David Carr

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

I know it's pre-season but the Texans-Raiders game was aired in my area and I watched it just to see how the Texans are shapping up for the season and I gotta say Carr really impressed me tonight. It may just be because I havn't acctualy seen alot of Texan games but David although he had to run out of the pocket on some plays he looked real sharp to me, 6 of 8 for 43 yards and a TD may not be the most impressive of stats to some people but just watching how Carr handled his heel, running around like he did and how he rifled those passes man! he displayed a lot of guts out there tonight, he reminded me of Brett Favre tonight.

 

[Trapped]

I know it's pre-season but the Texans-Raiders game was aired in my area and I watched it just to see how the Texans are shapping up for the season and I gotta say Carr really impressed me tonight. It may just be because I havn't acctualy seen alot of Texan games but David although he had to run out of the pocket on some plays he looked real sharp to me, 6 of 8 for 43 yards and a TD may not be the most impressive of stats to some people but just watching how Carr handled his heel, running around like he did and how he rifled those passes man! he displayed a lot of guts out there tonight, he reminded me of Brett Favre tonight.

Wow, just wow. Ur always welcomed here man,for calling him a young Brett Favre and all. Ur the only Jags fan i can admit i like.

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

well thanks for the warm welcome I highly respect the Texans and they have some really good players look forward to playing you guys this year, I think they really should make the Texans and Jaguars a primetime game I think it would be more intresting to watch than most of em' and as for the Favre-Carr comparison it's because he displayed alot of Favre charecteristics (I know I am way off on the spelling of that) he showed Courage, Toughness, a cannon arm, mobility etc etc he was fun to watch tonight.

 

[bckey]

How is Matt Jones looking in preseason so far?

 

[texan279]

Jones made a helluva catch in tonight's game...he had 2 catches for 48 yards I think it was...

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

ummm Matt Jones is having a decent preseason but our big camp surprise is Reggie Williams and Chad Owens, they have really have impressed me I'm also happy that Byron had a good game every preseason the Byron haters arise from their graves and bash Byron which I believe might also happen on this board with Carr, Byron went 14-21 for I think around 120-140 yards or so (not sure) but hopefully he'll keep those numbers up the Byron haters will shut up, but things are looking well in place for us, now it's onto the Falcons.

 

[Blake]

Damn AFC south just keeps getting better and better.

Carr takes our team from a C, to a B+. He is the only reason we talk playoffs around here. Carr gives us that run/pass QB that is feared around the league. He looked good against the raiders tonight.

Byron seems to have to many options now. No matter who he throws to, he has a TD threat on the other end of his passes. Kinda freaks me out a bit that we have to play them, and the Colts two times a year...

 

[Grid]

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

I'm looking forward to the AFC South this year, it's a strong division I can't wait get the popcorn ready!!!!

 

[wags]

Carr did look pretty good. He was making good reads, threw the ball to the right side of the receiver, and actually had good pocket presence. Read that again please all you Carr haters. Good pocket presence.

 

[El Tejano]

Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.

 

[nunusguy]

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division

I thought PB looked much better this week than last. In the Broncos game he was tentative and hung back. Last night I thought he was mcuh more physical and aggressive, so hopefully he's not a totally finesse type like his hero Primetime. Deon was such a great cover corner, but I've seen few NFL football players who were so totally unwilling to hit anybody.

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

yeah it was fun to watch David play tonight I would be exeicted about Carr, if I was you guys

 

[Jwwillis]

Carr will go as far as his o-line can take him.

 

[Lucky]

Palmer is taking advantage of Carr's mobility by getting him outside the pocket. They tried that early last season with good results. But an ankle nick slowed Carr, and the Texans got away from moving him away from the pocket (intentionally). I'm not sure how much the O-line will improve, but keeping Carr on the move will help them tremendously. Right now, Palmer is letting Carr be Carr.

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

let that Carr drive!

 

[JacksonvilleJaguar4]

If Palmer does calls the kind of plays he did with Carr in the Raiders game throughout the season, I would expect some good numbers to come out of Carr this season

 

[TexansTrueFan]

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division

i feel that was true even last year !!!!

 

[MossSupaFreak]

yea we struggled catching david carr he was pretty fast moving out of the pocket....wow we need some faster lineman

 

[TexansTrueFan]

yea we struggled catching david carr he was pretty fast moving out of the pocket....wow we need some faster lineman

carr has some speed, he was 3rd among all NFL QBs in rushing yards last season !!!

 

[MossSupaFreak]

carr has some speed, he was 3rd among all NFL QBs in rushing yards last season !!!

thats pretty good his style of playing is a brett favre type of style i wouldnt say hes gonna be the next favre though because well favre is an all time great so thats gonna be a tough thing to do to become the next favre,but i will say david carr is gonna be a great quarterback, or is he already a great quarterback? lol i think hes a future pro bowler possibly NFL mvp

 

[TexansTrueFan]

thats pretty good his style of playing is a brett favre type of style i wouldnt say hes gonna be the next favre though because well favre is an all time great so thats gonna be a tough thing to do to become the next favre,but i will say david carr is gonna be a great quarterback, or is he already a great quarterback? lol i think hes a future pro bowler possibly NFL mvp

man that is some really nice words from a former/future opponent. your O should shread apart alot of defences this season !!!!

 

[MossSupaFreak]

man that is some really nice words from a former/future opponent. your O should shread apart alot of defences this season !!!!

thanks! but the question is, will our defense get shreaded? i hope not i hope our defense gets better

 

[TexansTrueFan]

hmmm i dunno i think yalls D played pretty good, but hey ur oakland always seems to have a good defense, and noone is gonna run on sapp !!!!!

 

[MossSupaFreak]

hmmm i dunno i think yalls D played pretty good, but hey ur oakland always seems to have a good defense, and noone is gonna run on sapp !!!!!

you just earned some rep

 

[TexansTrueFan]

you just earned some rep

so u actually like moss ? i mean as a person not a player, cause i mean what team wouldnt want a superstar WR. I just dont like the guys attitude/style !!!

 

[MossSupaFreak]

so u actually like moss ? i mean as a person not a player, cause i mean what team wouldnt want a superstar WR. I just dont like the guys attitude/style !!!

yup i love moss person and player i think hes perfect for our offense

 

[TexansTrueFan]

yup i love moss person and player i think hes perfect for our offense

what about him walking off the field early last season thinking they were out of the play-offs because they wwere about to lose. i mean thats not a good attitude.

 

[MossSupaFreak]

what about him walking off the field early last season thinking they were out of the play-offs because they wwere about to lose. i mean thats not a good attitude.

well you cant blame him, he was playing injured and trying hard to win that game and remember what happened last year against the cardinals? its frustrating but just let randy be randy i've met randy moss, hes a good guy

 

[thegr8fan]

being a Carr Critic myself I will say last night he did pretty good. As for his improved pocket presence, Wand was playing RG and was getting beat like a drum at a kindergarten band practice. Which of course was right in Carr's face, so no surprise that he saw most of the rush's coming.

I think the new 3 step drop, shorter route, quicker timed plays account for the definite improvement between Carr and the WR's.

I do like the fact that Carr is spreading the ball around to several WR's and not just AJ and DD. That shows a better awareness of the field and his options and even, to some extent, that the game is slowing down to a managable level for Carr to make more than his primary and dump off reads.

Overall Carr has definitely improved over last season's ending. Let hope he keeps on this track and just gets better and better.

 

[Davis37]

For everyone that is high on Carrs play against the Raiders, I want you all to think back to last preason. He did just as well, and did well in the reg season until the sack numbers started going up. Then, he started getting the "happy feet" that alot of people point out. Im not Carr bashing or anything like that, actually im a strong supporter of Carr and I think he is going to become a great player (Once he actually gets a O Line that can block). Im just saying that Carr can only go as far as the line takes him. Im all for using at least 3 of our draft picks next year on linemen. Well thats my

 

[TiltRaider]

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division

that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!

however, i agree with the original poster, david car looked really good, he is deceptively fast, faster then i thought and most people give him credit for, and when he roles out of the pocket he has a big, huge reliable target in johnson.

 

[TiltRaider]

what about him walking off the field early last season thinking they were out of the play-offs because they wwere about to lose. i mean thats not a good attitude.

when people bring that up i try to have them look at it from other perspectives.

one, i dont agree with what he did, but look at what moss has done and is about to do, after being in the nfl for 7 years he has been the most productive wr ever, in 7 years, he gave every single thing he could possibly give to the franchise and flat out produces every week. on the flipside, the vikings have always been 15+ million dollars UNDER the cap, and have never had a good defense, they could have used that money to get some mroe talent, cause if they had somewhat of a D, their offense could have taken them far, but randy was just frustrated, again, im not condoning it in any way, just saying that we should try to look at it from both sides of the fence!

i dont think he'll be dissapoitned at all this year, he finall has a solid #2 and #3 wr's in porter and curry, so now teams cannot double and triple team him like they used to, he'll get more single coverage, plus we have a great OL, which will give kerry time and LJ will run the ball nicely, so i thikn he'll be happy with what our team has to offer and i dont think he'll do what he did in MIN, Al Davis is all about winning, and granted, these past two years werent much to brag about but bringing in moss, Davis wants to won, and moss knows that is the only thing that matters, that is why we are always right around the cap, cause we try to get players to help our team, and this year it could very well fall into place.

 

[TopTexanFan16]

that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!

however, i agree with the original poster, david car looked really good, he is deceptively fast, faster then i thought and most people give him credit for, and when he roles out of the pocket he has a big, huge reliable target in johnson.

True but u have to take into prespective that we had no rush. our secondary did not play up to par but yes i do think it is the best in the AFC, this is why its a preseason game and also i do remember gettin 2 INT's againsat yall

 

[Jagsbch]

Texans rally behind Brown's FGs ong field goals rall

HOUSTON - Doug Gabriel scored two first-quarter touchdowns and the Raiders' starting offense moved the ball at will in the first half before the Texans rallied to win the preseason game 19-17 on a pair of fourth-quarter field goals of 53 and 46 yards by Kris Brown. The winner came with eight seconds left.

Gabriel, the all-but-forgotten wide receiver in an offense that should feature Randy Moss and Jerry Porter catching passes, beat Texans cornerback Demarcus Faggins for both scores.

On the first, Gabriel leaped over Faggins from behind to grab the ball out of his hands in the end zone. On the second, he slipped past Faggins on a deep route, put out both hands in a stretch for the pass from Kerry Collins and cruised 70 yards for the TD that made it 14-7.

Gabriel started six games and caught 33 passes for 551 yards and two touchdowns last season. He got the start Saturday as Porter missed his second game with hamstring problems.

Moss was covered much of the half by former Raider Phillip Buchanon, who was traded to the Texans before this year's draft. A first-round pick in 2002, Buchanon was supposed to give the Raiders a bookend corner to match All-Pro Charles Woodson, but his relationship with the team deteriorated rapidly and he asked to be traded.

The Texans got a solid, if only brief, outing from quarterback David Carr, who was hobbled all week with an inflamed left Achilles' tendon.

He seemed fine Saturday night, completing 6 of 8 for 43 yards and a touchdown on the Texans' opening drive, his only snaps of the game. He showed no sign of a gimpy leg, scrambling for 6 yards early in the drive and running out of the pocket to avoid two pass rushers several plays later. He rolled to his right before hitting Reggie Swinton with a 2-yard TD that tied the game 7-7.

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/082105/sports_20050821032.php

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division

A secondary is only as good as its pass rush. I think the Jury is still out on who has the best Secondary IMO. Our Safeties are stout, and Scott Starks is not a Cat you want to write off just yet IMO. Rashean Mathis is arguably the best CB in the South. So let the Rivalry begin.

Your secondary has allowed 543 passing yards so far.
Our stats are better with only 467 passing yards allowed.

This is going to be a fun season~!!

 

[Vinny]

Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.

Can't tell yet since we haven't had many plays where he drops back and scans the field. We need to see him in multiple series before we can tell much. He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much. I see Carr chunking for around 4000 yards this year though. 23 or so TD's...so I see improvement if he can improve his vision and pocket awareness.

 

[MossSupaFreak]

Good news is that we have the best secondary in the division

your secondary looks pretty good but i gotta go with the jaxsonville jaguars on that their secondary is so physical donovan darius is a beast

 

[wags]

He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton).

He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisable.

 

[Vinny]

Nobody is bothered by it. Can't a guy just comment on the game? Geez. Incredible...this is a football forum for football talk...get over it.

 

[Vinny]

He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisible.

QB's stop and throw to players all the time. Just an observation of mine....I just feel that it is common that Carr doesn't see the field well. If you watch the tape he doesn't look. It's just a play...and was asked about what I saw...that's what I saw.

 

[ATX]

that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!

When you have 20 years to throw the ball like Collins did, any secondary isn't going to look good. Gabriel beat our 3rd CB twice on very uncharacteristic play by D. Faggins. not to mention the 2 interceptions by the secondary that started a rookie SS 2nd or 3rd teamer from Louisiana-Lafayette in C.C. Brown. Take it for what its worth.

 

[Vinny]

I'm not in any sort of heart attack mode....I'm a pretty calm guy actually. This forum is for us to discuss football. I haven't said much about this game....I was asked what my thoughts were on Carr. I gave them. THAT's simple stuff.

 

[wags]

Nobody puts Davey in a corner. [Exit Patrick Swayze]

 

[Vinny]

All was said is he should have thrown across his body on the run. So he should have just said, "forget the play, I will do what I want" right?

I'm not a mind reader, and I don't pretend to know what's in anyone's (player or coach) head nor do I know what play goes down...I just comment on football games that I watch...been doing it here for nearly half a decade. I don't give homer views and I call it like I see it. Some of you act like I shot the President when I post what you don't want to hear.

 

[thegr8fan]

the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs.

I'm curious to know how you are so aware of what Carr's responsibility for that play was. You wouldn't be Chris Palmer in disguise would you? Cause other than the guy that drew the play up, or called it into the huddle, or Carr himself who ran it, how the heck would you know what Carr's responsibility's were?

Also you refer to DD responsibility's, which you list as blocking.

So tell me Hulk75, can I get a copy of the playbook AND the plays called into the huddle like you seem to have access to.

 

[Vinny]

"The Last Word", starring.......Mr.Decade.

I'm sorry I participate in relaying what I see. My appoligies.

 

[PapaL]

This thread: Heading towards rock bottom fast

 

[infantrycak]

Slow down bro you will have heart attack. Before writting something get all the facts. He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. SIMPLE BUDDY. Carr sees the field very well.

That play happened right in front of my seats. DD was not all the way across the field in traffic nor would it have been a difficult across the body throw. It was not a drop and throw play like the one attempted to Bradford. Carr was making time with his feat. Regardless of whether his only designated read (dubious) was Swinton or that was his 1st read, he should be looking around enough to spot when other players come open. I spotted DD open 1st--maybe from Carr's perspective he saw Swinton 1st and never needed to look. In any event the play worked, but it is certainly a fair topic for discussion.

 

[PapaL]

Throwing across your body is one of the easiest ways to get picked off, add to it running the opposite way, recipe for disaster.

 

[infantrycak]

Listen carefully okay. If a QB sprints to the pillon, he is probably not going to throw across his body to somebody else. We had a play like this in college, it is the QB, WR and the Corner in the play. The play develops quickly he doesnt have all day to read and look at guys that are supposed to be blocking.
.Thanks, hope this helped Coach Common Sence

Nice condescension.

You are acting like DD was doing something wrong on the play. We have watched DD chip and release for two seasons so that ain't flying. Plus everyone needs to stop acting like the throw to DD would have been some horrific across the body bomb for an INT. The play started on the 2. DD was 2 yards into the endzone. Carr wouldn't have had to throw the ball more than 7 or so yards when DD came open.

It's fine to think Carr did perfect on the play, but there is no reason to fly off on people who question that fact or to make up stuff to defend what he did.