BCS Nightmare

[Wolf]

so it takes too long and interferes with exams?(their excuses)


hmmm I wonder what the division 2 schools do about exams

 

[bah007]

That's another thing, it ticks me off why it's ok for the big time teams in supposed power conferences to schedule cupcakes b/c they play in a tough conference but teams who play in middle teir conferences can't do that or all of a sudden "they haven't played anybody..". Or what's more is, they back out of contracts b/c their is a slight possibility they might get a decent game out of that cupcake & it messes up the "wow" factor of the win, kinda like what Michigan did so they could put app. state on their schedule. I couldn't be more estatic that that happened to them this year.

Not all of these teams in BCS conferences are what you would call NC contenders, examples include the baylors, iowa states kansas & k-states of the CFB community. Instead of 4 probable cupcakes you have at least 2-3 more within your own conference, helping to pad your stats for the rankings.

The only difference is that all those teams could beat Idaho, New Mexico St, Utah St, & La Tech.

If you play in a conference like the WAC, then you have to play top competition in your non-conference games.

If you are LSU, and you play ranked teams 7 times during the season, I dont really care who you play in your non-conference games.

 

[Wolf]

The only difference is that all those teams could beat Idaho, New Mexico St, Utah St, & La Tech.

If you play in a conference like the WAC, then you have to play top competition in your non-conference games.

If you are LSU, and you play ranked teams 7 times during the season, I dont really care who you play in your non-conference games.

agreed

For conversational purpose
like the NFL
That is almost like saying New england( couldn't hang with the AFC south "conference" because of Buffalo,miami and the jets where the afc south has Indy,Jacksonville,Titans and Texans.

yes it is who you play and some take the hard road, but without a playoff (which separates the men from the boys)..it is all speculation.

Teams get hurt because the conference they are in can't get their competition up

 

[LonerATO]

Here's an interesting article that summarizes many of my feelings.

What's it all mean? Utter chaos and uncertainty today, that's what. We now have no less than seven (or could it be as many as eight or nine?) teams with a legitimate argument that they should play for the national championship. Here are the contestants in this glorified beauty contest:

But it won't happen. The financial folks with a vested interest in the present system won't budge, so don't expect an exciting, national championship, I-A football tournament anytime soon. Just because it works incredibly well in Division I-AA makes no difference to these folks. They'll argue it takes too long, it interferes with exams at the schools (it wouldn't have to) or it's just not practical. Whatever. Instead we've got this unprecedented big and ugly mess this season, which can't possibly be resolved to the satisfaction of anybody but two pretty lucky teams and their fan bases.

http://www.spmsportspage.com/published/spmfeatures/bcs-sweepstakes-national-.shtml

I love how they use that it interferes with school considering that 1-AA playoffs end before the end of dec. they just do have bye weeks so it could be done. They say that it would take them into the next school year but with the nt game it does carry into the next semester.

 

[TexanSam]

I love how they use that it interferes with school considering that 1-AA playoffs end before the end of dec. they just do have bye weeks so it could be done. They say that it would take them into the next school year but with the nt game it does carry into the next semester.

I never understood why all the bowl games had to be so long after the season ended? Why is the national championship game 4 weeks after either team has played their final game?

 

[kastofsna]

if ya don't understand history or respect it, you probably won't like the bowls. understandable.

bowls were originally used as a vacation for the players. they were long after the season because they couldn't just fly to Southern California from Michigan or anywhere, they had to take a train, and they wanted to ensure that the fans had plenty of time to get there.

 

[Yankee_In_TX]

Not to mention the fact that Missouri was ranked #1 before they had to play the EXTRA conference title game, while Ohio State doesn't have to play that EXTRA game and has sat at home for 2 weeks and slides in to the 1 hole.

That's a conference problem, not a BCS problem. They should eliminate their conference games in light of the BCS system, or not complain, IMHO.

Ever since the inception of the BCS, I am so glad Notre Dame turned down the Big Ten invite twice (because then we'd have twelve teams and probably a conference championship).

 

[Texan_Bill]

That's a conference problem, not a BCS problem. They should eliminate their conference games in light of the BCS system, or not complain, IMHO.

Wrong... That is 'the' problem with the BCS and thats why the system is flawed. Just the fact that Georgia could be considered for a title shot after not even winning their division (because conference standings do not matter) is ludicrous... In other words, conference championship games 'should' mean something.

 

[Mr teX]

Wrong... That is 'the' problem with the BCS and thats why the system is flawed. Just the fact that Georgia could be considered for a title shot after not even winning their division (because conference standings do not matter) is ludicrous... In other words, conference championship games 'should' mean something.

All year you can predict the top 5 standings. 1 & 2 go down, 3 & 4 move up at least 1 spot. Then the last week of official games 1 & 2 go down, number 3 goes up & number 4 not only doesn't move but loses a spot in the rankings when they've done absolutely nothing to hurt their case, It's a *&^%-ing joke. I'm seriously considering not even watching any of the games this year. Of course it won't hurt much, just my way of screaming "down with the BCS."

 

[HoustonFrog]

if ya don't understand history or respect it, you probably won't like the bowls. understandable.

bowls were originally used as a vacation for the players. they were long after the season because they couldn't just fly to Southern California from Michigan or anywhere, they had to take a train, and they wanted to ensure that the fans had plenty of time to get there.

I think bowls are great but there is an easy way to have a playoff and get rid of the system. There is no way a team like Missouri this year should be passed over. It is a joke.

You could have an 8 team playoff and still rotate the championship game. Lets say the Sugar Bowl is the championship. You could have the Fiesta and Rose as the semifinals and lets say the Cotton, Orange, Gator and Outback as the Quarterfinals. Its all a matter of scheduling over 3 weeks. You could keep the lesser bowls. I mean it isn't hard but the Presidents refuse.

 

[TD]

Not to mention the fact that Missouri was ranked #1 before they had to play the EXTRA conference title game, while Ohio State doesn't have to play that EXTRA game and has sat at home for 2 weeks and slides in to the 1 hole.

Exactly!! What really pisses me off is that OSU and Georgia are both sitting at home at #3 and #4 respectively; #1 and #2 lose; OSU jumps to #1 and Georgia DROPS to #5.

WTF?!?!

 

[kastofsna]

i guess the voters value winning one's conference.

 

[TD]

i guess the voters value winning one's conference.

I guess they do now.

Signed,

The 2003 Oklahoma Sooners

 

[kastofsna]

nice joke, but unfortunately you're wrong, as the voters in 2003 voted Oklahoma 3rd behind LSU and USC, who both won their conference.

 

[TD]

nice joke, but unfortunately you're wrong, as the voters in 2003 voted Oklahoma 3rd behind LSU and USC, who both won their conference.

Not wrong. Oklahoma was voted ahead of Florida State, Miami, Michigan, and several other conference winners. Not even mentioning Kansas State which beat them.

Either conference championships are important or their not.

The argument is simple. Either GA and OSU both move up or Oklahoma and LSU both jump them because of the conference title game victories. To treat them differently is a bus load of crap.

 

[bah007]

Not wrong. Oklahoma was voted ahead of Florida State, Miami, Michigan, and several other conference winners. Not even mentioning Kansas State which beat them.

Either conference championships are important or their not.

The argument is simple. Either GA and OSU both move up or Oklahoma and LSU both jump them because of the conference title game victories. To treat them differently is a bus load of crap.

Well Ohio St did win their conference.

 

[kastofsna]

OSU and LSU moved up because of their conference championships. UGA was deemed not worthy of the title game for not even playing in the conference title game, let alone winning it.

 

[toronto]

OSU and LSU moved up because of their conference championships. UGA was deemed not worthy of the title game for not even playing in the conference title game, let alone winning it.

In the coaches poll, UG Coach Richt voted his team higher than his own conference championship winner. Real smart.

 

[TD]

In the coaches poll, UG Coach Richt voted his team higher than his own conference championship winner. Real smart.

As did virtually every voter prior to the SEC championship. If GA was better before the game it stands to reason they still were after the game. They don't play the same conference schedule so the winning the conference argument is weak and its not like LSU's win over Tennessee was impressive.

As far as Richt, the coaches at Alabama, Connecticut, Texas Tech, and Notre Dame voted GA over LSU. GA played a lot of freshmen and lost early, but came on late. Anybody who's watched the SEC this year knows GA is the better team right now.

If the polls are supposed to be based on the whole season, fine. But if they're voting on the best teams right now, they blew it plain and simple.

 

[bah007]

As did virtually every voter prior to the SEC championship. If GA was better before the game it stands to reason they still were after the game. They don't play the same conference schedule so the winning the conference argument is weak and its not like LSU's win over Tennessee was impressive.

As far as Richt, the coaches at Alabama, Connecticut, Texas Tech, and Notre Dame voted GA over LSU. GA played a lot of freshmen and lost early, but came on late. Anybody who's watched the SEC this year knows GA is the better team right now.

If the polls are supposed to be based on the whole season, fine. But if they're voting on the best teams right now, they blew it plain and simple.

They are. That's why those games aren't called exhibitions.

 

[kastofsna]

obviously the whole season is what matters. which is what separates college football from every other sport. also, the computers only factor the whole season.

 

[TD]

obviously the whole season is what matters. which is what separates college football from every other sport. also, the computers only factor the whole season.

I don't think a good chunk of the voters feel that way. At least voting patterns haven't shown that to be true. Either way, I still say the voting makes no sense. GA was mathematically eliminated from the SEC championship race when they were voted #4. It makes ZERO sense to then say they're not SEC champs so we need to move them down. If it mattered, they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Interesting thing about the computers is that they put VA Tech in title game over OSU by a wide margin. That at least makes sense to me. I don't really have a problem with LSU so much as I do a clearly inferior OSU team who backed in with a weak conference title while the quality teams knocked each other off.

Anyway. The BCS Sucks. If there's not going to be a playoff I wish they'd go back to the old bowl schedule