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Chronicle Mock draft

If Alan Branch or Joe Thomas aren't available...then lets bring in Adrian Peterson. He is a very good back, better overall college back than Reggie Bush and any other running back that has come out since LT.
 
6. Washington - Ted Ginn, Jr., WR, Ohio State: It seems a little too early for Ginn and he hasn't declared yet, but the Skins would love to get their hands on a big WR since they have smaller ones in S. Moss and Randle-El.
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Ginn is a big WR? After seeing his dad, I guess he has the "potential" to get big. Right now, I think you'd have to consider Ginn a smallish WR.

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Lance may have left out the word time...like big time wr. I think it's too early for Ginn also....I can't see how he goes before Peterson.
 
While a nice idea I put the possibility of him being there at 8 at about 1000 to 1.
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I'd love to take those odds, I think the chances are less than 50% but not anywhere close to that low.
 
If AP gets by cleveland, then he probably falls to the eight spot, cause none of the teams from 4-7 need a RB. Tampa- cadillac, Arizona- Edge, Washington-Portis, Betts, Minnesotta-C. Taylor. Unless there is a trade, I don't see any of these teams picking AP. Cleveland is probably gonna have the choice between Branch, C. Johnson and Peterson. I say they draft Johnson.
 
If Washington takes a WR after all the money they spent last year in FA, I will be shocked and completely amazed. They have more needs on the lines and at DB to do something that does not help the team overall.
 
I don't see Clevland or Washington passing up Peterson. I think the 'skins will try to move Portis.
 
there is no way ginn gets drafted before peterson, provided peterson is healthy. none. this is silly wishful thinking.

several teams would be willing to trade with WAS if WAS was sitting there at 7 with AP in front of them. the giants certainly come to mind. the broncos, eagles, jets, etc also come to mind.

i do think AP could fall to 8, but for this to happen OAK has to pick calvin johnson (based on their theorizing they can get their QB at 33). it's the only scenario i see for this, though.
 
I heard John Lopez speak recently and he made a point with which I would agree. The Texans can likely find safeties, defensive linemen and most offensive linemen in free agency or in lower rounds in the draft. On the other hand, top QB's and RB's are tough to find in free agency, thus the best way to get them is in the draft. Personally I might add CB's and LT's to his list, but generally I agree with him, so I would support the drafting of Peterson, Lynch or one of the top QB's in the first round. I think drafting a Laron Landry or Reggie Nelson that high in the draft is a waste of the pick.

Last year's draft is instructive in that regard, in many ways. Looking at some of the top picks, the DE (Mario), TE (Davis) and SS (Huff) are all good but not really that much better than players available lower in the draft or through free agency. OTOH, players like Bush, Young, D'Brick are impossible to find in free agency and you have to get really lucky to find a comparable player much lower in the draft (like McNeill). My orange blood aside, I think the Raiders made a huge mistake passing on Leinart and Cutler to draft Michael Huff.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't see Clevland or Washington passing up Peterson. I think the 'skins will try to move Portis.
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There is no chance that the Skins take Peterson. With the amount of holes that they have in their defense, the GM would be fired on the spot for picking him.

They already have Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and TJ Duckett on the roster. I don't know about Duckett, but Portis and Betts both have long term contracts and I don't know how willing they will be to move Portis because of the cap hit they will have to take to do it.
 
I think he left Marcus McCauley out of the first round which would be nice. If we had a chance of getting him in the second round, I'd love it.
 
tulexan said:
Did Ginn or Peterson declare yet? I don't remember hearing about it.
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Good point. Frankly I think he should have waited 5 days until all of the declared juniors were identified. Kinda like doing a full mock draft 3 days before the end of the regular season..(just kidding, Kast)
 
DenverBorn said:
I heard John Lopez speak recently and he made a point with which I would agree. The Texans can likely find safeties, defensive linemen and most offensive linemen in free agency or in lower rounds in the draft. On the other hand, top QB's and RB's are tough to find in free agency, thus the best way to get them is in the draft. Personally I might add CB's and LT's to his list, but generally I agree with him, so I would support the drafting of Peterson, Lynch or one of the top QB's in the first round. I think drafting a Laron Landry or Reggie Nelson that high in the draft is a waste of the pick.

Last year's draft is instructive in that regard, in many ways. Looking at some of the top picks, the DE (Mario), TE (Davis) and SS (Huff) are all good but not really that much better than players available lower in the draft or through free agency. OTOH, players like Bush, Young, D'Brick are impossible to find in free agency and you have to get really lucky to find a comparable player much lower in the draft (like McNeill). My orange blood aside, I think the Raiders made a huge mistake passing on Leinart and Cutler to draft Michael Huff.
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Although I can see what your logic is, I must disagree with you regarding safeties. Usually, great safeties don't make it to FA and many are chosen in the 1st round (Polomalu, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Roy Williams). Of course there are exceptions to this, because good safeties can be found later in the first day, but your GREATS are usually in the 1st. The same can be said about TE's (Shockey, Watson, Winslow, Heap, Clark) but to a lesser degree, TE's usually fall to later rounds.

Really, it depends on the draft, not the position. You shouldn't think that the majority of DE's picked in the first day are relatively close in production solely on a past draft; it really is an individual examination. If its a deep class like this year, there will be a lot of talent available all through day one, especially at corner, QB, and DL this year.
 
tulexan said:
Did Ginn or Peterson declare yet? I don't remember hearing about it.
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Here's the quote from the article:
Here is my first mock draft. It is obviously very rough and I'm not including underclassmen with the exception of JaMarcus Russell, Ted Ginn and Glenn Dorsey because I've heard from reliable sources they are all coming. Other than that, I left undeclared underclassmen out of this list. As they continue to declare, I will continue to update my mock draft board. Look for an updated list each Monday.
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Peterson hasn't officialy declared, yet. But, he has been interviewing agents for the past 3 weeks. Besides, I think the whole point of this mock was to get Peterson's name associated with the Texans. Wishful thinking.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
If Alan Branch or Joe Thomas aren't available...then lets bring in Adrian Peterson. He is a very good back, better overall college back than Reggie Bush and any other running back that has come out since LT.
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Don't flame me for saying this and I might be wrong. I haven't checked the Denver roster but I do believe that Broncos don't like to waste their number one draft pick on OL. All their OL has been selected in letter rounds including LT.

The most pressing need on offense as I see it is elite level running back and we should be lucky if AD falls to us at number 8. We need an elite level running back who can carry the load and move the chain with consistency and score some touch downs for us.
 
dbspi said:
Don't flame me for saying this and I might be wrong. I haven't checked the Denver roster but I do believe that Broncos don't like to waste their number one draft pick on OL. All their OL has been selected in letter rounds including LT.

The most pressing need on offense as I see it is elite level running back and we should be lucky if AD falls to us at number 8. We need an elite level running back who can carry the load and move the chain with consistency and score some touch downs for us.
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Last time I checked, Denver didn't use 1st rounders on RB's either. I would like to see AP in a Texans uni tho :yes:

Just checked out their draft history to be sure...
They haven't taken a RB in 1st round since 1985.
In 2003 Denver drafted George Foster (Georgia) OT 1st round #20 pick
 
Lance is crazy if he thinks Ginn will be picked that early. No way in hell. Ginn will be picked around 15-20 if he is lucky. I can't believe how AP is being taken by Houston in almost every mock draft. I think its wishful thinking but it would be a little poetic justice for the whole VY/RB/MW debacle last offseason.

Kubiak's pre and post draft quotes (paraphrased for levity of course)
'We think Vince is great but we already have David who is gonna be good and successful in my system' - WRONG!!

'We think Bush is great but we already have Domanick Davis who is gonna be good and successful in my system' - WRONG!!

'Since we already have a RB and a QB we will draft for need and take Mario' - The RB was already injured, Mario was already injured, and Carr is garbage at QB!!

*drinks beer* here is to hoping that the Texans don't screw this one up too and deliver us fans an impact player in this draft.
 
DenverBorn said:
I heard John Lopez speak recently and he made a point with which I would agree. The Texans can likely find safeties, defensive linemen and most offensive linemen in free agency or in lower rounds in the draft. On the other hand, top QB's and RB's are tough to find in free agency, thus the best way to get them is in the draft. Personally I might add CB's and LT's to his list, but generally I agree with him, so I would support the drafting of Peterson, Lynch or one of the top QB's in the first round. I think drafting a Laron Landry or Reggie Nelson that high in the draft is a waste of the pick.

Last year's draft is instructive in that regard, in many ways. Looking at some of the top picks, the DE (Mario), TE (Davis) and SS (Huff) are all good but not really that much better than players available lower in the draft or through free agency. OTOH, players like Bush, Young, D'Brick are impossible to find in free agency and you have to get really lucky to find a comparable player much lower in the draft (like McNeill). My orange blood aside, I think the Raiders made a huge mistake passing on Leinart and Cutler to draft Michael Huff.
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As opposed to Maurice Drew, J. Norwood, L.Washington?
 
DenverBorn said:
I heard John Lopez speak recently and he made a point with which I would agree. The Texans can likely find safeties, defensive linemen and most offensive linemen in free agency or in lower rounds in the draft. On the other hand, top QB's and RB's are tough to find in free agency, thus the best way to get them is in the draft. Personally I might add CB's and LT's to his list, but generally I agree with him, so I would support the drafting of Peterson, Lynch or one of the top QB's in the first round. I think drafting a Laron Landry or Reggie Nelson that high in the draft is a waste of the pick.

Last year's draft is instructive in that regard, in many ways. Looking at some of the top picks, the DE (Mario), TE (Davis) and SS (Huff) are all good but not really that much better than players available lower in the draft or through free agency. OTOH, players like Bush, Young, D'Brick are impossible to find in free agency and you have to get really lucky to find a comparable player much lower in the draft (like McNeill). My orange blood aside, I think the Raiders made a huge mistake passing on Leinart and Cutler to draft Michael Huff.
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Always one of my favorite posters and this is post is no different. No apologies, no homering, just an observation that is honest.
 
DenverBorn said:
I heard John Lopez speak recently and he made a point with which I would agree. The Texans can likely find safeties, defensive linemen and most offensive linemen in free agency or in lower rounds in the draft. On the other hand, top QB's and RB's are tough to find in free agency, thus the best way to get them is in the draft. Personally I might add CB's and LT's to his list, but generally I agree with him, so I would support the drafting of Peterson, Lynch or one of the top QB's in the first round. I think drafting a Laron Landry or Reggie Nelson that high in the draft is a waste of the pick.

Last year's draft is instructive in that regard, in many ways. Looking at some of the top picks, the DE (Mario), TE (Davis) and SS (Huff) are all good but not really that much better than players available lower in the draft or through free agency. OTOH, players like Bush, Young, D'Brick are impossible to find in free agency and you have to get really lucky to find a comparable player much lower in the draft (like McNeill). My orange blood aside, I think the Raiders made a huge mistake passing on Leinart and Cutler to draft Michael Huff.
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I think trying to make a science of all this stuff is bogus in it self....

I don't really think you can say since it hasn't worked out in the past you can't do it now...

evaluate the players, know your needs, and take the player you want...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think trying to make a science of all this stuff is bogus in it self....

I don't really think you can say since it hasn't worked out in the past you can't do it now...

evaluate the players, know your needs, and take the player you want...
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pretty much.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think trying to make a science of all this stuff is bogus in it self....

I don't really think you can say since it hasn't worked out in the past you can't do it now...

evaluate the players, know your needs, and take the player you want...
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well its not really a science as much as it is logic. he's just saying that some positions are tough to address in free agency/later rounds of draft.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
well its not really a science as much as it is logic. he's just saying that some positions are tough to address in free agency/later rounds of draft.
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ok....

But using that logic, you'd miss on a lot of players...there are exceptions to the rule....or "logic" in this case....

evaluate, know your needs, and adress...there is no science and that is pretty much all you can do....


I highly doubt any NFL orginization uses that "logic".....Do you think Kubiak sits around with Rick Smith, and says "hey, since most good blanks are taken in the blank rd. we're just gonna rule out taking a blank in blank rd."

That "logic" is for fans, and the media....
 
Davis37 said:
Last time I checked, Denver didn't use 1st rounders on RB's either. I would like to see AP in a Texans uni tho :yes:

Just checked out their draft history to be sure...
They haven't taken a RB in 1st round since 1985.
In 2003 Denver drafted George Foster (Georgia) OT 1st round #20 pick
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If we get an Elite RB, it will be because we'll need someone on Offense to carry the team. Usually, that means a QB....... but since our QB isn't up to the job, it'll be the RB.

So if you really want AP, you gotta hope they keep David.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
well its not really a science as much as it is logic. he's just saying that some positions are tough to address in free agency/later rounds of draft.
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& then you have the exception to the rule.......... every time.

as mentioned Earlier.... J.Addai.... J.Norwood.... Jones-Drew.

Tom Brady.... BenRothlisberger(sp)..... Drew Brees..... Tony Romo.....


& while I don't know many safeties...... or CBs that have reached elite status taken lower than the first round. Unless they're old as heck(L.Miloy) you won't find them in FA.

Same for DE... JohnAbraham was the big name last offseason... & he missed 10 games.... maybe he's done. Darren Howard proved that he needs to be playing tackle.

LT....... I'll agree with as well.

but RB??

IMHO, there's only been one top 10 back in the last 10 years......
 
thunderkyss said:
If we get an Elite RB, it will be because we'll need someone on Offense to carry the team. Usually, that means a QB....... but since our QB isn't up to the job, it'll be the RB.

So if you really want AP, you gotta hope they keep David.
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I agree that Carr isn't the play maker we all want him to be, but I'm pretty sure that he will be around for at least one more year. The FO can't just get rid of Carr and not have anyone to replace him who isn't an upgrade. I don't want to see Plummer in a Texans uni... He is a downgrade IMHO. Sure he make some plays, but for every play he makes he does something stupid. At least Carr has learned to protect the ball for the most part. Plummer would throw 20+ int behind our line. Sage looked good when he had the chance, but I would rather have him actually beat out David for the starting spot instead of handing it to him w/o any competition.

With that said, I would like the Texans to solidify the defense as much as possible. On the other hand, an elite RB like Peterson can move the chains and keep our defense resting on the sidelines. If by some miracle Alan Branch falls to us at #8, we have to take him. He would suck up some blocks for Mario and DeMeco to make plays. He is also athletic enough to make plays himself.
 
Davis37 said:
I agree that Carr isn't the play maker we all want him to be, but I'm pretty sure that he will be around for at least one more year. The FO can't just get rid of Carr and not have anyone to replace him who isn't an upgrade. I don't want to see Plummer in a Texans uni... He is a downgrade IMHO. Sure he make some plays, but for every play he makes he does something stupid. At least Carr has learned to protect the ball for the most part. Plummer would throw 20+ int behind our line. Sage looked good when he had the chance, but I would rather have him actually beat out David for the starting spot instead of handing it to him w/o any competition.

With that said, I would like the Texans to solidify the defense as much as possible. On the other hand, an elite RB like Peterson can move the chains and keep our defense resting on the sidelines. If by some miracle Alan Branch falls to us at #8, we have to take him. He would suck up some blocks for Mario and DeMeco to make plays. He is also athletic enough to make plays himself.
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I don't like Alan Branch very much at all, surely not with the #8 pick. For one we need to improve our pass rushing, not bring in a run clogger that will occupy minimal double teams in passing situations, I think we should move Weaver inside to DT and pick up a DE, if we do go with a DT though we should go for someone like Amobi Okoye or Brandon Mebane who can provide pressure in passing situations.
 
MorKnolle said:
I don't like Alan Branch very much at all, surely not with the #8 pick. For one we need to improve our pass rushing, not bring in a run clogger that will occupy minimal double teams in passing situations, I think we should move Weaver inside to DT and pick up a DE, if we do go with a DT though we should go for someone like Amobi Okoye or Brandon Mebane who can provide pressure in passing situations.
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Haha...Mork you've been gone too long. I've been saying this same exact message since midway through the college season.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Haha...Mork you've been gone too long. I've been saying this same exact message since midway through the college season.
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I haven't been a very big fan of his at all, he obviously has a lot of talent but I just never see him make any plays. Granted he is double teamed a lot of the time, but he never seems to aggressively try to break out of those doubles and seems to be content just being there occupying space rather than making something happen, that's a big reason I like a few guys like Okoye and Mebane more. Okoye I think has comparable talent to Branch, Mebane doesn't but I like the way he plays better for our team. I've gotten with cada a bit on a few of his recent posts regarding some of these prospects since I've watched more of them than he has so we've collaborated a bit on those and he's kind of channeled some of my thoughts and represented for us, it seems like he's done a pretty good job of that thusfar from what I've kept up with on here.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans trade down a few spots and then draft either Patrick Willis to play OLB or LaRon Landry to play FS and get an extra pick in the process. Then, maybe they could get Earl Everett to play OLB in the second round.
 
MorKnolle said:
I haven't been a very big fan of his at all, he obviously has a lot of talent but I just never see him make any plays. Granted he is double teamed a lot of the time, but he never seems to aggressively try to break out of those doubles and seems to be content just being there occupying space rather than making something happen, that's a big reason I like a few guys like Okoye and Mebane more. Okoye I think has comparable talent to Branch, Mebane doesn't but I like the way he plays better for our team. I've gotten with cada a bit on a few of his recent posts regarding some of these prospects since I've watched more of them than he has so we've collaborated a bit on those and he's kind of channeled some of my thoughts and represented for us, it seems like he's done a pretty good job of that thusfar from what I've kept up with on here.
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Well, I haven't a clue who cada is.

You pretty much just summed up my arguments against Branch.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Well, I haven't a clue who cada is.

You pretty much just summed up my arguments against Branch.
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cadahnic, we share pretty similar views on a lot of guys. He probably is a little more knowledgable on football than I am but I have a better opportunity to see a lot of these guys so we collaborate a decent amount on some of these things.
 
MorKnolle said:
cadahnic, we share pretty similar views on a lot of guys. He probably is a little more knowledgable on football than I am but I have a better opportunity to see a lot of these guys so we collaborate a decent amount on some of these things.
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Yeah. I like most of his stuff. I differ slightly on his opinions as well, but most people who study the tape come to similar opinions on most players.
 
I think Reggie Nelson is the equivalent of Ryans in the current draft. If we took him I would be ecstatic
 
Davis37 said:
I agree that Carr isn't the play maker we all want him to be, but I'm pretty sure that he will be around for at least one more year. The FO can't just get rid of Carr and not have anyone to replace him who isn't an upgrade. I don't want to see Plummer in a Texans uni... He is a downgrade IMHO. Sure he make some plays, but for every play he makes he does something stupid. At least Carr has learned to protect the ball for the most part. Plummer would throw 20+ int behind our line. Sage looked good when he had the chance, but I would rather have him actually beat out David for the starting spot instead of handing it to him w/o any competition.

With that said, I would like the Texans to solidify the defense as much as possible. On the other hand, an elite RB like Peterson can move the chains and keep our defense resting on the sidelines. If by some miracle Alan Branch falls to us at #8, we have to take him. He would suck up some blocks for Mario and DeMeco to make plays. He is also athletic enough to make plays himself.
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I'm not a big Plummer fan myself, but after watching them both play over the last two years..... I don't think it's hard to see Jake as an upgrade. As far as protecting the ball goes... Plummer was responsible for 19 turnovers(INT's + fumbles)... David was responsible for 23 turnovers(INT's + fumbles).. & I don't mind INTs, or at least I don't blame the QB if they hit a receiver's hands and is then intercepted.... they both had plenty of those, giving our receiver a chance to make a play(what we pay them for).... but throwing into triple coverage?? And at least with Jake, our QB would be able to manage our offense... call audibles.... motion players to give us the match-ups we want.... run a two minute drill, or a no huddle hurry up offense. We'll be able to run real 5 wide empty backfield sets during a game, play out of the shotgun to help our OL a little bit. I can think of several points where Jake(& Sage for that matter) would present us with an upgrade at the QB position.

DL........ I'm cool with that, but not in the draft, and definitely not top 10.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not a big Plummer fan myself, but after watching them both play over the last two years..... I don't think it's hard to see Jake as an upgrade. As far as protecting the ball goes... Plummer was responsible for 19 turnovers(INT's + fumbles)... David was responsible for 23 turnovers(INT's + fumbles).. & I don't mind INTs, or at least I don't blame the QB if they hit a receiver's hands and is then intercepted.... they both had plenty of those, giving our receiver a chance to make a play(what we pay them for).... but throwing into triple coverage?? And at least with Jake, our QB would be able to manage our offense... call audibles.... motion players to give us the match-ups we want.... run a two minute drill, or a no huddle hurry up offense. We'll be able to run real 5 wide empty backfield sets during a game, play out of the shotgun to help our OL a little bit. I can think of several points where Jake(& Sage for that matter) would present us with an upgrade at the QB position.

DL........ I'm cool with that, but not in the draft, and definitely not top 10.
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interesting veiwpoint, I'll have to think it over :hmmm:

I would like the chance to upgrade the OL but not w/8th pick- value is just not there. if you look at this draft you should consider its strengths. DE is considered "above average" one pick here & the DL is set for awhile & suddenly Mario Williams looks a lot better. now I don't know about you but to me that is very important not just for Mario's sake but for the Texans- a team starved 5 years for a pass rush.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
ok....

But using that logic, you'd miss on a lot of players...there are exceptions to the rule....or "logic" in this case....

evaluate, know your needs, and adress...there is no science and that is pretty much all you can do....


I highly doubt any NFL orginization uses that "logic".....Do you think Kubiak sits around with Rick Smith, and says "hey, since most good blanks are taken in the blank rd. we're just gonna rule out taking a blank in blank rd."

That "logic" is for fans, and the media....
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No but you can pretty much bet every year, there will always be a run on the premium positions. And that ain't running back no more in the mondern era. The league is loaded with them. And they're making more every year. It's Corners espesailly cover coners, OLTs , pass rushers, TEs who can split the seem of a dungy tampa two, and QBs. So you're sitting there in round 2 and there are only three corners on the board that project out as having a chance to start for you...do you let them slide into round three and take a premium LB or pass rusher ? You're correct when you say it isn't a science. What it is is the biggest poker game on the planet. And it's all about who blinks first and reaches. Like say drafting an oft injured RB over a need position guy. Or over rating a QB who got hot in a bowl game. They all know what each other needs. The trick of the draft is getting who you want with out over paying for them. And avoiding as many busts as possible.
 
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