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Ben Tate done for season (Broken Ankle)

Now I'd really like to know how that hit caused so much damage. If there's a broken bone too, I don't think this could be attributed to the idea that he's injury prone.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
MRI, indeed, ending up demonstrating not only ligament tears with separation, but also accompanying fracture.

"Tate suffers two injuries
Second-year running back Ben Tate is undergoing season-ending surgery to repair damage in his ankle and to his fibula. He will be placed on injured reserve."

Tate suffers two injuries
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Really John McClain? 2nd year RB? Not rookie RB? How do you miss something like this?
 
Brisco_County said:
Now I'd really like to know how that hit caused so much damage. If there's a broken bone too, I don't think this could be attributed to the idea that he's injury prone.
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BC, This should explain it. LINK

Edit: That does not make him injury prone........just an unfortunate twist of events (excuse the pun).
 
So after that slipshod report by McClain, I can assume that Tate is fine, right? I mean, the jackhole doesn't get anything else right ....
 
dream_team said:
It's kind of funny how a "Ben Tate injury" thread could lead to Kubiak/Smith/McNair regime sucks.

I think Kubiak haters already have their mind set... nothing will change their minds until he wins a SB. If we signed a vet like LT, instead of draft Tate, and LT got injured yesterday, then the haters would blast "didn't he learn anything from the Ahman Green fiasco?".

Like people have been saying, injuries are a part of the game... and most of the time, they're freak accidents. You can't put blame on Kubiak for Tate's injury.
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winning a Super Bowl? how about not being embarassed in divisional matchups? how about having his teams play with a little passion and purpose? my lack of trust in Kubiak has more to do with the results, or lack thereof, that he has shown. it has nothing to do with where he is from, or whether he is nice guy, or what school he went to, or whether 'good fans' support their team through thick and thin. screw that garbage.

I want wins. I want consistency. I want some freaking passion...and you know what. The team showed some passion and consistency in that preseason game. I thought the team played well and I thought Kubiak and his coaches coached well. Who cares about the 4th Quarter. Yeah, his clock management still sucks worse than just about anyone, but it was just preseason and both coaches didn't want OT. He gets a mulligan on that.

But just don't come to me and talk about being a good fan or how Kubiak is the coach we need to lead us to the championship. That is just mularkey. Kubiak is what he is. A nice guy who knows how to assemble an offense, knows how to get a job by claiming he thinks Carr is a starter, and someone who has very few of the skills needed to be a good head coach. His game time decisions, his clock management, and his propensity to get outcoached on a weekly basis, even by rookie head coaches, is not a good omen for the future.

you do realize we were one Collins fumble away from going 0-6 in the division last year, right?

Tate's injury was not Kubes fault, but them pooh-poohing the idea of a proven veteran running back IS their fault....and now they and all of us fans have to deal with their mistake.

Hopefully everything works out. The defense looked good. Our offense is good. I just hope his bumbling ways and his lacking critical head coaching skills doesn't come back to bite us in the ass....yet again.

I respect some of yall that are very optimistic and pie-in-the-sky thinkers...but don't criticize me for telling the truth and pointing out obvious failures and obvious problems with our direction.

Maybe the light clicks in Kubiak's head finally...maybe..I don't know...but going into Year 5 is probably a bit late because if it hasn't happened yet who really thinks its going to happen now.
 
Texecutioner said:
Man, this sucks. Tate gone for the season. There should be some reasonable talent out there that could help us in some way though.

For the record I thought Slaton looked great in that game until he fumbled. He was fighting for extra yards really nicely and I liked his vision that he had on quite a few carries. The fumbling thing is just nuts though. All I could do is laugh when I saw that.

Hopefully Foster can be everything that he's been advertised as and Slaton can have a bounce back year.
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he looked tentative on the goal line...per usual. you can't run and then turn your back to the contact. that is total punk ass.

then next play he tries to go for it and promptly fumbles...per usual.

sorry to say it, but slaton kinda sucks. you get what you pay for. i don't care how good of a runner he is. if you fumble, you suck. period.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
he looked tentative on the goal line...per usual. you can't run and then turn your back to the contact. that is total punk ass.

then next play he tries to go for it and promptly fumbles...per usual.

sorry to say it, but slaton kinda sucks. you get what you pay for. i don't care how good of a runner he is. if you fumble, you suck. period.
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Yep. Adrian Peterson sucks. Thomas Jones sucks. Curtis Martin sucked. Walter Payton sucked. Shall I go on?
 
JB said:
Yep. Adrian Peterson sucks. Thomas Jones sucks. Curtis Martin sucked. Walter Payton sucked. Shall I go on?
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Slaton fumbles too much and that makes him a pretty sucky RB. Is that better? AP fumbles, sure, but he also makes up for it with his quality of play whereas Slaton does not.

Slaton is an average to below average back that has a fumbling problem. AP is an elite back that has a fumbling problem. There is a difference in my eyes...maybe not in yours and that is fine. Different strokes for different folks. In my opinion (and in Gary's) Steve fumbles entirely too much to be counted on and its going to probably cost him his career soon if he doesnt' fix it. Hopefully we can't get someone in here to shoulder the load because logic tells me Foster can't shoulder the rock alone and JJ and Henry are probably not good enough to get the job done.

Please do not compare Slaton with Payton ever again. That is just wrong on so many levels.

and TB, cmon now...that is almost blasphemy :)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Slaton fumbles too much and that makes him a pretty sucky RB. Is that better? AP fumbles, sure, but he also makes up for it with his quality of play whereas Slaton does not.

Slaton is an average to below average back that has a fumbling problem. AP is an elite back that has a fumbling problem. There is a difference in my eyes...maybe not in yours and that is fine. Different strokes for different folks. In my opinion (and in Gary's) Steve fumbles entirely too much to be counted on and its going to probably cost him his career soon if he doesnt' fix it. Hopefully we can't get someone in here to shoulder the load because logic tells me Foster can't shoulder the rock alone and JJ and Henry are probably not good enough to get the job done.

Please do not compare Slaton with Payton ever again. That is just wrong on so many levels.

and TB, cmon now...that is almost blasphemy :)
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You have to consider that Slaton had one year with outstanding production, and few fumbles. The next year he had lousy production and 7 fumbles, and a severe injury. I am not ready to say he sucks yet, but he is on a shorter leash.

Maybe this year will tell us what we really have.
 
JB said:
You have to consider that Slaton had one year with outstanding production, and few fumbles. The next year he had lousy production and 7 fumbles, and a severe injury. I am not ready to say he sucks yet, but he is on a shorter leash.

Maybe this year will tell us what we really have.
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Exactly. I guess I'm in the minority but I liked what I saw on a few places involving Slaton before the fumble. His stats make it look like he had this awful game but he got stuffed a few times where he had nowhere to go.

I think Slaton still has plenty of game left if he can stay healthy and just manage not to fumble like crazy. He may not ever be a great runner in between the tackles, but he's a guy that could be a hell of a 3rd down change of pace back still in my eyes which is what he was drafted to be any way. I think that Slaton will help this team out plenty this year.
 
I'm just bewildered at the folks who even had slim hopes of Slaton returning to form after neck surgery. NECK SURGERY!?!?

I knew that ball was coming out. Actually, I expected Slaton to be carted off the field sometime this year but it's all the same either way. Slaton needs to stop playing football for the sake of his life.

He promptly shows signs of neck related problems at the goalline and people are STILL hoping that he returns to form?

Lol.
 
Texecutioner said:
Exactly. I guess I'm in the minority but I liked what I saw on a few places involving Slaton before the fumble. His stats make it look like he had this awful game but he got stuffed a few times where he had nowhere to go.

I think Slaton still has plenty of game left if he can stay healthy and just manage not to fumble like crazy. He may not ever be a great runner in between the tackles, but he's a guy that could be a hell of a 3rd down change of pace back still in my eyes which is what he was drafted to be any way. I think that Slaton will help this team out plenty this year.
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I thought he and Henry were the two that had the worst games. Henry didn't show much vision while running the ball. Slaton did fight for yardage, but imo, a RB should never turn his back to the defense while attempting to get the extra yards. Not only does he set himself up for injury, but better chances to have the ball knocked loose. He did this at least 3 times.

The fumble was just a poor choice by Slaton all together. He was crazy if he thought he was going to go up and over that pile.

I like Slaton a lot and wish him all the luck this season. We need him, but he can't continue to hurt this team. If he can't fix it this season I don't see much of a future for him.
 
NitroHonda said:
If Chris Henry makes the team, I will give myself an enema.

I could not have been more disappointed with his performance tonight. There was one block where he ended up getting himself Meyered silly. I DVRed the game and intend to watch it tonight. I will try and get the time frame of that so called block but it was as clear as day.

It was then... that I realized... we need more RBs. Jeremiah Johnson didn't really look that impressive. Very awkward despite his impressive numbers.
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I thought Johnson looked pretty good toting the rock.
 
Anybody see this in the comicle:

"Tate suffers two injuries
Second-year running back Ben Tate is undergoing season-ending surgery to repair damage in his ankle and to his fibula. He will be placed on injured reserve."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7156266.html




Man Tate must have really learned a lot in camp to be a second year RB. Maybe that's why Kubiak was so tough on him.

The Chron can be pretty pittiful sometimes, looks like they need to hire an editor!!!!!
 
Second Honeymoon said:
winning a Super Bowl? how about not being embarassed in divisional matchups? how about having his teams play with a little passion and purpose? my lack of trust in Kubiak has more to do with the results, or lack thereof, that he has shown. it has nothing to do with where he is from, or whether he is nice guy, or what school he went to, or whether 'good fans' support their team through thick and thin. screw that garbage.

I want wins. I want consistency. I want some freaking passion...and you know what. The team showed some passion and consistency in that preseason game. I thought the team played well and I thought Kubiak and his coaches coached well. Who cares about the 4th Quarter. Yeah, his clock management still sucks worse than just about anyone, but it was just preseason and both coaches didn't want OT. He gets a mulligan on that.

But just don't come to me and talk about being a good fan or how Kubiak is the coach we need to lead us to the championship. That is just mularkey. Kubiak is what he is. A nice guy who knows how to assemble an offense, knows how to get a job by claiming he thinks Carr is a starter, and someone who has very few of the skills needed to be a good head coach. His game time decisions, his clock management, and his propensity to get outcoached on a weekly basis, even by rookie head coaches, is not a good omen for the future.

you do realize we were one Collins fumble away from going 0-6 in the division last year, right?

Tate's injury was not Kubes fault, but them pooh-poohing the idea of a proven veteran running back IS their fault....and now they and all of us fans have to deal with their mistake.

Hopefully everything works out. The defense looked good. Our offense is good. I just hope his bumbling ways and his lacking critical head coaching skills doesn't come back to bite us in the ass....yet again.

I respect some of yall that are very optimistic and pie-in-the-sky thinkers...but don't criticize me for telling the truth and pointing out obvious failures and obvious problems with our direction.

Maybe the light clicks in Kubiak's head finally...maybe..I don't know...but going into Year 5 is probably a bit late because if it hasn't happened yet who really thinks its going to happen now.
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I agree with a little of what you said, but it looks like he has built a nasty little defense. I was super stoked at what I saw out of the gates. Also, being optimistic isn't 100% different than telling the truth. There is alot to be optimistic about, there is also stuff to worry about. The "truth" is somewhere in between.

P.S, after Ahman Green, there was no way they were signing an older back.

Texecutioner said:
Exactly. I guess I'm in the minority but I liked what I saw on a few places involving Slaton before the fumble. His stats make it look like he had this awful game but he got stuffed a few times where he had nowhere to go.

I think Slaton still has plenty of game left if he can stay healthy and just manage not to fumble like crazy. He may not ever be a great runner in between the tackles, but he's a guy that could be a hell of a 3rd down change of pace back still in my eyes which is what he was drafted to be any way. I think that Slaton will help this team out plenty this year.
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I agree. He had a few plays where you saw his rookie year. Also showed year 2.
 
NitroHonda said:
He looked very awkward against third stringers. I do not have much expectations out of Jeremiah Johnson. Just another one of our "stashes" that we expect to pan out. Riiight.
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I didn't see any of the awkward. Awkward as in hit holes, saw cut back lanes, and ran hard? That's what I saw. Henry looked more awkward than Johnson.
 
BigBull17 said:
I didn't see any of the awkward. Awkward as in hit holes, saw cut back lanes, and ran hard? That's what I saw. Henry looked more awkward than Johnson.
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I just watched the game again this morning on DVR .... Johnson looked the better of the two imo. Although against the 3rd string defense.
 
NitroHonda said:
I'm just bewildered at the folks who even had slim hopes of Slaton returning to form after neck surgery. NECK SURGERY!?!?

I knew that ball was coming out. Actually, I expected Slaton to be carted off the field sometime this year but it's all the same either way. Slaton needs to stop playing football for the sake of his life.

He promptly shows signs of neck related problems at the goalline and people are STILL hoping that he returns to form?

Lol.
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I agree with what you're saying here.

As another side-note: I thought Henry looked erratic, jumpy, jittery, and wasn't in control of his body out there. He looked like a guy who wanted to bust it big once he touched the ball, but didn't understand that a journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step.

If Westbrook manages to stay healthy for the 9ers, it's going to be hard to swallow that pill. However, it does make one wonder if he's truly healthy or saying whatever it takes to get a deal and just play somewhere. Him saying that he thinks the 9ers is a team challenging for a title is laughable, IMO.
 
GP said:
I agree with what you're saying here.

As another side-note: I thought Henry looked erratic, jumpy, jittery, and wasn't in control of his body out there. He looked like a guy who wanted to bust it big once he touched the ball, but didn't understand that a journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step.

If Westbrook manages to stay healthy for the 9ers, it's going to be hard to swallow that pill. However, it does make one wonder if he's truly healthy or saying whatever it takes to get a deal and just play somewhere. Him saying that he thinks the 9ers is a team challenging for a title is laughable, IMO.
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I dunno. Heard several of the talking heads championing the 49s to take the NFC West crown. It seems plausible to me. If so, is that not a "title"?
 
drs23 said:
I dunno. Heard several of the talking heads championing the 49s to take the NFC West crown. It seems plausible to me. If so, is that not a "title"?
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I would assume, if you're wanting the best chance to get a Super Bowl title, that you'd have 3 or 4 other teams you're interested in.

The Colts would have been a great place for him, IMO. His style suits that offense and you know his pass blocking will help Manning. Plus, he's so dangerous coming out of the backfield as a receiver. He would have been brutal in that offense.

I'm thinking that the 9ers are the only team who was really interested in him enough to sign him. It smells like hype machine, to me. The 9ers needed another body due to Coffee "retiring." Westbrook needed a place to play, but wasn't signed by anybody else.

So that makes me think this was a marriage of convenience and not so much about Westbrook having these grand plans and designs on going to the mighty 49ers. Granted, he's saying all the right things because you have to play the media game, I'm just saying it will be interesting to see if he pans out or if he busts like Ahman Green did here in Houston.

People will say anything to draw that paycheck. They'll say they're healthy. They'll say they think you (the employer) are the best organization on the planet and that they only want to work for the best. Etc., etc.
 
GP said:
I would assume, if you're wanting the best chance to get a Super Bowl title, that you'd have 3 or 4 other teams you're interested in.

The Colts would have been a great place for him, IMO. His style suits that offense and you know his pass blocking will help Manning. Plus, he's so dangerous coming out of the backfield as a receiver. He would have been brutal in that offense.

I'm thinking that the 9ers are the only team who was really interested in him enough to sign him. It smells like hype machine, to me. The 9ers needed another body due to Coffee "retiring." Westbrook needed a place to play, but wasn't signed by anybody else.

So that makes me think this was a marriage of convenience and not so much about Westbrook having these grand plans and designs on going to the mighty 49ers. Granted, he's saying all the right things because you have to play the media game, I'm just saying it will be interesting to see if he pans out or if he busts like Ahman Green did here in Houston.

People will say anything to draw that paycheck. They'll say they're healthy. They'll say they think you (the employer) are the best organization on the planet and that they only want to work for the best. Etc., etc.
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Cool, gotcha.
 
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