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Listening to Matt on 610, discussing the last drive. Kubes says we're gonna run it three times, make them burn time outs and kick the field goal ....

Then he hits us with WE WEREN'T TRYING FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!

Really? OMG ..... They WANTED to force the Jets to go 80 yards, with no timeouts and make a touchdown ....

Wow .....
 
blogkimmy said:
Listening to Matt on 610, discussing the last drive. Kubes says we're gonna run it three times, make them burn time outs and kick the field goal ....

Then he hits us with WE WEREN'T TRYING FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!

Really? OMG ..... They WANTED to force the Jets to go 80 yards, with no timeouts and make a touchdown ....

Wow .....
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LOL....just heard that on 610 too....FAIL all the way around.
 
Don't see how we can blame them for that, I would have been irate if we had thrown an in-completion there. Running three times was the right call. Teams are not supposed to be able to march 70 plus yards for a TD in under 50 seconds.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Don't see how we can blame them for that, I would have been irate if we had thrown an in-completion there. Running three times was the right call. Teams are not supposed to be able to march 70 plus yards for a TD in under 50 seconds.
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Against our defense? They could have scored more than a virgin in a whore house!
 
blogkimmy said:
Listening to Matt on 610, discussing the last drive. Kubes says we're gonna run it three times, make them burn time outs and kick the field goal ....

Then he hits us with WE WEREN'T TRYING FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!

Really? OMG ..... They WANTED to force the Jets to go 80 yards, with no timeouts and make a touchdown ....

Wow .....
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I heard that too.... :ok:

Is it bad that when I hear stuff like this it doesn't surprise me? :smiliepalm:
 
blogkimmy said:
Against our defense? They could have scored more than a virgin in a whore house!
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It was the percentage play. Even if Kubiak were as pessimistic about his defense as he should be it was the right move. There are PLENTY of things to get upset at Kubiak for, I just don't believe this specific instance is one of them. Just because our defense is one of the worst of all time it doesn't we mean we should onside kick everytime we score does it? (actually that sounds like a decent idea..... GAH)
 
It was the right call. Removing time from the clock was more valuable than points. It's just that no one knew our secondary would lose it for us, which is still on Gary.
 
Guys, no reason to get angry over this. It's the same thing every coach in the NFL would do. Except maybe Bellicheck? Obviously they preferred a TD over FG. If not, they would have simply kneeled it three times. What Kubiak was simply saying is don't do anything stupid like get out of bounds, turn it over, or thrown an incomplete pass in an effort to try to get a TD. Killing time and timeouts was more valuable than 4 points. I would have been much more angry if they threw an incompletion.
 
I agree with running 3 times, but I still think you try to run fir the TD. You could tell while watching it that the weren't trying for the TD. It actually looked thike they were avoiding the endzone. Sure run and kill the clock, but if you can get in and go up by 8 points, then that's what you do.

I'd rather be up by 8 with 1:30 to go than to be up by 4 with 49 seconds.
 
Brisco_County said:
It was the right call. Removing time from the clock was more valuable than points. It's just that no one knew our secondary would lose it for us, which is still on Gary.
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I agree it was the correct call, but did you notice we were snapping the ball with plenty of time on the play clock? On one down, we snapped around 10 seconds.

If someone recorded this, could you add up the left over play clock time? I'm thniking if we would have let the clock run to 1 second each down, the Jets wouldn't have had time to make that play.
 
Listening to Tony Dungee on Football Night, or whatever that program is, he was exactly right. The Texan secondary should never have let the Jets have the outside lane on that pass. We should have forced them to throw over the middle or at least inside the sideline.

Of course, with our talented group, they would have fallen down and let them waltz into the endzone. Hw many times did they slip, fall or just miss opportunities all day long. Every time I looked up, we were laying on our faces as the Jet ran by.

Really disappointed. Something has to be done with the secondary. I've been saying that for 3 or 4 years now. We shored up the the D-line and our line backers are strong. I think that my local junior college has a better secondary. It's time to do something about it.
 
Beer and Metal said:
I agree it was the correct call, but did you notice we were snapping the ball with plenty of time on the play clock? On one down, we snapped around 10 seconds.

If someone recorded this, could you add up the left over play clock time? I'm thniking if we would have let the clock run to 1 second each down, the Jets wouldn't have had time to make that play.
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I had to step away, are you kidding that we didn't run the playclock down to 1-3 seconds on each snap? Surely not.. Surely we aren't that ()*$@ stupid.
 
It's the correct call for 31 of 32 teams. With as bad as our secondary is, you have to try and get a first down there. Even if you aren't trying for a touchdown, you have to get a first down and run out the clock. If that means calling a pass play, make it a high percentage pass play like a HB or WR screen. Or try a misdirection HB toss or something. You have to do something to get the first down.
 
Beer and Metal said:
I agree it was the correct call, but did you notice we were snapping the ball with plenty of time on the play clock? On one down, we snapped around 10 seconds.

If someone recorded this, could you add up the left over play clock time? I'm thniking if we would have let the clock run to 1 second each down, the Jets wouldn't have had time to make that play.
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LOL, that's awesome. This team's clock management is the worst I've ever seen in all my time watching football. I didn't watch the game yesterday, but I recorded it, so I'll pull it up and confirm this evening, with time stamps.

silvrhand said:
I had to step away, are you kidding that we didn't run the playclock down to 1-3 seconds on each snap? Surely not.. Surely we aren't that ()*$@ stupid.
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LOL, what team have you been watching? Of course they're that stupid. They've demonstrated time after time they have no idea how to manage a game clock.
 
Beer and Metal said:
I agree it was the correct call, but did you notice we were snapping the ball with plenty of time on the play clock? On one down, we snapped around 10 seconds.

If someone recorded this, could you add up the left over play clock time? I'm thniking if we would have let the clock run to 1 second each down, the Jets wouldn't have had time to make that play.
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Didn't matter. They snapped it at 10 because the Jets called timeout after each play, so the game clock wasn't running anyway.

1st down - run, Jets timeout, clock stopped
2nd down - run, Jets timeout, clock stopped
3rd down - run, Texans timeout with 1 second on play clock
4th down - FG

Everyone calm down, they actually got it right.
 
RTP2110 said:
Didn't matter. They snapped it at 10 because the Jets called timeout after each play, so the game clock wasn't running anyway.

1st down - run, Jets timeout, clock stopped
2nd down - run, Jets timeout, clock stopped
3rd down - run, Texans timeout with 1 second on play clock
4th down - FG

Everyone calm down, they actually got it right.
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LOL, OK then. But doesn't it say something that we considered that behavior perfectly within the reality that has become the Houston Texans coaching?
 
I like a screen on first down there. Our screen game was rolling, and I would have thrown that high percentage play. However, you can let a team go the length of the field in 45 seconds.
 
RTP2110 said:
Didn't matter. They snapped it at 10 because the Jets called timeout after each play, so the game clock wasn't running anyway.

1st down - run, Jets timeout, clock stopped
2nd down - run, Jets timeout, clock stopped
3rd down - run, Texans timeout with 1 second on play clock
4th down - FG

Everyone calm down, they actually got it right.
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Good, I can't imagine that we would mess that up, that'd be really bad.. thanks for looking it up or remembering! :)
 
eriadoc said:
LOL, OK then. But doesn't it say something that we considered that behavior perfectly within the reality that has become the Houston Texans coaching?
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Oh absolutely. I actually had to go check the ESPN play by play just to make sure that didn't really happen.
 
BigBull17 said:
I like a screen on first down there. Our screen game was rolling, and I would have thrown that high percentage play. However, you can let a team go the length of the field in 45 seconds.
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Actually our screen game wasn't working. We didn't run many b/c they were all over it. Here are 2 of the 4 i remember:

2nd and 3 at HOU 29 (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short right to A.Johnson to HST 31 for 2 yards (D.Harris).

2nd and 10 at HOU 16 M.Schaub pass short left to A.Foster pushed ob at HST 11 for -5 yards (B.Scott).
 
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.

Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
 
c10x said:
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.

Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
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Key phrase... :)
 
c10x said:
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.
Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
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Well.... bye....
 
Kubiak's biggest mistake was assuming that our defense wasn't so bad as to give up 80 yards and a TD in 55 seconds. Our defense is that bad and every effort should have been made to keep the Jets offense off of the field.
 
c10x said:
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.

Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
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We, the Kubiak haters of the world, will not tolerate posts that in any way shape or form say anything nice or even slightly reasonable about Kubiak. It's against our religion.
 
c10x said:
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.

Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
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Pollardized said:
Well.... bye....
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2nd. Dont let the door... well you know the rest.
 
The fact that Bentley returned it to the 10 turned out to be a strike against us. That took the chance for a 1st down off the board. The ideal scenario is that you run the ball, get a first down, and run out the clock. That way the Jets never get the ball. Bently going down at the 15 or 20 would have been a good thing, IMO. Starting with 1st and goal, the only options were to score a TD or run 3 plays and kick a FG. Either way the Jets were going to have the ball back with a chance to win or tie.
 
c10x said:
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.

Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
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I actually agree with almost everything in this post, except that there is no point in coming to the website anymore.
 
c10x said:
After reading this thread, I have some good news.

There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.

Three runs, forcing them to use the clock was the right call. If we scored a TD great, but we wanted to create a situation where the clock was the enemy. No matter how little faith you have in your defense, you HAVE to be able to trust they can't go 80 yards for a TD with 50 seconds left and no timeouts.

Lots to blame Gary about, but that call isn't one of them.

Wasting the opportunity for points at the end of the half - yep, thats on Gary.
A team who's mentality is that they will find a way to lose - yep, thats on Gary.
Putting yourself in a situation where this is your secondary and you really don't have an opportunity to upgrade it until the offseason - also on Gary.

That series of downs is exactly what any winning coach should have done.
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100% agree!!! It was the right call on Gary. I want Kubiak gone just like everyone else, but come on... every move he does isn't wrong.
 
c10x said:
There's no point in coming to this website anymore, because most of you simply don't understand football.
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Pollardized said:
Well.... bye....
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What do you mean bye? He's right.
Did you see this?

I agree it was the correct call, but did you notice we were snapping the ball with plenty of time on the play clock? On one down, we snapped around 10 seconds.

If someone recorded this, could you add up the left over play clock time? I'm thniking if we would have let the clock run to 1 second each down, the Jets wouldn't have had time to make that play.
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There's plenty of other things to complain about. We don't have to start making things up like snapping the ball with time on the play clock after a timeout when the game clock is not running.

Running 3 running plays to burn timeouts and then put 3 points on the board to force the Jets to have to score a TD was the absolute right thing to do.
 
Brisco_County said:
It was the right call. Removing time from the clock was more valuable than points. It's just that no one knew our secondary would lose it for us, which is still on Gary.
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I agree it was the right call , burn the clock and their time outs. I also think people are taking that statement out of context.
Had they been able to score the TD .... they would have done so. The fact that they were forced to settle for a FG while NY spent its TO's and time ran down .... was an afterthought , it shouldnt have mattered.


Someone on that damn defense MAKE A PLAY For the love of GOD.

No , its on the secondary .... They were put in position to Make a play , and they didnt do it. That play to Edwards the DL had good pressure on Montana errr Sanchez and he torched the secondary with a near perfect throw.


and the guy who didnt franchise tag Pay me Rick .... Or at least find a veteran corner via FA to help fill the void rather than expecting a rookie to be all world.
 
The only problem I have is him telling the team that they weren't looking to score...

Running the ball 3 times is perfectly acceptable...telling your team that we are looking for the 3 points instead of 7 is just...Well I think we know what this team is missing is some motivation.

You know before that Jets drive Ryan told his guys with a smile on his face "We've been here before." and Kubiak is telling his "We just want to run out the clock." knowing full well you win this game with a TD. Huddle the guys up and tell them that. Tell em that we are going to run it 3 times and we are going to score.

Don't be a soft *** and tell them that we're looking for 3 points.
 
well even if we did get the TD

Im sure the jets would have still scored a TD in 30 seconds and tied it up

spare enough time for us to cough it up and then kick a FG to win da game

No matter what we did im sure we would have lost LOL
 
fiasco west said:
The only problem I have is him telling the team that they weren't looking to score...

Running the ball 3 times is perfectly acceptable...telling your team that we are looking for the 3 points instead of 7 is just...Well I think we know what this team is missing is some motivation.

You know before that Jets drive Ryan told his guys with a smile on his face "We've been here before." and Kubiak is telling his "We just want to run out the clock." knowing full well you win this game with a TD. Huddle the guys up and tell them that. Tell em that we are going to run it 3 times and we are going to score.

Don't be a soft *** and tell them that we're looking for 3 points.
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we don't win with a TD, we only make the jets have to convert a 2 pt conversion to tie it if they somehow went 80 yards in a minute to score a TD. Given what wound up happening, do you have any doubt that the jets wouldn't have been able to get a measley ol' 2 pt. conversion after marching down the field inside a minute?
 
blogkimmy said:
Listening to Matt on 610, discussing the last drive. Kubes says we're gonna run it three times, make them burn time outs and kick the field goal ....

Then he hits us with WE WEREN'T TRYING FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!

Really? OMG ..... They WANTED to force the Jets to go 80 yards, with no timeouts and make a touchdown ....

Wow .....
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This is exactly what they should've done. A FG makes it a TD game and a TD also keeps it at a one score game. So, the options were:

up 4 with 40 seconds to go and no timeouts

or

up 4-8 with somewhere between 1:20 - 2:00 with one or two timeouts left...

I was on the phone with Barrett yelling that they need to run it three times, not score a TD before 3rd down, no matter what.

Best laid plans... The reality is that the defense is so bad, there is no way for the offense to account for it.
 
blogkimmy said:
Listening to Matt on 610, discussing the last drive. Kubes says we're gonna run it three times, make them burn time outs and kick the field goal ....

Then he hits us with WE WEREN'T TRYING FOR THE TOUCHDOWN!

Really? OMG ..... They WANTED to force the Jets to go 80 yards, with no timeouts and make a touchdown ....

Wow .....
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Schaub actually gave that interview after the game. It was covered on the post game show.............that's when I turned 610 off.............couldn't take anymore.:gun:
 
Brisco_County said:
It was the right call. Removing time from the clock was more valuable than points. It's just that no one knew our secondary would lose it for us, which is still on Gary.
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3rd and Inches said:
Every one knew but Gary Kubiak. What an oracle ol' Kubes is.
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This from 3rd and Inches is true for me. I was certain of the outcome the moment Rackers came out to kick the FG. It's like I could see exactly how this was going to play out and I was right.
 
You know ive never seen a team drive down the field with no time outs and 50sec left and score a td. I've seen fluke plays at the end of games that end up scoring td's but they actually had a real drive down the field. Hell, they left 10 sec on the clock. they had time for 2 more plays. The one play over the middle where they had to come up and kill the clock, they killed the clock in about half the time it usually takes us.
 
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