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Brian Cushing Is The DROY Hands Down

Vinny said:
It's not real and it is peepee herts stuff. You have to give the NY and West Coastmedia a reason to pay attention to you or you just don't matter. Cushing is a reason. They don't give a crap about us as a mediocre team with nothing to talk about. When Earl was tearing up the league the Oilers were all over the place across the Nation. When DeMeco burst into the scene he was ROY. Andre Johnson gets massive respect around the league. The Texans in general? pfft....they don't matter because they are endlessly mediocre, so the media isn't gonna waste their time talking about a team that draws nobodies interest outside of Houston. The problem with the Texans getting no love falls on the Texans...not the media. They have actually tried to get on the bandwagon at different points this season for instance, but the Texans keep letting them down. Nobody has much interest in this team for a reason, and the reason is we are mediocre.
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I'm sure you saw Sterling Sharpe throw his hands up in frustration the
last time he mentioned the Texans. I believe it was on Playbook, while
they were previewing the Jags game.
 
I think Cushing's overall body of work will win the award for him. Has anyone else filled out the stat sheet like him? Tackles, sacks, INTs, forced fumbles, and a safety. Orakpo and Matthews have more sacks. Matthews also has 3 fumble recoveries (one of which was a brilliant strip of Adrian Peterson). Byrd has 9 INTs.

When it comes down to who is the best COMPLETE rookie to play on the defensive side of the ball. Cushing is hands down the best one.
 
On the nfl.com site, if you sort linebackers by the division, Cushing is the top rated linebacker in the AFC and Ryans is the 7th best.
 
Vinny said:
It's not real and it is peepee herts stuff. You have to give the NY and West Coastmedia a reason to pay attention to you or you just don't matter. Cushing is a reason. They don't give a crap about us as a mediocre team with nothing to talk about. When Earl was tearing up the league the Oilers were all over the place across the Nation. When DeMeco burst into the scene he was ROY. Andre Johnson gets massive respect around the league. The Texans in general? pfft....they don't matter because they are endlessly mediocre, so the media isn't gonna waste their time talking about a team that draws nobodies interest outside of Houston. The problem with the Texans getting no love falls on the Texans...not the media. They have actually tried to get on the bandwagon at different points this season for instance, but the Texans keep letting them down. Nobody has much interest in this team for a reason, and the reason is we are mediocre.
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Yep, everything you said here is true.
 
Thorn said:
On the nfl.com site, if you sort linebackers by the division, Cushing is the top rated linebacker in the AFC and Ryans is the 7th best.
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I think they are just "rating" them by sorting them by total tackles

If you sort by other stats, the orders change.

And as you all know, tackles do not equal a good indicator of LB ability
 
We're all a bit biased on here towards Cushing, and I DO think he's the most COMPLETE player as well, but this vote will be anything but a runaway.

9 picks is a BIG shiny stat for the voters. Playing on a better team than the Texans helps immensely as well.

I HOPE Cushing wins, but it's by no means a lock. If he gets a few more GLOSSY stats like Sacks / Ints / Fumble recoveries, he should lock it up.
 
disaacks3 said:
We're all a bit biased on here towards Cushing, and I DO think he's the most COMPLETE player as well, but this vote will be anything but a runaway.

9 picks is a BIG shiny stat for the voters. Playing on a better team than the Texans helps immensely as well.

I HOPE Cushing wins, but it's by no means a lock. If he gets a few more GLOSSY stats like Sacks / Ints / Fumble recoveries, he should lock it up.
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I dont think that Byrd will bew the biggest challenge. It is Brian Orakpo with his double digit sacks that will be the probable winner if Cush does not get it.
 
This pic has me cracking up!

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I have a feeling that Brian Cushing is not going to win it.

And he will only use that deflated feeling, and use it as motivation to be even better in 2010. He's going to make the Pro Bowl in 2010. Bank on it.
 
disaacks3 said:
We're all a bit biased on here towards Cushing, and I DO think he's the most COMPLETE player as well, but this vote will be anything but a runaway.

9 picks is a BIG shiny stat for the voters. Playing on a better team than the Texans helps immensely as well.

I HOPE Cushing wins, but it's by no means a lock. If he gets a few more GLOSSY stats like Sacks / Ints / Fumble recoveries, he should lock it up.
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I thought the Texans proved they were better than the Bills when they went to Buffalo and beat them 31-10?
 
mussop said:
Not sayin he will win but dont forget about Oher. He is playing LT at a high level.
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Oher will most probably be in the running for OROY with Harvin hurt; but he cannot compete for Defensive Rookie Of the Year.:kingkong:
 
The only way that Cushing loses, is that the voters become enamored with the inflated Sack Totals. Orakpo has been very good, but the other defensive end on the line Andre Carter has like 9 sacks as well. Cushing has done everything well.
 
JB said:
I dont think that Byrd will bew the biggest challenge. It is Brian Orakpo with his double digit sacks that will be the probable winner if Cush does not get it.
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TheRealJoker said:
I thought the Texans proved they were better than the Bills when they went to Buffalo and beat them 31-10?
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I was just using INTs as an example of a GLOSSY Stat, not making an outright prediction as to who I thought would win the award.

Stats that REALLY stand out and impress ther Voters: (in no particular order)

Interceptions, Sacks, Forced fumbles, Fumble Recoveries, TDs, Tackles for loss.

There are simply more rookies playing at a VERY high level than in many years past. I really suspect that a coastal bias and /or vote split will make this a far tighter vote than anyone seems to expect at this point.
 
disaacks3 said:
I was just using INTs as an example of a GLOSSY Stat, not making an outright prediction as to who I thought would win the award.

Stats that REALLY stand out and impress ther Voters: (in no particular order)

Interceptions, Sacks, Forced fumbles, Fumble Recoveries, TDs, Tackles for loss.

There are simply more rookies playing at a VERY high level than in many years past. I really suspect that a coastal bias and /or vote split will make this a far tighter vote than anyone seems to expect at this point.
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I agree with you. I was just pointing out that IMO Byrd will not be one of the top two canidates.
 
Silver Oak said:
gary, please use the edit feature and fix the thread title. starting to give me the creeps when I read it.
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Please foregive me but I don't understand why. It always gives a player an extra edge when he is on a better team for those of you out there who might not think so.
 
Did anyone else just see the NFL network pregame show where they showed a clip of Brian Cushing yelling at one of the Texans on the sidelines? He said something about Deion Branch winning the superbowl MVP and not ducking. You couldn't tell who he was talking to as the camera was behind him. It sounded like he was calling out one of the Texans for not being sufficiently agressive or something.
 
I had it on in the background, but I couldn't make out exactly what he said. Whatever it was, keep up the good work, Brian.

Not really new thread worthy.
 
Hm, seems its going to be a closer race than we thought.

Rookie leading NFL in Interceptions, Matthews improving with every game, Orakpo finishing REALLY strong. Mmmhmm.

Heres to a big finish, get some glossy stats Cush:doot:
 
BuffaloglennTX said:
Did anyone else just see the NFL network pregame show where they showed a clip of Brian Cushing yelling at one of the Texans on the sidelines? He said something about Deion Branch winning the superbowl MVP and not ducking. You couldn't tell who he was talking to as the camera was behind him. It sounded like he was calling out one of the Texans for not being sufficiently agressive or something.
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Cushing was talking about Deon Branch sliding instead of taking the hit.
He was telling someone about "how can a superbowl MVP duck down and not play like a superbowl MVP?"
 
Silver Oak said:
gary, please use the edit feature and fix the thread title. starting to give me the creeps when I read it.
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gary said:
Please foregive me but I don't understand why. It always gives a player an extra edge when he is on a better team for those of you out there who might not think so.
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I think he's talking about B-R-A-I-N vs. B-R-I-A-N.

Zombie nightmares, perhaps?

[edit] - looks like it's been fixed now.
 
sportfan73 said:
when someone like Clay Matthews wins it this year we'll all know the north/east media bias in sports.
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you make it sound like he's not deserving; dude has been filling the void of pass rusher since Kampman went down....& has been doing it well.

It's gonna be a tight race for the award this year. There are 4 really deserving candidates.
 
Mr teX said:
you make it sound like he's not deserving; dude has been filling the void of pass rusher since Kampman went down....& has been doing it well.

It's gonna be a tight race for the award this year. There are 4 really deserving candidates.
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Yup.. Obviously we want Cush to win it, but the other guys have been playing well also.
 
Cush is the only one who has done it all year, it's a one person award, so no, Matthews is not deserving as there is another player clearly having a better year than he is.

People love that sack stat, but Cush is a fairly dominant pass rusher when given the opportunity, it's just that the scheme he is in forces him to be a more well-rounded Linebacker. He's 6th in the league in tackles and has3 picks, 2 FFs, and a safety. I believe Matthews has 1 FF and no picks and only less than 50 tackles on the year.
 
If he gets it, fine. If we doesn't, guess what, he plays for us and not "them". The Texans are the winners no matter what happens.
 
I will say this (semi-objectively)..he seems to be the most well-rounded rookie.

TOP 5 NFL Rookie Stats:
1st - Total Tackles
1st - Safeties
2nd - Forced Fumbles
3rd - Interceptions
5th - Sacks
5th - Passes Defensed

Those are simply AWESOME stats for an OLB.
 
He is the best young linebacker that isn't a 3-4 pass rush specialist in the NFL and that isn't to say that he can't be just that as well. The texans hit the jackpot with him no doubt.
 
sportfan73 said:
Cush is the only one who has done it all year, it's a one person award, so no, Matthews is not deserving as there is another player clearly having a better year than he is.

People love that sack stat, but Cush is a fairly dominant pass rusher when given the opportunity, it's just that the scheme he is in forces him to be a more well-rounded Linebacker. He's 6th in the league in tackles and has3 picks, 2 FFs, and a safety. I believe Matthews has 1 FF and no picks and only less than 50 tackles on the year.
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Ridiculous argument....Anyone remember Morlon Greenwood being at the top of the tackles list every year? Tell u what, go look at the top 10 sackers in the league and see how many of their teams are in the playoffs vs. the top 10 tacklers...yeah.

sacks are game changers, and though cush has been a beast & is very deserving, you can't underscore what matthews or any other deserving candidate.
 
Mr teX said:
Ridiculous argument....Anyone remember Morlon Greenwood being at the top of the tackles list every year? Tell u what, go look at the top 10 sackers in the league and see how many of their teams are in the playoffs vs. the top 10 tacklers...yeah.

sacks are game changers, and though cush has been a beast & is very deserving, you can't underscore what matthews or any other deserving candidate.
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I agree with you but what cushing has done this year has been so impressive. Whenever there is a big situation Cushing steps up big shown with his interception agianst the Bills to wrap it up. Matthews and many others are deserving but i think Cushing is hands down the DROY
 
Ndevine7 said:
I agree with you but what cushing has done this year has been so impressive. Whenever there is a big situation Cushing steps up big shown with his interception agianst the Bills to wrap it up. Matthews and many others are deserving but i think Cushing is hands down the DROY
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I guess my main contention is the "hands down" talk. i would say he's an odds on favorite, but that's only b/c i've seen him week in/out for 15 weeks. I'm sure there are some GB fans out there who feel the same way about matthews as we do about cush, & judging by his stats and from what i've seen of him, he's right up there with cush.
 
El Tejano said:
Byrd would be the only other dude that would be worthy of it, but if memory serves correct Demeco didn't get the award because our team was losing. Our team isn't losing. They aren't winning but they aren't losing.
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IIRC Demeco DID win DROY
 
El Tejano said:
Byrd would be the only other dude that would be worthy of it, but if memory serves correct Demeco didn't get the award because our team was losing. Our team isn't losing. They aren't winning but they aren't losing.
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Clay Matthews has 11 sacks for the Packers. It's hard to argue against any of them. Sure glad Cushing is on our team though
 
TexanSam said:
Clay Matthews has 11 sacks for the Packers. It's hard to argue against any of them. Sure glad Cushing is on our team though
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I wonder how many tackles, passes defensed, and ints Clay Matthews has. Or does he just line up and go to the QB or Running Back every down?
 
El Tejano said:
I wonder how many tackles, passes defensed, and ints Clay Matthews has. Or does he just line up and go to the QB or Running Back every down?
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6 passes defensed to cush's 9...10 sacks, with 47 total tackles, no ints, 1 FF & a TD. But you make it sound like getting sacks is easy or something..there's a reason those kinda guys are coveted.


Dude has done exactly what he did at USC which is exactly why i wanted him over cush; He didn't start the season as a starter mainly b/c he was injured. but the chip on his shoulder & motor kept him making enough plays to the point where Dom couldn't justify keeping him off the field.

He is essentially the upgraded version of Conner Barwin......

In reality, i'd be happy with Cush or Matthews, i'm just glad we got 1 of them.
 
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Mr teX said:
6 passes defensed to cush's 9... but you make it sound like getting sacks is easy or something..there's a reason those kinds guys are coveted.

Dude has done exactly what he did at USC which is exactly why i wanted him over cush; He didn't start the season as a starter mainly b/c he was injured. but the chip on his shoulder & motor kept him making enough plays to the point where Dom couldn't justify keeping him off the field.

In reality, i'd be happy with either guy, i'm just glad we got 1 of them.
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I think it's alot easier when you are attempting that every play. I agree with you though.

If you think about it, the dude that got drafted by Cincy, Ray Maualuga, is doing a good job too. That was just a real good set of LBs at USC.
 
Mr teX said:
6 passes defensed to cush's 9...10 sacks, with 47 total tackles, no ints, 1 FF & a TD. But you make it sound like getting sacks is easy or something..there's a reason those kinda guys are coveted.


Dude has done exactly what he did at USC which is exactly why i wanted him over cush; He didn't start the season as a starter mainly b/c he was injured. but the chip on his shoulder & motor kept him making enough plays to the point where Dom couldn't justify keeping him off the field.

He is essentially the upgraded version of Conner Barwin......

In reality, i'd be happy with Cush or Matthews, i'm just glad we got 1 of them.
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He's got good numbers for a DE/3-4 OLB..... but I don't think it's fair to compare him to either Conner Barwin, or Brian Cushing. Each player is playing different situations, schemes, & systems.

If you look at Defensive stats, Brian Cushing is in the top 10 for total tackles. He is the only outside LB in the top 10. Keith Bullock & Clint Session are the only other 2 OLBs in the top 20. I think that says a lot.

There are 9 other players with as many or more sacks than Clay Matthews. 4 of those 9 are 3-4 OLBs. There's another 6 among players that qualify for the top 20 in sacks.

I'm not taking anything away from Matthews, he's the real deal, he's an impact player, he is a bonafide starter.

But I think Cushings accomplishments are far greater.

I also don't believe you should be able to compare Clay Matthews to Jason Babin & Connor Barwin. Again, totally different players. Clay Matthews, Shawn Merriman, James Harrison, Shaun Phillips, Lamar Woodley, those are the guys you go get to play OLB in a 3-4 defense.

Jason Babin, Connor Barwin.. are not.
 
thunderkyss said:
He's got good numbers for a DE/3-4 OLB..... but I don't think it's fair to compare him to either Conner Barwin, or Brian Cushing. Each player is playing different situations, schemes, & systems.

who cares what scheme & position he plays, you guys are making it seem like its more of the scheme & not his skills & if that were true, every OLB that plays in a 3-4 would have 10 sacks.

If you look at Defensive stats, Brian Cushing is in the top 10 for total tackles. He is the only outside LB in the top 10. Keith Bullock & Clint Session are the only other 2 OLBs in the top 20. I think that says a lot.

Total tackles by itself isn't exactly a great stat to make a case with. All it says is that he made the tackle, not where (behind the LOS or 10 yds down the field?) he made it. Again, Morlon Greenwood anyone? 2nd, i don't think it really matter what lb position he plays especially since Cush plays for a d-coordinator who has blitzed more than the norm. In theory, wouldn't this mean that Cush gets more sack opportunites?

There are 9 other players with as many or more sacks than Clay Matthews. 4 of those 9 are 3-4 OLBs. There's another 6 among players that qualify for the top 20 in sacks.

What does this matter any? You also forgot to mention that he is 1 of only 2 rookies in the top 10 in sacks.

I'm not taking anything away from Matthews, he's the real deal, he's an impact player, he is a bonafide starter.

But I think Cushings accomplishments are far greater.

I can't really see how "far" greater they are..Cush is a beast & i've been pleasantly surprised with him, but as i said earlier, there's a reason pass rushers are far more coveted than just having a great lb.

I also don't believe you should be able to compare Clay Matthews to Jason Babin & Connor Barwin. Again, totally different players. Clay Matthews, Shawn Merriman, James Harrison, Shaun Phillips, Lamar Woodley, those are the guys you go get to play OLB in a 3-4 defense.

They're only different players in the sense that 1 has produced at a pretty high level & the other 2 have not. Other than that, they are nearly identical in what their respective coaches drafted them for. Athletic guys who can run & are versatile enough to rush the passer either with their hand in the dirt, or standing. The scheme is relatively unimportant from that standpoint.
Jason Babin, Connor Barwin.. are not.
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I cannot believe you guys are downplaying a guy who's notched 10 sacks. Lord only knows what our defense could be if we could get a guy opposite mario who could put up those numbers.
 
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