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Chronic: Spencer LT, Winston RT

bdiddy

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Has anyone seen this article in the chronicle regarding, Spencer competing w/ Wand at LT and Winston competing w/ Weigart and Wade at RT. I was under the impression that Winston was the more agile and capable pass defender, i.e., more suited for the left side, and that Spencer was a mauler, someone best suited to play guard or RT.

Any thoughts?

After talking for months about improving the protection schemes and personnel around quarterback David Carr, the Texans finally took action.

With the first two picks in the third round of the NFL draft on Saturday, the Texans selected tackles Charles Spencer of Pittsburgh and Eric Winston of Miami. The selections mean more shuffling of the offensive line from a year ago, when the Texans gave up a league-leading 68 sacks.

Spencer, 6-4 and 352 pounds, is slated to compete with Seth Wand for the starting job at left tackle. Winston, 6-6 and 310 pounds, should compete with Zach Wiegert and Todd Wade at right tackle.

"Good things come to those who wait," coach Gary Kubiak said after the Texans' third-round selections were announced. "This is awesome. I can't believe it panned out this way."


Pitts back to guard

In anticipation of being able to improve their personnel at tackle through the draft, the Texans already had Chester Pitts working at left guard, where he started throughout the 2004 season.

Steve McKinney is moving to right guard, where he has never played. He spent the first four years of his career at left guard with the Indianapolis Colts before spending four years at center for the Texans. Free-agent signee Mike Flanagan is the Texans' new center.

"Every coach has their opinion of where they think your best position is and where you can contribute most," Pitts said. "That's what the new staff feels will be best. It's known that I prefer to play tackle, but I will play guard.

"I expect us to get better this year, especially because I believe Kubiak's (zone-blocking) system is solid and effective. I believe everybody will be better, and things will go better for all of us."

After focusing on the defensive side of the ball in the first two rounds by selecting North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams No. 1 overall and Alabama outside linebacker DeMeco Ryans with the 33rd pick, the Texans gave their offense a boost in round three.

As soon as Spencer and Winston heard their names called, they realized they were going to a team that could instantly use their help. It was the ideal scenario for both.

"As an offensive lineman, if you're focused on anything else other than making sure the dirt stays off your quarterback, then you're probably playing the wrong position," Winston said. "I've never met David Carr, but I can tell you that my main objective is going to be to make sure that the running backs have great holes to run through, that the quarterback has unbelievable time to throw, and that the receivers can have time to catch the ball."

Winston, who played left tackle since 2003, was projected by many to be a late first-round or early second-round selection. Major knee surgery in 2004 likely caused his drop to round three.

Spencer was a defensive tackle at Pittsburgh until 2004, when he was shifted to guard. He then played left tackle his senior year.

"At the end of Spencer's senior year, he played as well as any tackle we studied in the draft," Kubiak said.
 
I guess I'll be waiting to see the agility and quickness of this guy who is 6'4" and 352 pounds. It might be a road-grader on the run, but handling these 4.6, 4.7 speed DEs on the pass will be interesting.
 
SuperMario said:
What does this mean for Wade??? I don't see him fitting in the zone blocking scheme.

Wade's probably gone after June 1. Interesting to see Spencer is projected at LT....thought he was more of a RG..Is this Kubiak's opinion or the writer's?

Anyway, we definitely have better options now.:redtowel:
 
bdiddy said:
I was under the impression that Winston was the more agile and capable pass defender, i.e., more suited for the left side, and that Spencer was a mauler, someone best suited to play guard or RT.

Winston doesn't have the wingspan to play LT, maybe LG, but we already have a dozen people on this team who could play LG.
 
Spencer at LT and Winston at RT?

Perhaps the Texans are trading David Carr for Chris Simms. :jk:
 
SuperMario said:
What does this mean for Wade??? I don't see him fitting in the zone blocking scheme.

Todd Wade is a gone gander on June 1st . . . cap hit be damned.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
I'm sure Carr is going to feel real comfortable with two rookies at both T positions.
Wand at LT and Wiegert at RT are not rookies. If you meant backups competeing for starting spots he will be stoked for the competition to keep him off his ****.
 
Marcus said:
I guess I'll be waiting to see the agility and quickness of this guy who is 6'4" and 352 pounds. It might be a road-grader on the run, but handling these 4.6, 4.7 speed DEs on the pass will be interesting.

Can you imagine this 352 pound behemoth pulling to set up the run?? The guy can move.


Since he'll only have to protect inside a 5 or 11 yard arc, I think he'll do fine. I like Wand playing LT, he also started all 16 games in 2004 at LT. I think Wand is the starter, and Spencer is the project...... he'll see heavy rotation, but he won't start 'till he proves to be the guy we want him to be.

Winston, will more than likely win the RT spot.
 
All I know is that anything is an improvement over Victor Riley.

Thank god for a new coaching staff.
 
Todd Wade will be the third year of a six year deal, and, while I am no capologist, I think thats a pretty big hit on us. A comment from a capologist would be nice. The contract was 6 years, 20 mill, plus 10 mill to sign for 30 mill total.
 
Personally, I find all this offensive line talk more mind blowing than taking Mario Williams with the first pick. Hard to wrap my brain around.

Those of us who follow the team closely will really have to forget what we "know" about our personnel, and really get used to a completely new offensive system.

Out of all the things I would really like to know more about with the team, details about their Oline thinking is at the top of my list.
 
mancunian said:
What about McKinney?

Thinking the same thing
Wade and McKinney.. lots of money to sit on the bench..

hmm June 1st cuts if they don't make starting rotation?
 
Wolf said:
Thinking the same thing
Wade and McKinney.. lots of money to sit on the bench..

hmm June 1st cuts if they don't make starting rotation?

why re-do McKinneys contract if they are planning to cut him in June.....doesn't make sense to me.
 
Marcus said:
I guess I'll be waiting to see the agility and quickness of this guy who is 6'4" and 352 pounds. It might be a road-grader on the run, but handling these 4.6, 4.7 speed DEs on the pass will be interesting.

He should be able to...Even though he is a big guy, he has better agility numbers than Ferguson, who is supposed to be the most agile lineman ever :rolleyes: ...Spencer will likely have to lose 15-20 pounds, and that will just make him quicker and more agile...
 
Wand is not a LT and never will be, he does not have the quickness/foot work required for the position. Winston is a natural and will be the LT. A lot of people are critical of his short arms but that is negated by his quick feet. A lot is made of long arms but most linemen don't have feet that are quick enough to keep up with defensive ends. The idea is that as the DE out paces the LT around the corner, the LT has long arms and pushes the DE past the QB. Winston has excellent foot work and, therefore, does not need long arms. This is a very minor problem.

Spencer may have the foot work to be a tackle, but given his size 350+ lbs., and since I have never seen him play, Look for him to be at RG.

Here is my take on the line to start the season.

Pitts (LT), Mckinney (LG), Flannagan (C), Spencer (RG), Wand (RT)
or Winston (LT), Pitts (LG), Flannagan (C), Mckinney (RG), Wand (RT)

Reasons for this line up:1) you probably don't want two rookies on the line to start the season. Pitts will eventually move inside to LG, which is a more natural position for him.
2) Either Wand or McKinney will be a cap casualty eventually. Spencer will replace.
3) Wand was a good player for Miami before Capers and Co. got a hold of him. I think he could be again. McKinney is older and slowing down.
4) We definitely don't want two rookies on the same side of the line.

By the end of the year, the line will look like this:
Winston (LT), Pitts (LG), Flannagan (C), Spencer (RG), Wand (RT)
 
Wharton said:
Here is my take on the line to start the season.

Pitts (LT), Mckinney (LG), Flannagan (C), Spencer (RG), Wand (RT)
or Winston (LT), Pitts (LG), Flannagan (C), Mckinney (RG), Wand (RT)

Pitts was on 610 the other day. He said the line they are working with right now, is

Wand.......... Pitts........ Flanagan.........McKinney.........Wiegart

He said the coaches feel like he is a gaurd..... he wants to play tackle, but will do what the coaches ask him to do.

So with that line, & most fans thinking Wand makes a better LT than Pitts, I think we can assume that's how it's going to be. I doubt Spencer will start anygames this year..... we're going to see him in several different spots over the year though.

Winston is going to start somewhere, & I'm thinking RT.
 
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