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Best Trade Down Scenero

beerlover

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Brain racking :hairpull: time to put your best trade down scenero this coming April on file, then we can revisit come draft day & all get a laugh :heh:

Here is one possiblity. IMO

Texans trade with Dallas (who have two 1st rd. picks) exchange #18 for #29 & pick up Dallas 2nd rd. pick. don't know for sure the rotation on the picks (based on ties) after the 1st rd. but if needed the teams could also swap 3rd picks to even out the deal.

Dallas picks

#18 (900) need the best cb available that drives the trade-up for them.

1a. Mike Jenkins, CB 1b. Reggie Smith, CB 1c. Aqib Talib

#22 (not included in this trade) need a RB I'm not sold on Barber & Julius is probably gone.

1a. Richard Mendenhall, RB 1b. Jonathan Stewart, RB 1c. Felix Jones, RB

#82 (180) Saftey is a concern, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage & penalties. could also address WR if one falls.

3a. Marcus Griffen, DB 3b. Adrian Arrington, WR 3c. Craig Steltz, SS

= 1080

Texans picks

#29 (640) Can address OL who fits ZBS late 1st rd. with depth of class.

1a. Michael Oher, LT 1b. Sam Baker, OT 1c. Chris Williams, OT

#69 (292) The crux of the trade down for the Texans is to have a 2nd rd. pick & get immediate help/upgrade @ RB.

2a. Chris Johnson, RB 2b. Ray Rice, RB 2c. James Davis, RB

#93 (128) Smith/Texans will pay & aquire a CB in FA, they have to because of Duntas situation & you never know in a razor thin draft class @ CB who will be available. if the players listed above (Dallas options) are available & they fail in FA to aquire a CB they may stand pat & take one themselves.

3a. Terrell Thomas, CB 3b. Darnell Terrell, CB 3c. Trae Williams, CB

= 1060

:)
 
Trading down always sounds good but I don't think moving up to #18 is going to make Dallas give up a 2nd rounder with the depth out there this year. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't believe it adds up.

Also, everyone claims Dallas needs RB. Did you guys see Barber the other day?He is their #1 back and has been for 2 years without starting. Julius is gone and they also still have Tyson Thompson, whom many say is as good as Julius despite limited duties late in the season. The problem there is that he has only returned kicks and was inactive late in the season. We will see.

Dallas will go CB but needs WR also since TO and Glenn are old. They have no young stud WRs at this time.
 
I don't think Oher is going to be there at 29. In fact, I'm not so sure he is going to be available at 18 after the combine and his pro day.
 
tulexan said:
I don't think Oher is going to be there at 29. In fact, I'm not so sure he is going to be available at 18 after the combine and his pro day.
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this is all fine & well I'm not arguing the point but did you notice picks 1b. & 1c.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Trading down always sounds good but I don't think moving up to #18 is going to make Dallas give up a 2nd rounder with the depth out there this year. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't believe it adds up.
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numbers are included
 
HoustonFrog said:
Sorry, didn't see them. I still don't think they would do it on a pure depth of this draft standpoint. They are usually ones trying to move down and collect picks.
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I don't disagree with that statement, but you know regardless trade down sceneros will be speculated, I just wanted a thread for people to post their ideal, realistic collective best case sceneros then we can come back @ a latter time & see actually what if any happened :thinking:
 
beerlover said:
Brain racking :hairpull: time to put your best trade down scenero this coming April on file, then we can revisit come draft day & all get a laugh :heh:

Here is one possiblity. IMO

Texans trade with Dallas (who have two 1st rd. picks) exchange #18 for #29 & pick up Dallas 2nd rd. pick. don't know for sure the rotation on the picks (based on ties) after the 1st rd. but if needed the teams could also swap 3rd picks to even out the deal.

Dallas picks

#18 (900) need the best cb available that drives the trade-up for them.

1a. Mike Jenkins, CB 1b. Reggie Smith, CB 1c. Aqib Talib

#22 (not included in this trade) need a RB I'm not sold on Barber & Julius is probably gone.

1a. Richard Mendenhall, RB 1b. Jonathan Stewart, RB 1c. Felix Jones, RB

#82 (180) Saftey is a concern, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage & penalties. could also address WR if one falls.

3a. Marcus Griffen, DB 3b. Adrian Arrington, WR 3c. Craig Steltz, SS

= 1080

Texans picks

#29 (640) Can address OL who fits ZBS late 1st rd. with depth of class.

1a. Michael Oher, LT 1b. Sam Baker, OT 1c. Chris Williams, OT

#69 (292) The crux of the trade down for the Texans is to have a 2nd rd. pick & get immediate help/upgrade @ RB.

2a. Chris Johnson, RB 2b. Ray Rice, RB 2c. James Davis, RB

#93 (128) Smith/Texans will pay & aquire a CB in FA, they have to because of Duntas situation & you never know in a razor thin draft class @ CB who will be available. if the players listed above (Dallas options) are available & they fail in FA to aquire a CB they may stand pat & take one themselves.

3a. Terrell Thomas, CB 3b. Darnell Terrell, CB 3c. Trae Williams, CB

= 1060

:)
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If it pans out that way I'd be happy.
 
To me a best trade down scenario would involve someone within 5 picks below Texans that just have to have that one guy that we might draft ourselves or those teams between the two trading teams. Our trading partner hates to do it but is sold that guy is just what they must have and offer a 2nd round. What I don't know is what teams have two second round selections and what are they.
 
the top cb prospects are on a short list. teams that have a dire need in this area if unsuccessful in free agency will look to then fill via the draft. that is probably the only reason why Dallas would consider trading down, if the guy they really, really want is still on the board @ #18 & they know the Texans might just take him themselves.
 
beerlover said:
Brain racking :hairpull: time to put your best trade down scenero this coming April on file, then we can revisit come draft day & all get a laugh :heh:

Here is one possiblity. IMO

Texans trade with Dallas (who have two 1st rd. picks) exchange #18 for #29 & pick up Dallas 2nd rd. pick. don't know for sure the rotation on the picks (based on ties) after the 1st rd. but if needed the teams could also swap 3rd picks to even out the deal.

Dallas picks

#18 (900) need the best cb available that drives the trade-up for them.

1a. Mike Jenkins, CB 1b. Reggie Smith, CB 1c. Aqib Talib

#22 (not included in this trade) need a RB I'm not sold on Barber & Julius is probably gone.

1a. Richard Mendenhall, RB 1b. Jonathan Stewart, RB 1c. Felix Jones, RB

#82 (180) Saftey is a concern, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage & penalties. could also address WR if one falls.

3a. Marcus Griffen, DB 3b. Adrian Arrington, WR 3c. Craig Steltz, SS

= 1080

Texans picks

#29 (640) Can address OL who fits ZBS late 1st rd. with depth of class.

1a. Michael Oher, LT 1b. Sam Baker, OT 1c. Chris Williams, OT

#69 (292) The crux of the trade down for the Texans is to have a 2nd rd. pick & get immediate help/upgrade @ RB.

2a. Chris Johnson, RB 2b. Ray Rice, RB 2c. James Davis, RB

#93 (128) Smith/Texans will pay & aquire a CB in FA, they have to because of Duntas situation & you never know in a razor thin draft class @ CB who will be available. if the players listed above (Dallas options) are available & they fail in FA to aquire a CB they may stand pat & take one themselves.

3a. Terrell Thomas, CB 3b. Darnell Terrell, CB 3c. Trae Williams, CB

= 1060

:)
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The idea seems plausible but I'm wondering what is it about Barber that you aren't sold on?
 
bah007 said:
The idea seems plausible but I'm wondering what is it about Barber that you aren't sold on?
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you need a fleet of RB's these days & two that compete to start.

Barber has too much movement, in this case wasted motion, maybe its just the hair but I don't get that with Steven Jackson so I don't really think thats it. he seems like a very tough inside runner, who takes on contact & fights for extra yards but to me it seems like he is running in quicksand & not a real threat to break a big one. I would much rather have a true smash mouth runner like Brandon Jacobs then change of pace back with the fast twitch relfex.

but lets don't get sidetracked just because of my opinion. I want to hear some other creative trade down sceneros. if y'all think you can do better lets see it. I'll be waiting.........:pirate:
 
They were one and done for the second year in a row ?

Looks good to me beerlover. If the two RB are still on the board at the eighteen they'd have a shot at moving back.
 
Texas4Some said:
Any big names out there for Offensive Lineman that could come in and be a starter.
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Boy are you behind the curve. It's not a question of are there any. The question is in the '08 draft, how long do you play chicken with the top teired guys befor you're faced with King Dunlap and Heath Benidict's covering your OLT back up spot.

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2008-NFL-Team-Needs

So as a high priority these teams need OTs:
Dolphins , Steelers, K.C., Oakland, Dallas, N.Y. Gaints, Arizona, St. Louis.

O-lineman & second priority OT:
Cincinatti, Houston, Denver, Washington, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Seatlle

Now some of these are gaurd projections....but as you can see there are far more needs than there are high end expect to start in September, prospects

It's going to come down to who blinks first.
 
bah007 said:
The idea seems plausible but I'm wondering what is it about Barber that you aren't sold on?
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This looks real good but if we get a CB in FA, could we bluff Dallas into thinking we will still draft a CB? Also can someone evaluate Jamaal Charles in ZBS? Is he considered a one cut and go or does he bounce and pick a hole? He had 7 fumbles for 4 losses, but size and 4.39 is pretty sweet. If we go LT at 18 and no trade would Charles work in third?
 
That would be pretty sweet. I would even be ok with trading down out of the first round completely if we could pick up 2 second round picks. Here's what day one of the draft could end up looking like for us:

CB/S- Reggie Smith
RB- Jamaal Charles
OT- Tony Hills

Not bad if you ask me.
 
Mr PC said:
That would be pretty sweet. I would even be ok with trading down out of the first round completely if we could pick up 2 second round picks. Here's what day one of the draft could end up looking like for us:

CB/S- Reggie Smith
RB- Jamaal Charles
OT- Tony Hills

Not bad if you ask me.
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No bad at all and the UT fans would love it.
 
Here's a couple of ballsy trades. Both involve trading out of the 1st round all together. In both of these trades, I'm assuming we signed Trufant (CB) & Landon Johnson (OLB) in free agency.

Trade #1

Houston sends the #18 (1st) & #82 (3rd) to Atlanta (1080 pts).

Atlanta trades the #35 (2nd), #50 (2nd), & #67 (3rd) to Houston (1215 pts).

Basically, Houston trades their 1st for 2) 2nds & a swap of 3rd's. I'm not sure why Atlanta would do this. Perhaps for a shot at Mendehall?

Houston selects:

#35) Jeff Otah (OT), Sam Baker (OT), Chris Williams (OT)
#50) Ray Rice (RB)
#67) Steven Justice (C)

Trade #2

Houston sends the #18 (1st) to Buffalo (900 pts).

Buffalo sends #43 (2nd), #72 (3rd), #75 (3rd), & 2nd round pick next year to Houston (1155 pts - assuming a 3rd round pick value this year for the 2nd).

Buffalo gets their WR with their 1st pick & trades up with Houston to get one of the better CB's.

I'm not sure who I'd pick down this low, at this time.
 
With a draft full of stud RBs, I don't know why you trade down away from them, and use a first on one of the crappy tackles in this draft. Outside Long, they are all terrible, and value wise, none of them is worth the pick.

I could see trading down and getting a first round RB and drafting an LT in the 2nd, where they would actually be worth the pick.
 
Hottoddie said:
Here's a couple of ballsy trades. Both involve trading out of the 1st round all together. In both of these trades, I'm assuming we signed Trufant (CB) & Landon Johnson (OLB) in free agency.

Trade #1

Houston sends the #18 (1st) & #82 (3rd) to Atlanta (1080 pts).

Atlanta trades the #35 (2nd), #50 (2nd), & #67 (3rd) to Houston (1215 pts).

Basically, Houston trades their 1st for 2) 2nds & a swap of 3rd's. I'm not sure why Atlanta would do this. Perhaps for a shot at Mendehall?

Houston selects:

#35) Jeff Otah (OT), Sam Baker (OT), Chris Williams (OT)
#50) Ray Rice (RB)
#67) Steven Justice (C)

Trade #2

Houston sends the #18 (1st) to Buffalo (900 pts).

Buffalo sends #43 (2nd), #72 (3rd), #75 (3rd), & 2nd round pick next year to Houston (1155 pts - assuming a 3rd round pick value this year for the 2nd).

Buffalo gets their WR with their 1st pick & trades up with Houston to get one of the better CB's.

I'm not sure who I'd pick down this low, at this time.
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thats what I'm talking about - trade ideas.

I like the Atlanta trade the best. I might just flip the tackle & rb picks however & go for the higher rated or bpa RB left on the board first #35 (Chris Johnson) then a solid zbs tackle #50 Anthony Collins, Kansas. I would be surprised if Otah was still available.
 
beerlover said:
thats what I'm talking about - trade ideas.

I like the Atlanta trade the best. I might just flip the tackle & rb picks however & go for the higher rated or bpa RB left on the board first #35 (Chris Johnson) then a solid zbs tackle #50 Anthony Collins, Kansas. I would be surprised if Otah was still available.
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You sure you want Chris Johnson? He sounds too much like you know who & we don't have a Deuce Mcallister.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/chrisjohnson.html

Strengths:
Extremely fast and explosive...A terror in space...Very quick and elusive...Fantastic receiver with terrific (albeit small) hands...Runs good routes...Decent vision and a good cutback runner...Can really turn the corner...A great natural athlete...A very versatile weapon..Also an outstanding kick returner..Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Lacks the size and bulk that you look for...Not tough or physical...Looks to bounce everything outside and he doesn't offer much as an inside runner..Toughness and durability are issues...Sub par blocker...May be a 'tweener without a true position.

Notes:
Bounced around between running back and wide receiver throughout his college career and could project to either position in the pros...If he stays at running back he will probably have to make his mark as a 3rd down / situational guy and return specialist...Has not yet reached his full potential because he was never afforded the opportunity to concentrate on mastering a single position...A very poor-man's Reggie Bush who can definitely help a team if used correctly...Intriguing prospect.

As for Otah, you're probably right. But, as you know, there's always someone that unexpectedly drops out of the 1st round. I'm just hoping/praying one of the better OT's drops to us.
 
Hottoddie said:
You sure you want Chris Johnson? He sounds too much like you know who & we don't have a Deuce Mcallister.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/chrisjohnson.html

Strengths:
Extremely fast and explosive...A terror in space...Very quick and elusive...Fantastic receiver with terrific (albeit small) hands...Runs good routes...Decent vision and a good cutback runner...Can really turn the corner...A great natural athlete...A very versatile weapon..Also an outstanding kick returner..Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Lacks the size and bulk that you look for...Not tough or physical...Looks to bounce everything outside and he doesn't offer much as an inside runner..Toughness and durability are issues...Sub par blocker...May be a 'tweener without a true position.

Notes:
Bounced around between running back and wide receiver throughout his college career and could project to either position in the pros...If he stays at running back he will probably have to make his mark as a 3rd down / situational guy and return specialist...Has not yet reached his full potential because he was never afforded the opportunity to concentrate on mastering a single position...A very poor-man's Reggie Bush who can definitely help a team if used correctly...Intriguing prospect.

As for Otah, you're probably right. But, as you know, there's always someone that unexpectedly drops out of the 1st round. I'm just hoping/praying one of the better OT's drops to us.
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The thing that I think makes Johnson a better pro RB than "You-Know-Who" is that he was actually able to run up the middle in college, and I guarantee that he didnt have 5 Blue Chip OL paving the way for him.
 
beerlover said:
thats what I'm talking about - trade ideas.

I like the Atlanta trade the best. I might just flip the tackle & rb picks however & go for the higher rated or bpa RB left on the board first #35 (Chris Johnson) then a solid zbs tackle #50 Anthony Collins, Kansas. I would be surprised if Otah was still available.
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I've got a better idea at RB. How about we take a look at Cory Boyd in the 4th or 5th round? He sounds a lot like DD/DW, & he was extremely effective prior to his injuries. Imagine DD with Schaub as the QB.

http://condraft.com/database/southeastern/south-carolina/cory-boyd/index.html


Overview

Boyd was suspended for the entire 2005 season, but came back and established himself as a consistent back for the Gamecocks. He’s got NFL size and speed and power and is one of the better senior backs in the draft.

Strengths

Very solid, physical runner with the power to go between the tackles and run through/over would-be tacklers. He has good quickness to and through the hole and shows good vision to find the lanes. Unusually good receiver, showing good hands and the ability to catch the poorly thrown pass (he’s seen plenty). Boyd is a willing and able blocker in pass protection. Doesn’t go down on first contact and displays good cut-back skills. Would be an ideal back in Denver’s running game. Boyd returned some kicks in 2006. He’s been a durable back and plays through the bumps and bruises.

Weaknesses

Boyd missed the entire 2005 season for a violation of team rules. He doesn’t possess great speed or acceleration and isn’t a threat to break the big run. While he usually shows good form while running, he has the tendency to get too upright.

Projection

If there were no juniors entering the 2008 NFL Draft, Boyd might be a top five RB, but the number of outstanding runners declaring early will push Boyd well into the second day of the draft. He’ll likely hear his name called in the fifth or sixth round.
 
South Carolina hasn't let us down yet. Might as well keep going to that well til it runs dry. Cory Boyd's running style reminds me a lot of Marion Barber although he isn't quite as powerful a runner. The guy is tough to bring down and fights for every yard.
 
Hottoddie said:
You sure you want Chris Johnson? He sounds too much like you know who & we don't have a Deuce Mcallister.
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did you see the Hawaii Bowl game? if not here is a link to the post game recap- http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/24/sports/story01.html

I watched the whole game not because I'm a big fan of the Hawaii Bowl, actually wanted to take a good hard look @ Clady (not impressive but hey it wasn't his fault, Bose States offense does not translate well to the NFL, sorry) anyway this young man impressed me more than any back in any of the bowl games. he does run inside, has good vision & burst. plays with heart, is relentless, has good hands, understands blocking schemes & when he gets into the 2nd level you can kiss him goodby.

We need a early to mid second to have any chance of drafting him (I'm not ready to use our 1st or a 1st on him as of it we'll see how he performs @ the combine. if he posts a reported 4.27 all bets are off).
 
I know the thread is about trades & I offered my opinion, but reviewing the trades posted today I'm thinking Jonathan Stewart (a possible franchise type heavy hitting RB) at 18; Tony Hill in third as LT and Quentin Demps or Marcus Griffin at free safety in fourth is very likely and no trade needed. My concern with trades is the other team has to like our scenario and as many have said on other threads, why would "Dallas or whomever" do that. I believe Smith will get a corner, OLB and probable a low cost big upside RB in free agency. I think he will gamble on McKinney and the back up boys at center this season.
 
Trading down into the 2nd would be sweet. Tony Hills won't be around in the 3rd Round and neither will Jamaal Charles. both those guys would be good value in the 2nd Round with Hills in the early 2nd and Jamaal in the late 2nd.

maybe we can find a way to manufacture a 2nd round pick but I think if a Kenny Phillips or Sam Baker are there at #18, we gotta jump on that and hope someone coveted drops to the 3rd.

I really think Jamaal could be a special back for us.....I am a little biased but if he can fix the fumbling (which is coachable..see Tiki Barber) he could end up the best back in teh draft....and that includes McFadden.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Trading down into the 2nd would be sweet. Tony Hills won't be around in the 3rd Round and neither will Jamaal Charles. both those guys would be good value in the 2nd Round with Hills in the early 2nd and Jamaal in the late 2nd.

maybe we can find a way to manufacture a 2nd round pick but I think if a Kenny Phillips or Sam Baker are there at #18, we gotta jump on that and hope someone coveted drops to the 3rd.

I really think Jamaal could be a special back for us.....I am a little biased but if he can fix the fumbling (which is coachable..see Tiki Barber) he could end up the best back in teh draft....and that includes McFadden.
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Depending on his combine numbers coming off the injury.

I wouldnt go that far about Charles, but I do think that he will be a very special player.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Trading down into the 2nd would be sweet. Tony Hills won't be around in the 3rd Round and neither will Jamaal Charles. both those guys would be good value in the 2nd Round with Hills in the early 2nd and Jamaal in the late 2nd.

maybe we can find a way to manufacture a 2nd round pick but I think if a Kenny Phillips or Sam Baker are there at #18, we gotta jump on that and hope someone coveted drops to the 3rd.

I really think Jamaal could be a special back for us.....I am a little biased but if he can fix the fumbling (which is coachable..see Tiki Barber) he could end up the best back in teh draft....and that includes McFadden.
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Phillips will not be there at 18. Baker might be but Im not convinced he is the answer. Id be happy to draft Clady/Oher but Im not that high on Baker to take him at 18. J. Charles will likely go in the 2nd round. I agree he could be the back we are looking for, game breaking speed and decent power. Hills could possibly last until the third round because the draft is fairly deep with OT this year. Long, Clady, Baker, Otah, Cherilus should definitely go before Hills, possibly others. There should be a decent OT available in the 3rd, whether its Hills or someone else.

The Texans need a defensive back though, which is why I have us taking Smith with our first pick. Since I had us drafting two UT boys (Charles, Hills) I figure we should even it out in the fourth round and draft Cody Wallace, the center from Texas A&M. That would net us a good haul with the first 4 picks.
 
Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
Scenario 1 is we trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): it is possible that Pitt would prefer to go to OT route and get Jeff Otah. If that happens we could likley get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB, Michael Oher, OT(if he is still there). My preference is Michael Oher or Cason because I think we can get a solid RB a little lower.

57(Htown): Anyone ever thought, man you know who needs a friend out there, Meco. How about we get him his friend in Ali Highsmith, OLB right here. Or, if we thought he would be gone, take him at the end of round 1 and maybe a Ray Rice as RB here. Or, how about Anthony Collins as an OTif we go Cason in rd 1? My preference is still Ali Highsmith here.

79(Htown) So now we have added an OT and a stud OLB. How about a RB like Steve Slaton? Not interested? How about Kevin Smith from Cen Fla?

Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!
 
awtysst said:
Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
Scenario 1 is we trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): it is possible that Pitt would prefer to go to OT route and get Jeff Otah. If that happens we could likley get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB, Michael Oher, OT(if he is still there). My preference is Michael Oher or Cason because I think we can get a solid RB a little lower.

57(Htown): Anyone ever thought, man you know who needs a friend out there, Meco. How about we get him his friend in Ali Highsmith, OLB right here. Or, if we thought he would be gone, take him at the end of round 1 and maybe a Ray Rice as RB here. Or, how about Anthony Collins as an OTif we go Cason in rd 1? My preference is still Ali Highsmith here.

79(Htown) So now we have added an OT and a stud OLB. How about a RB like Steve Slaton? Not interested? How about Kevin Smith from Cen Fla?

Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!
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Oher won't be there, he is going back to school.
 
tulexan said:
I would love to have Highsmith on the team. It would be like having two DeMeco's out there
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Highsmith is a WILL right? I don't think Kubes and Smith are looking for Greenwood's replacement just yet. He'd be a good pick-up though. I also like Erin Henderson, (SAM).
 
rollinstone18 said:
Highsmith is a WILL right? I don't think Kubes and Smith are looking for Greenwood's replacement just yet. He'd be a good pick-up though. I also like Erin Henderson, (SAM).
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Wow. I cant believe I forgot to put in Erin henderson as my backup round 2 pick. Thanks.
 
I posted something earlier but did not realize that Jeff Oher was going back to school. So i spent some time thinking and decided to redo my whole approach.



Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be
able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
We trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): It is possible that Pitt would prefer to not go RB becuase it is a deeper draft. If that happens we could likely get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB or jump on Ali Highmsith. Cason is a stud corner who could step into the starting lineup yesterday.

Ali Highsmith is a WILL and can become Meco's new best friend. As I always say, whats better then one Meco? How about 2?! Of course this means that Greenwood is probably out the door and thats not a bad thing.

Preference:No preference all three options are strong.

57(Htown): So, now we have either taken Highsmith or Cason. What do we do here. Well, it depends.We can look at Talib, or Smith, at CB.






Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!
 
awtysst said:
I posted something earlier but did not realize that Jeff Oher was going back to school. So i spent some time thinking and decided to redo my whole approach.



Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be
able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
We trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): It is possible that Pitt would prefer to not go RB becuase it is a deeper draft. If that happens we could likely get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB or jump on Ali Highmsith. Cason is a stud corner who could step into the starting lineup yesterday.

Ali Highsmith is a WILL and can become Meco's new best friend. As I always say, whats better then one Meco? How about 2?! Of course this means that Greenwood is probably out the door and thats not a bad thing.

Preference:No preference all three options are strong.

57(Htown): So, now we have either taken Highsmith or Cason. What do we do here. Well, it depends.We can look at Talib, or Smith, at CB.






Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!
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you get credit for efforting :)

alot of mocks, including my own (early version) have the Seahawks drafting a RB with their 1st pick but after watching that sorry playoff performance their #1 need has to be LG. they've never recovered from losing Steve Hutchinson. So they will most likey not be interested in tradind up, maybe down instead.

teams close to competing for the Super Bowl, who have extra picks & needs that are positions of scarcity in the draft would be the most probable canidates to trade away picks & move up for a player they feel can take them over the top. :shades:
 
If Stewart is there at 18, it would be hard for me to pass. IMO he is a possible franchise type back and there are no franchise LTs that will fall out of top 10. I do think we will select one in later rounds.
 
badboy said:
If Stewart is there at 18, it would be hard for me to pass. IMO he is a possible franchise type back and there are no franchise LTs that will fall out of top 10. I do think we will select one in later rounds.
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I realize this, I'm sure other folks noticed yesterday how effective a true franchise, 1st rd. rb can impact the outcome in big game situations case in point-

Laurence Maroney, NE the 21st selection in 06
25 attempts 122 yards 4.9 avg. per carry one TD

Michael Turner, Chargers the #1 free agent RB this coming off season
17 attempts 65 yards 3.8 avg. per carry

Ryan Grant, GB undrafted, released by Giants
13 attempts 29 yards 2.2 per carry

Brandon Jacobs, NYG 4th rd. pick
21 attempts 67 yards 3.2 per carry

Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG 7th rd. pick
16 attempts 63 yards 3.9 per carry

if you combine both the Giant RB's that = 130 yards 3.5 avg 2 TD's

more likely that latter in regards to the Texans & a reason why the Texans will attempt to find the best trade down scenero. I'm thinking unless there is a cb they love or possibly a tackle @ #18 they trade completly out of the first rd. maybe a team with a couple 2nds like Atlanta.

the Texans trade down #18 (900) & #144 (worth 66 4th rd) for two 2nds via Atlanta #37 (540) #48 (430).

Atlanta selects the top QB & then a tackle to protect his blind side, use the extra 4th rd. pick on a RB. Meanwhile the Texans take best cb available & best rb available or maybe if a 1st rd. quality tackle if he slips out of the 1st rd.
 
Need to amend some changes to the scenero that Houston & Atlanta make such a trade. Feel pretty good about the selections for the Falcons, it would be nice to be in a position to draft a top 5 player & then again another middle 1st rd. pick adding what is sure to be starting material & franchise cornerstones. they could take a tackle first like Jake Long or Ryan Clady then make the trade because Woodson or Brohm are still available @ #18. or they take a QB first, Matt Ryan, & they want to get him some protection & really like one of the top tier prospects like Baker, Otah or Chris Williams before there is a run on them (Washington, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Giants, Chargers, Packers, Cowboys all could grab a tackle).

Houston maintains the bpa approach with both 2nds. would take a look @ any positional players they grade out as having 1st rd. talent (see DeMeco). therefore I failed to mention LB which @ #37 there could very well be another playmaking LB for the Texans defense like Ali Highsmith or Erin Henderson. also could find a run stuffing, space eating DT like Pat Sims Auburn. then with their own 2nd rd. pick returned they would have a choice of some very good RB prospects, maybe even a corner still that could become a starter.
 
I just do not see another team making a trade down partnership with Houston. I think we will select from our first three picks

1st round #18 Stewart if there or a CB if we do not get one in free agency.
3rd round best LT for the ZBS
4th round should be a FS if Demps does not re-sign. I just do not understand a guy being selected as an alternate to pro bowl and getting almost no mention by fans as a starter at that position the next year.

I'm not against a trade just do not see one for day one. Did all see that Pac Man Jones wants to play for Dallas? If that were to happen, there goes the need to trade up to 18 for a CB that I've seen on the MB recently.
 
badboy said:
I just do not see another team making a trade down partnership with Houston. I think we will select from our first three picks

1st round #18 Stewart if there or a CB if we do not get one in free agency.
3rd round best LT for the ZBS
4th round should be a FS if Demps does not re-sign. I just do not understand a guy being selected as an alternate to pro bowl and getting almost no mention by fans as a starter at that position the next year.

I'm not against a trade just do not see one for day one. Did all see that Pac Man Jones wants to play for Dallas? If that were to happen, there goes the need to trade up to 18 for a CB that I've seen on the MB recently.
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You could be well right. However, with the need at tackle...all over the legue... and the limited resource....you may as well wait on the project guys in the fourth and fifth ss select an OT in the third at what will be left on the board. What you are saying with that move is we are living with Salaam as the starter in "08. Also you are saying you will let the guys back up who are alredy signed to the roster.

Hitting a Tony Ugoh in the third would be a shear swing with your eyes closed home run. Gibbs better be a guru...or the Rb the second coming of Erick Dirkerson if your goal is to catch a play off spot. You currently have no depth at the C/G spot.

The FAs better make a monumental leap.

So beerlover just how many day two/FA O-lineman were blocking for the RBs yesterday ?
 
badboy said:
I just do not see another team making a trade down partnership with Houston. I think we will select from our first three picks

1st round #18 Stewart if there or a CB if we do not get one in free agency.
3rd round best LT for the ZBS
4th round should be a FS if Demps does not re-sign. I just do not understand a guy being selected as an alternate to pro bowl and getting almost no mention by fans as a starter at that position the next year.

I'm not against a trade just do not see one for day one. Did all see that Pac Man Jones wants to play for Dallas? If that were to happen, there goes the need to trade up to 18 for a CB that I've seen on the MB recently.
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there is no question about Adam Jones talent on the field, but could'nt the Cowboys get similar cb talent in the 1st without the off field distractions?

do some research on the kid from Troy State (DeMarcus Wares school) Leodis McKelvin. he is ascending talent, electric speed & return abilities combined with better tackling skills. mark my words if he is there @ #18 the Texans will probably not trade down & take him, but you know as well as me that the Texans would still listen to trade down offers.
 
Other than Long and Clady the other LT prospects in this years draft are not worthy of 1st round selection IMO maybe in the 2nd round. :thinking:
 
PHAROAH said:
Other than Long and Clady the other LT prospects in this years draft are not worthy of 1st round selection IMO maybe in the 2nd round. :thinking:
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I would be surprised if there is not a run on them late 1st rd. Sam Baker, Jeff Otah & Chris Williams are all worthy, Gosder Cherilus too, even if he's projected to guard.
 
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