cptnbreakdance
Waterboy
Its at the Houston Chronicle site under sports, it says he's a longshot in the draft, but we are giving him a tour of Reliant Stadium, The Bubble, and all of the other Texans stuff, though I'd let ya'll know 
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Dj to visit W/ the Texans
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Dionysus22
Waterboy
Quit Teasing!!!! I'm already setting myself up for heart break when his name is called and he doesn't put on a Texans draft day hat...speaking of...I wonder what they'll look like this year?(draft hats) The NFL always comes up with a pretty sweet design.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
this would reinforce my feelings of uncertainty of whom to select at the 13th spot 
I would be in favor of trading up to the 8th spot (Arizona) for our top 3rd round pick aquired from Dallas for Drew Henson. this would not be high enough for DJ but possibly Cedric Benson. in this scenero Arizona should be able to still draft their QB/CB & the Texans finally get their franchise back.
to move to the 7th spot (Minnesota) would require both WR's (Braylon & Williams) to be gone and would cost the Texans their 1st & 2nd picks. I mean the Vikings might do it but probably not if DJ is there for the taking.
ah yes we've come to the Titans, last years big trading partner could we dance once again
you already know how they are, this would cost the Texans 1st, 2nd & both 3rd's just to move up. once again they hold the key positon in the DJ sweepstakes plucking the player targeted just before the clutches of the team who desires him. I do not see any of the top 5 teams taking Derrick Johnson, he is a #6 or #7 guy in this draft-thats my opinion.
personally I like the trade to Arizona and Cedric Benson, thankyou very much
I would be in favor of trading up to the 8th spot (Arizona) for our top 3rd round pick aquired from Dallas for Drew Henson. this would not be high enough for DJ but possibly Cedric Benson. in this scenero Arizona should be able to still draft their QB/CB & the Texans finally get their franchise back.
to move to the 7th spot (Minnesota) would require both WR's (Braylon & Williams) to be gone and would cost the Texans their 1st & 2nd picks. I mean the Vikings might do it but probably not if DJ is there for the taking.
ah yes we've come to the Titans, last years big trading partner could we dance once again
you already know how they are, this would cost the Texans 1st, 2nd & both 3rd's just to move up. once again they hold the key positon in the DJ sweepstakes plucking the player targeted just before the clutches of the team who desires him. I do not see any of the top 5 teams taking Derrick Johnson, he is a #6 or #7 guy in this draft-thats my opinion.personally I like the trade to Arizona and Cedric Benson, thankyou very much
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
April 1st... get it. IF Casserly had said that onl the radio Vinny would've reported it before now. The newspaper story could be part of the april fools' joke as well.
Good point Murf, Vinnie is always goin on the rag and bustin balls when somebody posts a provocative remark without documentation. I noticedalemurphy said:
he didn't even mention if Cass said he'd trade up or down, but one would assume a move up if it involved DJ. Ah what the heck, its more entertaining if its just left open ended. But yea, Happy April Fools Day !
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
nunusguy said:
Casserly made the comments on the radio yesterday. He said something to the effect that the top 10 in this year's draft is up in the air and it is unlikely the Texans would pick at #13 this year as they will either move up or down on draft day depending on how things work out.
LoNghoRn-TeXaN
Waterboy
There's an article on this on Houstonprofootball.com
This isn't an April Fool's joke, right?
According to a report in Friday's Houston Chronicle, the Texans will be hosting draft prospect Derrick Johnson at Reliant Park this weekend. The University of Texas All-American, who received the Bronko Nagurski Trophy in December as the best defensive player in college football last season, is a top-rated prospect at linebacker.
GIven his lofty draft staus, Johnson likely won't be available when the Texans pick at #13 in the first round. General manager Charley Casserly told ESPN790-AM though that he does not expect the Texans to remain at #13, hinting at a possible trade scenario on the day of the draft.
Johnson will visit other teams before the draft later this month, but he had made his interest known regarding his desire to play for a team near his home. On a February airing of the local program Sports Off Center on KTBU-TV, the Waco native said, "I am a Texas kid, and hopefully I can stay in Texas."
Johnson Staying Close to Home?
This isn't an April Fool's joke, right?
According to a report in Friday's Houston Chronicle, the Texans will be hosting draft prospect Derrick Johnson at Reliant Park this weekend. The University of Texas All-American, who received the Bronko Nagurski Trophy in December as the best defensive player in college football last season, is a top-rated prospect at linebacker.
GIven his lofty draft staus, Johnson likely won't be available when the Texans pick at #13 in the first round. General manager Charley Casserly told ESPN790-AM though that he does not expect the Texans to remain at #13, hinting at a possible trade scenario on the day of the draft.
Johnson will visit other teams before the draft later this month, but he had made his interest known regarding his desire to play for a team near his home. On a February airing of the local program Sports Off Center on KTBU-TV, the Waco native said, "I am a Texas kid, and hopefully I can stay in Texas."
Johnson Staying Close to Home?
michaelm
vox nihili
Regardless of the status of this thread as a possible April fool's joke, I believe that the only way that the Texans can get DJ is to trade up to #2 or #1. I don't believe all of the mocks that have the Browns passing him by at #3.
I have speculated previously about the potential for SF to be willing to trade down.. they may posssibly be willing to, considering that they could trade down somewhat and still have a very good chance of landing either Rogers or Smith.
Our # 13 pick may be too low for them, however. I still think that they may be willing to trade out of the top spot for cheaper than you might think...
Also, Miami has no second round pick, and after the #2 spot doesn't pick again until 3rd round #70. Saben may want to add additional picks by moving down in the first.
Having mentioned the possiblity of trading up with SF on a previous thread, I was suprised that I wasn't lambasted(<--- love that word...) for it... I know that this scenario is too expensive for most of you, and for the most part it is for me as well. I only mention it as being more realistic that it first appears.
I have speculated previously about the potential for SF to be willing to trade down.. they may posssibly be willing to, considering that they could trade down somewhat and still have a very good chance of landing either Rogers or Smith.
Our # 13 pick may be too low for them, however. I still think that they may be willing to trade out of the top spot for cheaper than you might think...
Also, Miami has no second round pick, and after the #2 spot doesn't pick again until 3rd round #70. Saben may want to add additional picks by moving down in the first.
Having mentioned the possiblity of trading up with SF on a previous thread, I was suprised that I wasn't lambasted(<--- love that word...) for it... I know that this scenario is too expensive for most of you, and for the most part it is for me as well. I only mention it as being more realistic that it first appears.
michaelm
vox nihili
Adding to my previous post...
Many will say that there is no way that miami moves down and passes on the opportunity to get the franchise RB that they so desperately need. I counter, however, by recalling last year when absolutely no on expected the cowgirls to trade down and pass on the chance to get Steven Jackson. It pains me to say so, but the move was an excellent one, netting them a very good back in Julius Jones... maybe the best from last years draft when every thing is said and done...
Many will say that there is no way that miami moves down and passes on the opportunity to get the franchise RB that they so desperately need. I counter, however, by recalling last year when absolutely no on expected the cowgirls to trade down and pass on the chance to get Steven Jackson. It pains me to say so, but the move was an excellent one, netting them a very good back in Julius Jones... maybe the best from last years draft when every thing is said and done...
well what we're talking about is going after the player i think we all want in a texans uni the most...derrick johnson!!!!this guy is one of the few can't miss type players in this draft...his teammate cedric benson being another and mike williams is the only other one in my mind...everyone else can still turn out to be a bust...and yes that means ronnie brown and cadillac williams are potential busts...i don't see them being dissapointments but it is a possibility...with all that this is about getting your top player...casserly will make the decision on draft day whether or not we are going to trade up to get him or if the asking price is too high we'll probably trade down and grab david pollack...that's the impression i got from casserly's comments
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Thats Vinny with a Y. It's impossible to provide a link for word of mouth, nunusguy. I only enforce the © protected materials that could garner a lawsuit. Try not to be so offended about that. I either do it or they find someone that will. I'm just honest enough not to hide behind some pseudoname as the site Administrator.nunusguy said:
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
michaelm said:
Saban is being reported all over the internet as wanting to move out of the #2 spot but the flip-side is pundits are also all over reporting no one wants to move up that high because the signing bonuses at the top are huge. One pundit was even suggesting if the Dolphins can't trade down they should just pull a Vikings and let the time run out on their pick and then wait for several other picks to be made to avoid paying the #2 picks freight. It is looking like a year where is someone is willing to choke on the huge signing bonus there may be an opportunity to throw the draft pick value chart out the window and trade up for a bargain price pick-wise.
There is no player in this draft class worth #13 + #47. If we trade up, it should be with a 3rd round pick or lower. The good news for us is that NFL GMs don't necessarily follow the Pick Value Chart that is so often bandied about on the Internet and this year the costs for trading up will be significantly reduced.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
i believe any trading partner in a trade up scenerio will know our intention on wanting dj. the trade would likely involve #13, a 3 (or a flip flop for the early one with the trading team) ,and ofcourse jaime sharper.
jaime sharper will be dealt on the 1st day of the draft...i have very little doubt about that.
ideally this may be our last year with a real chance to trade up. we have the #13 pick wich puts us within reach...we have an extra 3 ,and we also have sharper who has tremendus value throughout the league if his contract numbers get more reasonable before the draft.------we wont have those luxuries next year. this is our last chance (hoepfully) for a player with superstar potential.
dont underestimate the texans' opinion of dj. you can very easily apply capers recent comments about greenwood to dj.
"If you look at him physically, he's the prototype split-side linebacker," coach Dom Capers said. "He's 238. He's smart. He's got a great work ethic.
"I talked with (former Miami coach) Dave Wannstedt, and he said on Wednesday nights, there were two guys at their facility after everyone had gone -- Zach Thomas and Marlon Greenwood.
"He's also got speed. One of the things we've been lacking is speed on defense. If you're going to have three 315-pounders up front, you better have speed at linebacker, or you're going to have a slow defense. If you're smart and you have a good work ethic and you're a good athlete, well, those are three good qualities to have."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/nfl/3103909
they've both played outside. they're both about the same size. they've both got great range and speed. they both have a great work ethic. dj fits this ofseasons trend toward a youth movement at a core postion and a postion of need. and to top it all off dj is a local product.
as for trade value charts...i think they can only be used as a rough guideline. the market still dictates values...and dj is clearly head and shoulders above the next best linebacker. ofcourse that increases his value ,but the other end of the equation is how many other teams are willing to trade up for dj?
jaime sharper will be dealt on the 1st day of the draft...i have very little doubt about that.
ideally this may be our last year with a real chance to trade up. we have the #13 pick wich puts us within reach...we have an extra 3 ,and we also have sharper who has tremendus value throughout the league if his contract numbers get more reasonable before the draft.------we wont have those luxuries next year. this is our last chance (hoepfully) for a player with superstar potential.
dont underestimate the texans' opinion of dj. you can very easily apply capers recent comments about greenwood to dj.
"If you look at him physically, he's the prototype split-side linebacker," coach Dom Capers said. "He's 238. He's smart. He's got a great work ethic.
"I talked with (former Miami coach) Dave Wannstedt, and he said on Wednesday nights, there were two guys at their facility after everyone had gone -- Zach Thomas and Marlon Greenwood.
"He's also got speed. One of the things we've been lacking is speed on defense. If you're going to have three 315-pounders up front, you better have speed at linebacker, or you're going to have a slow defense. If you're smart and you have a good work ethic and you're a good athlete, well, those are three good qualities to have."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/nfl/3103909
they've both played outside. they're both about the same size. they've both got great range and speed. they both have a great work ethic. dj fits this ofseasons trend toward a youth movement at a core postion and a postion of need. and to top it all off dj is a local product.
as for trade value charts...i think they can only be used as a rough guideline. the market still dictates values...and dj is clearly head and shoulders above the next best linebacker. ofcourse that increases his value ,but the other end of the equation is how many other teams are willing to trade up for dj?
I was watching Playbook on NFL network this morning (they spent this week talking about the draft needs/prospects for NFC teams). Mike Mayock said that he felt the Panthers (at 14) could be in a position to draft Derrick Johnson.
Mayock doesn't seem to be on the "DJ is the best defensive player in this draft"-bandwagon, but I kinda perked up when I heard it. He didn't say that he definitely thought DJ would still be there, just that "they are in a great position to possibly draft" him. (this quote brought to you by the power of tivo )
Mayock isn't the most highly respected draft analyst out there - but I thought I'd pass the info on...
Mayock doesn't seem to be on the "DJ is the best defensive player in this draft"-bandwagon, but I kinda perked up when I heard it. He didn't say that he definitely thought DJ would still be there, just that "they are in a great position to possibly draft" him. (this quote brought to you by the power of tivo
) Mayock isn't the most highly respected draft analyst out there - but I thought I'd pass the info on...
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
One thing that we can also look at is how the Texans helped move their franchise along. Maybe this time because Cleveland is not starting from scratch but wants to do more they will be wise and build their team through the draft and acquire more picks and mix in a good amount of veterans like Sharper. Remember this coach found out that you can do more with less during his time with the Patriots.
Also let's not forget that Cleveland also does not have a legitimate QB (I know of). Holcombe left for the Bills, and Garcia is cut. They can still that QB in the draft when they pick 13.
Also let's not forget that Cleveland also does not have a legitimate QB (I know of). Holcombe left for the Bills, and Garcia is cut. They can still that QB in the draft when they pick 13.
WildBlackBear32
Rookie
El Tejano said:
They signed Dilfer...dont know how "legit" he is. The guy seems to "just win, baby" everywhere he goes though.
TheOgre
All Pro
So lets speculate on that "TOP 10" that Casserly mentioned.
I think it is:
(in no particular order)
1. QB Alex Smith
2. QB Aaron Rodgers
3. HB Ronnie Brown
4. HB Cedric Benson
5. HB Cadillac Williams
6. WR Braylon Edwards
7. WR Mike Williams
8. LB DJ Johnson
9. CB Antrel Rolle
10. CB "Pac-man" Jones
If both of the QB's go off the boards early, that helps. However, if one does slide to us, it puts us in a prime spot to trade down if none of the other eight (3-10 above) are still on the board.
I think it is:
(in no particular order)
1. QB Alex Smith
2. QB Aaron Rodgers
3. HB Ronnie Brown
4. HB Cedric Benson
5. HB Cadillac Williams
6. WR Braylon Edwards
7. WR Mike Williams
8. LB DJ Johnson
9. CB Antrel Rolle
10. CB "Pac-man" Jones
If both of the QB's go off the boards early, that helps. However, if one does slide to us, it puts us in a prime spot to trade down if none of the other eight (3-10 above) are still on the board.
TJFord
Noob
I thought about the whole april fools thing as well, but surely the Chronicle would not do such a thing if wanted to be considered a serious newspaper. I will say this, DJ's stock has slid to reality in the past few weeks. LBs just don't get drafted that high (like top 5) and most of the teams from 5-10 have definant needs to be addressed other than a LB. I have begun to think that really the only two teams that might draft DJ before the 13 were Dallas and SD. That being said, we still should try and move up offering what has been mentioned before (13, a 2nd or 3rd, and Sharper).
texasguy346
Mod Squad
El Tejano said:
They can still get a pretty good young QB to study under Dilfer in the 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th. The way I see it there are two top tier QB prospects in Smith and Rodgers, and after that there are a bunch of guys with similiar levels of talent/potential. Green, Frye, Campbell, Orton, Orlovsky, and Fitzpatrick come to mind. I really like Fitzpatrick, and it would be cool to see a Harvard guy suceed in the NFL.
cptnbreakdance
Waterboy
If we do have a draft day trade dont forget about Sharper, he brings value to the equation too.
So to move up we could trade w/ a team switching to a 3-4 and trade our 1st rounder, our #2 3rd rounder, and Sharper.
I'm not sure but that might be enough to garner a substancial move up.
So to move up we could trade w/ a team switching to a 3-4 and trade our 1st rounder, our #2 3rd rounder, and Sharper.
I'm not sure but that might be enough to garner a substancial move up.
THEFUTURE
Rookie
Derrick Johnson will be working out at Reliant Park this weekend, and even though he is expected to be chosen very high, Casserly has stated that we might not be staying at 13. I read this from houstonprofootball.com and i think a package that includes maybe Jamie Sharper and our #13 pick could move us up a good ways in the draft
texansfan88
Rookie
Something tells me that we're going to give up 3-5 picks to Miami this year to move up to #2...thats the only real thing i can see happening here.
While I do find it interesting that Sharper's release comes shortly after DJ visits the Texans, I think #2 (absent a bonehead deal from Miami) is probably higher than we're looking.
The Browns at #3 are nowhere near a lock for DJ, who are said to have Braylon Edwards rated #1 overall and Alex Smith the highest QB, both of which are bigger need positions for them than LB. Remember, Phil Savage runs their draft, NOT Romeo Crennel. If the Browns don't take DJ, it's hard to see him going before #7 - and then only if Edwards and Williams are both gone. After that, he makes it to #9, #10 or #11. No way he gets to #13, though.
The Browns at #3 are nowhere near a lock for DJ, who are said to have Braylon Edwards rated #1 overall and Alex Smith the highest QB, both of which are bigger need positions for them than LB. Remember, Phil Savage runs their draft, NOT Romeo Crennel. If the Browns don't take DJ, it's hard to see him going before #7 - and then only if Edwards and Williams are both gone. After that, he makes it to #9, #10 or #11. No way he gets to #13, though.
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
John McClain is on the radio right now, and he seems pretty sold that the Texans won't trade up for DJ but may trade up for Benson...
Before you write this off as just being another clueless columnist, he has been one the few to accurately predict our first round picks for the past 3 years...
Before you write this off as just being another clueless columnist, he has been one the few to accurately predict our first round picks for the past 3 years...
D-ReK said:
Never been a fan of McClain.
Before you judge the man on 3 top 10 picks ...
Our first 3 picks were no brainers - unless you're counting Babin and I'm pretty sure he didn't predict that. No one predicted that (though many of us had him in the 2nd). Carr was obvious almost from the start of the off-season, though there was a bit of Peppers talk, Carr was clearly the favorite. AJ was an obvious choice the moment Willis McGahee's knee got busted up in the bowl game. Dunta took a little longer, but was pretty clearly the choice at least two weeks before the draft.
texansfan88
Rookie
Just because Mr. McClain doesn't homerize himself to the Texans doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about. He's very objective and an incredible writer with many credentials. I'm glad to see him in the Chronicle paper and on the Houston airwaves.
The Preacher
Waterboy
If we were interested in trading up for DJ why would they release Sharper before the draft? That would seem to give another team more bargaining power if they knew we had to have him.
If we grabbed DJ by whatever means, do y'all think Greenwood would take Foreman's old spot at the Buc and DJ take Sharper's Mac spot? Or do y'all see Wong definately taking the Buc spot and Greenwood and DJ battle it out for the Mac. I personally think Greenwood would have the Buc and DJ the Mac. In that case, I guess Wong and Peek would still be on the outside opposite Babin.