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[GhostRaider2006]

That ain't gonna cut it. That's just turning to the choir and asking them to sing. The media just wants to report what makes for a better story and disappointed fans like yourself only want to hear your own crowing. You have to PROVE it, too. And internet polls aren't proof. Here's a hint:

Proof:
1. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
2.a. The validation of a proposition by application of specified rules, as of induction or deduction, to assumptions, axioms, and sequentially derived conclusions.
b. A statement or argument used in such a validation.

3. a. Convincing or persuasive demonstration: was asked for proof of his identity; an employment history that was proof of her dependability.
b. The state of being convinced or persuaded by consideration of evidence.

4. Determination of the quality of something by testing; trial: put one's beliefs to the proof.

My point is that unless you both can get the Gallup Poll running, you can't prove your point. And there is no point playing the internet fillibuster game to pretend you can. Just accept the reality and move on. You can repeat the same tired, unproveable statements over and over but it 1) won't make them true and 2) won't change what happened.

PS: I wanted Bush, that is until is gangstaliciousness came to light.

That is about the biggest load of crap I have seen posted on this board yet and you come off sounding like a conspiracy theorist by saying the media is out to get you.

I have given sources wether or not you like them or not. Now its your turn. Put up or shut up.

 

[BradK10]

How grown up of you. I am dumb because I simply don't agree with you? Get over yourself. You lose complete credibility everytime you post something like this and comes off very child like.

Oh and by the way I believe Beltran is having a pretty good season so far.

He is? I believe he's missed at least a weeks' time with injuries. We won't even touch last year for him (oops, did you forget he was with the Mets last year?)

Besides, what are you arguing with me for? I agreed and said this was NOT the popular picks with fans. I'm just saying that the fan who do defend this pick are not running like you state they are. We simply know what these teams needs and what will help them be more competitive, not some flashy "me" guy who will keep our A.D.D. fans entertained for a little bit.

 

[MojoX]

That is about the biggest load of crap I have seen posted on this board yet and you come off sounding like a conspiracy theorist by saying the media is out to get you.

Here's a link for you: Special Help

And with that, I am now done feeding the troll.

 

[GhostRaider2006]

He is? I believe he's missed at least a weeks' time with injuries. We won't even touch last year for him (oops, did you forget he was with the Mets last year?)

Yeah he's been pretty decent aside from his injury. Here is his stats so far:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6132

Besides, what are you arguing with me for? I agreed and said this was NOT the popular picks with fans. I'm just saying that the fan who do defend this pick are not running like you state they are. We simply know what these teams needs and what will help them be more competitive, not some flashy "me" guy who will keep our A.D.D. fans entertained for a little bit.

Sorry for attacking but you basically called me an idiot in your last post because I don't agree with your opinion.You had to expect something as i would from you if I had done the same.

 

[GhostRaider2006]

Here's a link for you: Special Help

And with that, I am now done feeding the troll.

Jeez I expected much more. And just because I disagree with you dosen't make me a troll wether you like it or not.

 

[BradK10]

Yeah he's been pretty decent aside from his injury. Here is his stats so far:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6132



Sorry for attacking but you basically called me an idiot in your last post because I don't agree with your opinion.You had to expect something as i would from you if I had done the same.

But what did he do LAST year...that's what I was referring to, seems to me the Astros did alright without him.

Yeah perhaps I just grouped you in automatically with the knee jerkers on this board, my bad.

 

[GhostRaider2006]

But what did he do LAST year...that's what I was referring to, seems to me the Astros did alright without him.

Hey I will admit he had a bad year plauged with injuries. But they didn't sign him for one year. I mean hell even Bagwell and Biggio have had bad years. I am looking for him to rebound especially since he is plugged right into the middle of my fantasy roster.

Yeah perhaps I just grouped you in automatically with the knee jerkers on this board, my bad.

As I have said before I am not a bandwagon fan. I am a proud to have my season tickets and won't be selling them anytime soon. I have stated many time before that I will not abandon this team good or bad. If they are bad I will just be rooting for a bad team.

And I apologioze for attacking again.

 

[Specter]

If he doesn't get the job with the league, will this draft make or break him?

We had a GREAT draft, i remember us sitting on pick 33 and i was praying for winston and when they took ryans I was like WHAT?? But we ended up getting out man along with spencer and ryans is a pretty good linebacker for a great defense. I think this might be a best draft yet, well, except for the davis/ajohnson one. But seriously, i dont care what happens to Charlie, we got our money's worth for sure.

 

[Texans_Chick]

I have no problem doing that at all. First turn on your tv and watch the local news. I have only seen two or three positive reactions in interviews from fans there. You know what the rest were. Let's shift over to the radio Sports Radio 610 am, KTRH 740 am, The ESPN Sports Animal 950am listen to these channels tommorow they all broadcast live on the air. I haven't heard one positive fan reaction there yet. Now onto the web and boards. The fact that Williams supporters are tired of responding to all the anit-williams threads only a day after the draft show the fact that they are seriously overwhelmed. It's a new person attacking this pick every 15 minutes with the same 5- 15 group of Williams supporters attacking their views when they get a chance. Hell why don't you jump over to ESPN and check out their poll of how we graded out that is quite revealing as well.

Your turn now.

The people that call into sports talk radio shows are usually the ones that are motivated enough to be put on hold just so that they can have the privilege of demonstrating how much their tighty whities are in a wad.

I am guessing after the shock of the pick wears off, people will come around to it.

 

[jerek]

Well what I meant was that they may not have been as high on Bush as we were lead to believe.

They never were. Mario was the pick since he interviewed here and prior to that Bush was still the same great player who was hyped to the point of utter fallacy. Look at (a) Kubiak's historically proven system, and (b) the Texans roster in terms of need, and you could have seen this coming a mile away. I just refused to believe -- up until about 2-3 days prior to the fact -- that our FO would actually have the stones to follow through on this decision. And I am very glad they did.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

They never were. Mario was the pick since he interviewed here and prior to that Bush was still the same great player who was hyped to the point of utter fallacy. Look at (a) Kubiak's historically proven system, and (b) the Texans roster in terms of need, and you could have seen this coming a mile away. I just refused to believe -- up until about 2-3 days prior to the fact -- that our FO would actually have the stones to follow through on this decision. And I am very glad they did.

Yep. If you watched college football, watched the Texans, kept up with the Texans moves in the off season - staff, FA acquistions, cuts, current and future investment from a cap stand point, dead cap moving forward - and realized how bad our defense was last year then this was the move to make.

 

[TexasJedi]

They never were. Mario was the pick since he interviewed here and prior to that Bush was still the same great player who was hyped to the point of utter fallacy. Look at (a) Kubiak's historically proven system, and (b) the Texans roster in terms of need, and you could have seen this coming a mile away. I just refused to believe -- up until about 2-3 days prior to the fact -- that our FO would actually have the stones to follow through on this decision. And I am very glad they did.

You're right, we should have seen this coming, the pieces of the puzzle were there. But I will admit I did not put it together. I am ultimately pleased with the pick.

 

[Texans Horror]

It's not that I'm mad about the pick, but there are so many questions about Mario. I think a lot of fans have felt burned by the Texans draft picks, so that's why when an "obvious" choice like Reggie came along, they were shocked that the Texans did not take it. I have concessions against Reggie, too, but I feel more confident that he will play every game. With Mario, I wonder if the Texans have bought a hot/cold player. I'm going to call this question the Super Mario/Luigi Conundrum.

 

[SESupergenius]

I'm mad at the pick, I have no problems saying it. Here is why. We got Weaver in the offseason to go along with TJ, Robaire, and Payne. That should have been our line for the 2006 season especially if you add in that we have Peek, Babin, and Kalu as backups. Babin is pretty much going to be wasted and will be yet another casualty against our cap. We have to have one of the highest paid defensive lines in the league.

"I wanted to make sure there was no holdout" - McNAir

Does that sound like a football decision?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I'm mad at the pick, I have no problems saying it. Here is why. We got Weaver in the offseason to go along with TJ, Robaire, and Payne. That should have been our line for the 2006 season especially if you add in that we have Peek, Babin, and Kalu as backups. Babin is pretty much going to be wasted and will be yet another casualty against our cap. We have to have one of the highest paid defensive lines in the league.

"I wanted to make sure there was no holdout" - McNAir

Does that sound like a football decision?

Why yes it does.

 

[jerek]

I'm mad at the pick, I have no problems saying it. Here is why. We got Weaver in the offseason to go along with TJ, Robaire, and Payne. That should have been our line for the 2006 season especially if you add in that we have Peek, Babin, and Kalu as backups. Babin is pretty much going to be wasted and will be yet another casualty against our cap. We have to have one of the highest paid defensive lines in the league.

"I wanted to make sure there was no holdout" - McNAir

Does that sound like a football decision?

Why, yes it does.

Besides, you are taking one quote and making it the end-all, be-all emphasis. This was a football decisions through and through. Mario was simply the better fit for the Texans. I sympathize with your loss, but I encourage you: give it time. This will feel a lot better in a few months.

 

[pearland]

Mel Kiper gave our draft a B+, tied with 2 other teams for the highest grade.

Mel Kiper is a MEDIA PERSON!!

How many superbowls has he coached? How many times has he been a successful GM?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I'm mad at the pick, I have no problems saying it. Here is why. We got Weaver in the offseason to go along with TJ, Robaire, and Payne. That should have been our line for the 2006 season especially if you add in that we have Peek, Babin, and Kalu as backups. Babin is pretty much going to be wasted and will be yet another casualty against our cap. We have to have one of the highest paid defensive lines in the league.

"I wanted to make sure there was no holdout" - McNAir

Does that sound like a football decision?

SES, you wanted to bolster the line and take D'Brick. You would have probably liked to have seen it via a trade down possibility, but I do not want to hijack your thoughts. Given the draft is over what do you think of our O Line and the offense as a whole now?

 

[jerek]

SES, you wanted to bolster the line and take D'Brick. You would have probably liked to have seen it via a trade down possibility, but I do not want to hijack your thoughts. Given the draft is over what do you think of our O Line and the offense as a whole now?

I never liked D'Brick, IMO he is overrated. He is perfectly functional, but will never be a monster T. Watching his tape, I saw him get used just way too often. I was glad to see us address the O-line with Spencer and Winston, I think that both will be starters for us this year.

 

[dalemurphy]

Mel Kiper is a MEDIA PERSON!!

How many superbowls has he coached? How many times has he been a successful GM?

ron wolf!

 

[SESupergenius]

Charley inferred that Bush was not a very good person. Watch it again and he slips that in there. I think our Management was really turned off by his attitude and his representatives attitude.

And Casserly is the best person to get information and is believable? I'll give you quotes from him to the contrary if you want. I don't believe a word Casserly says, it's all total spin.

 

[SESupergenius]

SES, you wanted to bolster the line and take D'Brick. You would have probably liked to have seen it via a trade down possibility, but I do not want to hijack your thoughts. Given the draft is over what do you think of our O Line and the offense as a whole now?

Well let's looks at it, what has changed. The biggest will be the move to a west coast offense, that right there involves everyone on the offense, not just set roles where the TE blocks and rarely goes out and the RB is used strictly to block for the RB like we had previously. That will be huge and if Carr is mentally up to it, our offense should be lights out. How has our offensive line changed? The biggest addition is getting a line general in Flanagan. Realistically however, Flanagan is on the downslope of his career and he wasn't ever really regarded as an elite linemen. What he brings is veteran leadership and in working with a player type similar to David Carr. But what else have we done? We put Wand in at LT for a few days before drafting Spencer and Winston, both players that might just be what this offense needed, but it's a big crap shoot at LT once again because we don't have a definitive player to play that position. I like Wiegart more than I do Wade and McKinney really is not that great. Our TE situation may be the best we've had in a while if Joppru can be healthy, so it's a little pre mature to assess that until more information comes out on him.

Overall we've upgraded the offense, especially in getting Moulds, but to me when you bring in a whole new system, new players it's going to take a while. Something that most fans do not have the stomach for. I personally felt that we should have take other roads this draft, but there is no doubt we've made the offense better this off season.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Well let's looks at it, what has changed. The biggest will be the move to a west coast offense, that right there involves everyone on the offense, not just set roles where the TE blocks and rarely goes out and the RB is used strictly to block for the RB like we had previously. That will be huge and if Carr is mentally up to it, our offense should be lights out. How has our offensive line changed? The biggest addition is getting a line general in Flanagan. Realistically however, Flanagan is on the downslope of his career and he wasn't ever really regarded as an elite linemen. What he brings is veteran leadership and in working with a player type similar to David Carr. But what else have we done? We put Wand in at LT for a few days before drafting Spencer and Winston, both players that might just be what this offense needed, but it's a big crap shoot at LT once again because we don't have a definitive player to play that position. I like Wiegart more than I do Wade and McKinney really is not that great. Our TE situation may be the best we've had in a while if Joppru can be healthy, so it's a little pre mature to assess that until more information comes out on him.

Overall we've upgraded the offense, especially in getting Moulds, but to me when you bring in a whole new system, new players it's going to take a while. Something that most fans do not have the stomach for. I personally felt that we should have take other roads this draft, but there is no doubt we've made the offense better this off season.

An observation that is hard to argue with. Man would it be nice to have a healthy Joppru.

 

[Porky]

That's right!! I meant to mention that.

In the middle of Casserly's lecture to the fans, he slips and says "Mario is a better human being..." and then pauses as if catching himself before saying something else. But he did say it, he says he was a better human being. What do they know that we don't?

Actually, he said something to the effect of "Mario is a great football player, and an even better human being". I don't remember him making a comparison to Bush in that regard, and I was intently listening. Unfortenantely, I think I erased it on TIVO. He seemed to be imploring people to give him a chance, that this not only is a great player, but a great guy that everyone can get behind. He put down Bush (as I expected from the spin master) but only on the playing field. I never heard any kind of comment about Bush's character.

 

[lsmoreno56]

Uhh sorry to call you out on this but I was there and that is not true. There was a very small contigent there at the draft party that tried to cheer but were quickly drowned out by all of the booing and the chanting of Reggie. Their cheering lasted all of ten seconds and the booing lasted quite a while.


Oh give me a break with your conspiracy theories. The only positive things I have heard have been coming from a small group of posters on the boards trying to defend the pick. I haven't heard anything positive from anywhere else.



Well here is your chance. PROVE IT.

I'm very happy with the choice the Texans made. A true fan realizes our weaknesses were our defensive and offensive lines. We didn't need Bush.

 

[Texans_Chick]

"I wanted to make sure there was no holdout" - McNAir

Does that sound like a football decision?

McNair just said on the radio that they believe they could have signed either one. That near the end, they were close enough to sign with either one.


Hey, BTW, did anyone hear the Bush interview on the Today show? Somebody this morning told me that when Bush was asked about Houston, he responded that it is hot. And that this is all he said.

No state income tax and it is hot. Hmmm. Interesting way of interviewing for a job. Hello, if I got a potential big paycheck coming to me, I can suck it up and say all sorts of nice things about any NFL city. Dude didn't want to be here. It is so obvious.

Well, lucky him--now he gets both a state income tax in a place that is also hot.

 

[shinerbock_girl]

I think they mostly made the decision after Bush visited Houston. I don't think that visit went well. Check out this account:

Link: Yahoo Sports





Then the very next day, they get Mario Williams to Houston.

The Texans couldn't say the visit with Bush went unwell that because they didn't want to derail any trade up suitors but I never got the feeling that Bush was in love with the Texans and vice versa, the way it should have been since Bush was in the media's eyes "the consensus #1 pick" and we had the first pick and wheelbarrows full of money.

If you know you are the first pick and you really want to go to that city, you sell yourself like crazy to the locals. Bush never did that.

Here's an example and some inadvertant humor given his parent's house situation:

Reggie Chat Link



He says "Thanks." Not "Yeah, I've heard great things about Houston and blah blah blah. Perfect opportunity to say something nice about the city. If you look to the rest of the chat, he says nicer stuff about his favorite cartoon character and the potential of having a career modeling.

Just thinking out loud.

Well i'll admit i was pro Bush before but now i respect their choice of picking Mario...I changed my mind about Bush's character when during the draft one of the commentators that interviewed Bush and his thoughts of being with the Saints. I wasn't too thrilled with his comment saying it would have been easier to have gone to the Jets because of his endorsements...The commentator said he feared he would lose alot of money in NO because of their poor market, rather then being in NY and making more money from his endorsements......Did anyone else see this???? I really thought that was an inappropiate thing to say after NO was soo happy to draft him, you'd think he was grateful....I believe Ncnair when he said Mario is ready to play football without distractions....So looks like they seen what was to come with all this publicity of Bush and his endorsements, court cases, so it would have been a big distraction and less concentration on playing football...It all fits together now that they did make the right pick...Mario is about playing football, he's humble, and Bush is about fame and fortune and what will bring him the most bucks...Very obvious now....Being drafted was not just good enough for him. He wanted to go where he could make money not just on football, but endorsements, limelight...NY is where he clearly wanted to go. Those comments he made really painted the whole picture to me. Mario hasn't mentioned the money once whereas thats ALL Bush has been taking about, even AFTER the draft.

 

[swisher]

Actually, he said something to the effect of "Mario is a great football player, and an even better human being". I don't remember him making a comparison to Bush in that regard, and I was intently listening. Unfortenantely, I think I erased it on TIVO. He seemed to be imploring people to give him a chance, that this not only is a great player, but a great guy that everyone can get behind. He put down Bush (as I expected from the spin master) but only on the playing field. I never heard any kind of comment about Bush's character.

I'll go back and listen. I still have it. You may be right, but for whatever reason I did take it as a comparison to Bush.