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DD's Durability

Let's see we have Wells, Morency, and Hollings. I kinds like Wells when he glares back at Carr when Carr misses him in on the flat passes. Oh the joy and excitement!

I'd like to see Hollings get in there for a couple of plays before he gets hurt, though.
 
SESupergenius said:
Let's see we have Wells, Morency, and Hollings. I kinds like Wells when he glares back at Carr when Carr misses him in on the flat passes. Oh the joy and excitement!
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I thought he looked a little peeved about that last game. That was good to see.
 
TexanAlmighty said:
Another weakness of DD............
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DD is in almost on every play, and he is by far the most productive player on the team. When he gets so much action as he do, he is more likely to get hurt.

DD getting hurt is not because he's brittle, but more likely because he is carrying an overload in every single game.
 
Malloy said:
DD is in almost on every play, and he is by far the most productive player on the team. When he gets so much action as he do, he is more likely to get hurt.

DD getting hurt is not because he's brittle, but more likely because he is carrying an overload in every single game.
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While it is not totally fair given the physical nature of the position, this is the number reason that DomDavis will probably never be considered more than a decent, solid starter in the league. There are only a handful of backs in the league who can regularly take such poundings, but it is one of the things separates one player from another.

On that list of negatives against the current administration, using three draft picks on middle round RBs and not making it a priority to play them regularly in some combination to keep your best RB somewhat healthy needs to be included.
 
he will play come on DD has been one of the most durable backs. He takes alot of hits but with an improved line he would be a top 7 or 8 back in the league.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
On that list of negatives against the current administration, using three draft picks on middle round RBs and not making it a priority to play them regularly in some combination to keep your best RB somewhat healthy needs to be included.
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On that I agree completely, I cry myself to sleep every night (ok, I might be going overboard a bit on that one) because Morency is not getting any time on the field. If our second or third RB would take some of the pressure of DD, he would be less prone to injury. That, as you mention, is coaching related.
 
royce1054 said:
he will play come on DD has been one of the most durable backs. He takes alot of hits but with an improved line he would be a top 7 or 8 back in the league.
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We will just disagree here. DomDavis does not take more hits than other RBs. the nature of job is a ton of hits by people bigger than you. IMO, he is the player who benefits the least with a better OL as the run blocking for the Texans has been a decent NFL level during his stay.

The biggest knock on Davis has been his ability to stay healthy or perfom at a high enough level when dinged up.
 
We all know that the average career of a football player is 4 years and RB's, I would assume, are on the low side of that number. Thankfully we have a very good value in him and have not spent a #1 pick on this very fragile position.
 
run-david-run said:
notice how USC' s RB's dont have many injury problems because they raerly ever get more then 20 carries each...
what an idea
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Also notice they have 1 that runs up the middle and 1 that runs to the OUTSIDE
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
We will just disagree here. DomDavis does not take more hits than other RBs. the nature of job is a ton of hits by people bigger than you. IMO, he is the player who benefits the least with a better OL as the run blocking for the Texans has been a decent NFL level during his stay.

The biggest knock on Davis has been his ability to stay healthy or perfom at a high enough level when dinged up.
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But i dont think decent is enought. Imagine if we were say above average how much better would we be
 
Frills said:
Held out of practice yet again today

Now a gametime decision, which means OUT
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FYI Davis hasn't practiced in 4-5 weeks and has been listed as a gametime decision in most of those weeks and yet he's played in all of those games and posted his two best games of the year the last two weeks.
 
If Davis doesn't play Sunday, should get the rumor mills cranked up into
rare form and feed those rumors that the Texans aren't sincere about winning
with the #1 pick now in sight.
 
royce1054 said:
But i dont think decent is enought. Imagine if we were say above average how much better would we be
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If you saying Davis becomes a 1250 yard back instead of squeaking out his 1,000 then I will buy that, but he is not a 1,500 guy waiting to happen. While he gets the most out his ability and what the offense provides him(better than anyone on the team), I don't see the skills needed for him to do significantly more than he is now.
 
Well if he's not durable we now have "consultant" Reeves to pass that message along to the coaches and those that need to know that.
 
Malloy said:
DD is in almost on every play, and he is by far the most productive player on the team. When he gets so much action as he do, he is more likely to get hurt.

DD getting hurt is not because he's brittle, but more likely because he is carrying an overload in every single game.
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When will the excuses stop...
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If you saying Davis becomes a 1250 yard back instead of squeaking out his 1,000 then I will buy that, but he is not a 1,500 guy waiting to happen. While he gets the most out his ability and what the offense provides him(better than anyone on the team), I don't see the skills needed for him to do significantly more than he is now.
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I don't know if he'll ever rush for 1500 yards if we improve our team and use him properly, but I can definitely see him getting 1300 rushing yards and 700 receiving yards in a season (he's averaged 1109 rushing and 469 receiving yards in 14.5 games per year thru his first two seasons already, so 1300 and 700 are not at all far-fetched numbers and 2000 yards from scrimmage is far from being mediocre)
 
Maybe more like 1800....1200 rushing...600 recieving...and it would have to be the best season of his whole life
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe more like 1800....1200 rushing...600 recieving...and it would have to be the best season of his whole life
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Or last year. 1188 yds rushing and 588 receiving--my bad he was 24 yds short. Obviously he could barely hope to get another 24 yds in a season.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
When will the excuses stop...
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When will the factless rants stop?

Davis is currently

13th in the league in rush attempts
2004 9th in rushing attempts
2003 19 in rushing attempts - started ten games after winning the job

That is pretty durable in the NFL. Moreover, that is value given he does not have a top 10 contract.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If you saying Davis becomes a 1250 yard back instead of squeaking out his 1,000 then I will buy that, but he is not a 1,500 guy waiting to happen. While he gets the most out his ability and what the offense provides him(better than anyone on the team), I don't see the skills needed for him to do significantly more than he is now.
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ok and i have seen a lot of guys come out of denver who "supposibly" are awesome backs and dont do much else after that, come on he has hit the 1,000 yrd mark 2 yrs in a row and will prolly make it 3 and we havent exactly had a OL like denver or most other productive teams.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe more like 1800....1200 rushing...600 recieving...and it would have to be the best season of his whole life
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I think you arent giving DD enough credit here. I think we can have a 1300 yard season if we have an above average O-line. Right now our O-line is decent which to me like a 2 out of 5. If you put DD behind New Englands or Seattle's.. one of those teams i think he a 1500 yard rusher. But obcourse hes not on ones of those teams hes on the Texans. DD has relied on being more a back out of the backfield and getting about 80-90 yards a game. If we improve the O-line i think he could be a 95-105 yard rusher a game and getting a little less out of the backfield passes. Those extra 15-25 yards a game i think would help this team out alot.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Maybe more like 1800....1200 rushing...600 recieving...and it would have to be the best season of his whole life
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He already had 1188 and 588 and 14 TDs last year in his second year in the NFL while missing one game, so he has already come within 24 total yards of your "best season of his whole life". He has plenty of room for improvement and with an improved offensive line and better coaching he can easily surpass 1300 and 700.
 
I'm not sure who u r calling good backs but there is only one back ahead of DD in yardage with a lower average...and he was reffering to 2004
 
last year he averaged 3.9 looks like he was about 27th in ypc avg.
 
Rank Player TeamYds Att Avg TDs Long
1 Shaun Alexander SEA 1496 303 4.9 23 88
2 Edgerrin James IND 1440 334 4.3 12 33
3 Tiki Barber NYG 1357 284 4.8 6 59
4 Larry Johnson KC 1251 247 5.1 14 46
5 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 1247 282 4.4 17 62
6 Warrick Dunn ATL 1247 242 5.2 3 65
7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1235 285 4.3 10 32
8 Clinton Portis WAS 1184 275 4.3 8 47
9 Reuben Droughns CLE 1103 262 4.2 2 75
10 Thomas Jones CHI 1077 250 4.3 7 42
11 Willis McGahee BUF 1032 271 3.8 4 27
12 Domanick Davis HOU 976 230 4.2 2 44
13 Steven Jackson STL 936 222 4.2 7 51
14 Cadillac Williams TB 924 223 4.1 5 71
15 LaMont Jordan OAK 893 247 3.6 9 26
16 Mike Anderson DEN 871 208 4.2 9 44
17 Willie Parker PIT 856 198 4.3 3 45
18 Ronnie Brown MIA 841 187 4.5 4 65
19 Chris Brown TEN 777 197 3.9 5 38
20 Tatum Bell DEN 749 127 5.9 5 68
21 Curtis Martin NYJ 735 220 3.3 5 49
22 Julius Jones DA 685 196 3.5 3 25
23 Jamal Lewis BAL 638 203 3.1 2 25
24 Fred Taylor JAC 625 155 4.0 2 71
25 Brian Westbrook PHI 617 156 4.0 3 31
26 Corey Dillon NE 608 164 3.7 9 29
27 Kevin Jones DET 586 168 3.5 5 40
28 Kevan Barlow SF 581 176 3.3 3 29
29 DeShaun Foster CAR 571 144 4.0 1 30
30 Mewelde Moore MIN 551 137 4.0 1 28

What i am seeing is he doesnt get enough attempts here
 
32 more attempts and he'd be tied for ninth in total yards...why doesn't he have those extra attempts ?
 
well some would say Jamal Lewis (3.1) is better or Brian Westbrook (4.0) Fred Taylor (4.0) W. McGahee (3,8) E. James (4.3) LT (4.4) R Drougns (4.2) and D> DAVIS (4.2) and yet he's so terrible i mean come on carr has been sacked 50 plus times and even though run blocking is different than pass blocking if they suck so bad at the passing part i dont imagine they are GREAT at the running part.
 
Player Team Yds Att Avg TDs Long
1 Curtis Martin NYJ 1697 371 4.6 12 25
2 Shaun Alexander SEA 1696 353 4.8 16 44
3 Corey Dillon NE 1635 345 4.7 12 44
4 Edgerrin James IND 1548 334 4.6 9 40
5 Tiki Barber NYG 1518 322 4.7 13 72
6 Rudi Johnson CIN 1454 361 4.0 12 52
7 LaDainian Toml SD 1335 339 3.9 17 42
8 Clinton Portis WAS 1315 343 3.8 5 64
9 Reuben Droughns DEN 1240 275 4.5 6 51
10 Fred Taylor JAC 1224 260 4.7 2 46
11 Domanick Davis HOU 1188 302 3.9 13 44
12 Ahman Green GB 1163 259 4.5 7 90
13 Kevin Jones DET 1133 241 4.7 5 74
14 Willis McGahee BUF 1128 284 4.0 13 41
15 Warrick Dunn ATL 1106 265 4.2 9 60
16 Deuce McAllister NO 1074 269 4.0 9 71
17 Chris Brown TEN 1067 220 4.9 6 52
18 Jamal Lewis BAL 1006 235 4.3 7 75
19 Thomas Jones CHI 948 240 4.0 7 54
20 Jerome Bettis PIT 941 250 3.8 13 29
21 Emmitt Smith ARI 937 267 3.5 9 29
22 Michael Pittman TB 926 219 4.2 7 78
23 Michael Vick ATL 902 120 7.5 3 58
24 Priest Holmes KC 892 196 4.6 14 33
25 Duce Staley PIT 830 192 4.3 1 38
26 Kevan Barlow SF 822 244 3.4 7 60
27 Nick Goings CAR 821 217 3.8 6 57
28 Julius Jones DAL 819 197 4.2 7 53
29 Brian Westbrook PHI 812 177 4.6 3 50
 
Player Team Yds Att Avg TDs Long
1 Curtis Martin NYJ 1697 371 4.6 12 25
2 Shaun Alexander SEA 1696 353 4.8 16 44
3 Corey Dillon NE 1635 345 4.7 12 44
4 Edgerrin James IND 1548 334 4.6 9 40
5 Tiki Barber NYG 1518 322 4.7 13 72
6 Rudi Johnson CIN 1454 361 4.0 12 52
7 LaDainian Toml SD 1335 339 3.9 17 42
8 Clinton Portis WAS 1315 343 3.8 5 64
9 Reuben Droughns DEN 1240 275 4.5 6 51
10 Fred Taylor JAC 1224 260 4.7 2 46
11 Domanick Davis HOU 1188 302 3.9 13 44


yeah all except 2 have more attempts !
 
OK, let's look at the top 20 rushers from last year:
...........................rush-yds-avg-TD---rec-yds-TD-tot yds-TD
Curtis Martin..........371-1697-4.6-12---41-245-2----1942-14
Shaun Alexander.....353-1696-4.8-16---23-170-4----1866-20
Corey Dillon............345-1635-4.7-12---15-103-1----1738-13
Edgerrin James........334-1548-4.6-9----51-483-0----2031-9
Tiki Barber..............322-1518-4.7-13---52-578-2----2096-15
Rudi Johnson...........361-1454-4.0-12---15-84-0-----1538-12
LaDanian Tomlinson..339-1335-3.9-17---53-441-1----1776-18
Clinton Portis...........343-1315-3.8-5---40-235-2-----1550-7
Reuben Droughns.....275-1240-4.5-6----32-241-2----1481-8
Fred Taylor.............260-1224-4.7-2----36-345-1----1569-3
Domanick Davis........302-1188-3.9-13--68-588-1----1776-14
Ahman Green...........250-1163-4.5-7---40-275-1----1438-8
Kevin Jones.............241-1133-4.7-5---28-180-1----1313-6
Willis McGahee.........284-1128-4.0-13--22-169-0----1397-13
Warrick Dunn...........265-1106-4.2-9---29-294-0----1400-9
Deuce McAllister.......269-1074-4.0-9---34-228-0----1302-9
Chris Brown.............220-1067-4.9-6---20-147-0----1213-6
Jamal Lewis.............235-1006-4.3-7---10-116-0----1122-7
Thomas Jones..........240-948-4.0-7----56-427-0----1375-7
Jerome Bettis...........250-941-3.8-13---6--46-0-----987-13

Davis was tied for fifth in the NFL in yards from scrimmage last year behind Tiki Barber, Edgerrin James, Curtis Maritn, Shaun Alexander, and tied with LaDanian Tomlinson. He tied for fourth in the NFL in total TDs behind Shaun Alexander, LaDanian Tomlinson, Tiki Barber, and tied with Curtis Martin. That sure does seem like a mediocre RB to me. I hate to bring Reggie Bush into this thread but people keep talking about how versatile he is, but it looks like our current RB is pretty versatile himself.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Mods can we get an icon for bi-polar. It seems we have a message board borne viral strain.
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Being demonstrably factually incorrect is not a violation of the terms of use. Nor is hyperbole, poor sarcasm (my own worst offense) or a number of other annoying traits. Now everyone back to their corners and let's have a clean match.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
We will just disagree here. DomDavis does not take more hits than other RBs. the nature of job is a ton of hits by people bigger than you. IMO, he is the player who benefits the least with a better OL as the run blocking for the Texans has been a decent NFL level during his stay.

The biggest knock on Davis has been his ability to stay healthy or perfom at a high enough level when dinged up.
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I disagree with you about the oline run blocking being a decent NFL level. I think he makes them look better than what they are. That is why when you stick a Hollings or Morency in there they look like ****. I am not sure about the stats but it just seems that way to me.
 
TexHorns said:
I disagree with you about the oline run blocking being a decent NFL level. I think he makes them look better than what they are. That is why when you stick a Hollings or Morency in there they look like ****. I am not sure about the stats but it just seems that way to me.
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When have you seen Hollings recently? Wells numbers are pretty similar to DomDavis in his starts. IMO, the current offense funnels the ball to the TB. If OL passed blocked better and the passing game was more efficient, I don't believe the number of touches would increase out the position (could even be fewer) . At 4.2 yards per carry, I think Davis is right about what he would get in any system. In terms ot talent to production, domDavis is the most efficient player on the Texans roster and IMO has the least room for upward growth. Not meaning to come off as knocking him unfairly.
 
DD durability is just fine he never gets injured or never misses a game he is the second coming of Emmith Smith We dont need Reggie Bush the hell with playmakers that can changethe game in a single play im happy with DD:twocents:
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
DD durability is just fine he never gets injured or never misses a game he is the second coming of Emmith Smith We dont need Reggie Bush the hell with playmakers that can changethe game in a single play im happy with DD:twocents:
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I for one think we should draft Reggie Bush he can play LB, CB, LT, DT, oline depth, RB, WR and TE all at the same time. With that talent who in there right mind would pass him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Not saying Reggie is Michael Jordan, but...

When the Portland Trailblazers asked Bobby KNight about who they should draft Sam Bowie or Michael Jordan, Bobby Knight said "Draft Michael Jordan." BUt then Portland said, "Bobby we need a center though". Bobby KNight then said, "Then take Michael Jordan and play him at center".

The point is when you get a chance to take someone that can make such an impact on the game in a variety of ways, someone like Bush you have to take and utilize him in an offensive scheme to create problems/mismatches.

If DD is healthy, line Bush up at 3rd WR and mix him in the backfield to rest DD. Sharing touches with multiple weapons is almost better than overloading one weapon throughout the year. Think of the kind of pressure an Antonio Gates takes off of a LaDanian Tomlinson.
 
The buzz around the NFL is that next year the Texans will be called the "Reggie Bush's". No, honestly It would not be bad having him IF, and only IF, the Texans can also do a major upgrade on oline and CB. If thats the case it will be more years before they get their TE, WR, ILB, and all around depth. Did I mention oline?

All the current starters in the secondary minus DRob are close to 2nd string talent if you evaluate at this point. (a few are still learning)

At least 2 starting Olinemen are 2nd string talent the rest are in the wrong positions. I am not speaking about the ones filling for injuries.

a complete TE: never had one and I dont even want to hear about Bennie Boselli.
 
Like i said before we dont need a threat at the running back position someone that can score onany given play what fun would that be i rather had a slow non gamebreaker type of rb:drool:
 
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