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Book for Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State

Chris

Chris

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If you think that Bill O'Brien is going to draft his QB protege from Penn State, y'all can rest easy cause it is not going to happen. Hackenburg is going somewhere like to the Chicago Bears. The perfect QB for this team and this offense is Connor Cook QB from Michigan State.
 
I like both of them .... How bout we fire OB , hire Baby Shanny and let him pick between the two ?!
 
OB's offense thrives on the QB getting the ball out quick and accurately.

Cook has a career 58% completion percentage in college. Completion percentages get worse when you move up a level, not better. He protects the football, I'll give him that, but he has game manager written all over him.
 
Goff hits guys on the run like a champ. Goff carries that team. Their schedule is getting tougher and we will see what he's made of.
 
WolverineFan said:
OB's offense thrives on the QB getting the ball out quick and accurately.

Cook has a career 58% completion percentage in college. Completion percentages get worse when you move up a level, not better. He protects the football, I'll give him that, but he has game manager written all over him.
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Brady, Manning, Ryan, and Brees all have better pro completion percentages than college.

I'm not making some huge case for Cook, just saying.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Brady, Manning, Ryan, and Brees all have better pro completion percentages than college.

I'm not making some huge case for Cook, just saying.
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I should have said they tend to get worse instead of outright declaring they do get worse. However, those 4 guys are also top 10 QB's in the NFL today. Pull up the stats for every QB drafted in the last 5 years and I'd be willing to bet the majority of them are completing less of their passes at the NFL level.

Also, the game was completely different when Manning & Brady were in college. The modern passing era didn't hit stride until they were already in the NFL. 15 years ago the benchmark was 60% completions. Nowadays it's more toward 65%. Ryan and Brees were both good players at small level BCS schools and had very little talent around them. They also completed 60% of their passes in college.

Cook plays at a school that is routinely putting a RB, WR, and OL into the draft every single year yet his numbers still aren't all that impressive if you dig into them.

His career against ranked teams...
56.3%
16 TD / 9 INT
128.2 QB Rating

His career against unranked teams...
59.8%
41 TD / 7 INT
151.8 QB Rating
 
I' still fuming after the Michigan loss but my God, if we don't draft Cook I'm going to lose it. The passes he was making within one inch windows with his WRs....this guy's going to be really good.
 
I thought Burbridge looked like a better NFL prospect than Cook in the Michigan game. Guy was consistently beating solid press coverage and getting open on nearly every route that he ran.
 
Cook was impressive in that he was poised, didn't turn the ball over, and threw some darts on back shoulder fades.

I still don't see a star with him though. Michigan didn't put a finger on him until the 4th quarter and once they did Cook had 3 drives to win the game and MSU got 1 first down and turned the ball over twice.
 
WolverineFan said:
Cook was impressive in that he was poised, didn't turn the ball over, and threw some darts on back shoulder fades.

I still don't see a star with him though. Michigan didn't put a finger on him until the 4th quarter and once they did Cook had 3 drives to win the game and MSU got 1 first down and turned the ball over twice.
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I don't see a star in him either but, with time and little help from O'Brien if the Texans take him I think he can be one of the best young QBs in the league once he's drafted
 
Chris said:
I don't see a star in him either but, with time and little help from O'Brien if the Texans take him I think he can be one of the best young QBs in the league once he's drafted
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I think getting little help from O'Brien is the part we're all worried about ...





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People keep complaining about Obrien not being a QB guru. At the end of the day a bad player is a bad player. Hoyer hasn't kept a job because of it. Mallet is too immature..
 
After watching Cook against Indiana today, I'm ready to admit he's rising above the rest in my opinion. He is constantly under duress and still completing throws to tight windows at a variety of speeds.

He is skipping a few throws, but usually because the defense has jumped the routes. He's better than his numbers which aren't bad.

Indiana's Sudfeld looks like he will be good, but needs more seasoning to not throw it up for grabs when under pressure. He's worse than his numbers now.
 
Marshall said:
After watching Cook against Indiana today, I'm ready to admit he's rising above the rest in my opinion. He is constantly under duress and still completing throws to tight windows at a variety of speeds.

He is skipping a few throws, but usually because the defense has jumped the routes. He's better than his numbers which aren't bad.
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Agreed. He throws off of his back foot more than you want to see, but he makes the throws he has to. The game just finished, and I was a little shocked to see how low his completion rate was. 30/52 is not terrible or anything, but I would like to see him in the 65% range against a pass defense as porous as Indiana's. That said, I thinkyou have to take into account his willingness to throw the ball down the field, as well as to receivers that are not 100% open. All in all, right now, I think Cook is the best QB in the draft. However, I dont see a dominant QB. A franchise QB in the sense that you can, no, will, win games with him under center, but I dont think that Cook will be the one to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Indiana's Sudfeld looks like he will be good, but needs more seasoning to not throw it up for grabs when under pressure. He's worse than his numbers now.
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Disagree here, though. I did not notice him throwing balls up, in fact, my major negative note is that he does not get rid of the ball, and thus takes too many sacks. He is not a mobile QB, that is for sure. Sudfeld wont be dodging sacks like Cook, so he needs to be better feeling pressure and getting rid of it (safely). I feel good about my current grade of Sudfeld as a round 2 or 3 prospect. He has some interesting tools, tools which COULD make him the best QB in the draft... but, like you said, he needs to season.
 
I'm on the Cook bandwagon. MSU's offensive line is beat up beyond belief, their RB's are banged up and Cook just wins games. Best QB MSU has ever had and that includes the one we currently have as our starting QB. 31-3 record, and he steps it up in the biggest games. ((3 losses = The 2 teams in the National Championship last year (Ohio State, and Oregon) and Notre Dame in 2014 when Mark Dantonio put Andrew Maxwell in on the last drive instead of letting Cook try.)

Game Manager is selling him short. You don't win that many games as a starting QB unless your name is AJ McCarron and you're surrounded by 5 star athletes at every position.

Stanford in the Rose Bowl, 300+ yards
Beating Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship game, 300+ yards
Comeback drive vs Baylor. (I'm sure some of you are aware of that game)
Was shredding that "elite" defense of Michigan's.

Some of you won't ever change your opinion and that's fair because I don't think I'm going to change mine. I'm all in on Connor Cook.

I will be rooting for us to win tomorrow but if we want Cook or a top tier QB maybe it's better if we don't. (I don't have the will power to root for my team to lose, I can't physically do it.)
 
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