital" role of successful teams, I am not sure what else will. Important, sure, but hardly all consuming.

(2) Vick's limited success has come in streaks and his playoff runs amidst one of the very worst divisions/weakest schedules in the NFL. NFL defenses have figured him out and until he improves his reads and his accuracy, he is a one-trick pony. I would hardly tout Vick as much of an improvement over Carr.

(3) We have already been over the Portland/Sam Bowie thing on this board and it still isn't relevant. BPA is relevant in basketball (5 men on the court, easy to play two of one position at once) and even moreso in light of the different cap/contract structure in the NBA. In the NFL, in fielding eleven players on both sides of the ball and position skill being much more static, you have to draft by position needed, even if you and every GM and the queen of England are all sold on Vince being a first-ballot HOFer before the guy even takes an NFL snap.

(4) I know that your Yao Ming argument wasn't meant to be the crux of your post, but it completely nullifies that segment of it. Yao, even when healthy, has been a substantial disappointment from a production vs. potential standpoint: the 7'6" freak of nature that just hasn't lived up to expectations yet. When I go to Rockets games on my cheap seats it is easy to move into the VIP seats because THEY ARE ALL EMPTY. The Rockets are in the bottom of the West and have never made it far into the playoffs with Yao as their "franchise" center. Meanwhile, what would our home games look like if we were WINNING?

(5) Your avatar is cute, but I hate it because it supports Vince Young, and by association I have come to hate you.

Kidding, guys! Don't be mad. It's all good. I understand the appeal of Vince, and as much as there are a lot of valid reasons to take him, there are more not to.


i suppose it really depends on what you base success on....Vick has one of the highest winning percentages of any starting qb in the nfl, 2 sucessfull playoff runs, and several pro bowls. Vick might not put up guady statistics, but the statistic that matters is "W", and he puts up a lot of those
 
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