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David Carr

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but in those 4 yards (across his body) there are what 9 or so defenders in his view if he throws across his body or the 2 that were in front of him? Seems like he made the proper read.
 
oh I'm very aware of what the play could have potentially been called as, but you seem to be certain that it was called that way, Hulk75. I mean, couldn't it have been a simple scramble play by Carr and he rolled out and was smart enough to know to read the corner to see whether to run it or pass? Yet you seem to know ahead of time that it was CALLED this way. That is what I am curious about. In fact, listing DD responsibility to block, simply supports the fact that you KNEW what the called play out of the huddle was.

You tell Vinny to
get his facts straight
, and
He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right.

So how do YOU, Hulk75, know that? How do you know what play was called in the huddle and who had what responsibility to do what?

by the way, I just looked up the word 'sence' in the dictionary, and it doesn't exist. But since you went to college I am sure you sensed that already. :texflag:
 
Hulk75 said:
Slow down bro you will have heart attack. Before writting something get all the facts. He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. SIMPLE BUDDY. Carr sees the field very well.

Talk about getting the facts. Carr said the play was busted, so he rolled out to see if he could make anything happen.

Before you start giving people a hard time about what the play was, get the facts, dont pull them out of your arse.
 
wags said:
He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisable.
You're point is well made Wags - even Jon Elway would have been focused intently upon the same receiver that DC was and it was either throw to him,
run it in yourself, or run out of bounds. Its not as if DC was standing deep in the pocket with gobs of time to survey the entire field in front of him - he
was on a dead sprint towards and at the goal line. Some people just can't admit that, "yea you're probably right about that one."
 
Admit what? Here is the original comment (below)....I just said I'd like to see him look at more than one guy instead of locking onto one option. Look at the game if you have it taped (Dom was just a few yards away)...just a comment about what my thoughts were on Carr. This is absurd.

El Tejano said:
Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.
Can't tell yet since we haven't had many plays where he drops back and scans the field. We need to see him in multiple series before we can tell much. He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much. I see Carr chunking for around 4000 yards this year though. 23 or so TD's...so I see improvement if he can improve his vision and pocket awareness.
 
Vinny said:
He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much.
I agree that it still seems he locks in on one guy but he would have had to thrown across his body running the other way to hit Davis. It would have been a pretty tough throw IMO.
 
watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now. You guys make this 5 yard pass sound like its a 50 yard across the body throw.
 
Vinny said:
watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now.
Oh okay, I thought it was a designed bootleg. :bag:
 
I don't know what the play call was. All I stated was I wish he looked at more than one guy as an observation. People are turning a simple comment into much more than it is....just me answering a question and giving an example of what I think he needs to improve on. Ridiculous.
 
Vinny said:
watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now. You guys make this 5 yard pass sound like its a 50 yard across the body throw.

DD has three defenders around him as Carr is scrambling to the right. Swinton and the corner of the endzone only had one. I'm sure Carr was thinking run it in or get Woodson to bite and hit Swinton. Good football instincts if you ask me. Now as Carr scrambles further right the defenders follow him and DD opens up, but that is only because Carr scrambles. To hit DD Carr would have had to look and throw across his body.
 
No, DD is behind 3 defenders who all have their backs to him (as he is waiving his arms around). I'm done on this one because I'm just making a simple comment with a simple example of how he doesn't look to second options, but Carr should go without criticism here (unlike the line or the coaches or Palmer - I forgot about that rule). Go blow my simple comment out of proportion as much as you guys want. I can't take this kind of "football talk" any more.
 
Vinny said:
No, DD is behind 3 defenders who all have their backs to him (as he is waiving his arms around). I'm done on this one because I'm just making a simple comment with a simple example of how he doesn't look to second options, but Carr should go without criticism here (unlike the line or the coaches or Palmer - I forgot about that rule). Go blow my simple comment out of proportion as much as you guys want. I can't take this kind of "football talk" any more.

I'm sure most of us remember the TD pass AJ caught last year when he flipped over the defender as he brought it in. I know on that play one of the other receivers, I can't remember who, was standing all alone. It was "funny" to watch on replay, especially since it was one of the plays that raised AJ into the national consciousness and helped with his Pro Bowl bid. Good thing Dre made the play.

It's a complicated game; everybody messes up. Some just aren't allowed to be called on it.
 
I'm really just answering a question about my thoughts on Carr. I said we haven't seen enough, but I gave an example of him not looking at an open receiver to finish off what I would like to see improved in Carr's game this season. Good Old fashioned objective football talk - "hey Vinny, what do you think"....I gave an answer and an example. It's not something that most of the posters here put up with. We only like hysteria and finger pointing.
 
Curse you Vinny and your wanting to share your thoughts on the performance of a player in a preseason game. This is no place for that. :rolleyes:
 
Why can't a person just state an opinion with out getting ripped? I think it is ok to disagree with an opinion, but seems like some want to knock a person down, kick him 2-3 times before moving on. Wouldn't it be nice , if we had a back who could punch it in from with in the 5 yard line with 2 or three carries?
 
Why is everyone getting in a fuss over a play that still resulted in a touchdown. Whether he passed to DD or Swinton, it's still six.
 
Texans86 said:
Why is everyone getting in a fuss over a play that still resulted in a touchdown. Whether he passed to DD or Swinton, it's still six.

Because (a) there are a lot of bored football fanatics around here, (b) this is a message board and (c) looking at what kind of analysis Carr went through this time may be a prediction of what he will go through next time. But in the end, whoo hooo TD.
 
Can't think of many times Carr has had a chance to set up in a real pocket and check off his receivers. He seems to always be running for his life. When Carr runs to the sidelines half his options go away. I gotta tell ya, If most any of us had been pummeled by 300 pound NFL lineman for 3 yrs. like Carr we would look for 1 guy and pray too.
 
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