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Carr looking for his Tight Ends....

Kaiser Toro said:
Texan279. You need to watch the games to understand what Vincenzo and I are saying or revert to your playing days in organized sport. Plummer made a lot of mistakes on a bad team, but late in the game the guy would "rally" his team where he would mobilize a bunch of awful players who had nothing to play for, into a unit. He would do things that showed you a glimpse that there was something intangible there that you knew at any time he could summon.

Carr on the other hand has shown me great tangibles - toughness, arm strength, being a good guy, but there has not been a game where I been in awe and thought to myself, "there it is, that defining moment." Sure he had the TD against the Jags, but I want to see him make plays starting in the pocket when the chips are down and they have been down quite often. Somewere along the line his talent had to have transferred and overcome any bad coaching or talent around him. That is what the great ones do every game.
This has always been a "feel" thing for me and admittedly it is impossible to measure and hard for many to understand. Couch is another example of this. Montana is on the extreme opposite end.
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That is so false! Thats all I will say.
 
tsip said:
Vinny, I know the frustration of trying to deal with Carr :homer:'s on any type of reasonable/sensible level, but IMO it's impossible. Why? To them (and some have even posted as such), this is Carr's first 'real' year because he was 'screwed' so bad his first 4 yrs by everything/anything so they don't count.

Already, because of Carr's less than 'stellar' performance in pre-season, the initial time frame they gave for Carr to 'finally' show his stuff, is changing. IMO, it started at 6 games-then half season-then the entire season-then a season and a half, etc. Will Carr grow too old first?

I suspect most of these same posters bought into Caper's BS right up to the moment he was fired, thinking-somehow/someway the 'demise' of the team was not his fault--'give him one more chance.'

I'm just going to sit back this year and watch how everything unfolds, hopefully more good than bad. Maybe David bought into that assertion by Palmer the very first year when he said the offense was only learning a small part of his 'playbook' the first year and-it would take years to learn it all. Of coures, we know now that the team never moved forward on that playbook, backwards instead. So, yes indeed, those first '4' years were a 'circus ride.'

It's a new day, a new beginning--new oppurtunities--positive changes to the team everywhere...There is absolutely 'no reason' not to expect a 'higher' level of play/results from every player on this team, every player...:cowboy1:
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Better go back and read my posts. One, I am no Carr homer, just because I defend the guy does not make me a honer. Two, go back and re read both of the preseason game threads, I said Carr looked "shaky", "made several bad decisions", "made several bad throws", "made several mistakes", and "did not look comfortable". Three, the timetable I personally set for Carr was 1 - 1/2 seasons, and I stated that long BEFORE preseason even started, go check my posts. Fourth, I was never fond of Capers to begin with and didn't "buy into" anything he said.
 
"Better go back and read my posts. One, I am no Carr homer, just because I defend the guy does not make me a honer. Two, go back and re read both of the preseason game threads, I said Carr looked "shaky", "made several bad decisions", "made several bad throws", "made several mistakes", and "did not look comfortable". Three, the timetable I personally set for Carr was 1 - 1/2 seasons, and I stated that long BEFORE preseason even started, go check my posts. Fourth, I was never fond of Capers to begin with and didn't "buy into" anything he said."
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If my post was intended for you, personally, it would have had your name on it...geezzzzzzzzzzzz
 
tsip said:
"Better go back and read my posts. One, I am no Carr homer, just because I defend the guy does not make me a honer. Two, go back and re read both of the preseason game threads, I said Carr looked "shaky", "made several bad decisions", "made several bad throws", "made several mistakes", and "did not look comfortable". Three, the timetable I personally set for Carr was 1 - 1/2 seasons, and I stated that long BEFORE preseason even started, go check my posts. Fourth, I was never fond of Capers to begin with and didn't "buy into" anything he said."
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If my post was intended for you, personally, it would have had your name on it...geezzzzzzzzzzzz
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Well I was one of about two here discussing Carr with Vinny so it was either directed towards me or infantrycak, unless you just felt the need to jump in the thread and bash on "Carr homers"...
 
infantrycak said:
Get over yourself and your martyrdom of being on one side of a debate. There are plenty of folks on both sides of the Carr debate and a ton of folks in the middle who see what is going on. This continual whaaa my pee pee hurts from either extreme is tiresome.
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:ROFL:

Whaa my pee pee hurts??
 
Lucky said:
Using the same logic, the Texans and Kubiak must think Carr is worth a lot. Seeing that they gave him the big bonus and bypassed all of the 1st round QBs. Right?
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What, so you are saying they can't be wrong? The Broncos liked Griese and Tommy Maddux at one time too. Here in Texanville Kubiak chose the vet instead of taking a rookie going with Carr for this season season - A vet who is still running on spec and isn't proven mind you. I'm willing to bet the Kubiak/McNair brain trust could possibly be as wrong about Carr as the Broncos were about Griese and Plummer (since they are replacing him now) Right?
 
Vinny said:
What, so you are saying they can't be wrong? The Broncos liked Griese and Tommy Maddux at one time too. Here in Texanville Kubiak chose the vet instead of taking a rookie going with Carr for this season season - A vet who is still running on spec and isn't proven mind you. I'm willing to bet the Kubiak/McNair brain trust could possibly be as wrong about Carr as the Broncos were about Griese and Plummer (since they are replacing him now) Right?
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I don't know if you are right or not....but your posts are beginning to give the impression that you think there's less chance of you being wrong than the Texans coaches.
 
Scooter said:
it's going to take time and kubiak kicking him in the rear for a few weeks. carr hasnt had a TE since billy miller played well in 02. also, he's more inclined to dump to the RB in TE situations because A) he was told to do so by capers & co, and B) he's been behind the worst line in NFL history - get it quick to DD so that he gets hit instead. i expect to for putz to be the most influential player in our passing attack (not necessarily the most catches, but as carr's safety net much like wycheck), but i dont think we'll see that until atleast a couple games in. there are a lot of bad habits to be hammered out of carr this year, this is one of them.
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To be devils advocate should Sage start on game day since he is able to find his TE`s already? It’s a new system for Sage also.Then when DC comes up to speed he can become the starter again?
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
I guess we're going to find out, aren't we?

Michael Vick is in the same boat IMO. He's been touted e-v-e-r-y year as the next big thing...and now he's been relegated to ho-hum status by most fantasy football gurus. They're just tired of the hype.

Falcons have a guy in Matt Schaub who could probably guide that team to a better record, but.....they just can't seem to hand it over to him yet. I'm anxious to see what happens in Houston and Atlanta this season. Two teams whose QB is a physical prototype but hasn't produced to the expectations of all involved. Should be interesting to see it unfold. And that's the fun of NFL to me: Watching things develop and seeing how they turn out. And winning...I guess that's kind of a big deal too.
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good point!
 
CaptainPatriot said:
To be devils advocate should Sage start on game day since he is able to find his TE`s already? It’s a new system for Sage also.Then when DC comes up to speed he can become the starter again?
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i dont think so, carr's not adjusting to game speed or coming into the NFL for the first time as a rookie would. the best thing for carr right now is repititions. he should be in for a half to 3 quarters tonight, so hopefully it'll be easier for us fans to see where he really stands. the gameplan should be pretty similar to a regular season game, so who knows ... putz might end up with 6 catches tonight.
 
texflex513 said:
If you recall billy miller was the closest thing to a recieving TE that we had and he was david's favorite target. They hooked up often... It has only been 2 PRESEASON games give him time to adapt during the regular season im sure daniels and putzier will get plenty of balls their way.
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But see thats my point . How is it DC needs more time where as for Sage he has the nac to throw to the TE's already. Sage is in a whole new enviroment and system. Looks like Sage has his progression down already. Where as DC still needs time.
 
Hulk75 said:
Yea true the coverage is also softer when he is in anyways.:rolleyes:
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...make you a deal. I won't 'knock' Carr's play tonight if you don't make excuses for it...deal?
 
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