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David Carr the best thing for the Texans?

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this past week was satisfying beyond anyones wildest dreams & we have david carr to thank. all the negative pub, the unleashing of pent up anger & frustration released, don't we all feel a whole lot better now? thanks david

if not for David Carr the Texans would not have still been selecting 1st overall 5 years latter, hence no Mario Williams. thanks david

if not for David Carr Andre Johnson would have already been injured as teams looked for ways to knock him out of the game, as it was they were happy to leave him in double coverage with little consequence towards the outcome of the game. thanks david

if not for David Carr Matt Schaub would be the starting QB for the Atlanta Falcons. he would not be a Texan tearing holes in defenses like an opener on a can of tuna. thanks david

if not for David Carr the braintrust of Kubiak/Smith would not have focused extra emphasis on the offensive line to insure the QB is protected in a scheme that releases the ball in 1001, 1002, 1003, thanks david

so the next time y'all go bashing david carr stop yourself & think about how the Texans got to here & why? you'll be pleasently surprised :)
 
I don't care what anyone says. I still like David Carr. He's class act who became the gun-shy scapegoat for a lacklustre offensive line, a mediocre coach and a pathetic GM. Quit bashing the guy already he's moved on. BTW...how do you start a thread? I've been here for a year and still don't know how to start a thread.
 
Dread-Head-001 said:
I don't care what anyone says. I still like David Carr. He's class act who became the gun-shy scapegoat for a lacklustre offensive line, a mediocre coach and a pathetic GM. Quit bashing the guy already he's moved on. BTW...how do you start a thread? I've been here for a year and still don't know how to start a thread.
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DH.. where ya been man?? Japan??

By the way - go into whatever forum you want to start the new thread in and look at the top left corner. It kinda looks like a Texas Flag, but says "New Thread"
 
Dread-Head-001 said:
....BTW...how do you start a thread? I've been here for a year and still don't know how to start a thread.
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Texan_Bill said:
DH.. where ya been man?? Japan??

By the way - go into whatever forum you want to start the new thread in and look at the top left corner. It kinda looks like a Texas Flag, but says "New Thread"
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Texan_Bill said:
DH.. where ya been man?? Japan??

By the way - go into whatever forum you want to start the new thread in and look at the top left corner. It kinda looks like a Texas Flag, but says "New Thread"
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...the small buxom Japanese one and I are currently estranged. We may work out our differences...we may not. She hit me with more drama than Julliard.
 
Dread-Head-001 said:
I don't care what anyone says. I still like David Carr. He's class act who became the gun-shy scapegoat for a lacklustre offensive line, a mediocre coach and a pathetic GM. Quit bashing the guy already he's moved on. BTW...how do you start a thread? I've been here for a year and still don't know how to start a thread.
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I can see a Second Honeymoon rant coming real soon.:user:
 
TexansLucky13 said:
David took a lot for this team. People do need to give him some respect.
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Respect? For what? He got paid. That's all that matters to him, the money, but not gaining our respect. I doubt he gives a rat's behind what Houston fans think of him.

He took a lot from this team, too. If he can admit now that he didn't want to be here, then why sign an $8 million extension? He openly admits that he stopped having fun years ago. So it's not love of the game, not be a champion or lead a new franchise to a winning season. It's about the money.

It was never his fault that he failed. Never once did he accept full responsibility for his play. And guess what? It's now obvious that it wasn't the line's fault, either. So it's nobody's fault that he's the Happy Backup.

iiwii.

Respect is earned, IMO. As a human being, I afford him the respect that I give any good person.

But as a football player, we owe him nothing, the least of all our respect.
 
Double Barrel said:
Respect? For what? He got paid. That's all that matters to him, the money, but not gaining our respect. I doubt he gives a rat's behind what Houston fans think of him.

He took a lot from this team, too. If he can admit now that he didn't want to be here, then why sign an $8 million extension? He openly admits that he stopped having fun years ago. So it's not love of the game, not be a champion or lead a new franchise to a winning season. It's about the money.

It was never his fault that he failed. Never once did he accept full responsibility for his play. And guess what? It's now obvious that it wasn't the line's fault, either. So it's nobody's fault that he's the Happy Backup.

iiwii.

Respect is earned, IMO. As a human being, I afford him the respect that I give any good person.

But as a football player, we owe him nothing, the least of all our respect.
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I'm going to 2nd this.:specnatz:

By the way, what does iiwii mean?
 
Respect David Carr??? Never. Stop blaming his shortcomings on the rest of the team. He had five years to show EVEN A FLASH of brilliance and he showed us NOTHING. Good riddance. Take your millions and get lost, Carr. Don't let the gates of Reliant Park hit you on the way out.

If anyone needs a primer on how David Carr can turn an EASY Texans first down into a six point score by the Raiders defense, click here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMd3FdudDH0

bpe3
 
iiwii = it is what it is. In this case, Carr is who he is, and it's nobody's fault.

My 2c on Carr. He is exactly where he deserves to be. A backup. He played his way there. Every team in the NFL had a chance to sign him and make him a starter. None did so, so that shows you how the NFL percieves his talent. He wasn't THE problem with Houston, obviously. The defense has completely remade itself, particularly up front, and Green is a far better option than Carr had the last few years when he was REALLY bad. Carr is simply not a good quarterback though, and apparently there's not a team in the NFL that would argue.
 
Dan B. said:
iiwii = it is what it is. In this case, Carr is who he is, and it's nobody's fault.

My 2c on Carr. He is exactly where he deserves to be. A backup. He played his way there. Every team in the NFL had a chance to sign him and make him a starter. None did so, so that shows you how the NFL percieves his talent. He wasn't THE problem with Houston, obviously. The defense has completely remade itself, particularly up front, and Green is a far better option than Carr had the last few years when he was REALLY bad. Carr is simply not a good quarterback though, and apparently there's not a team in the NFL that would argue.
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IMO, I think Carr's problem is that under pressure, he just couldn't see the field and make a determination of what to do under pressure. In college, you play against comparative players on average, with the occasional exception regarding NFL caliber players. In the NFL, you're playing against the college's 'cream of the crop'. The level of play is stepped up dramatically, and the transition needed to make those judgment calls is ramped up dramatically. I don't think he had it in him to play at this level.

Again, all this is of my opinion...
 
2BCarrFree said:
LOL

Yep, he took our time, money and dreams for 5 long years.

Good Riddance.


I believe this is the site you and Dread are looking for:
http://www.panthers.com/home/
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I love the Texans. If David was not the fit, then he wasn't the fit. Do not ever attempt to make me look like the kind of person who would bail on my team because of one player. EVER.

Double Barrel said:
Respect? For what? He got paid. That's all that matters to him, the money, but not gaining our respect. I doubt he gives a rat's behind what Houston fans think of him.

He took a lot from this team, too. If he can admit now that he didn't want to be here, then why sign an $8 million extension? He openly admits that he stopped having fun years ago. So it's not love of the game, not be a champion or lead a new franchise to a winning season. It's about the money.

It was never his fault that he failed. Never once did he accept full responsibility for his play. And guess what? It's now obvious that it wasn't the line's fault, either. So it's nobody's fault that he's the Happy Backup.

iiwii.

Respect is earned, IMO. As a human being, I afford him the respect that I give any good person.

But as a football player, we owe him nothing, the least of all our respect.
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Whatever, DB. I think you have been drinking in the anti-Carr sentiment a bit too much for your own good. I am not defending him in saying that he was a good player, but I am saying that he was a Texan, nonetheless. I don't think he was "doing it just for money", considering the whipping he took. Sure, last year could have been about money, but not the first few years. The fact is we DID have a dismal Offensive line, and he DID get his a** handed to him.

David Carr is the product of this franchise, just like the franchise was a product of him. We have moved on now, and that is what is important. You don't see me lurking around Carr threads defending him anymore (with this one being a rare exception).
 
Dread-Head-001 said:
I don't care what anyone says. I still like David Carr. He's class act who became the gun-shy scapegoat for a lacklustre offensive line, a mediocre coach and a pathetic GM. Quit bashing the guy already he's moved on. BTW...how do you start a thread? I've been here for a year and still don't know how to start a thread.
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Hello Davie Carr apologist. Thanks for your weak take and lame excuses for Mickey Carr....

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Dave Carr's failures were due to his own incompetence. You obviously haven't watched a Texans game this season and seen Matt Schaub perform behind the same exact offensive line. And his coach and GM are the same as they were last year when he was absolutely miserable as an NFL QB. Can you come up with any other excuses because these just don't hold water.
 
After the emotional and monetary investment I've made in this team, I feel I can bash Carr all I want. In short order, we've gone from laughingstock to respectable with minimal offensive changes. Carr couldn't read a defense when he was coming up to the line, much less after he was under pressure. The dude is exactly that.. a DUDE. That ain't a compliment where I come from. He can lay back and goldbrick his way to more millions while letting someone else shoulder the burden of leading a team and earning their paycheck.
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TexansLucky13 said:
Whatever, DB. I think you have been drinking in the anti-Carr sentiment a bit too much for your own good. I am not defending him in saying that he was a good player, but I am saying that he was a Texan, nonetheless. I don't think he was "doing it just for money", considering the whipping he took. Sure, last year could have been about money, but not the first few years. The fact is we DID have a dismal Offensive line, and he DID get his a** handed to him.

David Carr is the product of this franchise, just like the franchise was a product of him. We have moved on now, and that is what is important. You don't see me lurking around Carr threads defending him anymore (with this one being a rare exception).
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"anti-Carr sentiment" ...hmmmmm...I think FIVE seasons and 70+ starts gives me all the insight I need about David Carr. I certainly don't need to read anyone else's takes to form MY OWN OPINION.

"fact is we DID have a dismal Offensive line"

THREE - count them - of our linemen were on the team in 2002. Does that register at all with you? Can you see past your mancrush to comprehend that our line did not change, yet it is vastly improved in front of other QBs? Heck, even Rosenfels and Banks looked good behind a line that Carr got sacked in record numbers.

What changed?! Can you please tell me? Because I don't understand your perspective, much less make much sense of it.

"David Carr is the product of this franchise, just like the franchise was a product of him." - by the same token, the first five LOSING seasons were a product of David Carr. It is hand in Mickey Mouse glove. Sure, it's a team sport, but there is little doubt that some positions hold more influence and sway than others. The QB position is important because it is one of those positions. It requires a lot more than just football skills, too.

The fact is that Carr is a dismal QB. I can argue with message board poster, or just understand that 31 other teams did not want to sign him as a starter. Hmmmm, who has more clout? :um:

I'm not doggin' you or calling you out. But, to say that we have to respect him as a football player because he was a Houston Texan is absurd, IMO. He did nothing to earn the respect of the fans or his teammates.

The emperor has no clothes and David Carr is a big, fat bust. The FO admitted as much by cutting him less than a year of signing him to an extension.

DocBar said:
After the emotional and monetary investment I've made in this team, I feel I can bash Carr all I want. In short order, we've gone from laughingstock to respectable with minimal offensive changes. Carr couldn't read a defense when he was coming up to the line, much less after he was under pressure. The dude is exactly that.. a DUDE. That ain't a compliment where I come from. He can lay back and goldbrick his way to more millions while letting someone else shoulder the burden of leading a team and earning their paycheck.
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Word. :howdy:
 
Double Barrel said:
"anti-Carr sentiment" ...hmmmmm...I think FIVE seasons and 70+ starts gives me all the insight I need about David Carr. I certainly don't need to read anyone else's takes to form MY OWN OPINION.
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How dare you state your own opinion!

This is a message board for cryin out loud.
 
Double Barrel said:
"anti-Carr sentiment" ...hmmmmm...I think FIVE seasons and 70+ starts gives me all the insight I need about David Carr. I certainly don't need to read anyone else's takes to form MY OWN OPINION.

"fact is we DID have a dismal Offensive line"

THREE - count them - of our linemen were on the team in 2002. Does that register at all with you? Can you see past your mancrush to comprehend that our line did not change, yet it is vastly improved in front of other QBs? Heck, even Rosenfels and Banks looked good behind a line that Carr got sacked in record numbers.

What changed?! Can you please tell me? Because I don't understand your perspective, much less make much sense of it.

"David Carr is the product of this franchise, just like the franchise was a product of him." - by the same token, the first five LOSING seasons were a product of David Carr. It is hand in Mickey Mouse glove. Sure, it's a team sport, but there is little doubt that some positions hold more influence and sway than others. The QB position is important because it is one of those positions. It requires a lot more than just football skills, too.

The fact is that Carr is a dismal QB. I can argue with message board poster, or just understand that 31 other teams did not want to sign him as a starter. Hmmmm, who has more clout? :um:

I'm not doggin' you or calling you out. But, to say that we have to respect him as a football player because he was a Houston Texan is absurd, IMO. He did nothing to earn the respect of the fans or his teammates.

The emperor has no clothes and David Carr is a big, fat bust. The FO admitted as much by cutting him less than a year of signing him to an extension.



Word. :howdy:
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Are you seriously going to sit here and say that we had a good offensive line, and that David Carr was the problem all along? The fact that three of the starters are still here means absolutely nothing.

Two of the people you are referring to are Weary and Pitts. I have never had a problem with those guys. They are good guards. The fact is, we NEVER had good tackles. Sure, the ones we tested out were always good at run blocking, but their pass blocking skills BLEW.

We were screwed when Boselli didn't play. That is the over and under of the first few seasons on the o-line. If you want to argue that David was the problem last year, THAT IS FINE. But do NOT sit here and try and feed me that garbage about how David was "ALWAYS" the problem.
 
Carr always had been the major problem on the field and off the field from a team building stand point. Anyone that did not get that before and does not get that now needs to put their brain back inside their head and stop playing with it.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Carr always had been the major problem on the field and off the field from a team building stand point. Anyone that did not get that before and does not get that now needs to put their brain back inside their head and stop playing with it.
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Ah, the prototypical KT response. Right on time, too.

I am not saying that David was not a huge problem. What I am saying is this... it is downright stupid to say that the offensive line was not a problem.
 
UNBELIEVABLE

Looks like TexansLucky13's MAN-LOVE for Carr runs deep.
You poor bastard.

He just NEG REP'D me for this post:

Originally Posted by TexansLucky13
David took a lot for this team. People do need to give him some respect.
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LOL

Yep, he took our time, money and dreams for 5 long years.

Good Riddance.


I believe this is the site you and Dread are looking for:
http://www.panthers.com/home/

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TexansLucky13 said:
I am not saying that David was not a huge problem. What I am saying is this... it is downright stupid to say that the offensive line was not a problem.
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C'mon man, you're just a poster on an Internet message board. So it's not going to kill you to fess up and admit that you're wrong about how bad the offensive line was, and about how the offensive line was the reason why Carr turned out the way he did.

If McNair and Kubiak can admit they were wrong about him, you can too. I drank the "It ain't Carr, it's the OL" kool-aid for over 4 years. I so desperately wanted to believe that Carr would eventually be QB to take us where we needed to go. And I was one of those who bashed the "Carr-haters".

Looking back on it, we can now really see how huge an impact it was when Tony Boselli never played a down. If Boselli had played, Carr's incompetence would have shown itself a whole lot sooner. Lord knows what the makeup of this team would be like today if that had happened.:hmmm:
 
TexansLucky13 said:
I am not saying that David was not a huge problem. What I am saying is this... it is downright stupid to say that the offensive line was not a problem.
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How much evidence do you friggin need?

Carr is gone and we are 2-0 for the first time in team history, with the same o-line. Everyone in the locker room says how much better Schaub is at getting rid of the ball, at being a leader and a field general. He has thrown Andre 3 td's in the first two weeks of the season.

WAKE THE F' UP BUDDY!
 
TexansLucky13 said:
Are you seriously going to sit here and say that we had a good offensive line, and that David Carr was the problem all along? The fact that three of the starters are still here means absolutely nothing.
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Are you seriously going to sit here and just blow it out of your assumption?

You're making things up. I never said that Carr was the only problem. But the reality is that he was a big part of the problem.

If the fact that three starters means absolutely nothing to you, then maybe the fact that Carr was cut by this team and failed to land a starting job with 31 other NFL teams means something to you.

Otherwise, you're just being obtuse and delusional, and I mean those as compliments in this case.

TexansLucky13 said:
But do NOT sit here and try and feed me that garbage about how David was "ALWAYS" the problem.
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I'm not trying to "feed you" anything.

YOU are the one that entered this thread and spewed forth that we "do need to give him some respect" for "David took a lot for this team". I suppose if you were to be an expert at verbal garbage, it's only because of your experience with creating it.

TexansLucky13 said:
I am not saying that David was not a huge problem.
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Then why, exactly, should we respect him as a football player. Dude is a bust in every sense of the term.

Enough of your myopic, emotional outbursts about one of our former players. You're lucky that I even bother responding to your blatant assumptions with no basis in reality.
 
David Carr was an awful QB with no field presence, let alone pocket presence.

How remedial (or nervous) do you have to be to throw the ball while past the line of scrimmage 2 times within the span of 1 quater ?

How about the fact that David thought a "big play" was 15 yard slant...

What kind of football player wears two white latex looking gloves, and flips his hair like a woman ?

The guy doesn't have the mental make-up to be a front line QB. Pretty much as simple as that.
 
Double Barrel said:
Are you seriously going to sit here and just blow it out of your assumption?

You're making things up. I never said that Carr was the only problem. But the reality is that he was a big part of the problem.

If the fact that three starters means absolutely nothing to you, then maybe the fact that Carr was cut by this team and failed to land a starting job with 31 other NFL teams means something to you.

Otherwise, you're just being obtuse and delusional, and I mean those as compliments in this case.



I'm not trying to "feed you" anything.

YOU are the one that entered this thread and spewed forth that we "do need to give him some respect" for "David took a lot for this team". I suppose if you were to be an expert at verbal garbage, it's only because of your experience with creating it.



Then why, exactly, should we respect him as a football player. Dude is a bust in every sense of the term.

Enough of your myopic, emotional outbursts about one of our former players. You're lucky that I even bother responding to your blatant assumptions with no basis in reality.
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I find it funny that you ignored my argument altogether and went with the cheap shots instead. I didn't expect that from you.

If throwing Carr under the bus and blaming all our past failures on him makes you happy, go ahead. There was only one person on this message board whose respect I admired, and that person left because of people like you.

You started this, and then tried to tell me that you weren't singling me out. Of course, after that, all the mindless Carr bashers jumped in. I couldn't care less about them, but I had always read your posts and admired your point of view. Today, things have changed.

If you want to respond, try talking about the debate that I tried to create, and not the toilet that the other bashers are swimming in. If you can't find it, it is because you aren't looking. If that is the case, this whole thread was dead before it was created.
 
It's not "throwing anyone under the bus" when you review Texans history and form educated opinions about players.

For the record (as you seem to desire to pigeonhole me with assumptions):I've never stated it was all Carr's fault.

But you cannot deny that he was BIG part of five losing seasons. Of course it's a team sport and others are responsible, as well, but they're all gone and we don't have a plethora of Capers-homers or any other emotional attachment like some have for David Carr.

You take things to a personal level and then cry when others respond accordingly. I don't understand the mentality of calling someone out but being too thin-skinned to read the replies. I never intend to make points about posters unless they quote me or verbally attack me. You put yourself in that position, and I'd hope you understand the nature of the debate.

My reply to your original post was 100% about David Carr. If today things have changed, then it's in your mind and so be it. I have nothing personal against you and hold you in high regard in the same way I respect 99.9% of the members here. This is merely a heated discussion about a former player that has become a lightning rod of sorts, and if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

We owe David Carr nothing. He got paid. Feel free to respect him all you want, but don't get emotional when other fans do not share your perspective.
 
Double Barrel said:
It's not "throwing anyone under the bus" when you review Texans history and form educated opinions about players.

For the record (as you seem to desire to pigeonhole me with assumptions):I've never stated it was all Carr's fault.

But you cannot deny that he was BIG part of five losing seasons. Of course it's a team sport and others are responsible, as well, but they're all gone and we don't have a plethora of Capers-homers or any other emotional attachment like some have for David Carr.

You take things to a personal level and then cry when others respond accordingly. I don't understand the mentality of calling someone out but being too thin-skinned to read the replies. I never intend to make points about posters unless they quote me or verbally attack me. You put yourself in that position, and I'd hope you understand the nature of the debate.

My reply to your original post was 100% about David Carr. If today things have changed, then it's in your mind and so be it. I have nothing personal against you and hold you in high regard in the same way I respect 99.9% of the members here. This is merely a heated discussion about a former player that has become a lightning rod of sorts, and if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

We owe David Carr nothing. He got paid. Feel free to respect him all you want, but don't get emotional when other fans do not share your perspective.
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You are correct in saying that I take things too personal. That said, I believe that your attacks on me were without merit. But that doesn't matter.

I want to debate this. Lets put this whole pie throwing contest aside and talk.

Topic number one.

Two of the three Offensive linemen you are referring to are Pitts and Weary. IMO, they are and always have been good guards. My debate is about the tackles we have rotated in and out of that line. I do not believe that they ever had the pass blocking skills necessary of a tackle. Sure, they could run block with the best.... but they never quite had it in the passing game.

Your response?
 
TexansLucky13 said:
I find it funny that you ignored my argument altogether and went with the cheap shots instead. I didn't expect that from you.

If throwing Carr under the bus and blaming all our past failures on him makes you happy, go ahead. There was only one person on this message board whose respect I admired, and that person left because of people like you.

You started this, and then tried to tell me that you weren't singling me out. Of course, after that, all the mindless Carr bashers jumped in. I couldn't care less about them, but I had always read your posts and admired your point of view. Today, things have changed.

If you want to respond, try talking about the debate that I tried to create, and not the toilet that the other bashers are swimming in. If you can't find it, it is because you aren't looking. If that is the case, this whole thread was dead before it was created.
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A little melodramatic of a post...

I mean is David Carr really worth any of this???
 
TexansLucky13 said:
You are correct in saying that I take things too personal. That said, I believe that your attacks on me were without merit. But that doesn't matter.

I want to debate this. Lets put this whole pie throwing contest aside and talk.

Topic number one.

Two of the three Offensive linemen you are referring to are Pitts and Weary. IMO, they are and always have been good guards. My debate is about the tackles we have rotated in and out of that line. I do not believe that they ever had the pass blocking skills necessary of a tackle. Sure, they could run block with the best.... but they never quite had it in the passing game.

Your response?
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My last statement in this thread...

DC is not worth the time!
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Carr always had been the major problem on the field and off the field from a team building stand point. Anyone that did not get that before and does not get that now needs to put their brain back inside their head and stop playing with it.
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KT, you assume I have a brain? WOW, I appreciate the kind words !
 
TexansLucky13 said:
It is worth it to me to understand why the general public believes that our offensive line was not the problem.
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Well if you can't see that Carr couldn't manage a NFL game with the same linemen you may want to stop and consider your pov.
 
to stay on-topic, i can't imagine any player who cost the franchise that much money for that long of a time can be any good to a team.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I can see a Second Honeymoon rant coming real soon.:user:
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nahh....not today. it's not my fault that people don't know diddly about football. nothing I can do about it. sometimes you gotta let people have their opinions no matter how misguided and uninformed they are. i want to focus on what we have now and not what we were unfortunate enough to have the past 5 years. Lets kick the crap out of the Colts this week.

a lot of old wounds healed last Sunday v. the Panthers. we finally shook our expansion tag and played like a legitimate NFL team. we have a lot to be thankful for. no reason to keep bringing up how awful Carr was at QB. People may continue to make excuses for him or show some sort of retarded appreciation for what he did, but that is their prerogative and no amount of rants, facts, or logic will ever change the fact that Carr sucked and was a pitiful and pathetic QB. People can keep blaming others and making excuses but we all know the truth now....its all painfully obvious now to anyone with a brain. That is their own problem, not mine.

OT - Selling my 4 field level end zone seats (sec 134 row r) and 2 parking passes for $370 to Texans fans and $410 to Colts fans. They are just ridiculously awesome seats but I need some extra money at the moment and can't commit 7 hours on Sunday for football/tailgating due to family commitments. Hopefully they shoot the game in HD...

Raising my 5 year old princess > Football...i know its crazy, but its true :)
 
TexansLucky13 said:
It is worth it to me to understand why the general public believes that our offensive line was not the problem.
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Because the same line that was protecting Carr is protecting Schaub. This season we have 2 games under our belt with 2 sacks recorded on us.

Have you actually watched any of the Texans games for the past 5 years up until last week? If so then I am completely lost as to why we are having this conversation.

The "general public" consisted of people carrying opinions based off of what ESPN was saying, so I am assuming the "general public" you are actually referring to are the knowledgeable folks on this board that formed their own opinions from what they actually saw taking place. The people on this board, that have actually watched all of the games or likely even hold season tickets have seen what Carr was doing and called him on it for the past 5 years. Funny how now the media suddenly sees it as well.

Who gives you your analysis and opinions regarding the Texans?
 
Exithios said:
Because the same line that was protecting Carr is protecting Schaub. This season we have 2 games under our belt with 2 sacks recorded on us.

Have you actually watched any of the Texans games for the past 5 years up until last week? If so then I am completely lost as to why we are having this conversation.

The "general public" consisted of people carrying opinions based off of what ESPN was saying, so I am assuming the "general public" you are actually referring to are the knowledgeable folks on this board that formed their own opinions from what they actually saw taking place. The people on this board, that have actually watched all of the games or likely even hold season tickets have seen what Carr was doing and called him on it for the past 5 years. Funny how now the media suddenly sees it as well.

Who gives you your analysis and opinions regarding the Texans?
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Here we go with this "same offensive line" stuff. The two most important positions in regards to the passing game are LT and RT. In case you didn't know, we didn't have Salaam or Winston in 2002.

Name me one good pass blocking LT we had at that time, other than Boselli, who never played.
 
btw, i don't think there's any reason to insult a guy who still likes Carr. he WAS a nice guy, and while Carr wasn't that great, you certainly can't place all the blame on him. the defense had plenty of problems, the coaching was a disaster, etc etc. and it's not as easy to point to the 2-0 record now and say that it's clear that the biggest difference is Carr. no, the defense is playing better, the o-line is playing better, the special teams are playing better, the coaching is better...and why not? they have more experience now. it's not all on Carr.
 
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