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Defensive players that fit the Frank Bush mold

I think Hardy has the potential to be an awesome DE starting on the opposite side of Mario. I think he's a pretty risky pick though, and I think his interviews with the teams will be vital to where he's drafted. He's got to show he's healthy at the Combine and show teams he's committed to being a good pro. If he does that some team will pick him early (could be us). If he fails at one of those two things though, a team is taking a high risk with drafting him in the top half of the 1st rd.

If he passes our sniff test, I'd support the pick.. I think it's another "potential" type of pick. I think Peria Jerry has the potential to be one of the better DT's in the leauge though. I'm really interested in what kind of defense and DL Bush wants us to have. Do we go after a great NT or another pass rushing DT? Are Travis J. and Amobi those two starters? Jerry fits the mold of those two but I think he will be better.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I really like Hardy too. If it were up to me I would probably be choosing between Hardy and Brown in the first round, if Orakpo is gone. I'm not convinced Orakpo is better than Hardy or Brown, but from what I understand he will go higher than 15 so he is not on my mind at this time.
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I didn't list Brown but he is the third DE prospect I would like if we picked at 15. So I would be fine with Brown, Orakpo, or Hardy. I like Johnson as well I just don't know if I would grab him at 15.
 
Ali4Real said:
I don't know if this guy "fits" Bush's system but he played ball at my high school as a RB for Austin HS in Fort Bend County (Sugar Land, TX). He is TCUs DE Jerry Hughes who had a monster season this year and was All-American (the first from my school, I think.) He has good size and speed (6'2" 260-lbs) and can get after the QB and stop the run.
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Yea, you know Mike Jones plays receiver at Arizona State. I'm pretty sure Mike Jones played QB at Austin.
 
Ali4Real said:
I don't know if this guy "fits" Bush's system but he played ball at my high school as a RB for Austin HS in Fort Bend County (Sugar Land, TX). He is TCUs DE Jerry Hughes who had a monster season this year and was All-American (the first from my school, I think.) He has good size and speed (6'2" 260-lbs) and can get after the QB and stop the run.
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Jerry Hughes is still a junior at TCU. I would love to take a look at him next year. Led the nation in sacks this year with 15 and was third in forced fumbles with 6.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think Hardy has the potential to be an awesome DE starting on the opposite side of Mario. I think he's a pretty risky pick though, and I think his interviews with the teams will be vital to where he's drafted. He's got to show he's healthy at the Combine and show teams he's committed to being a good pro. If he does that some team will pick him early (could be us). If he fails at one of those two things though, a team is taking a high risk with drafting him in the top half of the 1st rd.

If he passes our sniff test, I'd support the pick.. I think it's another "potential" type of pick. I think Peria Jerry has the potential to be one of the better DT's in the leauge though. I'm really interested in what kind of defense and DL Bush wants us to have. Do we go after a great NT or another pass rushing DT? Are Travis J. and Amobi those two starters? Jerry fits the mold of those two but I think he will be better.
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I agree with all of this. To the bolded- I hope we go after a NT as opposed to a pass rushing DT. Not that I dont like Jerry. He is the second best DL in this draft IMO. I just think so highly of Raji that IMO we jsut cant pass him up. He has it all.
 
So does anyone have any more insight into what kind of defense, scheme, playcalling Frank Bush may implement... or continue?

DEs, DTs, LBs, CBs, S?

Does he think we need/want a NT like Raji... or does he want two penetrating DTs w/ Okam to come in occasionally? Do we want a true WLB and SLB or interchangeable OLBs? Does he want an everydown RDE or a situational pass rusher? This draft will be interesting b/c I'm not sure what exactly he's looking for.
 
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye

And now people want another tackle? Im not saying it wont happen, but good lord can we pick a player in round 1 that doesnt play on the Dline.
 
There might be some solid LBers where we pick. Adibi and Diles both showed flashes but if a Mauluga or Curry are there when we pick it will be hard to resist. You cant have enough playmakers at LBer. Look at our defense and you will see that the biggest thing we lack is just that... playmakers.
 
TheRealJoker said:
There might be some solid LBers where we pick. Adibi and Diles both showed flashes but if a Mauluga or Curry are there when we pick it will be hard to resist. You cant have enough playmakers at LBer. Look at our defense and you will see that the biggest thing we lack is just that... playmakers.
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Unless we put Diles at MLB and shift DeMeco outside I'm not a HUGE fan of putting Diles back in at starter. I just don't think he has the sideline to sideline speed that this division requires to win. Really doubt Curry drops to us 15 but if he does we better run up the podium laughing and smiling. I wouldn't mind taking Laurinitus either.

I'm not totally against taking a DT at 15 but the past two DT's we've taken haven't inspired. Unless it's a surefire impact DT we would be better off upgrading S or LB if we go defense.
 
Super Mario said:
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye

And now people want another tackle? Im not saying it wont happen, but good lord can we pick a player in round 1 that doesnt play on the Dline.
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Looking back at the time we picked these guys, most people including me did not want Mario. I wanted an LT. TJ was a huge reach but team was trying to fill a need. Okoye was way young and was thought he would mature into a solid player. We now have one super star, one avg Dlineman and I don't know what in Okoye. So, yes, I am hoping we get either a NT to stop the run or a DE that helps Mario be even better.

How about a trade down to Atlanta (24?) and select Maybin. At our pick in 2nd we select Shonn Green. With # two from Atlanta we select Ron Brace NT. 3rd round we get Delmas or Rashad Johnson to play FS. In 4th we select DE, Robert Ayers. Maybe bring Maybin from LB when Ayers is starting. 5th we get best LB available.
 
TheRealJoker said:
There might be some solid LBers where we pick. Adibi and Diles both showed flashes but if a Mauluga or Curry are there when we pick it will be hard to resist. You cant have enough playmakers at LBer. Look at our defense and you will see that the biggest thing we lack is just that... playmakers.
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Agreed but Ryans ain't going nowhere and we still have a problem shutting down the run. Seems as if a NT is the way to draft.
IMo, you can't just say, wow that guy is a playmaker. You have to compare what we have and what we need most. Luck happens when you can fill a primary need in first round (especially after a trade down getting extra picks) and still get a starter in 2nd.
 
I've become a big fan of building super units on teams. In our case, it should be our Defensive Line. Mario is already a monster. Amobi has so much potential, we HAVE to give him the opportunity to shine. In order to do that we have to keep building the DL up. I'm a big proponent of another DT and/or DE.

If we can get 4 very good D-linemen consistently winning in the trenches and getting pressure on the QB, it forces offenses to adjust their play calling and bring in additional blockers. This immediately opens up the rest of our defense to be those "playmakers" we want them to be. Let's the LBs roam and blitz more.

I think they've made the DL a priority and they aren't going to quit.
 
badboy said:
...How about a trade down to Atlanta (24?) and select Maybin. At our pick in 2nd we select Shonn Green. With # two from Atlanta we select Ron Brace NT. 3rd round we get Delmas or Rashad Johnson to play FS. In 4th we select DE, Robert Ayers. Maybe bring Maybin from LB when Ayers is starting. 5th we get best LB available.
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I love the idea of trading down, but Maybin won't be there at 24. If we move down that far then we will probably be looking at CB or OL, unless you think Greg Hardy or Laurinaitis will be there for us.

Greene and Brace in the second would be excellent.

I would love Delmas in the third.

Ayers is a solid player.

Who would Atlanta move up for btw? They have needs but not anything desperate.
 
bah007 said:
I love the idea of trading down, but Maybin won't be there at 24. If we move down that far then we will probably be looking at CB or OL, unless you think Greg Hardy or Laurinaitis will be there for us.

Greene and Brace in the second would be excellent.

I would love Delmas in the third.

Ayers is a solid player.

Who would Atlanta move up for btw? They have needs but not anything desperate.
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William Moore at either safety would strengthen the team. I am not sure if they would make the trade as Moore may drop to them or they could just go another way such as LT with Eben Britton a top 25 pick 6'6" 310 with 5.05 speed or Jason Smith out of Baylor.
http://football.about.com/od/teamneeds/a/teamneeds_ATL.htm

The problem is Atlanta could sit there and still get a need player without giving up a pick. Hope they're more desperate than you think.
 
badboy said:
William Moore at either safety would strengthen the team. I am not sure if they would make the trade as Moore may drop to them or they could just go another way such as LT with Eben Britton a top 25 pick 6'6" 310 with 5.05 speed or Jason Smith out of Baylor.
http://football.about.com/od/teamneeds/a/teamneeds_ATL.htm

The problem is Atlanta could sit there and still get a need player without giving up a pick. Hope they're more desperate than you think.
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I think our best bet on moving back may end up being someone getting antsy and trying to move in front of the Jets for Sanchez.
 
bah007 said:
I love the idea of trading down, but Maybin won't be there at 24. If we move down that far then we will probably be looking at CB or OL, unless you think Greg Hardy or Laurinaitis will be there for us.

Greene and Brace in the second would be excellent.

I would love Delmas in the third.

Ayers is a solid player.

Who would Atlanta move up for btw? They have needs but not anything desperate.
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Greg Hardy is returning to school per sportingnews.com

I think dropping down for a solid secondary player would be a wise move. With Robinson, Reeves, Bennett and Molden all in the fold right now, CB would be a wasted pick unless the dont resign Dunta.

Having Nick Ferguson and Eugene Wilson as our starting safety's is a huge concern for me. I liked the play of Nick, but think Wilson can be upgraded at FS.

In my perfect world we would drop down low in the first round and pick up a 2nd round pick. Take Rashad Johnson late in the first round to fill that FS position, draft Shonn Greene with our first 2nd round pick to take some carries next year when we drop Green and Taylor, and Matt Shaughnessy with our second 2nd round pick so we can drop Weaver and his huge salary.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I've become a big fan of building super units on teams. In our case, it should be our Defensive Line. Mario is already a monster. Amobi has so much potential, we HAVE to give him the opportunity to shine. In order to do that we have to keep building the DL up. I'm a big proponent of another DT and/or DE.

If we can get 4 very good D-linemen consistently winning in the trenches and getting pressure on the QB, it forces offenses to adjust their play calling and bring in additional blockers. This immediately opens up the rest of our defense to be those "playmakers" we want them to be. Let's the LBs roam and blitz more.

I think they've made the DL a priority and they aren't going to quit.
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I know your a big fan of Raji but I believe that the Packers will look at him for a NG in the 3-4 . Did I mention that I'm picking for the Packers in the mock , anyway the Ravens picked Ngata in the 1st as a NG , Hampton was a 1st as a NG , and Williams of San Diego I think was a 2nd . I think a top notch NG is just as hard to find as pass rushing OLB .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I know your a big fan of Raji but I believe that the Packers will look at him for a NG in the 3-4 . Did I mention that I'm picking for the Packers in the mock , anyway the Ravens picked Ngata in the 1st as a NG , Hampton was a 1st as a NG , and Williams of San Diego I think was a 2nd . I think a top notch NG is just as hard to find as pass rushing OLB .
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Agree, I've come to the realization that he's in all likelihood gone by our pick- much like Brandon Albert last year. I think with the signing of Koller as DL coach that Peria Jerry just shot up our draft board. I love the idea of some of these pass rushers but they're too hard for me to project being RDE in the 4-3.

I wouldn't mind a trade down at all, especially if we can pick up a good DB in the late 1st.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Agree, I've come to the realization that he's in all likelihood gone by our pick- much like Brandon Albert last year. I think with the signing of Koller as DL coach that Peria Jerry just shot up our draft board. I love the idea of some of these pass rushers but they're too hard for me to project being RDE in the 4-3.

I wouldn't mind a trade down at all, especially if we can pick up a good DB in the late 1st.
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Brandon Albert ... hmmm .... which way do you go if your the Chiefs ? Let's say you pick an OT and build the OL with him and Albert . How about Raji , Brown or Orapko to build the DL ... well .... hopefully they pick Matt Stafford .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Brandon Albert ... hmmm .... which way do you go if your the Chiefs ? Let's say you pick an OT and build the OL with him and Albert . How about Raji , Brown or Orapko to build the DL ... well .... hopefully they pick Matt Stafford .
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That's tough to say. I think #3 is a little high for any of the DL this year but that just may be me. The value is definitely with the LTs. They could have a killer killer OL for years to come if they move Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs this draft.
 
Super Mario said:
Greg Hardy is returning to school per sportingnews.com

I think dropping down for a solid secondary player would be a wise move. With Robinson, Reeves, Bennett and Molden all in the fold right now, CB would be a wasted pick unless the dont resign Dunta.

Having Nick Ferguson and Eugene Wilson as our starting safety's is a huge concern for me. I liked the play of Nick, but think Wilson can be upgraded at FS.

In my perfect world we would drop down low in the first round and pick up a 2nd round pick. Take Rashad Johnson late in the first round to fill that FS position, draft Shonn Greene with our first 2nd round pick to take some carries next year when we drop Green and Taylor, and Matt Shaughnessy with our second 2nd round pick so we can drop Weaver and his huge salary.
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From your lips to God's ear. However, I have FS Johnson avail in 3rd round with Delmas ahead of him. Also, I have Shaughnessey taken high in 2nd. Things could shore be difrent come combine. I like your guys though. Still does not do much to stop run and that is why I am looking for a NT like Raji or Brace.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I know your a big fan of Raji but I believe that the Packers will look at him for a NG in the 3-4 . Did I mention that I'm picking for the Packers in the mock , anyway the Ravens picked Ngata in the 1st as a NG , Hampton was a 1st as a NG , and Williams of San Diego I think was a 2nd . I think a top notch NG is just as hard to find as pass rushing OLB .
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Pack may be looking for a Cb like Jenkins.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
That's tough to say. I think #3 is a little high for any of the DL this year but that just may be me. The value is definitely with the LTs. They could have a killer killer OL for years to come if they move Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs this draft.
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Chiefs could trade way down and get a good tackle and another couple of high picks.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
That's tough to say. I think #3 is a little high for any of the DL this year but that just may be me. The value is definitely with the LTs. They could have a killer killer OL for years to come if they move Albert to LG and draft one of the top LTs this draft.
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http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/

Dang ... the Chiefs have 3 1st round picks on their DL . They have Babin ... they don't need a DE .

I bring up the Chiefs , Packers , and Browns because they might want a DE/OLB .
 
badboy said:
Chiefs could trade way down and get a good tackle and another couple of high picks.
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You're probably right, this could be a really good year for the Chiefs to make a trade down. Maybe Al Davis is crazy enough to trade up for Crabtree if he's scared the Seahawks may take him.
 
If Bush runs a penetrating style with the D-Line, Maulauga would be the best pick at 15.

Let Rey Rey use his size in the middle and kick DeMeco outside. Seeing DeMeco get crushed by guards all year was not pleasent
 
You guys are stereo-typing Raji. Just because he is 335 lbs plus doesnt mean hes just a run stuffer/ clogger. The guy is all that and probably the best penetrating interior DL in this draft. He is the complete package. If you are looking for penetrating DL why not get one that does that well and is capable of clogging the middle as well?

Like I said weeks ago, if he is available at 15 there is no one that will be available that would help us more. NO ONE! And Brace is not the answer in later rounds either. He adds nothing to this team that Okam doesnt allready bring.


Found this

http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlreport.htm
Boston College DT B.J. Raji continued to dominate. The 334-pounder is living in the backfield making interior lineman look ridiculous. The backside of this stud defensive tackle is enormous and he looks like he was born to demolish the squat rack. That strength transfers to the field as he can bull rush anyone. In individual drills he threw Oregon OL Max Unger to the ground in a move reminiscent of Reggie White in Super Bowl XXXI. However, brute strength isn’t the only impressive aspect of this mauler’s game. His pass rush repertoire is special. Raji’s first step is very quick and he gets his hips underneath him to create great leverage. He can turn the corner and make himself small to beat the man in front of him. Honestly, I have to make myself focus on other players because I could watch him all day. Raji is a top five pick in my opinion and has been by far the most impressive player on the North.

GOD PLEASE LET HIM BE THERE AT 15!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!
 
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mussop said:
GOD PLEASE LET HIM BE THERE AT 15!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!
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I hate to inject some reality here but there is no way Raji will be available at 15 unless shows up at the combine shouting racial slurs with needles sticking in his arms dragging his ex-girlfriend's body by the hair behind him. And even then, someone would probably take a chance.

Raji is not coming here.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I hate to inject some reality here but there is no way Raji will be available at 15 unless shows up at the combine shouting racial slurs with needles sticking in his arms dragging his ex-girlfriend's body by the hair behind him. And even then, someone would probably take a chance.

Raji is not coming here.
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Yeah, the Raiders pick 7th...
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I hate to inject some reality here but there is no way Raji will be available at 15 unless shows up at the combine shouting racial slurs with needles sticking in his arms dragging his ex-girlfriend's body by the hair behind him. And even then, someone would probably take a chance.

Raji is not coming here.
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Yeh after the day he had today hes probaby a pipe dream. That really sucks!!! A few weeks ago people were telling me no way we pick him at 15 now its no way he last until 15. Im thinking about driving down to Mobile and planting some Mary Jane in his locker.
 
BigBull17 said:
Yeah, the Raiders pick 7th...
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I would think the Raiders would go a different direction. They just invested a kings ransom for Tommy Kelly and really need some left tackle help because Kwamie Harris shouldnt be the starting LT. And with Smith, Smith, Oher and Monroe all possibly available they can land a premier left tackle.
 
Super Mario said:
I would think the Raiders would go a different direction. They just invested a kings ransom for Tommy Kelly and really need some left tackle help because Kwamie Harris shouldnt be the starting LT. And with Smith, Smith, Oher and Monroe all possibly available they can land a premier left tackle.
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They also cut Tommy Kelly. They are a train wreck and need to build their lines. If all the good tackle prospects go, they may make that move. Or just draft a big play WR, because thats how Al Davis rolls...
 
According the the Buffalo DC, Koller was running a DLine with 310 & 306 guys inside and 261 & 243 (Schoebel, his big-time edge-rusher) playing the DEs. So that's a fairly average size set of DTs but smallish DE guys.
Guess that's what you'd expect with a line that features an aggressive, penetrating approach. Of course the big downside there is when your team falls behind.
 
Super Mario said:
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams
Amobi Okoye

And now people want another tackle? Im not saying it wont happen, but good lord can we pick a player in round 1 that doesnt play on the Dline.
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I think you keep addressing a position until you get it fixed. The higher the round used the greater % that player will succeed. Just because you expend a 1st on TJ you don't ignore the position. Tj was best avail at that time. I don't think Kubes would keep the guy just because of $ and Johnson's cap is not overwhelming. We may not want TJ but Kubes did not cut him last season as he saw something. Until we can stop the run NT remains an issue. It is up to Smithiak to choose when they want to address it.
 
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