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Does anyone think this guy is going to be really good on the next level?

I sure as hell don't. This guy already had problems and character issues coming into college and he's not a QB that's not going to need a lot of grooming. That's always a risk there. Then you add this guy's attitude and his ego and I can't believe that teams are even thinking of taking him in the first round. This guy is already talking in 3rd person for god sakes. All the athletes that do that always seem to be the head cases. I wouldn't touch Cam Newton until like the 3rd round if that.
 
Does anyone think this guy is going to be really good on the next level?

I sure as hell don't. This guy already had problems and character issues coming into college and he's not a QB that's not going to need a lot of grooming. That's always a risk there. Then you add this guy's attitude and his ego and I can't believe that teams are even thinking of taking him in the first round. This guy is already talking in 3rd person for god sakes. All the athletes that do that always seem to be the head cases. I wouldn't touch Cam Newton until like the 3rd round if that.

I saw a QB who left Florida, went to Blinn Jr College, get his way back into an Auburn program and get that Natl Championship. Everytime I've seen him I've only see him embracing the people and he looks pretty accurate to me.
 
I seriously doubt he'll end up like JaMarcus Russell, but unless he's put into an ideal situation where he can sit behind a vet for a few years, he'll at best be a VY 2.0. I have a feeling some team will take him in the first, maybe not one in the top 10, but some team out there will think they can model him into the next Vick.
 
I saw a QB who left Florida, went to Blinn Jr College, get his way back into an Auburn program and get that Natl Championship. Everytime I've seen him I've only see him embracing the people and he looks pretty accurate to me.

He's not an accurate thrower at all when in comparison with other QB's that enter the league as top talent. He has no zip on his passes either. His attitude will cause problems for him. You'll see. Guys with egos like that who also have poor parenting and bad advice usually end up causing problems fir themselves. He'll be hard to coach and he's more of raw talent than he is a QB. QB's like him can be successful all day long in college, but the NFL is a much different game.
 
I think he might develop into a Donovan McNabb type. Good, but turnover prone.

I can see the Donovan McNabb comparison!! Really good, but at the end of the day, won't deliver... That said, I think he'll be fairly productive... Not Jamarcus Russell.
 
:thinking: Ummmmmmm, NO!!!!

McNabb led the Eagles to four consecutive NFC East division championships (2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004), five NFC Championship Games (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2008), and one Super Bowl (Super Bowl XXXIX, in which the Eagles were defeated by the New England Patriots). Perhaps his most memorable play has become known as "4th and 26", which took place against the Green Bay Packers in the final minutes of a 2003 NFC Divisional playoff game.
He is the Eagles' all-time leader in career wins, pass attempts, pass completions, passing yards, and passing touchdowns.[1]

If Schaub ends up with this kind of record I'd be a happy fan.
 
If this guy fails, it will be something like off-the-field issue or injury.
Best QB prospect (besides Sam Bradford) I've seen since the day of VY.

If you go through the qualification list that Sid Gilman, John Madden, and Bill Walsh had for QB, Newton met all the criteria.

It's Gabbert who was in the spread offense.

Newton was under center about 3-4 times a game (not counting the Championship game.)
It wasn't much, but I've seen him carry out those snaps flawlesly.
From handing the ball off to the RB in the I-formation, fake a hand off then give the ball to a receiver on a reverse, bootleg a la Schaub, play action fake, drop back pass... everything that a QB in a pro system sees.

Even when he was in the shotgun, he would take a 3-step drop from time to time. Also, the Tigers used 2 backs in their shotgun quite often, including the offset I.
(I did say I wouldn't mind Gus Malzan at all when the Cougars was looking for a HC. This guy is pretty crazily innovative.)

So in term of who needs more time to get use to the pro set, I say it would be Gabbert.
 
Does anyone think this guy is going to be really good on the next level?

I sure as hell don't. This guy already had problems and character issues coming into college and he's not a QB that's not going to need a lot of grooming. That's always a risk there. Then you add this guy's attitude and his ego and I can't believe that teams are even thinking of taking him in the first round. This guy is already talking in 3rd person for god sakes. All the athletes that do that always seem to be the head cases. I wouldn't touch Cam Newton until like the 3rd round if that.

He really has to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds in order to become a viable long time starting QB. I honestly don't think him doing what he did in college is going to work for more than a few games or so if it works at all. It'll be interesting to see where he goes (I don't believe Carolina is going to pick him #1 overall, that just seems so stupid), and whether he's thrown in early or not. The character concerns are a little bit more trivial to me than what I see of him on game tape. I'm not saying he has no shot whatsoever, but I think he's going to have to put a lot of work into it. If he's up for that then he could be good, but I don't think he's going to have a big impact his rookie year.

E: I do think he has better throwing mechanics and a better motion than VY or Tebow had coming out of college, so he has that going for him. I think he's going to be plagued by accuracy issues like he showed at the combine.
 
He really has to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds in order to become a viable long time starting QB. I honestly don't think him doing what he did in college is going to work for more than a few games or so if it works at all. It'll be interesting to see where he goes (I don't believe Carolina is going to pick him #1 overall, that just seems so stupid), and whether he's thrown in early or not. The character concerns are a little bit more trivial to me than what I see of him on game tape. I'm not saying he has no shot whatsoever, but I think he's going to have to put a lot of work into it. If he's up for that then he could be good, but I don't think he's going to have a big impact his rookie year.

E: I do think he has better throwing mechanics and a better motion than VY or Tebow had coming out of college, so he has that going for him. I think he's going to be plagued by accuracy issues like he showed at the combine.
If he's going to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds, he will be the best QB ever to play the game!
 
If he's going to evolve in the passing game by leaps and bounds, he will be the best QB ever to play the game!

Nah, if he improves his passing game by leaps and bounds he'll be 2010 Michael Vick, with hopefully less injuries. That's an awfully big jump in skill that I don't think he's going to take. As I said before though, at least his mechanics aren't bad and his release is fairly quick. Other than that he's got his legs and QB's who use their legs too much in the NFL usually don't last too long.
 
I like him. Like his attitude/demeanor. Like his release. A leader's personality.

Needs to become a detail fanatic. If he can "see" it, I think he becomes a winner.
 
I like him. Like his attitude/demeanor. Like his release. A leader's personality.

Needs to become a detail fanatic. If he can "see" it, I think he becomes a winner.

And that about sums up how I feel about Cam Newton. I think with the right team, like say Tennessee or Minnesota where he can have a running game to rely on while he works on the small details of being an NFL QB he can be a really good QB in this league.
 
Well for one Cam Newton is not as good as VY was when Vince came out. Vince had only lost one game in his last two seasons of playing and came out early as a Junior. Vince had early success in the NFL because he sort of just winged it a lot of times and made plays with his feet. That worked for a while. But the minute that he went into his 2nd season and DC's and their players got to watch a ton of film on VY, that's when he started to really struggle. Teams knew how to game plan for the scrambles a lot better and when VY couldn't throw the ball all around the field it got a lot tougher and his immaturity started to show and things just got worse going into season 3.

VY didn't have a horrible ego going into the league. It was never documented anywhere. He hadn't been extremely immature either. His coaches loved him. Cam Newton on the other hand has already shown a ton of signs to have a huge ego, to be a "ME" first kind of guy, and to not listen to his coaches. He's had character issues where he could have gotten his school in trouble and his own parents were involved with that. I wouldn't touch this kid with a ten foot pole especially after seeing the problems and issues that Jamarcus Russell had who was also not a sound passer at QB either who got way overrated after his bowl game. Running QB's have proven time and time again that they don't end up having long term success in the NFL. Even Michael Vick hasn't had long term success in the NFL. His success went down big time before his dog scandal, and he came back and bounced back big time with the help of one of the best receiving cores in the NFL, but don't be surprised if teams start figuring out Vick again like they did right before his dog fighting scandal. This is a passer's league.
 
Nah, if he improves his passing game by leaps and bounds he'll be 2010 Michael Vick, with hopefully less injuries. That's an awfully big jump in skill that I don't think he's going to take. As I said before though, at least his mechanics aren't bad and his release is fairly quick. Other than that he's got his legs and QB's who use their legs too much in the NFL usually don't last too long.

I am not a fan of QB who likes to scramble just because he doesn't know what to do with the ball.
Newton knows what to do with the ball.
It's not his fault that Mazlan called running plays specifically for him.
On the other hand, he only scrambled when there was nobody open or pressure was coming heavily.
He scrambled and looked to pass first.
He does not have happy feet.

Remember that his passing efficiency rating of 182.05 was second only to Kelen Moore of Boise St. (182.63) who played against a much weaker schedule.
Gabbert was a mere 127.04

His 10.19 yd per attempt (not completion) was top in the country.
(Andrew Luck number was 8.97; Gabbert was 6.71)

His TD Pct of 10.71 was top in the nation (Gabbert was 3.37).
That means he threw for a TD pass every 9 attempts while it took Gabbert more than 3 times as many (roughly 28 attempts).

He attempted 280 passes as compared to:
McElroy 313, Dalton, 316, Tolzien 266, Ponder 299.

His poise in the pocket was 100 times better than VY.
He knew where the pressure can come from because his pre-snap read is very good.
He will slide away from the pressure to complete a pass.
VY cannot hold his jock as far as understanding the passing game and different defenses.
He went through multiple reads in his progression often.
On one play, he impressed the heck out of me by going through all 5 reads (in a short period of time).
That is, he looked at all 5 receivers before delivering the ball.
That's unheard of in college ball.
I'm not sure I've ever seen Schaub going thru 4 reads, let alone 5.

He had an arm that Schaub can only dream about;
he can zip the ball on the medium route while also has the touch on the short route.
This is also extremely rare.

In short, he's a whole lot more advanced in the passing game than all of the QBs that I have followed the last 5 years or so (beginning with Leinart and VY). I wasn't much into football for a long while since the Oilers left town so I didn't know much about guys like Rodgers who came out a year earlier.
The only other QB that I liked was Sam Bradford.

Gabbert isn't terrible.
I think he's a little short in a few areas.
If he can take the coaching, he could be a good one because he also got the tools.
The mental aspect; however, will be the biggest thing that he (Gabbert) needs to improve on.

Newton already has it!
 
I am not a fan of QB who likes to scramble just because he doesn't know what to do with the ball.
Newton knows what to do with the ball.
It's not his fault that Mazlan called running plays specifically for him.
On the other hand, he only scrambled when there was nobody open or pressure was coming heavily.
He scrambled and looked to pass first.
He does not have happy feet.

Remember that his passing efficiency rating of 182.05 was second only to Kelen Moore of Boise St. (182.63) who played against a much weaker schedule.
Gabbert was a mere 127.04

His 10.19 yd per attempt (not completion) was top in the country.
(Andrew Luck number was 8.97; Gabbert was 6.71)

His TD Pct of 10.71 was top in the nation (Gabbert was 3.37).
That means he threw for a TD pass every 9 attempts while it took Gabbert more than 3 times as many (roughly 28 attempts).

He attempted 280 passes as compared to:
McElroy 313, Dalton, 316, Tolzien 266, Ponder 299.

His poise in the pocket was 100 times better than VY.
He knew where the pressure can come from because his pre-snap read is very good.
He will slide away from the pressure to complete a pass.
VY cannot hold his jock as far as understanding the passing game and different defenses.
He went through multiple reads in his progression often.
On one play, he impressed the heck out of me by going through all 5 reads (in a short period of time).
That is, he looked at all 5 receivers before delivering the ball.
That's unheard of in college ball.
I'm not sure I've ever seen Schaub going thru 4 reads, let alone 5.

He had an arm that Schaub can only dream about;
he can zip the ball on the medium route while also has the touch on the short route.
This is also extremely rare.

In short, he's a whole lot more advanced in the passing game than all of the QBs that I have followed the last 5 years or so (beginning with Leinart and VY). I wasn't much into football for a long while since the Oilers left town so I didn't know much about guys like Rodgers who came out a year earlier.
The only other QB that I liked was Sam Bradford.

Gabbert isn't terrible.
I think he's a little short in a few areas.
If he can take the coaching, he could be a good one because he also got the tools.
The mental aspect; however, will be the biggest thing that he (Gabbert) needs to improve on.

Newton already has it!

Seriously, how in the world can you say that Cam Newton was more advanced in the passing game than Leinart was when Leinart came out of college? I honestly have to ask if you even watched the guy to say something like that. Leinart was a great passer in college. That's all he did was pass and that's what made him a great QB in college. He was slow as a snail and that was his only weapon in what was probably the most prolific offense in college football. Cam isn't even close to how Leinart was in college as far as passing.

And I'd say Cam is right on par with where VY was in college as far as his passing and that's exactly why I question this guy as much as I do. QB's with his skill set have proven time and time again that they struggle at the next level. And Cam's ego and attitude has shown to be ten times worse than anything VY eve showed back then. And Cam was not ever going through 5 reads on multiple plays in games. Let's get serious for a second. Cam had a very easy offense to run. There was nothing complicated at all about it.
 
I am not a fan of QB who likes to scramble just because he doesn't know what to do with the ball.
Newton knows what to do with the ball.
It's not his fault that Mazlan called running plays specifically for him.
On the other hand, he only scrambled when there was nobody open or pressure was coming heavily.
He scrambled and looked to pass first.
He does not have happy feet.

Remember that his passing efficiency rating of 182.05 was second only to Kelen Moore of Boise St. (182.63) who played against a much weaker schedule.
Gabbert was a mere 127.04

His 10.19 yd per attempt (not completion) was top in the country.
(Andrew Luck number was 8.97; Gabbert was 6.71)

His TD Pct of 10.71 was top in the nation (Gabbert was 3.37).
That means he threw for a TD pass every 9 attempts while it took Gabbert more than 3 times as many (roughly 28 attempts).

He attempted 280 passes as compared to:
McElroy 313, Dalton, 316, Tolzien 266, Ponder 299.

His poise in the pocket was 100 times better than VY.
He knew where the pressure can come from because his pre-snap read is very good.
He will slide away from the pressure to complete a pass.
VY cannot hold his jock as far as understanding the passing game and different defenses.
He went through multiple reads in his progression often.
On one play, he impressed the heck out of me by going through all 5 reads (in a short period of time).
That is, he looked at all 5 receivers before delivering the ball.
That's unheard of in college ball.
I'm not sure I've ever seen Schaub going thru 4 reads, let alone 5.

He had an arm that Schaub can only dream about;
he can zip the ball on the medium route while also has the touch on the short route.
This is also extremely rare.

In short, he's a whole lot more advanced in the passing game than all of the QBs that I have followed the last 5 years or so (beginning with Leinart and VY). I wasn't much into football for a long while since the Oilers left town so I didn't know much about guys like Rodgers who came out a year earlier.
The only other QB that I liked was Sam Bradford.

Gabbert isn't terrible.
I think he's a little short in a few areas.
If he can take the coaching, he could be a good one because he also got the tools.
The mental aspect; however, will be the biggest thing that he (Gabbert) needs to improve on.

Newton already has it!

If you are really trying to tell me that Cam Newton is more advanced at passing than all the other QB's in the draft then I'm not sure what to tell you. Newton is not a polished passer in the least and he has accuracy issues that would make any NFL QB coach cry. He was in a run-first spread offense that concentrates almost exclusively on shotgun sets. He did take a snap under center maybe twice or three times a game and that was it. Bringing up all these comparisons about how VY was better or vice versa is silly as they are two different players, albeit with a very similar skill set.

And talking about Newtons mental aspect after all of the hoopla surrounding his comments at the combine seems awfully silly. Those comments right there scream red flag everywhere they go. It's nice that he was able to play through all of the media scrutiny Auburn was receiving due to all the dirty deals associated with Newton and his father. But would you really draft that guy #1 overall? Really? That seems like such a more colossal blunder than taking VY at #3. One team may draft Newton high (I would think that Chan Gailey would be the coach who could get the most out of that guy), but in no way do I think a guy who has as checkered of a past as Newton with some inacurracy and not too great throwing mechanics as well as a run first mentality is not going to make it in the NFL.

And please don't bring up how awesome Newton was in college, there have been plenty of great college QB's that don't have a translateable game to the NFL. Pretty sure this is where Newton falls.
 
So 76, are you saying that you think Newton is more advance than Bradford was coming out?

Bah, I did say that the other QB that I liked was Sam Bradford.
I thought he could have come out a year earlier (meaning that he was ready),
even though I'm not among those who wants instant gratification.
When I take a guy at #1 to be a franchise QB, I still prefer the coaches to have a develomental program, playing a veteran QB and let the young guy catching a bit of the action when situations allow.
The sooner he can show that he's really ready, the more playing time he would get.
 
Seriously, how in the world can you say that Cam Newton was more advanced in the passing game than Leinart was when Leinart came out of college? I honestly have to ask if you even watched the guy to say something like that. Leinart was a great passer in college. That's all he did was pass and that's what made him a great QB in college. He was slow as a snail and that was his only weapon in what was probably the most prolific offense in college football. Cam isn't even close to how Leinart was in college as far as passing.

And I'd say Cam is right on par with where VY was in college as far as his passing and that's exactly why I question this guy as much as I do. QB's with his skill set have proven time and time again that they struggle at the next level. And Cam's ego and attitude has shown to be ten times worse than anything VY eve showed back then. And Cam was not ever going through 5 reads on multiple plays in games. Let's get serious for a second. Cam had a very easy offense to run. There was nothing complicated at all about it.

I just went back and rewatch the 06 Rose Bowl.
I agree with you that Leinart was a great QB in college.
There were two things that he can do very well:

1. Getting the ball to a wide-open receiver with no pressure up his face.

2. Getting the ball to receivers on quick, short or short-medium routes that were the core of the version of the WCO that they ran at USC.

Besides that, I can pick apart his game and shows why he was still lacking in many areas as an NFL prospect.

You may not be aware that I was fine with:
- not bringing Carr back the year that VY, Bush, Mario, and Leinart came out.
- trading Carr, most likely getting at least a 3rd pick - in 05, he still had some value.
- because of the want of a QB, bringing in a vet to start, trading down to draft Leinart and an extra pick for another position of need.

So it wasn't like I said that Leinart was trash.

What I can say is that "Yes, Newton is more advance than Leinart in the passing game as a prospect coming out of college".

Mazlan passing attack is more "vertical oriented" than the WCO at USC.
Leinart doesn't have the arm and therefore, his coaches didn't draw up much of the deep ball for him (35-40 yds and more).
As far as passing is concern, one of the important attributes that Newton has (and Leinart lacking at the time) is to get the ball out on time to the receiver.
The other important attribute, I've already stated: Newton played better under pressure.

I might have to break down a game from each so that people can see that the offense that Newton was in does not belong in the simple category.
Or at least, it involves more complex routes for the receivers than what Leinart saw in the WCO.
 
If you are really trying to tell me that Cam Newton is more advanced at passing than all the other QB's in the draft then I'm not sure what to tell you. Newton is not a polished passer in the least and he has accuracy issues that would make any NFL QB coach cry. He was in a run-first spread offense that concentrates almost exclusively on shotgun sets. He did take a snap under center maybe twice or three times a game and that was it. Bringing up all these comparisons about how VY was better or vice versa is silly as they are two different players, albeit with a very similar skill set.

And talking about Newtons mental aspect after all of the hoopla surrounding his comments at the combine seems awfully silly. Those comments right there scream red flag everywhere they go. It's nice that he was able to play through all of the media scrutiny Auburn was receiving due to all the dirty deals associated with Newton and his father. But would you really draft that guy #1 overall? Really? That seems like such a more colossal blunder than taking VY at #3. One team may draft Newton high (I would think that Chan Gailey would be the coach who could get the most out of that guy), but in no way do I think a guy who has as checkered of a past as Newton with some inacurracy and not too great throwing mechanics as well as a run first mentality is not going to make it in the NFL.

And please don't bring up how awesome Newton was in college, there have been plenty of great college QB's that don't have a translateable game to the NFL. Pretty sure this is where Newton falls.

The mistake that people normally thought of Newton is that he ran a spread offense. (Read my above post.)
That would be Gabbert's cup of tea.
There's nothing wrong with the spread offense anyway; just look at Brady and the Patriots.
Manning and the Colts also employ the spread a lot.

When you say that Newton has accuracy problem, it makes me cringe.
For a guy that is "inaccurate" his completion pct of 66% plus is higher than other guys who throw more short passes (Gabbert, for example, was at 63.37%).
(It was probably his showing at the combine that led you to such a misguided conclusion.)
 
Eventually, the NFL is going to come up with a scheme to fit an athletic QB and its going to revolutionize the game. It almost happened with Micheal Vick in Atlanta. If I remember correctly, the Falcon's didn't have alot of talent on the team until Vick took over and led them to the playoffs.

I thought it was going to happen with VY, but his personality and lack of foresight by the Titans screwed that situation. Still Vince has a 26-13 won loss record, which is pretty good.

If the NFL team that takes Newton develops a system that fits Newton's skill instead of trying to cram him into a set offense like what happened with Vick and Yound, the sky is the limit.

Now don't get me wrong, Newton has got to work hard. I mean, after all this is the NFL were talking about but all indications are that this kid has a pretty good work ethic. The other question always remains is what happens to him after he gets a ton of cash?
 
Eventually, the NFL is going to come up with a scheme to fit an athletic QB and its going to revolutionize the game. It almost happened with Micheal Vick in Atlanta. If I remember correctly, the Falcon's didn't have alot of talent on the team until Vick took over and led them to the playoffs.

I thought it was going to happen with VY, but his personality and lack of foresight by the Titans screwed that situation. Still Vince has a 26-13 won loss record, which is pretty good.

If the NFL team that takes Newton develops a system that fits Newton's skill instead of trying to cram him into a set offense like what happened with Vick and Yound, the sky is the limit.

Now don't get me wrong, Newton has got to work hard. I mean, after all this is the NFL were talking about but all indications are that this kid has a pretty good work ethic. The other question always remains is what happens to him after he gets a ton of cash?

We already know the answer to that one. He picks Auburn.
 
The mistake that people normally thought of Newton is that he ran a spread offense. (Read my above post.)
That would be Gabbert's cup of tea.
There's nothing wrong with the spread offense anyway; just look at Brady and the Patriots.
Manning and the Colts also employ the spread a lot.

When you say that Newton has accuracy problem, it makes me cringe.
For a guy that is "inaccurate" his completion pct of 66% plus is higher than other guys who throw more short passes (Gabbert, for example, was at 63.37%).
(It was probably his showing at the combine that led you to such a misguided conclusion.)

there is a difference between making College throws vs Pro throws into tight windows 15-20 yards in 3 seconds or less. Most of Cam's success to support those numbers came when he extended plays, created time as needed, then delivered when WR came open. its a different thing & that is what he struggled with @ the combine. It was unwise for him to throw @ the combine but that was induced by his media day extravaganza he created in the first place. Suggests to me that he is a true diva which is not something most teams (coaches) really want to deal with regardless how well he looks in practice or in precious game film :shades:
 
I think 76 is right that scheme really helped Lienart.Whoever was plugged into Carrol's offense did well.

Not only that; look at what Leinart had to work with besides Bush and Lendale White:
FB David Kirtman, drafted at #163 in 06 (he contributed in the passing game in 06, including a couple of nice catches in the Rose Bowl)

WR Keary Colbert, drafted at #62 in 04
WR Mike Williams, drafted at #10 in 05
TE Dominique Byrd, drafted at #93 in 06
WR Dwayne Jarret, drafted at #45 in 07
WR Steve Smith, drafted at #51 in 07
TE Fred Davis, drafted at #48 in 08 (he contributed in 06, including the Rose Bowl)
And his O-line:
OT Jacob Rogers, drafted at #52 in 04
OT Winston Justice, drafted at #39 in 06
OG Fred Matua, drafted at #237 in 06
OG Taitusi Lutui, drafted at #41 in 06
C Ryan Kalil, drafted at #59 in 07
OT Sam Baker, drafted at #21 in 07
OG Chilo Rachal, drafted at #39 in 07

BTW, Leinart's completion percentage was 65% in 06 in that WCO
 
there is a difference between making College throws vs Pro throws into tight windows 15-20 yards in 3 seconds or less. Most of Cam's success to support those numbers came when he extended plays, created time as needed, then delivered when WR came open. its a different thing & that is what he struggled with @ the combine. It was unwise for him to throw @ the combine but that was induced by his media day extravaganza he created in the first place. Suggests to me that he is a true diva which is not something most teams (coaches) really want to deal with regardless how well he looks in practice or in precious game film :shades:

I wouldn't say that most of his success came from that.
But at any rate, that is another positive attribute that he possesses.
The ability to extend plays.
 
Eventually, the NFL is going to come up with a scheme to fit an athletic QB and its going to revolutionize the game. It almost happened with Micheal Vick in Atlanta. If I remember correctly, the Falcon's didn't have alot of talent on the team until Vick took over and led them to the playoffs.

I thought it was going to happen with VY, but his personality and lack of foresight by the Titans screwed that situation. Still Vince has a 26-13 won loss record, which is pretty good.

If the NFL team that takes Newton develops a system that fits Newton's skill instead of trying to cram him into a set offense like what happened with Vick and Yound, the sky is the limit.

Now don't get me wrong, Newton has got to work hard. I mean, after all this is the NFL were talking about but all indications are that this kid has a pretty good work ethic. The other question always remains is what happens to him after he gets a ton of cash?

Andy Reid and the Eagles did a pretty good job with Vick this year, I'm sure you'd agree with that.
 
there is a difference between making College throws vs Pro throws into tight windows 15-20 yards in 3 seconds or less. Most of Cam's success to support those numbers came when he extended plays, created time as needed, then delivered when WR came open. its a different thing & that is what he struggled with @ the combine. It was unwise for him to throw @ the combine but that was induced by his media day extravaganza he created in the first place. Suggests to me that he is a true diva which is not something most teams (coaches) really want to deal with regardless how well he looks in practice or in precious game film :shades:

Also, since you claim this point, can you bring up some examples in which you didn't see him being able to do this???

I've seen him done that!
And that's what I mean by getting the ball out on time to the receiver.

This is what his coach had to say:
Q: What are his strengths?
A: "He can throw the football on time. He's very good at that..."
 
Also, since you claim this point, can you bring up some examples in which you didn't see him being able to do this???

I am just going to throw in there is a difference between college and the pros. VY was 65 % in his last year in college and then 51.5% his first year in the pros. Five years in he is 57.9 overall.
 
I am just going to throw in there is a difference between college and the pros. VY was 65 % in his last year in college and then 51.5% his first year in the pros. Five years in he is 57.9 overall.

Leinart was also in the low to mid 50s range in his first 3 years with the Cards.

And I has been giving a lot of reason why!
 
Andy Reid and the Eagles did a pretty good job with Vick this year, I'm sure you'd agree with that.
I'd agree. The Eagles have done the best job of fitting thier system to an athletic QB then either the Titans or Falcons. I'd also say that Vick made more adjustments to his game to fit into the Eagles system now that he's older and had football taken away from him.
 
Former Cowboys personnel man Gil Brandt was a draft guru even before other NFL teams had true draft gurus.

So we take his accrued experience seriously, and his experience says that talent always wins out in the draft. And Brandt thinks Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is the most talented player available.

“It would shock me . . . if he’s not the first player picked,” Brandt told the Forth Worth Star-Telegram on Monday. “If I was drafting and I had Carolina’s [No. 1] pick, I’d feel really good about who I was getting as far as ability. I just hope he realizes how hard he needs to work.”




http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/22/gil-brandt-would-be-shocked-if-cam-newton-isnt-taken-first-overall

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/09/bills-dined-with-cam-newton-who-sets-up-carolina-visit
 
Former Cowboys personnel man Gil Brandt was a draft guru even before other NFL teams had true draft gurus.

So we take his accrued experience seriously, and his experience says that talent always wins out in the draft. And Brandt thinks Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is the most talented player available.

“It would shock me . . . if he’s not the first player picked,” Brandt told the Forth Worth Star-Telegram on Monday. “If I was drafting and I had Carolina’s [No. 1] pick, I’d feel really good about who I was getting as far as ability. I just hope he realizes how hard he needs to work




http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/22/gil-brandt-would-be-shocked-if-cam-newton-isnt-taken-first-overall

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/09/bills-dined-with-cam-newton-who-sets-up-carolina-visit

there in lies the rub & you of all people Brandt should know not to hope.

what I saw against a overwhelmed & undersized Oregon was a QB who lost his legs in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. The promotions, cross country tours & personal appearances finally caught up with him on the media circuit. no thanks, I'm not buying in.
 
Cam Newton has all the physical talents but he seems to be more intent on becoming a media star than on being a star QB. Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick the early years, and VY part 2.
 
there in lies the rub & you of all people Brandt should know not to hope.what I saw against a overwhelmed & undersized Oregon was a QB who lost his legs in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. The promotions, cross country tours & personal appearances finally caught up with him on the media circuit. no thanks, I'm not buying in.

This is the bolded part where Brandt puts his disclaimer, that no matter what god-talent-given you have, you still need to work hard.

What I saw was a guy who went through a lot of difficulties to win a NJCAA championship, then a NCAA championship.
That was a different path from a Matt Leinart or David Carr, who get used to have a silver spoon in his mouth.

Those were facts.

I'm not in the business of judging people or character.
I'm not "predicting" the guy to go first in the draft.
I can only see what I saw on the field:
Newton is the best QB draft prospect this year based on talent and everything that he brings onto the field.
 
there is a difference between making College throws vs Pro throws into tight windows 15-20 yards in 3 seconds or less. Most of Cam's success to support those numbers came when he extended plays, created time as needed, then delivered when WR came open. its a different thing & that is what he struggled with @ the combine. It was unwise for him to throw @ the combine but that was induced by his media day extravaganza he created in the first place. Suggests to me that he is a true diva which is not something most teams (coaches) really want to deal with regardless how well he looks in practice or in precious game film :shades:

Once more, do you have evidence to support this claim that Newton was unable to do this?
 
what I saw against a overwhelmed & undersized Oregon was a QB who lost his legs in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. The promotions, cross country tours & personal appearances finally caught up with him on the media circuit. no thanks, I'm not buying in.

I don't know if you've read the posts that I analyzed the championship game.
It should have been a blow out already in the first half.

Except the Oregon defense was playing very, very well the whole game while the Auburn skill players were dropping a fews.

This is the complete opposite of the Insight Bowl, wherein Gabbert saw a softer zone than the Texans' even when Iowa dropped into a 5-3 zone.
When Gabbert didn't have a huge ocean to drop his rock into, his receivers (including the TE in title only) would bail him out time and again.

You claim that you saw a QB who lost his leg in the 4th, how about you analyze the 4th quarter for us spectator.
(The devil is in the minuscule details, I must forewarn.)
I don't enjoy putting people in a spot, so let me just spring my observations.
When I did the partial analysis in that game, I kinda said I don't need to finish the whole game (it's more or less the same, there was no need);
I kinda concluded that for the whole game, Newton's game was really all you can ask for: hardly any mistakes, no major mistake, timely plays here and there; he did pretty much everything except catching the ball himself.
I honestly do not understand how anybody can find anything near to a fault in his performance the whole game through.
 
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