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Broncos coach Gary Kubiak likely leaving coaching position

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With his family concerned about his health, Gary Kubiak likely is stepping down as the Denver Broncos head coach, multiple league sources told ESPN.

It would leave Denver searching for another head coach just two years after hiring Kubiak, who helped lead the Broncos to a Super Bowl title less than one year ago. But this year has taken a toll on the 55-year-old Kubiak and his family.

Kubiak had to take leave from the Broncos for a week in October and miss a Thursday night game in San Diego due to what the team called a "complex migraine condition." Back in 2013, when Kubiak was coaching the Houston Texans, he suffered a mini-stroke during a game and had to be rushed to the hospital.




http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18386784/denver-broncos-coach-gary-kubiak-likely-stepping-down
 
Wish him luck. This is the perfect opportunity for the broncos to go after shanahan. Or will they promote Phillips? Man if they could keep Phillips (under contract?) And Bring in shanahan that would be scary. If. They could get that offense going look out.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I have no doubt that after a short rest, he will become part of some team's upper personnel department.
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I might take that bet. Depending on how you define "short rest".

I figure he'll pop up as a TV talking head on one of the networks like Cowher, Dungy, or Jimmy Johnson.
 
ObsiWan said:
I might take that bet. Depending on how you define "short rest".

I figure he'll pop up as a TV talking head on one of the networks like Cowher, Dungy, or Jimmy Johnson.
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You could be right...........we'll have to wait to find out. The one thing that goes against that is that there is still significant travel involved with that type of job.
 
Having suffered through a few Mini strokes myself it's fairly
easy to see why? stepping down is the right choice, Wishing
him health an happiness in whatever life has for him next
 
This wasn't totally shocking, but something just didn't smell right to me.

Rumor is that Elway got back to his shenanigans and started putting to much pressure on Gary. Elway wanted certain staff members fired and him and Gary had a hard time with that is what is being leaked. This may be more about Elway meddling some more and driving Gary out of there. Elway is another Jerry Jones, and a lot of people haven't seemed to realize how bad he is. John Fox had no business being fired when we was.
 
infantrycak said:
You realize they won the SB right? John Fox couldn't get it done with Manning setting records. Kubiak did it with Os and a gimp Manning.
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Yes, but Elway thinks that stuff is because of him. He built that team. Fox had success before Kubiak ever got there. Elway wants things done his way, and he doesn't let up. That is why he fired Fox. He wanted Fox to implement changes that Fox resisted. That got Fox canned when it shouldn't have, and Elway brought in Kubiak which seemed like a perfect match considering their history. They got a SB, and here we are again where Kubiak is having health problems and we start hearing reports that Elway was meddling again and friction took place. Elway is very much like Jerry, but he actually knows football really well. I don't know if I'd want to be the next HC over there. Not after seeing Kubiak retiring after just two years and a SB. I don't think we've seen the last of Kubes.

Here is an article mentioning it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...hing-to-quell-rumors-of-possible-resignation/
 
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Just saying, as much as you hate to do it, give Kubiak a little credit. It worked. John Fox had 55 TD Manning. Kubiak had barely walk on the field Manning and Owen Daniels who was again strangely wide open. Have you seen a TE wide open like Kubiak draws up? Slow guy and nobody on screen with him. And apparently he can teach a play fake unlike our current coach. What part of our offense operates better?
 
Texecutioner said:
Yes, but Elway thinks that stuff is because of him. He built that team. Fox had success before Kubiak ever got there. Elway wants things done his way, and he doesn't let up. That is why he fired Fox. He wanted Fox to implement changes that Fox resisted. That got Fox canned when it shouldn't have, and Elway brought in Kubiak which seemed like a perfect match considering their history. They got a SB, and here we are again where Kubiak is having health problems and we start hearing reports that Elway was meddling again and friction took place. Elway is very much like Jerry, but he actually knows football really well. I don't know if I'd want to be the next HC over there. Not after seeing Kubiak retiring after just two years and a SB. I don't think we've seen the last of Kubes.

Here is an article mentioning it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...hing-to-quell-rumors-of-possible-resignation/
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I don't see anything in the article about Kubiak coming back and the name John Elway doesn't even appear. Sooooo what are you talking about? Did you post the right link?
 
paycheck71 said:
All the best to Gary.

Baby Shanny to take over in Denver?
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Yep. Elway wants to keep the current staff and Shanny fits the mold. Same blocking scheme and basically the same playbook as his dad and Kubiak use.

I could see Romo in Denver, as well. If he can stay healthy and that defense stays together, they could make some noise again in 2017.
 
Double Barrel said:
Yep. Elway wants to keep the current staff and Shanny fits the mold. Same blocking scheme and basically the same playbook as his dad and Kubiak use.

I could see Romo in Denver, as well. If he can stay healthy and that defense stays together, they could make some noise again in 2017.
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I read somewhere that Elway's wanting to change some of the staff contributed to Kubiak's retirement? I think Elway wants Dennison replaced and maybe the OL coach
 
ObsiWan said:
I don't see anything in the article about Kubiak coming back and the name John Elway doesn't even appear. Sooooo what are you talking about? Did you post the right link?
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Read it again. It mentions that he was pressured to get rid of a staff member that he didn't want to let go. Google, and you can find other reports about it.

I didn't say Kubiak was coming back for sure. I said I don't think we've seen the last of him which is me saying that he likely at some point regroups once his health is more consistent and comes back for another job situation where he doesn't have an overbearing GM looking over his shoulder and trying to tell him how to coach. Elway has had that reputation, and he Elway demands to win. Kubiak and Elway together seemed like it would work nicely for Elway since Kubiak is pretty passive, and already runs a familiar system that Elway knows and he knew Kubiak really well. Elway probably thought he could influence Kubiak to do what he wanted a lot easier, and Kubiak probably thought that Elway wouldn't be as controlling with him considering their history. The fact that Kubiak's health problems reoccured again this season down the stretch when they were barely hanging onto a playoff spot and teammates were going at each other in the locker room probably put an immense amount of pressure on Kubiak again, and he felt that it wasn't worth coaching for this franchise any longer especially when he had to let go of staff members that he didn't feel deserved it.
 
infantrycak said:
Just saying, as much as you hate to do it, give Kubiak a little credit. It worked. John Fox had 55 TD Manning. Kubiak had barely walk on the field Manning and Owen Daniels who was again strangely wide open. Have you seen a TE wide open like Kubiak draws up? Slow guy and nobody on screen with him. And apparently he can teach a play fake unlike our current coach. What part of our offense operates better?
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How do you know that Fox couldn't get it done? He got fired after losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs in a close game when Manning was playing awful. The year before he had been in the SB and lost to a team that almost won back to back SB's. I'll never understand it when people diminish a coach or a player for losing a SB game when it is so difficult to even make it there. Fox had already almost won a SB in Carolina as well, so he had a strong history of successful coaching on two regimes. Elway fired Fox, for basically the same reasons. Elway meddled and tried to force FOx to do things as a coach that he didn't want to do. Elway canned him over that and a lot of people criticized that move. Kubiak and Wade came in to one of the best teams ever on paper, and they got it done. Good for them. I wasn't addressing KUbiak's coaching abilities in this thread or how satisfactory he has been as a HC there. My comments were more about Elway and his style as a GM. For the record, if the rumors are true which I'm fairly certain they are I don't think Kubiak was treated all that fairly and respected enough by Elway the same way that Fox wasn't. This is becoming a pattern with Elway, and he'll ultimately get a bad reputation for it amongst coaches if he keeps this up. Kubiak is the last guy that most people thought would have these types of disagreements with Elway especially this early in his coaching tenure.
 
JB said:
I read somewhere that Elway's wanting to change some of the staff contributed to Kubiak's retirement? I think Elway wants Dennison replaced and maybe the OL coach
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That makes a lot of sense. One of Kubiak's flaws was his loyalty to his assistants, to the point of being unable to be objective about it when they needed to be replaced for an upgrade.

Elway, on the other hand, is ruthless. Just like when he played QB. I respect it. Wish we had a GM with such vision and success.
 
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Texecutioner said:
Read it again. It mentions that he was pressured to get rid of a staff member that he didn't want to let go. Google, and you can find other reports about it.
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This is the only part that even mentions assistants moving on, and it's just speculation by the author.
On the surface, it’s an ominous quote. If Kubiak, who has had a pair of health issues in recent years including one that caused him to miss a game in October, is all in for 2017, why not say so? Here’s one possible reason: Questions are swirling about possible changes to the coaching staff. Kubiak may have regarded it as unseemly to declare that he’ll definitely be back, given that multiple assistant coaches may not be.
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You took that piece of speculation and grew it into Elway pushing Kubiak out the door. And I say 'speculation' because the author didn't provide any quotes by anyone He didn't even use the worn out "sources close to the situation" B/S they toss out.

 
ObsiWan said:
This is the only part that even mentions assistants moving on, and it's just speculation by the author.
You took that piece of speculation and grew it into Elway pushing Kubiak out the door. And I say 'speculation' because the author didn't provide any quotes by anyone He didn't even use the worn out "sources close to the situation" B/S they toss out.
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Keep your head in the sand then. I don't really care. Elway's reputation for this is well known to anyone that has even a little knowledge of the Denver Broncos management. Willingly naive if you will. All you have to do is use google and it isn't hard to see that the rumors have been swirling and for a guy like Elway who just did this to his last coach, well that shouldn't be harder than figuring out 2+2. I never said that Elway pushed him out and threatened to fire him either, so don't act like I said that. I don't know if Elway would have done that. Kubiak left in a very surprising fashion for what was basically his dream job after just two years and a SB just last season. If that doesn't at the very least even make you speculate that there might have been some friction going on, then you just sound naive and uninformed on Elway's history then. I didn't make any of this up. I just heard it all over the sports news networks and it didn't take anymore then 5 seconds to find it being mentioned on the web. As a person who hates Denver with a passion, I'm not happy about this. I wanted Kubiak to stay put over there.
 
Double Barrel said:
That makes a lot of sense. One of Kubiak's flaws was his loyalty to his assistants, to the point of being unable to be objective about it when they needed to be replaced for an upgrade.

Elway, on the other hand, is ruthless. Just like when he played QB. I respect it. Wish we had a GM with such vision and success.
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I respect Elway as a competitive GM, and for his commitment to winning and all the moves he makes to create these stacked rosters. What he has done over the last 5 or 6 years to add all these studs while managing the cap is the most impressive thing I've seen out of any GM in this decade.

However, I wouldn't say I respect it all at this point. Fox didn't deserve to get fired when he did, and if reports are true (I 100% believe they are) about how he pressured Kubiak so badly so the point that Kubiak likely got stressed into another freakish health upset and now he has stepped down, then I'd have to pull back on that. Jerry Jones does the same kinds of things and gets criticized a lot, and he is the owner of that team. Elway knows what he is doing so that makes it slightly different, but if Elway wants to coach so badly, then why doesn't he just do it? If he wanted Kubiak's assistants gone so badly, I don't think it would have been that bad to wait maybe one more season. Its not like Kubiak did terrible this season. They almost made the playoffs in a stacked division, and it was somewhat expected that their team would struggle some once Manning departed and they had to hunt for a new QB while that defense would probably slowly lose a piece or two here and there.

I think that Elway will find it hard to keep high interest from great coaches if he keeps meddling the way he does. Seems to me that he may need just a "yes man" to coach there. I thought that Kubiak would be about as close to that as it gets in Denver, but even Kubiak couldn't handle it after while.
 
These reports of Kubiak standing his ground on behalf of his underlings is quite silly. Dude has his ideal job. He went through several underlings all over the pitch as a Texan. Some by choice, some by necessity, and some decisions made for him. Losing assistants isn't some new or major concept, these 'leaks' are his vote of confidence in his coaches as he leaves.

As with so many others, CND called this a while back. The stroke ended Kubiak's career. He coached Osweiler and a broken Manning to a ring, and the following season threatened his life again (the 'migraines'). An unhealthy overweight diabetic is par for the course as an NFL coach (vending machine meals and 4 hours sleep is probably not good). Mini-strokes that cant be managed with the lifestyle killing you in week 4 next year ... too direct of a finality to be ignored. Get out while you can (literally).

Edit: that being said, it doesn't really matter. Whatever thoughts any of us have of Kubiak as a coach, we can all agree he was good people and represented the game and the city of Houston admirably. 4 rings or none, he was a special part of the game. Denver probably wants to claim him, but he played in Houston first and was on the sidelines at the Dome long before going mile high. I hope he finds health and happiness in his retirement ... or reassignment.
 
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Scooter said:
These reports of Kubiak standing his ground on behalf of his underlings is quite silly. Dude has his ideal job. He went through several underlings all over the pitch as a Texan. Some by choice, some by necessity, and some decisions made for him. Losing assistants isn't some new or major concept, these 'leaks' are his vote of confidence in his coaches as he leaves.

As with so many others, CND called this a while back. The stroke ended Kubiak's career. He coached Osweiler and a broken Manning to a ring, and the following season threatened his life again (the 'migraines'). An unhealthy overweight diabetic is par for the course as an NFL coach (vending machine meals and 4 hours sleep is probably not good). Mini-strokes that cant be managed with the lifestyle killing you in week 4 next year ... too direct of a finality to be ignored. Get out while you can (literally).

Edit: that being said, it doesn't really matter. Whatever thoughts any of us have of Kubiak as a coach, we can all agree he was good people and represented the game and the city of Houston admirably. 4 rings or none, he was a special part of the game. Denver probably wants to claim him, but he played in Houston first and was on the sidelines at the Dome long before going mile high. I hope he finds health and happiness in his retirement ... or reassignment.
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After a break I predict he will be back. Coaching is in his blood.
 
steelbtexan said:
After a break I predict he will be back. Coaching is in his blood.
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I can't argue the possibility. I think that decision comes from a higher power though ... and her name is Rhonda. He'll be back in the NFL before long I'm sure, but in a safer and more permanent management type role is my guess.
 
Texecutioner said:
I respect Elway as a competitive GM, and for his commitment to winning and all the moves he makes to create these stacked rosters. What he has done over the last 5 or 6 years to add all these studs while managing the cap is the most impressive thing I've seen out of any GM in this decade.

However, I wouldn't say I respect it all at this point. Fox didn't deserve to get fired when he did, and if reports are true (I 100% believe they are) about how he pressured Kubiak so badly so the point that Kubiak likely got stressed into another freakish health upset and now he has stepped down, then I'd have to pull back on that. Jerry Jones does the same kinds of things and gets criticized a lot, and he is the owner of that team. Elway knows what he is doing so that makes it slightly different, but if Elway wants to coach so badly, then why doesn't he just do it? If he wanted Kubiak's assistants gone so badly, I don't think it would have been that bad to wait maybe one more season. Its not like Kubiak did terrible this season. They almost made the playoffs in a stacked division, and it was somewhat expected that their team would struggle some once Manning departed and they had to hunt for a new QB while that defense would probably slowly lose a piece or two here and there.

I think that Elway will find it hard to keep high interest from great coaches if he keeps meddling the way he does. Seems to me that he may need just a "yes man" to coach there. I thought that Kubiak would be about as close to that as it gets in Denver, but even Kubiak couldn't handle it after while.
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I don't care how a GM does it if he can bring a championship to Houston. As Al said, "just win, baby".

It's a results driven business, and at 50 years old, I'm tired as a Houston pro football fan. I'm tired of never having a team since the 1970's that even got close to competing for a championship. I'm tired of rooting for mediocre teams year after year. So I do not care what kind of person a GM is if they can deliver the goods at least once in my lifetime.

I think Kubiak said it in his press conference. The demands of the job, both those put on him by himself and no doubt by someone like Elway, are just too much for his health to handle. I personally think he's done for good as a pro HC. I could see him just enjoying life with his family, or maybe being a consultant. I don't see him in the media, but maybe he does that, too. Who knows?

As far as Elway, I think he'll always be able to land someone for the HC gig. With his success already and penchant for putting together a roster full of talent, I would not be surprised if someone like baby Shanny grabs it up.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't care how a GM does it if he can bring a championship to Houston. As Al said, "just win, baby".

It's a results driven business, and at 50 years old, I'm tired as a Houston pro football fan. I'm tired of never having a team since the 1970's that even got close to competing for a championship. I'm tired of rooting for mediocre teams year after year. So I do not care what kind of person a GM is if they can deliver the goods at least once in my lifetime.

I think Kubiak said it in his press conference. The demands of the job, both those put on him by himself and no doubt by someone like Elway, are just too much for his health to handle. I personally think he's done for good as a pro HC. I could see him just enjoying life with his family, or maybe being a consultant. I don't see him in the media, but maybe he does that, too. Who knows?

As far as Elway, I think he'll always be able to land someone for the HC gig. With his success already and penchant for putting together a roster full of talent, I would not be surprised if someone like baby Shanny grabs it up.
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Shanny make sense, but I'm sure he talks to Kubiak and if some of this is true then he might not.

Maybe he will though. Not really sure. Im saying if Elway does this again with a 3rd coach, he might find that guys aren't interested after while. Of course he'll be able to a coach. Just maybe not his pick of the litter if his reputations continues to become a guy that wants to arm chair QB all of his coaches. No HC wants their GM acting that way. Weren't you just criticizing Rick Smith for being that way with OB? Elway knows football, but he has to learn to trust guys to do their jobs.
 
Texecutioner said:
Shanny make sense, but I'm sure he talks to Kubiak and if some of this is true then he might not.

Maybe he will though. Not really sure. Im saying if Elway does this again with a 3rd coach, he might find that guys aren't interested after while. Of course he'll be able to a coach. Just maybe not his pick of the litter if his reputations continues to become a guy that wants to arm chair QB all of his coaches. No HC wants their GM acting that way. Weren't you just criticizing Rick Smith for being that way with OB? Elway knows football, but he has to learn to trust guys to do their jobs.
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I don't really criticize Rick Smith for everything, as much as I comment on the process. One man is not responsible for the Texans (unless you wan to "buck stops here" with McNair). That's why he's not going to be held accountable or responsible. Blame (and praise) is spread out among all of them.

The Texans run their front office more like a boardroom than they do a traditional NFL team (i.e. owner>GM>HC). Most of the time, the head coach answers to his GM. In some cases, like the Texans and Cowboys, the owner is involved with operations and the head coach reports directly to the owner.

I get what you're saying about Elway and do not disagree. He's obviously a demanding boss, and some potential head coaches won't work for a taskmaster, especially if they are experienced like an Andy Reid sort of coach. However, it's a results driven industry, and Elway getting his team to two Super Bowls in his first four years says it all.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't really criticize Rick Smith for everything, as much as I comment on the process. One man is not responsible for the Texans (unless you wan to "buck stops here" with McNair). That's why he's not going to be held accountable or responsible. Blame (and praise) is spread out among all of them.

The Texans run their front office more like a boardroom than they do a traditional NFL team (i.e. owner>GM>HC). Most of the time, the head coach answers to his GM. In some cases, like the Texans and Cowboys, the owner is involved with operations and the head coach reports directly to the owner.

I get what you're saying about Elway and do not disagree. He's obviously a demanding boss, and some potential head coaches won't work for a taskmaster, especially if they are experienced like an Andy Reid sort of coach. However, it's a results driven industry, and Elway getting his team to two Super Bowls in his first four years says it all.
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Yeah, like I said I respect his passion and as you know on this site for years I've said he has performed as the best GM. I laughed at people in here that tried to downplay the success that franchise has had mainly due to his moves and his strong commitment to making that team better and filling holes. Having a 3rd HC within 4 years is not a positive sign though.
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, like I said I respect his passion and as you know on this site for years I've said he has performed as the best GM. I laughed at people in here that tried to downplay the success that franchise has had mainly due to his moves and his strong commitment to making that team better and filling holes. Having a 3rd HC within 4 years is not a positive sign though.
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Yeah, it's not the best of signs, but I think having the second one resign his position due to health issue helps to mitigate that situation. Kubiak being carted off the sideline on a stretcher during a game in Houston shows a history of serious health issues. Time will tell with Elway, though, especially how things eventually work out with his next coach.
 
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