"Bears may have found gold in Okoye"

[Errant Hothy]

Maverick has to go near the bottom because the only thing he can do in a dogfit is some made up for Hollywood manuever that if done in real life would result in the pilot being killed by his opponent.

 

[MojoMan]

Hence, if he was "so good" they wouldnt have waived him but get him and started taking offers. When someone is "that good" and doesnt fit your system you dont just release him.

If someone does not fit your system and is not a big-time stud, then yes, you have to release him. What were the Texans going to do, just keep him on the roster, let him sit on the bench and not play? That makes no sense at all.

Okoye just does not have a place in a 3-4 defensive scheme. The Texans had to cut him loose. And the Chicago Bears were smart to wait for the Texans to do that before picking him up.

 

[GP]

Maverick has to go near the bottom because the only thing he can do in a dogfit is some made up for Hollywood manuever that if done in real life would result in the pilot being killed by his opponent.

The flat spin that caused Goose to eject and die was caused by jet wash from ICE MAN's plane when ICE MAN veered off to the right because he couldn't get a kill on Viper.

No jet wash situation means Goose is singing Great Balls of Fire again with his wife and kid in that greasy spoon diner.

Maverick catches a lot of **** for things not his fault.

Watch the movie. I'm going to get 76texan to do some screen shots on it.

 

[Errant Hothy]

The flat spin that caused Goose to eject and die was caused by jet wash from ICE MAN's plane when ICE MAN veered off to the right because he couldn't get a kill on Viper.

No jet wash situation means Goose is singing Great Balls of Fire again with his wife and kid in that greasy spoon diner.

Maverick catches a lot of **** for things not his fault.

Watch the movie. I'm going to get 76texan to do some screen shots on it.

Wingman's responsability to stay out of leads wash, not other way around.

I was refering to the " hit the brakes, and he'll fly right by" bullshit.

 

[GP]

Wingman's responsability to stay out of leads wash, not other way around.

I was refering to the " hit the brakes, and he'll fly right by" bullshit.

Ice Man hung into the fray too long, was costing Mav and Goose the kill. Plus, the commission ruled that Maverick could not have seen the wash and was therefore cleared and reinstated to fly right away with no further delay.

The hitting the brakes thing? Yeah.

Message Board World: Where ANYTHING can be debated.

And you didn't even list Hollywood who had to eject at the end because his plane got hit.

 

[drewmar74]

It goes something like this:

Viper
Jester
Iceman
Goose
Cougar
Merlin
Maverick
Slider

Where does Sundown figure in all of this?

I'm thinking he's below Maverick but above Slider. He can't be above Maverick because he let Maverick punk him out on the flight line.

Wolfman?

 

[drs23]

No, apparently, he put Maverick almost last in the whole thing.

Why are we talking about a 25+ year old movie?

Sunny Beaches! 25 years? C'mon can't be more than 10 or so huh? Where did time go????

 

[The1ApplePie]

Why are we talking about a 25+ year old movie?

And possibly the most (unintentionally?) homoerotic one ever made at that.

Still, it is much more interesting that Amobi Okoye

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Why trade for someone that you believe you can pick up on waivers soon?

Chicago did the smart thing by waiting. And now it looks like they have a player they are happy with. No one should be all that surprised by this.

Depends on if you think anyone else is interested in them.

You can wait for someone to clear waivers and become a street FA but once they become a street FA, they can go wherever they want and they might not want to go to you. If it's a player you really want, then you make the trade to make sure that no one else has a chance. If it's a guy you kinda want or wouldn't mind having, then you wait and see how it shakes out.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Hollywood and Wolfman rank above Macerick on the quality of the "Where'd who go!" line.

Sundown slots between Maverick and Slider.

 

[Wolf]

Hell, Mavericks unibrow should have taken home an Oscar for best actor in an action film

(thanks big screen HD TV for ruining the movie for me)

 

[Playoffs]

Best of luck to him.

We're moving in a different direction --- up.

 

[thunderkyss]

For the purpose of the analogy we are seperating the character of Pete Mitchell aka Maverick from Tom Cruise.

If we didn't Tom Cruise/Maverick would be at the bottom cause Tom Cruise is a crazy, douche bag.

Don't bother, he's got reading comprehension issues.

 

[thunderkyss]

And possibly the most (unintentionally?) homoerotic one ever made at that.

Still, it is much more interesting that Amobi Okoye

 

[Second Honeymoon]

We weren't 32nd in defense..... we were 30th, the same place we were when Kubiak got here.

& Wade was a Denver defensive coach.

32nd rank pass defense. 30th overall?

Phillips has coached just about everywhere, I dont consider him a Denver guy. Nolan had success too. But they have been going bottom of the barrel on DC since Kubes arrival

Picking up Denver def. Assistants wasn't a good idea. Promoting from within a crap def. for Bush wasn't a good idea either. And it didn't take a rocket scientist to know it was a bad idea beforehand.

Team played with passion on defense. People communicating and disguising looks. Getting nice shots on the QB. Happy with change so far.

My negative was Mario. Eyeball test says it's not going to work on edge. Hopefully he/they can find a way for him to make an impact in this 3-4 scheme. If they don't, this will be Marios last year in HTown

 

[Hervoyel]

32nd rank pass defense. 30th overall?

Phillips has coached just about everywhere, I dont consider him a Denver guy. Nolan had success too. But they have been going bottom of the barrel on DC since Kubes arrival

Picking up Denver def. Assistants wasn't a good idea. Promoting from within a crap def. for Bush wasn't a good idea either. And it didn't take a rocket scientist to know it was a bad idea beforehand.

Team played with passion on defense. People communicating and disguising looks. Getting nice shots on the QB. Happy with change so far.

My negative was Mario. Eyeball test says it's not going to work on edge. Hopefully he/they can find a way for him to make an impact in this 3-4 scheme. If they don't, this will be Marios last year in HTown

I agree with that and hopefully he takes a big leap forward here in the next couple of weeks. If he doesn't then it's not an end of the world thing if we have to move him. We get decent value out of it and it's just the price of doing business. When Mario got here we had nothing on that side of the ball (and even less on the other side) so my knee jerk reaction to parting with Mario is "Oh Hell No!" but our defense is a lot more talented than it was then and if he doesn't fit what we're doing it's the best thing for both the team and Mario.

But everyone's hoping it doesn't come to that.

 

[Blake]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7082598-419/how-good-can-amobi-okoye-be-for-the-bears.html

Amobi Okoye looked like a top-10 player in the Bears’ first pre-season game on Saturday night.

The former Houston Texans first-round pick had both of the Bears sacks, and he also had several other pressures.

But remember this: Okoye was facing backups of the Buffalo Bills, a club that went 4-12 last season.

That’s not to dismiss his performance; Okoye should produce like that.

But he’s used to facing very good players, since he has 58 NFL starts under his belt.

How good can Okoye be?

It’s hard to say at this point, since he’s also stood out at Bears training camp. But, again, he’s generally not facing the starting offensive linemen.

But this is a start, and he’s fired up about being a Bear and working with defensive line coach/ defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli.

“I can’t wait until the regular season gets here,” he said. “Being a Bear felt good. Real good.”

Okoye talked about the “trial” of having the Texans tell him that they were shopping him before eventually releasing him altogether.

“It was a trial period for me, but that’s the thing about football,” he said. “Football is like no other sport. When you get knocked down, you have to get back up.

“That’s what you have to do, and that’s why I love the game.”

Okoye, 24, couldn’t be happier to work with Marinelli.

“Man, Rod is a great, great coach. There’s a lot of things I’ve already gathered from him, through the two weeks that I’ve been here,” he said. “I’m glad I have this opportunity.”

But the defense still doesn’t feel natural to him.

“I haven’t even got it down all the way. I was in a system for four years,” he said of the Texans. “I still have old habits with the old system. I would say I’m only probably halfway through, as far as the mentality you have to have to be in this system. I can’t wait until I get it all down.”

This is a damning statement about our ability to coach players if he does end up doing very well in a starting role for the bears. Like the article says, it was against backups so we will see how it goes. I guess he thinks Bill Kollar isnt that great of a dline coach.

 

[gtexan02]

Depends on how you read it. I read it as he fits the Bears system better than ours, and he's trying to be positive so he makes the team

 

[Lucky]

My negative was Mario. Eyeball test says it's not going to work on edge. Hopefully he/they can find a way for him to make an impact in this 3-4 scheme. If they don't, this will be Marios last year in HTown

If Mario doesn't make it, this defense doesn't work. And there will be a lot of people leaving H-town.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7082598-419/how-good-can-amobi-okoye-be-for-the-bears.html


This is a damning statement about our ability to coach players if he does end up doing very well in a starting role for the bears. Like the article says, it was against backups so we will see how it goes. I guess he thinks Bill Kollar isnt that great of a dline coach.

Nah ... we had a certain ex QB that said the same things about the Carolina coaches . Coaching might enhance your game but you won't go from a 4 to a 9 . Over training will get you there that's for sure .

 

[Hervoyel]

If Mario doesn't make it, this defense doesn't work. And there will be a lot of people leaving H-town.

I disagree. I can see a possible future where Mario just doesn't make the transition to a OLB and I don't think that it is necessarily evidence that the defense doesn't work. Maybe he goes back to DE, maybe we trade him for someone else. It could happen.

 

[Lucky]

I disagree. I can see a possible future where Mario just doesn't make the transition to a OLB and I don't think that it is necessarily evidence that the defense doesn't work. Maybe he goes back to DE, maybe we trade him for someone else. It could happen.

Really? Who's going to get to the QB, if not Mario? He's accounted for 38% of the team's sacks over the past 4 seasons. If Williams doesn't get to the QB this season, this defense and this team fails.

Even if Mario does put up good numbers, the team could fail, anyway. I'm not suggesting that Williams is untouchable. But if he does go, it's because the next organization decides to move in another direction.

 

[Norg]

I forgot how big amobi was his arms are like freaking tree trunks

 

[BigBull17]

32nd rank pass defense. 30th overall?

Phillips has coached just about everywhere, I dont consider him a Denver guy. Nolan had success too. But they have been going bottom of the barrel on DC since Kubes arrival

Picking up Denver def. Assistants wasn't a good idea. Promoting from within a crap def. for Bush wasn't a good idea either. And it didn't take a rocket scientist to know it was a bad idea beforehand.

Team played with passion on defense. People communicating and disguising looks. Getting nice shots on the QB. Happy with change so far.

My negative was Mario. Eyeball test says it's not going to work on edge. Hopefully he/they can find a way for him to make an impact in this 3-4 scheme. If they don't, this will be Marios last year in HTown

I think if Mario doesn't work out at OLB he could be a very unique 5 tech. If he played it he would be a guy who pulled double didget sacks. I kind of don't get why they moved him, but I actually trust Wade and co and five them the benefit of a doubt.

Btw, you are spot on about promoting from within on a crap defense. I believe I remember us talking about how Greg Williams and Rob Mirinelli and other much more qualified coordinators and we didn't even interview one.

 

[IDEXAN]

Really? Who's going to get to the QB, if not Mario? He's accounted for 38% of the team's sacks over the past 4 seasons. If Williams doesn't get to the QB this season, this defense and this team fails.

Even if Mario does put up good numbers, the team could fail, anyway. I'm not suggesting that Williams is untouchable. But if he does go, it's because the next organization decides to move in another direction.

Mario had success as a pass-rushing 4-3 DE which doesn't necessarily translate to success as a 3-4 OLB pass-rusher. For a reference, see former GB Packer Aaron Kampman.
I think the Texans had every intention of drafting Missouri's Aldon Smith in April and making him their stud 3-4 OLB opposite Connar Barwin, except they got surprised by the 49ers who beat them to him. In such a scenario they obviously would have had Mario remain as a downlineman in the 3-4.
We've already got an assortment of potential replacements for Mario at OLB,
any of whom could possibly have real success ?

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Mario had success as a pass-rushing 4-3 DE which doesn't necessarily translate to success as a 3-4 OLB pass-rusher. For a reference, see former GB Packer Aaron Kampman.
I think the Texans had every intention of drafting Missouri's Aldon Smith in April and making him their stud 3-4 OLB opposite Connar Barwin, except they got surprised by the 49ers who beat them to him. In such a scenario they obviously would have had Mario remain as a downlineman in the 3-4.
We've already got an assortment of potential replacements for Mario at OLB,
any of whom could possibly have real success ?

To paraphrase something I said in another thread:

Watt -- Cody -- Mario

Barwin -- Demeco -- Cushing -- Reed/Braman

With Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Sharpton, Adibi, and Reed/Braman coming off the bench.

That's a nice little front seven right there.

 

[Rey]

To paraphrase something I said in another thread:

Watt -- Cody -- Mario

Barwin -- Demeco -- Cushing -- Reed/Braman

With Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Sharpton, Adibi, and Reed/Braman coming off the bench.

That's a nice little front seven right there.

I think that would be better than what we are doing right now and I thought that was what we were going to do when we first got wade.

But I do think Mario can play good at the olb position. Going to be interesting watching it all play out.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

To paraphrase something I said in another thread:

Watt -- Cody -- Mario

Barwin -- Demeco -- Cushing -- Reed/Braman

With Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Sharpton, Adibi, and Reed/Braman coming off the bench.

That's a nice little front seven right there.

Yep ... the main thing with that lineup is potential . The bad thing with that lineup is they haven't done it yet .


Mario ... 1st rd
Watt ... 1st rd
Demeco ... 2nd rd
Barwin ... 2nd rd
Cushing ... 1st rd
Reed ... 2nd rd

 

[MojoMan]

Yep ... the main thing with that lineup is potential . The bad thing with that lineup is they haven't done it yet .


Mario ... 1st rd
Watt ... 1st rd
Demeco ... 2nd rd
Barwin ... 2nd rd
Cushing ... 1st rd
Reed ... 2nd rd

Good analysis. And in the secondary:

Jackson ... 1st round
Joseph ... 1st round
Manning ... 2nd round

In any case, that is a pretty good stack of resumes. Now it is time to see them live up to expectations.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Good analysis. And in the secondary:

Jackson ... 1st round
Joseph ... 1st round
Manning ... 2nd round

In any case, that is a pretty good stack of resumes. Now it is time to see them live up to expectations.

Cody was a 2nd with the lions I believe .

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

To paraphrase something I said in another thread:

Watt -- MEAN FAT BOY IN THE MIDDLE -- Mario

Barwin -- Demeco -- Cushing -- Reed/Braman

With Antonio Smith, Earl Mitchell, Cody, Sharpton, Adibi, and Reed/Braman coming off the bench.

That's a nice little front seven right there.

Fixed that.

Barwin I expect to bounce back strong. Demeco and Cushing I have significant reservations.

 

[BSofA04]

Good analysis. And in the secondary:

Jackson ... 1st round
Joseph ... 1st round
Manning ... 2nd round

In any case, that is a pretty good stack of resumes. Now it is time to see them live up to expectations.

Allen.... 1st round
Harris... 2nd round

Of course not all high draft picks work out, but if this defense is anywhere near it's potential, watch out!

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Fixed that.

Barwin I expect to bounce back strong. Demeco and Cushing I have significant reservations.

I'm not going to be surprised if we see a lot of Adibi and Sharpton. I hope they're up to it. I don't think Dobbins is.

 

[GP]

I'm not going to be surprised if we see a lot of Adibi and Sharpton. I hope they're up to it. I don't think Dobbins is.

Dobbins played well vs. Jets. Especially at that 4-minute mark when the Jets have the ball and try to run out the clock.

He knew the situation and went after the gaps to stop the rushing game, which I thought was smart. He knew the Jets would rush the ball and try to run out the clock. Ball snapped on first down, there goes Dobbins shooting an open gap and stuffing the runner.

I don't know that any other of those 3rd string LBs out there would have had the focus and gut instinct to do that. To me, I value that sort of "heads up" play by Dobbins.

Can't put a high enough value on guys who know the game. Especially if Cushing and Ryans miss time out there.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Dobbins played well vs. Jets. Especially at that 4-minute mark when the Jets have the ball and try to run out the clock.

He knew the situation and went after the gaps to stop the rushing game, which I thought was smart. He knew the Jets would rush the ball and try to run out the clock. Ball snapped on first down, there goes Dobbins shooting an open gap and stuffing the runner.

I don't know that any other of those 3rd string LBs out there would have had the focus and gut instinct to do that. To me, I value that sort of "heads up" play by Dobbins.

Can't put a high enough value on guys who know the game. Especially if Cushing and Ryans miss time out there.

Dobbins is OK against the run but he has a tendency to run himself out of the play and he bites on run fakes too quickly and gets out of position in the passing game. At least, that's what I saw in the Jets game.

 

[Rey]

Dobbins played well vs. Jets. Especially at that 4-minute mark when the Jets have the ball and try to run out the clock.

He knew the situation and went after the gaps to stop the rushing game, which I thought was smart. He knew the Jets would rush the ball and try to run out the clock. Ball snapped on first down, there goes Dobbins shooting an open gap and stuffing the runner.

I don't know that any other of those 3rd string LBs out there would have had the focus and gut instinct to do that. To me, I value that sort of "heads up" play by Dobbins.

Can't put a high enough value on guys who know the game. Especially if Cushing and Ryans miss time out there.

I agree.

I think dobbins should make the team, but It's gonna be a close call.

Lots of talented players are going to get cut.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I agree.

I think dobbins should make the team, but It's gonna be a close call.

Lots of talented players are going to get cut.

If we go with 8 LBs, who do we keep and who do we cut:

1. Ryans
2. Cushing
3. Mario
4. Barwin
5. Adibi
6. Sharpton
7. Reed
8. Braman
9. Nading
10. Dobbins
11. Keglar
12. Alexander
13. Friday
14. Ozobucco (sp)

Now, Alexander, Friday, and Cheddar we can probably sneak onto the PS. But... still...

 

[Rey]

If we go with 8 LBs, who do we keep and who do we cut:

1. Ryans
2. Cushing
3. Mario
4. Barwin
5. Adibi
6. Sharpton
7. Reed
8. Braman
9. Nading
10. Dobbins
11. Keglar
12. Alexander
13. Friday
14. Ozobucco (sp)

Now, Alexander, Friday, and Cheddar we can probably sneak onto the PS. But... still...

I would go with 10 lbs.

As of right now my roster would be:

2 qb's
4 rb's
2 fb's
3 te's
5 wr's
8 olinemen

6 d linemen
10 lbs
6 cb's
4 safeties

K
P
Ls

If we had someone else that could long snap that played another position that would be awesome.

And honestly, It may be a morbid curiosity, but I want to see trindon play in this next game or I want him ir'd.

If slaton can perform well in a game I'd have him as the fourth rb. If trindon can produce some great returns he'd be my punt and kick returner. If neither on of those guys did anything, Jean and mahael would make the roster and I'd carry 6 wr's.

If we could nix the long snapper I'd go with another d lineman.