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Carr. Let him go for his own sake.

Second Honeymoon said:
David Carr Sucks.....and no amount of homering can change that simple fact.

doug
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*disapprove

get over yourself, you're like a broken ****ing record ~michaelm
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That's so you'll know that it wasn't someone else using my name to drop a negative rep on you.

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texan_fan_8 said:
That's because they gave up after the first 2 plays of the game. I know you all kid about it all being Carr's fault but the QB sets the tone and with the devoid of player leadership, this QB in particular needs to set a tone.

Fired up defenses tend to make alot less mistakes. I personally think the wheels started to come off the entire team with that first snap, first sack play.

Negativism and defeatism is a cancer.
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Let me see if I'm getting you right here. You think it is Carr's fault that our defense was bad? Wow, that's one I hadn't heard before.

I guess I can appreciate some creativity every once in a while.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
This team has to get better all the way around. David Carr is not the single problem. In fact he had a good game. There is too much mis-guided anger on this board. Some people could put that energy to something useful instead trying to encite more anger......that's what is pathetic.
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Hey Hardcore, and all you other homers out there--

I did not say Carr was the only problem. I said Carr was gunshy and not a leader. I don't care WHY he's gunshy, only THAT he's gunshy. If you're on this team and you know Carr is going nowhere and the offense is going to piddle it out until there is no resistance (Carr had a good game? Jeez, yoiu got a different idea of a good game--guy cleans up his stats when we're so far behind it might as well be a practice game, and you call it "a good game?"), well, you'd fold, too.

Besides, this D can't really play the Colts to start with -- outcoached, outplayed.

I've been say we should get rid of Carr for AT LEAST two years. You can look at the way the guy plays and SEE that he's nobody's hero. He's kind of a wuss. If it walks like a wuss, and talks like a wuss, well, you make the call.

Yeah yeah, been hit a lot. You see him jump away from center causing the fumble in the first? Tell he wasn't a little on edge there?

The point is, we have to start over and Carr is in the way. Has been in the way for a couple of years now, after it was clear he wasn't going to live up to his draft billing in Houston. Who knows, maybe he'll BECOME a hero for somebody, some other team, different coaches, different players. Maybe he could be good, but he'll NEVER BE GOOD HERE.

Get over it. Move on. Etc.

And here's a big P.S. Nobody's angry. The people who want to move Carr out are just tired of losing, tired of having no offensive spark, tired of no leadership, tired of losing, like everybody else. Like you. It's just that we're willing to bet that you take Carr out from under center and you'll light a fire under this team.
 
Nighthawk said:
Hey Hardcore, and all you other homers out there--

I did not say Carr was the only problem. I said Carr was gunshy and not a leader. I don't care WHY he's gunshy, only THAT he's gunshy. If you're on this team and you know Carr is going nowhere and the offense is going to piddle it out until there is no resistance (Carr had a good game? Jeez, yoiu got a different idea of a good game--guy cleans up his stats when we're so far behind it might as well be a practice game, and you call it "a good game?"), well, you'd fold, too.

Besides, this D can't really play the Colts to start with -- outcoached, outplayed.

I've been say we should get rid of Carr for AT LEAST two years. You can look at the way the guy plays and SEE that he's nobody's hero. He's kind of a wuss. If it walks like a wuss, and talks like a wuss, well, you make the call.

Yeah yeah, been hit a lot. You see him jump away from center causing the fumble in the first? Tell he wasn't a little on edge there?

The point is, we have to start over and Carr is in the way. Has been in the way for a couple of years now, after it was clear he wasn't going to live up to his draft billing in Houston. Who knows, maybe he'll BECOME a hero for somebody, some other team, different coaches, different players. Maybe he could be good, but he'll NEVER BE GOOD HERE.

Get over it. Move on. Etc.

And here's a big P.S. Nobody's angry. The people who want to move Carr out are just tired of losing, tired of having no offensive spark, tired of no leadership, tired of losing, like everybody else. Like you. It's just that we're willing to bet that you take Carr out from under center and you'll light a fire under this team.
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You're wanting to bench the only player that has shown any resemblance of life. I've said a couple times that this game got out of hand when Wali fumbled early in the game. We were driving down the field, and had a decent shot at cutting the lead in half early in the game.

You want to bench him? Fine, but you might as well bench D.Ryans and D.Rob for not leading our defense very well. Bench the entire OLine for sucking it up. Just bench the entire team for not living up to potential. We got outplayed by a better team two weeks in a row. Early mistakes made by people not named D.Carr did not help our team out.

While many people blame him for not getting on a roll early, he wasn't helped either. That fumble you say he lost in the first looked more like miscommunication between center and quarterback in an extremely loud environment than D.Carr dropping a ball. In fact, he wasn't looking for the ball yet, as he didn't even try to close his hands around it, causing the awkward bounce back towards the line. No one really knows who's fault that really is.

D.Carr is playing his heart out, and people want to bench him for it. Opinions are one thing, but this looks like blind hatred. I truly believe if Wali hadn't dropped the ball on the ground early, this game would have been a whole lot close than it was. Of course we'll never know about this game, but we will find out more when the Colts visit us next time.
 
Nighthawk said:
Hey Hardcore, and all you other homers out there--

I did not say Carr was the only problem. I said Carr was gunshy and not a leader. I don't care WHY he's gunshy, only THAT he's gunshy. If you're on this team and you know Carr is going nowhere and the offense is going to piddle it out until there is no resistance (Carr had a good game? Jeez, yoiu got a different idea of a good game--guy cleans up his stats when we're so far behind it might as well be a practice game, and you call it "a good game?"), well, you'd fold, too.

Besides, this D can't really play the Colts to start with -- outcoached, outplayed.

I've been say we should get rid of Carr for AT LEAST two years. You can look at the way the guy plays and SEE that he's nobody's hero. He's kind of a wuss. If it walks like a wuss, and talks like a wuss, well, you make the call.

Yeah yeah, been hit a lot. You see him jump away from center causing the fumble in the first? Tell he wasn't a little on edge there?

The point is, we have to start over and Carr is in the way. Has been in the way for a couple of years now, after it was clear he wasn't going to live up to his draft billing in Houston. Who knows, maybe he'll BECOME a hero for somebody, some other team, different coaches, different players. Maybe he could be good, but he'll NEVER BE GOOD HERE.

Get over it. Move on. Etc.

And here's a big P.S. Nobody's angry. The people who want to move Carr out are just tired of losing, tired of having no offensive spark, tired of no leadership, tired of losing, like everybody else. Like you. It's just that we're willing to bet that you take Carr out from under center and you'll light a fire under this team.
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You don't think I'm angry. I am angry as hell, everytime we lose it ticks me off for a long time, I can't stand it. And ripping another poster apart because I am angry is not my cup of tea. But I was talking about misguided anger. You think Carr is the main problem and I don't. No biggie, we both want to see them win and both have our own opinions about how Kubiak and the Team can do that. Plenty of room for discussion, pointing out intriguing facts, and good ole fashion debate.

What I was referring to was people coming on this board and relentlessly bombarding posters over and over and over and over again with the same general negative blanket statements. And we people disagree with posters like that, they just respond by saying "your stupid" or "you suck" and the forum doesn't remain a place of discussion or debate but becomes an outlet for anger directed at anyone who dares to disagree. It just gets old.....that's all I was saying.

Hey, I am open to other's opinions and that's why I am here to discuss Texans' football not to participate in the relentless constant bashing of the same players redundantly whether I like them or not. But just so you know...I like every player on Our Teams because they put on the Deep Steel Blue every Sunday!

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Carr steps up to the line. He's gonna set the tone here. He will be a leader. Everybody's watching him, key on him. He takes the snap, takes two steps back eyeing the field,


WHAM!!!

I really think Carr needs to show these guys how to block in between taking the snap and getting piled onto. I mean where's the leadership? No good QB would keep getting up and taking that. They'd at least be smart enough to get carried off the field. Sheesh, what's wrong with him. Then, he has a good drive and he lets Lundy fumble! How could Carr do that? He lets Peyton knife up the defense all day. Why wasn't he on the field showing Mario how to get to Peyton? Worst of all, he hasn't shown Kubiak or Sherman how to coach yet. Oh my.
 
Nighthawk said:
Hey Hardcore, and all you other homers out there--

I did not say Carr was the only problem. I said Carr was gunshy and not a leader. I don't care WHY he's gunshy, only THAT he's gunshy. If you're on this team and you know Carr is going nowhere and the offense is going to piddle it out until there is no resistance (Carr had a good game? Jeez, yoiu got a different idea of a good game--guy cleans up his stats when we're so far behind it might as well be a practice game, and you call it "a good game?"), well, you'd fold, too.

Besides, this D can't really play the Colts to start with -- outcoached, outplayed.

I've been say we should get rid of Carr for AT LEAST two years. You can look at the way the guy plays and SEE that he's nobody's hero. He's kind of a wuss. If it walks like a wuss, and talks like a wuss, well, you make the call.

Yeah yeah, been hit a lot. You see him jump away from center causing the fumble in the first? Tell he wasn't a little on edge there?

The point is, we have to start over and Carr is in the way. Has been in the way for a couple of years now, after it was clear he wasn't going to live up to his draft billing in Houston. Who knows, maybe he'll BECOME a hero for somebody, some other team, different coaches, different players. Maybe he could be good, but he'll NEVER BE GOOD HERE.

Get over it. Move on. Etc.

And here's a big P.S. Nobody's angry. The people who want to move Carr out are just tired of losing, tired of having no offensive spark, tired of no leadership, tired of losing, like everybody else. Like you. It's just that we're willing to bet that you take Carr out from under center and you'll light a fire under this team.
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"Besides, this D can't really play the Colts to start with -- outcoached, outplayed."

Wow that makes sense....Carr plays defense now, and he coaches too.

"If it walks like a wuss" ..How does a wuss walk, and how is that pertinent to being an NFL qb?

"after it was clear he wasn't going to live up to his draft billing in Houston"

Clear to whom...nighthawk?

"It's just that we're willing to bet" who is we? and bet what?

:hmmm:... Kubiak says Carr can do it....Nighthawk says Carr cannot.

Kubiak has played the qb position, and has coached in the nfl for several years now.

Nighthawk is a MB poster...:stirpot:

Dahhamn... I don't know what to believe.:rolleyes:

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Nighthawk said:
OK, it's the whole offense. And when Carr is playing against 3rd team guys he's a hot ticket. But in the first ten minutes of this game we learned all we need to know about Carr. He's gunshy. He's frightened. He's outta control. And he's not a leader.

Cut him loose and let him start over elsewhere.

For us, well, we gotta start somewhere. QB is as good a place as any.
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Don't blame Carr if the line resembles swiss cheese.
 
QB75 said:
Don't blame Carr if the line resembles swiss cheese.
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The line has problems because the offense is only playing of few plays and defenses know that.

I feel pretty confident that Kubiak has not even come close to installing the entire offense. If he has most of the offense installed, that naked bootleg on the first offensive play against Indy was really stupid.

If you are playing from a limited playbook in the NFL and a defensive coordinator has enough game tape on all those plays, you are going to have problems running the football or protecting the QB regardless of the line. Which is the problem.

Which, I don't is a coincidence, is the same problem Capers had. Very limited and predictable play calling.

The real question is why, given Kubiak's credentials, the offensive playbook so limited? That is the question...
 
Carr is 40-53 with o int how are people even beginnning to think that we need a new qb. get over that fact you people dont like him there is no way kubs will trde or even get a new qb going 40-53 in 2 games. the problem like it or not is that we still have horrible play calling. 2 giant receivers and yet most of the passes are less than 10 yds. if i recall right the year we went 7-9 a j had a twenty sumthin yard avg with rec. bottom line GO DEEP use the 2 beasts we have and let them go up for the ball and make a play. as for defense our safeies yes both suck horribly. we need to find a way to get better. both games they were never even close to the ball. none of the cb. is things dont change we will be the worst in the nfl yet again this year.......
 
amazingandre said:
Carr is 40-53 with o int how are people even beginnning to think that we need a new qb. get over that fact you people dont like him there is no way kubs will trde or even get a new qb going 40-53 in 2 games. the problem like it or not is that we still have horrible play calling. 2 giant receivers and yet most of the passes are less than 10 yds. if i recall right the year we went 7-9 a j had a twenty sumthin yard avg with rec. bottom line GO DEEP use the 2 beasts we have and let them go up for the ball and make a play. as for defense our safeies yes both suck horribly. we need to find a way to get better. both games they were never even close to the ball. none of the cb. is things dont change we will be the worst in the nfl yet again this year.......
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I think you maybe missing my point.

Look at all the changes made and you could argue this team is worse than last year's squad. We'll know more about that over the two weeks.

But, let's say Carr has played great. How has that translated into victories? How long will it take for it to translate into victories.

Carr is into his 5th year and it looks like this will take a minimum of two years before we can even think about a winning season.

It is very realistic to think that Carr could get through his 3 year extension and the Texans barely have a winning season.

It's getting to a point in Carr's career that he needs to start doing something, meanwhile the Texans could use some value to build this team.

It could be a good opportunity for both.

That is my point.

AJ could split easily considering everything, and who could blame him. Franchising a player is not an option, particularly a team that can't even put together a winning season. Which is more reason to get value from this current squad while they still can.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I will calm down when we actually get a legit NFL starter for the Texans
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so now we have to wait for 22 new starters...because essantially, after the way the texans played yesterday, thats what you are asking for. look, in carr's first...i believe four drop backs, he was sacked twice, fumbling once. peyton was peyton; frickin man among boys. our two best runners were people that just arrived with the team after pre-season. i'd like to see the texans run a no-huddle every once in a while, especially with moulds, aj, apparently owen daniels...something to spice up the team. you need to calm down honey...everyone's pissed, learn to deal.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Yeah, and our offense still blows.
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Our offense fought late in the game when they didn't have to. That alone makes me want to watch this team for fourteen more games. Heart is what we have been missing for so long, and I began to hear traces of it this weekend. Time people, time.
 
Texans86 said:
Our offense fought late in the game when they didn't have to. That alone makes me want to watch this team for fourteen more games. Heart is what we have been missing for so long, and I began to hear traces of it this weekend. Time people, time.
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I give a lot of credit to everyone including Carr for keeping their head in the game after losing the game in the 1st quarter. Looks like people could be buying into what the coach is doing...hopefully

Doug

p.s. Anyone seen Dunta lately? Did he retire or something? Just wondering.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I give a lot of credit to everyone including Carr for keeping their head in the game after losing the game in the 1st quarter. Looks like people could be buying into what the coach is doing...hopefully

Doug

p.s. Anyone seen Dunta lately? Did he retire or something? Just wondering.
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Whats your name and were are you from again?
 
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