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Double Barrel said:
Yep, I remember the reports about concerns regarding his slight frame, as well. There were also questions about his knees at that time, as well as hand size.

Quick Google search led me to this Vikings fan rant, which is funny but kinda' sad in hindsight: Teddy Bridgewater Has Skinny Knees, and Player Scouting Is Stupid
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Carr Bombed said:
Good find.. I wonder how that fan feels about those scouting reports now
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A contact knee dislocation is a very rare injury. A non-contact knee dislocation tends to be closer to a unicorn sighting. "Skinny knees" may sound like a good explanation for setting up such an occurrence, but there is truly no anatomical basis for this theory. If you were to look for a legitimate predisposing factor, it would most likely be found in an inheritable condition known as Joint Hypermobility Syndrome, a condition that features joints that easily move beyond the normal range expected for that particular joint. You would probably more readily recognize the condition under the name of "double-jointed." This is usually seen in children and in young adults and can involve the fingers, hips, elbows, ankles and knees. The underlying problem appears to be a weakness of the collagen connective tissues, which are the major components of the ligaments. There is a significantly higher incidence of joint dislocation and sprains of the involved joints with this condition. In the case of the knees, these patients must maintain good muscle development/strength in order to minimize/avoid the instability in that joint. It is easy to understand how much more important this is for a football player with all the stresses that are imparted onto his joint. Possibly giving more credence to this possibility is is the fact that he suffered a couple of non-contact ankle sprains at LSU, then was carted of the field his first game as a starter in the NFL with another non-contact ankle sprain. At least something interesting to think about.


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CloakNNNdagger said:
A contact knee dislocation is a very rare injury. A non-contact knee dislocation tends to be closer to a unicorn sighting. "Skinny knees" may sound like a good explanation for setting up such an occurrence, but there is truly no anatomical basis for this theory. If you were to look for a legitimate predisposing factor, it would most likely be found in an inheritable condition known as Joint Hypermobility Syndrome, a condition that features joints that easily move beyond the normal range expected for that particular joint. You would probably more readily recognize the condition under the name of "double-jointed." This is usually seen in children and in young adults and can involve the fingers, hips, elbows, ankles and knees. The underlying problem appears to be a weakness of the collagen connective tissues, which are the major components of the ligaments. There is a significantly higher incidence of joint dislocation and sprains of the involved joints with this condition. In the case of the knees, these patients must maintain good muscle development/strength in order to minimize/avoid the instability in that joint. It is easy to understand how much more important this is for a football player with all the stresses that are imparted onto his joint. Possibly giving more credence to this possibility is is the fact that he suffered a couple of non-contact ankle sprains at LSU, then was carted of the field his first game as a starter with another non-contact ankle sprain. At least something interesting to think about.


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We are now in the fabled deep end of the pool .
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A contact knee dislocation is a very rare injury. A non-contact knee dislocation tends to be closer to a unicorn sighting. "Skinny knees" may sound like a good explanation for setting up such an occurrence, but there is truly no anatomical basis for this theory. If you were to look for a legitimate predisposing factor, it would most likely be found in an inheritable condition known as Joint Hypermobility Syndrome, a condition that features joints that easily move beyond the normal range expected for that particular joint. You would probably more readily recognize the condition under the name of "double-jointed." This is usually seen in children and in young adults and can involve the fingers, hips, elbows, ankles and knees. The underlying problem appears to be a weakness of the collagen connective tissues, which are the major components of the ligaments. There is a significantly higher incidence of joint dislocation and sprains of the involved joints with this condition. In the case of the knees, these patients must maintain good muscle development/strength in order to minimize/avoid the instability in that joint. It is easy to understand how much more important this is for a football player with all the stresses that are imparted onto his joint. Possibly giving more credence to this possibility is is the fact that he suffered a couple of non-contact ankle sprains at LSU, then was carted of the field his first game as a starter in the NFL with another non-contact ankle sprain. At least something interesting to think about.


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ah, man, that's just brutal to read. I feel bad for the kid, but at the same time, I am so glad that we didn't draft him. This seems like an injury that was inevitable if he has the condition that you are talking about.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Hate to bring this up, but Jaylon Smith was a dislocated knee injury.

Full extent of his injury will probably not be known for at least another day. Usually these type of injuries are multiple ligament injuries.........the ACL not uncommonly accompanied by an MCL and/or LCL. What you always worry about in these injuries are nerve damage (especially to the peroneal nerve which causes foot drop) or vascular damage that compromises circulation. If you remember, all initial reports of Jaylon Smith's injury insisted that he had no nerve or vascular injuries. Later, he was found to indeed have suffered significant nerve damage, which to this day has shown no significant improvement. I would wait at least another week to see what will be reported as the final extent of his injuries.
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I bet Vikings coaches were hanging around Texans Talk most of the day waiting for this post and when they read it they despaired.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A contact knee dislocation is a very rare injury. A non-contact knee dislocation tends to be closer to a unicorn sighting. "Skinny knees" may sound like a good explanation for setting up such an occurrence, but there is truly no anatomical basis for this theory. If you were to look for a legitimate predisposing factor, it would most likely be found in an inheritable condition known as Joint Hypermobility Syndrome, a condition that features joints that easily move beyond the normal range expected for that particular joint.
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In lay terms, is this something that could've been predicted or possibly prevented? Teddy's legs and knees became somewhere between a joke and a prognosis during the draft process, but I don't remember anything about being double-jointed. Reviewing a few college highlights he seems to stay quite bent during his drop and delivery, and no noticeable left to right anomaly that I can tell. I'm leaning towards it being as you said 'a unicorn sighting', but folks all over the NFL community seem to be running with an 'I told you so'.
 
Scooter said:
In lay terms, is this something that could've been predicted or possibly prevented? Teddy's legs and knees became somewhere between a joke and a prognosis during the draft process, but I don't remember anything about being double-jointed. Reviewing a few college highlights he seems to stay quite bent during his drop and delivery, and no noticeable left to right anomaly that I can tell. I'm leaning towards it being as you said 'a unicorn sighting', but folks all over the NFL community seem to be running with an 'I told you so'.
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I've seen "skinny knees" and skinny legs on lots of WRs and DBs that are commonly exposed to much more cutting, twisting and contact in one game than Bridgewater would be in an entire season. And yet this type of injury in the non-contact form is rare as hen's teeth (only a handful noted over a couple of decades). As far as being double-jointed, this does not actually probably come up in any routine NFL health questionare or routine exam, and unless grossly evident would not necessarily be entertained or appreciated on the field from an observation standpoint. Some with this syndrome (Joint Hypermobility Syndrome develop from different medical entities/conditions) will have chronic joint pain from childhood. But others can be asymptomatic. In fact, significant numbers will resolve their condition and its accompanying joint laxities as they move further into adulthood. It is well accepted that this syndrome still remains quite underdiagnosed by the medical community. It would be interesting to know if Bridgewater has any specific characteristics of this syndrome (especially since it would be so very important to concentrate on building up the muscles that surround, support and stabilize, and thus protect his affected joints). However, barring that explanation, I would have to put him in the category of "stuff" happens.
 
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Shefter reported that the Viking are sending a 1st round pick and a 2018 4th round pick to the Eagles. He has further characterized that the 2018 4th round pick will turn into a 3rd round pick if the Vikes make the NFC title game this season.....and if they win the SB, it will turn into a 2nd round pick.

No matter what, not getting a QB on only a 1 year contract along with this wholesale give away makes no sense...............unless you are not anticipating the lesser level of his knee dislocation injury and an expected 1 year rehab. I have found it suspicious that the Vikings have been so secretive regarding a torn ACL "and other structural damage." By now they at least have a very good idea how many other major knee ligaments have been ruptured........and the extent of damage to be determined at surgery can only add to the list. It makes me very wary that his injury could be at the higher rather than lower end of severity (so far reported) of his injury, making the prognosis for return a totally different animal. And this does not even account for the many potential complications that may occur as the result of the extensive reconstruction required for multi-structural knee damage.
 
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Vikings Director of Sports Medicine and Head Athletic Trainer Eric Sugarman issued the following statement on Teddy Bridgewater:

Teddy Bridgewater had his left knee surgically repaired yesterday. The procedure was performed by Dr. Dan Cooper at the Carrell Clinic in Dallas, TX. The knee dislocation resulted in Teddy needing a multi-ligament reconstruction. I was able to be present in Dallas, support Teddy and observe the entire procedure. The repair was excellent and gives Teddy every reason to be very optimistic.

Teddy already began the rehab process yesterday, will return to Minnesota to continue on the road to recovery very soon and looks forward to getting back on the field.
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Although the nebulous term "multi-ligament" is used to describe his reconstruction, it is most likely that it refers to the more common scenario of more than 2 ligament involvement. Since no disclaimer was made for the presence of cartilage/meniscus damage, I suspect that this was also likely encountered.
 
It is interesting to note that Bridgewater's surgery was performed the Cowboys team physician Dr. Dan Cooper...............the same surgeon that clipped Andre Johnson's hamstring and said it would allow him to return to pre-injury performance.............the same surgeon who performed Jaylon Smith's multi-ligament knee dislocation surgery on January 17 with the immediate postoperative that "The nerve was healthy and in great condition" and this prognosis for a "full recovery" was excellent..........it turns out that Smith did have nerve damage and to date, 8 months later, nerve function has shown no signs of improvement.

Players are under no obligation to have details of their surgeries released, but if the findings are expected to carry a relatively good prognosis, in most cases you will see the details released in order to bolster the claim. For a dislocated knee, the release of reported "multi-ligament reconstruction" is a given, empiric to the diagnosis of knee dislocation........it is intended to give no further information regarding the injury.
 
I like the "Teddy began rehab ... the same day the surgery was performed". Err, really? So what did he do? Run 5 miles? Do 3 sets of leg presses? Or just wake up from the anesthesia (which is always a good thing just don't pretend he can do real rehab the day of the surgery).
 
Fred said:
I like the "Teddy began rehab ... the same day the surgery was performed". Err, really? So what did he do? Run 5 miles? Do 3 sets of leg presses? Or just wake up from the anesthesia (which is always a good thing just don't pretend he can do real rehab the day of the surgery).
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At best, this would consist of very limited gently passive range of motion.
 
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