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Chronic's Lopez: Bush is the choice

Vinny said:
seriously...how much time do you think Capers spent breaking down film of Matt Hasslebeck or Chad Pennington during the season? How much film other than opposing teams did Pendry or Palmer view on teams that may need a HC next year, or to gather and break down film of Vince Young? When do they have time for this? Why would Cam Cameron or Kubiak have a friggin clue how Carr breaks down on film unless they studied a large body of work...but they are working currently on their own teams missions (at least Kubiak is at this point). I think most of the fans and some of the media are making way way too much out of percieved favorites and perceived notions coaches may have.

Actually you would be surprised how much film you can study on a guy with a few days notice prior to the interview. Heck, with the film study programs most coaches (and players) have a candidate could be checking film on his laptop and refining his pitch right up until "game time" so to speak. The other things is that these guys watch tape for a living and the amount of time it would take us mere mortals to pick up on things is probably quite a bit different than the time it would take them.

I honestly think that a coach coming in would voice concerns over the QB situation if they had doubts, particulalry in our situation when everyone knows that Carr is under tight scrutiny.
 
The quickest way to get removed from the coaching search: "David Carr is the problem." McNair is in love with Carr, that is not a hidden fact. The wanna-be-Texans-coach is gonna have to pucker up to McNair's boy if he wants the job.
 
Fiddy said:
The quickest way to get removed from the coaching search: "David Carr is the problem." McNair is in love with Carr, that is not a hidden fact. The wanna-be-Texans-coach is gonna have to pucker up to McNair's boy if he wants the job.

THANK YOU!!I have been thinking this all day and stayed out of it but had to dive in. What is a coaching candidate supposed to say when they may be coaching the guy AND the people who drafted him and stuck by him are in the room?"That was a horrible pass, his mechanics are not good." If the other 6 guys said he was a stud then you would automatically be gone. These guys were kissing up as we do in all interviews and were just conveying the fact that THEY could fix it. Isn't that Interviewing 101, "here is what I can do for you."
 
Draft Young or not, you've got to extend Carr for at least two years. It may not seem like the most fiscal responsible thing to do, but that is what you've got to do. I'd like to see Vince Start next year for the Houston Texans, I think he's ready. I know it's a Gamble, but to draft him, and let Carr go is an even Bigger Gamble.

David is going to start next year, he's going to have a great year. He's going to get sacked a lot. If he looses the will to get back up, which he might, we're going to see Young.

But it will be enough motivation for David to play well, and do well mainly because he'll be filling out his Job resume, He'll be proving us wrong, and that's what winners do. Play to win, no matter what.
 
jerek said:
I would be curious to learn more about this 'wise circle of seven' and how Lopez got the inside word on their proceedings. I am not saying he is false - hell, it could be 100% true - but I guess I only advise that the buyer beware.

Carr fanboys won't stop to think about where the info came from or why some Croc reporter is spreading it now. Your friend, Charlie Casserly? Hmmm.

On the other hand, it does begin to sound like the same brain-truss that has brought us this far is now leaning precariously for Bush and the fleet-footed, lightning-fast decision maker and dirt-passer par excellance David "Hairboy" Carr.

They should change our name to Hopeless.
 
They should have interviewed June Jones. I heard him on ESPN Radio last night call Bush the next Eric Metcalf. Exciting and multi-talented, but no way an every down back. He said he would take VY with the first pick.


The host (can't remember his name) couldn't believe it and said so a couple hundred times.
 
TD Rivers said:
They should have interviewed June Jones. I heard him on ESPN Radio last night call Bush the next Eric Metcalf. Exciting and multi-talented, but no way an every down back. He said he would take VY with the first pick.


The host (can't remember his name) couldn't believe it and said so a couple hundred times.

Again, I don't trust the locals, but the same thing was said by Zerlein this morning...that he could be a Metcalf. All guesses though.
 
Hulk75 said:
I hope Rich Lord is reading this today, I get very tired of the stuff that comes out of his mouth.

Yeah, those guys at 610 are annoying, which is why I listen to good ol' Charlie on ESPN 790.
 
And then your spoon-fed Chronicle reporter entoned: "But with Reggie Bush, we know we can compete for a playoff berth next season."

Please, God, give McNair the sense to recognize all the suck-up job candidates spewing the party line on Casserly's Folly for what they are.
 
I'm going to be blunt and say I told you so, but I'm going to be polite and say I'm happy about some comments made in this thread.

To begin with I posted some time ago that McNair should look thing about investing his money in coaching where there is no Cap hit. My point is that in this league of equality its the coaching that now makes the difference as much as the trenches. You only have so much to work with and its the coaches who bring out the best of what they have that seems to win the most games. Each year it seems like the same coaches come to the forefront for the most part. I'm glad that it appears one way or another that Mr. McNair may have picked up on this fact.

We need a good receivers coach. Are receivers have no idea what they are doing on the field. That's being a bit rought, but the truth is they do not run routes the way they should. AJ has digressed this year and I believe has had zero coaching while a Texan. He is no TO or MOSS at this point and isn't even a threat to them. AJ can not alone take over a game. Just as people can talk about Carr's inabilities you can talk about AJ's too. Don't get me wrong AJ is a heck of a talent, but he needs coaching to bring out his best and he hasn't had that.

Carr is very similar to AJ. Is there a lot of talent there? Yes, there is, but the coaching has been absolutely horrible. You talk about game planning and the utilization players, and anthing else you want to talk about and it all goes back to coaching at this point in time.

The O-line is a bust again because of coaching. They affect what the QB and recievers do. We have not had anyone coaching the offensive line that knows what the ----- they are doing. I still say Boselli left and decided not to help with the O-line, because of the coaching staff and not the players. Do I know that for certain? No, but my gut feel tells me I'm right based on some comments.

You could continue on with this and it would all lead back to coaching even on the defensive side of the ball. But I will elaborate on one point made by Vinny and I will say I think he is dead wrong, but then again he does not like Carr and that is putting it midly. Most of the coaches who have come in for interviews have been on opposing teams we have played. As such they have extensive reviewed game film of David's tendencies and abilities looking for ways to beat Houston. Those films have been poured over with a fine tooth comb and discussed in depth by the rest of the oppositions coaching staff. I think they have a very good idea of what David's abilities are and respect above all else his toughness. I suspect they did things to keep David and the Texans from beating them by out foxing our previous coaches. They probably know that the Texans telegraph their plays by the way they substitute and what certain linemen do when they lineup.

Is David, DD, AJ, Gaffny, DROB or any other player on the Texans what we think he is? I think right now its hard to answer that question because of the coaching all of the players received. It was simply SH-----y. I don't believe you can even criticize a player like PBUCH because of the way he was coached and the schemes that were run.

ONCE AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER SO MUCH WHEITHER IT IS BUSH OR YOUNG, but it matters more who McNair hires to coach this ball club and the assistants who are then hired to assist the new HC. The money spent their and who we are able to get will determine where the Texans are going. If you fail to hire a top tier coaching staff, then you will have a sub par team regardless of the talent on the team. It can't be stated more simply than that. Once, again, there is no CAP limit on coaching. Go find the best that money can buy and you will have a team. Most owners don't like to pay the coaches, but hopefully our owner figures out that's how you get a winner.
 
The truth is that we need a leader on this team. VY will be great leader for any team he is playing for. I for one will think twice before renewing my four season tickets if we don't take VY first. Carr will never lead any team to a championship much less the Texans!!!!
 
Fiddy said:
The quickest way to get removed from the coaching search: "David Carr is the problem." McNair is in love with Carr, that is not a hidden fact. The wanna-be-Texans-coach is gonna have to pucker up to McNair's boy if he wants the job.

Certainly understand your PoV - but I dont think its a valid one in this case. You seem to be "implying" that these guys coming into interview are the only ones saying these thigns and that everyone else in the league must think differently. But if you keep reading furhter down in the article you wil lsee these words...

"Seven head coaching candidates, the Texans' personnel staff, consultant Dan Reeves and various other owners and general managers with whom McNair has talked say Carr is playoff-caliber and Bush is the right pick.

Why, in essence, trade Carr and Bush for Young?"

IMO - Its not just these guys coming in the office for a job thinking this as the article implies. I can pretty much guess that Mr. McNair is getting as much input as he can after last year for opinions on Carr and the team - Good - bad or indifferent. From the reports it seems everyone is saying the same as myself and some others are here - Carr's not the huge problem some are trying to make him out to be, but is more a product of poor coaching and lack of talent to protect him.
 
J-Man said:
Young, Bush, Leinart, whoever...I just don't want us embaressed like we were this season.


:bag:


Embarrassed?? who was Embarasses?? I root for that Texas football team. Always have, always will.
 
U4ikrob said:
Carr's not the huge problem some are trying to make him out to be, but is more a product of poor coaching and lack of talent to protect him.


do you know how long People have been saying that about Jake Plummer?? He even went through coaching changes in Arizona, to be the same old Jake. It wasn't until he got to a different team, that he finally became a Winner. I think some folks just need a kick in the pants. Some people have to know they are expendable..... True leaders, no.... True champions... no. But if David Carr is to be a leader, he's going to have to be pushed. If he's going to be a champion(which I think he is absolutely capable of) then he's going to need to know that he is not above scrutiny. That his job is not secure. That there are at least a handful of Quarterbacks that we'd rather give his money to, and two of them are in this draft right now.
 
Marcus said:

I love the Pink Floyd avatar! The thing that concerns me is that NFL teams will do to Reggie Bush in the games what the Longhorn defense did to him in the Rose Bowl. With no offensive line to provide the holes and seams that Bush needs, he will be stacked up just like he was (for the most part) in the Pasadena game. I think Reggie Bush will be a great back if he is put in a position where he has blocking and can show his stuff. On the other hand, he could end up just like Ron Dane or most of the Heisman winners of yore....

As far as the "committee" is concerned, the Houston Texans have done everything by committee since two years before their first game. This latest committee meeting, including retreads from Denver/Atlanta, may be helpful. But, I doubt it. After all, Atlanta tried to turn Michael Vick into a dropback, pocket passer. How dumb was that?
 
If you think the Texans are going to the playoffs next year with Reggie Bush, you need to stop sniffing glue.
 
A4toZ said:
Marcus, you missed a good part of the article, though. Regardless of who we pick....


WHAAA HOOO!!! Ding dong the Fangio's dead, the Pendry's dead, the Fangio's dead... ding dong with wicked schemes are deeeaaaaad.
Yesssssss!!! Great news, esspecially about Kubiak also being the OC.
 
I guess he talked to different front office guys than Bayless..lol. this is getting funnier by the minute because there is a whole bunch of bad writers with different personnel guys handing them secrets:)

An NFL personnel director who encouraged me to pick USC told me on Thursday: "That's the closest thing I've seen to Michael Jordan since he left Chicago. I watched this kid every game this year, and he just got better and better and better until you finally step back and say, 'I've never seen anything like him.' I don't want to hear another word about David Carr. The Texans will never live it down if they don't take Vince Young."
 
Those of you suggesting this article is just a indication of an ebb and flow of support for the candidates, or that someone just needed to chime in for Bush and Carr are mistaken. Lopez has been writing pro Bush article's since the Rose Bowl. It's McClain and Justice who've eased their stances since then, now not supporting VY as absolutely.
 
It's McClain and Justice who've eased their stances since then, now not supporting VY as absolutely.

McClain said on Dallas radio yesterday that he is certain we are taking Vince. Basically saying the same thing on 610 today that Kubiak won't waste a first overall pick for a RB for his system. He also said that it's possible Kubiak maybe hadn't even watched the Rose Bowl yet because all he does is study film........ Hey, maybe this could be true for all these assistants Lopez is speaking for thirdhand. Just maybe they haven't broken down film on college players quite yet. :cool:
 
I'm speaking solely from the standpoint of reading their article's in the chronic. McClain's last said he thought both would be great players, though he still leaned towards VY.
 
robwoody said:
I for one will think twice before renewing my four season tickets if we don't take VY first.

Mr. McNair called and told me to tell you :BananaWav

j/k, man. But seriously, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept of blowing off your team because of one player.

I understand that you really want VY to be a Texan, and I respect that opinion. But it seems to me that you punish yourself, because the beat goes on regardless. What if they did draft Young, and he has a career ending injury in pre-season? Do you still blow off the team because your player can no longer play? idonno:

I'll support my team through thick and thin, and that includes during times that I disagree with their decisions. That's just part of being a dedicated fan.

But it's your right to make that decision, but when they win (and they will, just a matter of time), you'll have to look at yourself in the mirror as you put your Texans gear on and know that you bailed at one point and didn't stick with them. This is the difference in definitions of hardcore and fairweather, man.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'll support my team through thick and thin, and that includes during times that I disagree with their decisions. That's just part of being a dedicated fan.

But it's your right to make that decision, but when they win (and they will, just a matter of time), you'll have to look at yourself in the mirror as you put your Texans gear on and know that you bailed at one point and didn't stick with them. This is the difference in definitions of hardcore and fairweather, man.

Yup DB. This fan base needs to go spend a couple of years up around Greenbay and learn what it is to be a solid fan. Waiting 30 years for a ticket whether they win or lose puts a different perspective on the term "Fan".
 
edo783 said:
Yup DB. This fan base needs to go spend a couple of years up around Greenbay and learn what it is to be a solid fan. Waiting 30 years for a ticket whether they win or lose puts a different perspective on the term "Fan".

No doubt, edo. I heard the story a couple of weeks ago about a 70-something year old lady who had just went to her first Green Bay game. She's lived in Green Bay her entire life and has always been a fan of the Packers. (Think of the history she's seen!)

She has been waiting for decades - since the freakin' 1960's - for a chance to see the team at Lambeau Field! That is just amazing to me, and really puts things into perspective as a fan.

Houston fans take so many things for granted that I really have to wonder how the majority truly appreciates the good times, since they didn't suffer with the teams through the bad times. idonno:

I don't "blame" them, but it is kind of weird to see World Series fever by some folks that wouldn't bother to go to a baseball game when it was a free ticket.

Guess I'm weird that way, though. :howdy:
 
A4toZ said:
Marcus, you missed a good part of the article, though. Regardless of who we pick....

...McNair has made billions from making well-researched decisions and never making the same mistake twice. He has told Kubiak that hiring top-level assistants will not be a problem.

If it takes a $1 million a year contract to lure a defensive coordinator who will implement a 4-3 defense and bring an edge to the defensive side of the ball, so be it. If Kubiak wants a quarterbacks coach to also work with Carr — which he does — fine.

Kubiak will serve as offensive coordinator and will call the plays, but if he wants the best offensive line coach available? Go get him, Kubiak has been told.

McNair will equip the new coach with every resource available toward winning and winning soon....
WHAAA HOOO!!! Ding dong the Fangio's dead, the Pendry's dead, the Fangio's dead... ding dong with wicked schemes are deeeaaaaad.

What convinces me that McNair is leaning towards Bush, is that he has stated publicly at the news conference that he wants to win sooner than later. He might change his mind between now and then, but my feeling is that he looks at it like this:

We can add Bush, or switch quarterbacks and start over again. In his mind, drafting VY would be an admission to himself that he just totally wasted 4 years. I don't think he's willing to do that.
 
tulexan said:
I also don't think that they are talking Carr up just to trade him because they aren't going to sign him and then trade him. If they did, they would be taking a big cap hit and have a lot of dead money sitting on the cap.

They can transition tag him - essentially give him a one year deal - and it would cost around $8 million on the cap, that is until they trade him, and the Texans would be immediately relieved of that cap amount. No dead money, no acceleration. Nada.

Unlike signing bonus/option bonus accelerations, t-tag salary is treated just like base salary on the cap so there's no residual dead money or cap acceleration after you trade a t-tagged player. But the trick is you have to trade him otherwise you are stuck with the player and often times it's not under the best of circumstances. The new team will usually work a long(er) term deal from the one year t-tag salary to make things more cap friendly for them.
 
1-3 said:
McClain said on Dallas radio yesterday that he is certain we are taking Vince. Basically saying the same thing on 610 today that Kubiak won't waste a first overall pick for a RB for his system. He also said that it's possible Kubiak maybe hadn't even watched the Rose Bowl yet because all he does is study film........ Hey, maybe this could be true for all these assistants Lopez is speaking for thirdhand. Just maybe they haven't broken down film on college players quite yet. :cool:

This is what CC said:

(on if he already knows who the team with draft) “No, and I think that’s a premature question. We don’t even have a head coach. First, you get a coach. The coach comes in and analyzes all your personnel. In all the interviews, the coaches gave us a rundown of our personnel but, admittedly, said they would need to study more tape to feel more comfortable about it. So the coach comes in, analyzes the team, looks at it and he’s going to have opinions on it. Certainly, no decision’s going to be made here without the head coach having a tremendous say in it.

Sourced:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/news_detail.php?PRKey=2346

Lopez is full of it.

"So is Carr the problemo?"

"Nah, I could work with Carr."

Which I am sure is the truth and what you would say in a job interview. That is entirely a different question than VY, Bush or trade down, a choice not made by looking at a little bit of tape while the season is still going. (and before VY declared).
 
It's obvious there were areas of concern that McNair and the rest are concerned about. It is quite likely that applicants were asked for their take on the level of talent of key skill positions (qb). If the team is at the crossroads, it is important to get the opinion of those who want to coach the team. I doubt if any of the candidates watched film of every player on the team. There's not enough time - but there is time to review film of how the offense, defense, and skill positions performed during the season. Believe me - watching one game was enough to let anyone see where the problems are.

And this business about the candidates telling McNair, et al what they wanted to hear (that Carr is a keeper) is crap. Why would a potential new coach say anything positive to keep a player who clearly can't play the game? Is that how you'd want to start your new job, surrounded by dead weight?
 
edo783 said:
Yup DB. This fan base needs to go spend a couple of years up around Greenbay and learn what it is to be a solid fan. Waiting 30 years for a ticket whether they win or lose puts a different perspective on the term "Fan".


Oh Lord. Here we go again with the "real fan" syndrome. Please, get a clue. The guy says he wants Young because he thinks Young is best for the team. He says if they screw up the pick and pass on Young, he's voting with his feet. This is reasonable and appropriate behavior, though I suspect the guy will come around even if the team screws up this way. But he's allowed to say it anyway as a way of comminicating how strongly he feels about it.
 
aj. said:
They can transition tag him - essentially give him a one year deal - and it would cost around $8 million on the cap, that is until they trade him, and the Texans would be immediately relieved of that cap amount. No dead money, no acceleration. Nada.

Unlike signing bonus/option bonus accelerations, t-tag salary is treated just like base salary on the cap so there's no residual dead money or cap acceleration after you trade a t-tagged player. But the trick is you have to trade him otherwise you are stuck with the player and often times it's not under the best of circumstances. The new team will usually work a long(er) term deal from the one year t-tag salary to make things more cap friendly for them.

This may be the most feasible option to satisfy the army of one that is me - The Republic of Kaiser's Carr Contractual Liberation Army.
 
Nighthawk said:
Oh Lord. Here we go again with the "real fan" syndrome. Please, get a clue. The guy says he wants Young because he thinks Young is best for the team. He says if they screw up the pick and pass on Young, he's voting with his feet. This is reasonable and appropriate behavior, though I suspect the guy will come around even if the team screws up this way. But he's allowed to say it anyway as a way of comminicating how strongly he feels about it.

Reading is fundamental and I guess that isn't on your dance card. It was about giving up your tickets in a childish fit of pique when others elswhere have to wait life times to get them. Some people have no clue how good they have it. Why I heard one time of a city that lost their pro football team. Seems there was a great deal of wailing and knashing of teeth at that loss and they waited & waited and waited and then one day....they were given the blessing of having one again and again they could support their team with their hearts. Bet they learned from that lose........Mmmm, well, maybe.
 
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