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Could Smith & Obrien surprise us in the Draft at WR ?

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Laquon Treadwell

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40-time: 4.63

Vertical Jump: 33 inches

Round Projection: 1

Mayock: "He didn't run at the combine and there was a reason he didn't run. He's not fast. Ran a 4.63 at his Pro Day. That's what he is. If you draft this guy, you have to commit to what he is. He's a big-bodied wide receiver who won't create separation with speed, but is competitive and has great hands. He goes and chases everything. When the ball's in the air, he thinks it's his. The kid thinks he's going to be Dez Bryant, but he doesn't have that kind of speed or explosion."


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No surprise if they go WR with 1.22, but would you be surprised if they did that and didn't take a speed-guy like Coleman or Fuller ? As we know Billy went in person to the Baylor WRs (Coleman) proday and made a big fuss over his workout.
Here mock guru Mike Mayoc leaves no doubt that he thinks Treadwell is the best WR in this years class, and doesn't sidestep his speed issue, which is he's slow, average at best speed wise. But he's got outstanading hands, can run routes ,is a capable blocker which is a rare skill for college WRs.
Not predicting this, but who knows ?
 
JB said:
If they do that I'd much rather have Doctson than Treadwell
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Right, that would be another WR prospect without flashy proday/combine times/performances but who's a steady capable receiver who could potentially be a solid #2 for us or another NFL team, except like Treadwell he's not gonna scare the defending secondary with his speed.
 
Docston has Treadwell's height and at least equals if not surpasses his hands and route running. 4.50 is "slow" only when compared to Coleman's 4.37 or Fuller's 4.32. For me it's Docston, Coleman and Shepherd before Treadwell. Also Peake could end up being better than Treadwell.
 
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My guy does spreadsheets on past examples. He doesnt even have Treadwell in 1st 3 rds
 

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Wolf6151 said:
The WR surprise that we get from Smith and O'Brien might only be a late round selection only.
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Yes absolutely ! I totally agree that that could be a scenario that could play out during the Draft for us at WR. This is reatively weak year for WRs compared to recent Drafts and they might think they should go with a more highly rated player at another position for 1.22 - BPA.
Kolby Listenbee (TCU) is one of the fastest players (10 flat 100M sprinter) in this Draft and is not expected to go higher than the 3rd round if that high ? Maybe a name to keep in mind ?
Put him out there wide the other side of D-Hop and send him straight down the sideline - definite distraction for the safeties. BTW I watched his tape and he made some impressive catchs - he can catch the ball.
 
infantrycak said:
And where did he have Fitz?



Is having 'a guy' supposed to add gravitas?
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No, he's been doing this matrix thing for like 10 yrs or so. Out of the blue, he said he wouldn't touch Treadwell. My reasons were different, but same conclusions. He finished the chart and sent it to me and I thought I would share it. Thats all.
 
I completely disagree about Treadwell. He came back from a difficult injury and straight out competes guys for the ball. Maybe he's not going to run by everyone but good luck beating him to the ball when it's in the air. He's strong when the ball is in the air, when he needs to break tackles, and mentally when he needs to overcome adversity. He also blocks very well and competes on every play.

Treadwell my #1 receiver. I think he's going to be very good in the NFL.

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Wolf6151 said:
The WR surprise that we get from Smith and O'Brien might only be a late round selection only.
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Exactly what I came in here to say.

I could see them taking one high and I could see them waiting and taking a mid round or later guy.

I really think it depends on who is there.
TexansSeminole said:
I completely disagree about Treadwell. He came back from a difficult injury and straight out competes guys for the ball. Maybe he's not going to run by everyone but good luck beating him to the ball when it's in the air. He's strong when the ball is in the air, when he needs to break tackles, and mentally when he needs to overcome adversity. He also blocks very well and competes on every play.

Treadwell my #1 receiver. I think he's going to be very good in the NFL.

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I've watched a little of treadwell, Doctson and Coleman. I think those three guys are really good.

I think Doctson will be first off the board because he's kind of the complete package. I think Coleman could be next and I think Fuller could even slip ahead of treadwell because of his speed.


But some team will take Treadwell and he will be a draft day steal.

I think the top three are a good deal better than fuller as WR's.

As far as who the better pro will be out of the top three I think it depends on what teams they go to. I really think there's is something to like a lot about each of the top three guys.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Exactly what I came in here to say.

I could see them taking one high and I could see them waiting and taking a mid round or later guy.

I really think it depends on who is there.


I've watched a little of treadwell, Doctson and Coleman. I think those three guys are really good.

I think Doctson will be first off the board because he's kind of the complete package. I think Coleman could be next and I think Fuller could even slip ahead of treadwell because of his speed.


But some team will take Treadwell and he will be a draft day steal.

I think the top three are a good deal better than fuller as WR's.

As far as who the better pro will be out of the top three I think it depends on what teams they go to. I really think there's is something to like a lot about each of the top three guys.
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Good points.

Traits I look for more and more are mental toughness and competitiveness. Obviously, we as fans are limited in our ability to get the complete picture when it comes to those traits, but I think they are the most important for all athletes in all sports. You must have those traits to be great. Treadwell passes that test with flying colors. Gruesome injury followed by a tenacity to get back to competing on every play.
 
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Wolf6151 said:
The WR surprise that we get from Smith and O'Brien might only be a late round selection only.
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I dunno how much of a surprise that would be to me anymore. Every year i find myself focusing on prospects for the 1-2 priority need positions i think the team has. Every year they go a different direction. The draft has become less and less fun to me because of it.

At this point i could settle for a wr a bit later in the draft if we add a te early. Just land a skill player to boost this offense. Defenses need to learn early this year that they can't focus exclusively on DHOP. Maybe Lamar Miller is that guy but I'd add pieces till we know something, anything for certain.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I completely disagree about Treadwell. He came back from a difficult injury and straight out competes guys for the ball. Maybe he's not going to run by everyone but good luck beating him to the ball when it's in the air. He's strong when the ball is in the air, when he needs to break tackles, and mentally when he needs to overcome adversity. He also blocks very well and competes on every play.

Treadwell my #1 receiver. I think he's going to be very good in the NFL.

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Isn't that offensive pass interference?
 
As someone who has watched a lot of both, Treadwell has always reminded me a lot of Andre in that he is big, tough, finds separation, is hard to bring down and can always fight and win those contested throws. Those quick slants and screens Andre always ran? Treadwell was consistently used the same way - always gets away from the first defender breaking tackles and stiff arming them. For someone who is "slow" you just scratch you're head when he's completely wide open time and time again in games. And he's not overlooked he's hands down the best WR in the SEC and teams KNOW he's our top player.

Do I think a speedster would compliment Hopkins better? Yes but I don't need to draft that in the first round. Do I pass another Andre Johnson type of WR bc we want some 4.3 speedster? Heck no. If Treadwell is there at #22 I'd be running to the podium and look for a speedster later on in the draft. That would be an incredibly dynamic offense that Brock would be thankful for. You guys may want a super fast player and that's fine but make no mistake Treadwell is a "Texan caliber" type of player and is going to have a fine long NFL career.

I just don't think we're even going to have an option to select him, he will be gone before our pick.
 
infantrycak said:
Do folks remember AJ was a 4.3 guy, track star? Back when they did fastest man at the pro bowl just behind Green and if it had been 10 yds longer.
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Yes he was very quick. Doesn't make the similarities of Treadwell being big, strong, hard to bring down, ability to win jump balls, and overall style of play any less relevant now does it??
 
I'd like Doctson to be the pick #22 but with us needing a slot WR, it will come down to 2 players.

Shepard or Coleman

Whoever the coaches like more and if I had to guess, I'd say Shepard.
 
infantrycak said:
Wasn't saying it did. But AJ was fast
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AJ was indeed fast. The Texans seemed to rarely take advantage of it over the course of his career IMO. Started with Carr who could not seem to lead him and during his time they had no real opposite for AJ so the CB always seemed to have help. Then Schaub appeared and we got AJ's best years with Walter and Daniels having to be covered but the Texans always seemed obsessed with those damn WR screens and plays that had AJ run to a spot and wait for the ball. We never had that QB who could hit him in stride consistently and anticipate his moves like Peyton could do with Harrison/Wayne or Brees could do with just about anybody he spent any time with. Maybe it was our system but we squandered AJ's speed.

Then we went out and got Jadopey Jones to be our speed guy and that only paid off sporadically.
 
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AngryNateFTW said:
I'd like Doctson to be the pick #22 but with us needing a slot WR, it will come down to 2 players.

Shepard or Coleman

Whoever the coaches like more and if I had to guess, I'd say Shepard.
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Neither Coleman or Shepard play inside. Both have questionable hands in the intermediate zone across the middle. Of course, this doesn't mean that coaches won't make the decision to play them inside.

Shorts is our slot receiver and the slot was Strong's most productive position in college.

In a three receiver set I see Hopkins and Coleman on the outside and Strong in the slot.
 
Number19 said:
Neither Coleman or Shepard play inside. Both have questionable hands in the intermediate zone across the middle. Of course, this doesn't mean that coaches won't make the decision to play them inside.

Shorts is our slot receiver and the slot was Strong's most productive position in college.

In a three receiver set I see Hopkins and Coleman on the outside and Strong in the slot.
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While I agree that SHorts and Strong can play slots, you are only one I've seen saying Shepherd cannot. From John Harris top 100:
Harris 100 Previous Rating: 71 Combine Update: Sterling wasn't just his first name in Indianapolis as he was sterling in nearly every testing measurement. He ran 4.48, one of the best WR times. He put up 20 reps of 225 on the bench press. He had the top WR vertical jump at 41" and a strong 10'3" broad jump. 2016 Senior Bowl Update: Open. That's what he was all week long because he was arguably the best route runner in Mobile, minus perhaps Braxton Miller (which is telling). He beat just about everyone he faced. I've been a huge fan and this week in Mobile confirmed everything that I've thought about his for a while. Report: I keep thinking “slot receiver” but he’s a candidate to be a perimeter receiver for some NFL teams…came back in 2015 after a knee injury ended his 2014 season and had an All-American type season...exquisite route runner with some juice to get downfield…v. TCU in 2014, he ran an out and up from the slot and when he went “up”, he hit the turbo boosters and left TCU’s secondary in his wake…sells all of his routes really well...incredibly precise...double moves are his jam...when targeted,
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/draft_prospect_report.html
 
Shepard currently ranks 11th in Oklahoma history in yards receiving (1,660 yards) and is tied for 13th in receptions (119). To reach Oklahoma's top 10 lists, he needs 16 catches and 29 yards.

"Sterling is a great talent," coach Bob Stoops said. "He's explosive. He's a great route runner. He's got great hands. He can make competitive catches. He's playing great."

Shepard has primarily been an outside receiver this season after playing last season in the slot.
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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/09/22/oklahoma-receiver-sterling-shepard-emerging-as-star.html
 
badboy said:
While I agree that SHorts and Strong can play slots, you are only one I've seen saying Shepherd cannot. From John Harris top 100:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/draft_prospect_report.html
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You're right, my bad. I got Shephard mixed up with Will Fuller. I got confused when Shephard was suggested as a possible pick at 22, when I don't think anyone has him slotted as a first round prospect. Fuller is the other receiver suggested as a possible Texan selection, along with Coleman, at 22.
 
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Number19 said:
You're right, my bad. I got Shephard mixed up with Will Fuller. I got confused when Shephard was suggested as a possible pick at 22, when I don't think anyone has him slotted as a first round prospect. Fuller is the other receiver suggested as a possible Texan selection, along with Coleman, at 22.
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Yep, just wished I was comfortable with Fuller. I have seen some thinking Shepherd could go in first but I think he will be there at 52. How come nothing on ESPN about the draft so far? Usually about three weeks prior the analysts have top 10 mock and discussion of team needs and players. I've seen only coach Gruden's eval of QBs.
 
For those interested or draft addicted, Mel Kiper and Todd McShay first round discussed today (April 21) 6:30 to 8 pm on ESPN. Player analysis and team needs will be presented.
 
I like Fuller much more than Coleman. If we skip WR in round 1, I would love to draft Demarcus Ayers later in the draft
 
TexansSeminole said:
I like Boyd, I would be happy with him.
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A really good slot guy with no special traits. He's better than Mumphrey/Shorts so I guess that's an upgrade. If they dont go WR in rd 1 and a fast guy like Fuller/Coleman are gone then I hope they spend a rd.2-3 pick on the OL and get a fast guy or a slot guy later in the draft.
 
I really enjoy sports science segments. Here they look at Laquon Treadwell and Josh Doctson - both very impressive WRs that I'd love to see in a Texans uniform. Treadwell reminds them of our own Deandre Hopkins.

 
I wouldn't mind passing on a WR in the first if we get Pharoh Cooper somewhere.
 
El Tejano said:
If they surprise us and don't go with a speed WR, I really hope it's Tyler Boyd WR Pitt.
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Ole Miss Texan said:
I really enjoy sports science segments. Here they look at Laquon Treadwell and Josh Doctson - both very impressive WRs that I'd love to see in a Texans uniform. Treadwell reminds them of our own Deandre Hopkins.

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Thanks for posting. Somewhere I posted from this clip then forgot to link it.
 
They've surprised us alright by taking 2 WR's in the first 3 picks. The Miller pick really has me SMH after taking Fuller in the 1st round and having other needs going unfilled.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I really enjoy sports science segments. Here they look at Laquon Treadwell and Josh Doctson - both very impressive WRs that I'd love to see in a Texans uniform. Treadwell reminds them of our own Deandre Hopkins.

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I couldn't finish the video. Too hard knowing we could of had either.
 
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