Babin's transition to DE going well

[El Tejano]

I think Peek coming off the bench with some hunger makes for a great change of pace and probably the better suited for situations in which we need to imply our 3-4 scheme.

 

[BigTimeTexanFan]

I think we're going to see quite a bit of this, and not just involving Peek and Babin. Our defensive line is loaded with players who haven't yet proven themselves to be full-time starters, and to maximize their abilities I'm expecting to see a healthly rotation going on depending on the circumstances. If we are playing for the run, Mario can take LE, Payne and Smith at DT, and Weaver at RE. A normal set might be Babin at LE, Payne and Weaver at DT, and Mario at RE. A passing situation might warrant Peek at LE, Mario and Weaver at DT, and Babin at RE. Pepper in a little N.D. Kalu at end, TJ at DT, and others and you have quite a few options and plenty of bodies to keep everyone fresh or provide depth if needed. I remember Kubiak saying after the draft that when he arrived here we didn't have any clear areas of strength, but after the draft he could say that our defensive line was a strength. I agree with that....if they make good use of the talent at their disposal hopefully we'll see what looks good on paper produce some of that good stuff on the field....

I have been thinking about having both babin and Peek at the ends also for obvious passing situations, but the only thing I would change is maybe having Robair in there instead of Weaver at tackle. I think Robair is a little more explosive off the ball and Weaver is the better run stuffer. Peek-Mario-Robair-Babin. That hopefully equals a great pass rush!

 

[Ibar_Harry]

I have been thinking about having both babin and Peek at the ends also for obvious passing situations, but the only thing I would change is maybe having Robair in there instead of Weaver at tackle. I think Robair is a little more explosive off the ball and Weaver is the better run stuffer. Peek-Mario-Robair-Babin. That hopefully equals a great pass rush!

A lot of healthy rested bodies can equal a great pass rush. Pash rush by committee might be the operational mode of this ball club. When you can throw a lot of rested bodies against tired bodies the results can be disasterous for the offense. You just keep pounding away until they give and then its all over. They often say the war is won in the trenches.

 

[TK_Gamer]

I seriously believe Peeks playing time and how often Mario lines up inside will depend on the health status of Seth Payne, as I believe Payne, Weaver, and Smith will rotate for the 2 DT spots on most downs. if weaver and smith have to pull more of the inside duties due to Paynes fitness, mario will have to rotate inside more and Peek will push babin from the weak side to the strong side. if by some miracle TJ gets his act together, I think peek will see mainly blitz package duty.he is just too out of control in the pass rush to be an every down player at this point, hopefully he can work on that and stop over committing. I describe Peek as an unguided tactical nuke, if he can hit his target he will be deadly hehe.

 

[TexansCM]

Anyone think the 3-4 experiment with Peek and Babin could be very beneficial to mixing up the scheme on an offense. Start with Babin or Peek as a down lineman and shift back into a 3-4 look. Just a thought.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Anyone think the 3-4 experiment with Peek and Babin could be very beneficial to mixing up the scheme on an offense. Start with Babin or Peek as a down lineman and shift back into a 3-4 look. Just a thought.

That will happen. Virtually noone today uses a PURE 4-3 or 3-4 D.

 

[HomeBred_Texan]

Bull rush em. 5 down linemen, 2 linebackers, and 4 defensive backs. Hey, we could even throw the waterboy back there and make him a star.

Babin and Williams on the ends with TJ, Peeks and Weaver in the middle. Kill em guys, Hang em up to dry...

 

[bayoudreamn]

Was just looking over the roster for a post on a different thread, and sorted by position. According to the Texans, we have one DT in Seth Payne, and everyone else is considered a DE. I though this interesting. Obviously, Robaire, TJ and Wever will play inside, but I thought it interesting.

If I were the coach, I wouldn't want the roster to be very helpful to any random person who happened to come to this site, for whatever reason. After all, isn't this when most coaches for most teams are "on vacation"....what else do they have to do with their time

 

[MorKnolle]

I seriously believe Peeks playing time and how often Mario lines up inside will depend on the health status of Seth Payne, as I believe Payne, Weaver, and Smith will rotate for the 2 DT spots on most downs. if weaver and smith have to pull more of the inside duties due to Paynes fitness, mario will have to rotate inside more and Peek will push babin from the weak side to the strong side. if by some miracle TJ gets his act together, I think peek will see mainly blitz package duty.he is just too out of control in the pass rush to be an every down player at this point, hopefully he can work on that and stop over committing. I describe Peek as an unguided tactical nuke, if he can hit his target he will be deadly hehe.

I don't see Mario playing DT at all unless maybe if we are running nickel or dime formations and they have Peek and Babin at DEs, but Mario will be strongside DE anytime we're in a 4-3.

Anyone think the 3-4 experiment with Peek and Babin could be very beneficial to mixing up the scheme on an offense. Start with Babin or Peek as a down lineman and shift back into a 3-4 look. Just a thought.

With Mario, Weaver, and Payne/Robaire in there, you have three guys that are big enough to play 3-4 DLinemen so it would be easy to shift the strongside LB and weakside DE around to more of a 3-4 formation, although for the most part what I saw them doing in practice in that regards is bringing both of those outside guys down on the line to make more of a 5-2 front.

As for the rotation of players on the DLine, it seemed like Payne and Robaire would sub for each other and then TJ or Malone would be the occasional sub for Weaver when/if he needs one. From the practice I saw they seemed to run a decent amount of 4-3 over formations where Robaire/Payne would essentially line up right over the C, slightly towards the strong side, Weaver would be towards the weakside (between G and T), Mario would be strongside (lined up about on the OT), then Peek/Babin would be on weakside DE line up outside the weakside OT, and the strongside LB (usually Orr) would line up outside of Mario, usually just outside the TE, something like I drew below:

.....TE.......OT.......OG......C......OG.......OT
..53...........90............91/99........92.........98/93
.......................96.............56

53 = Orr
90 = Mario
91 = Payne
99 = Robaire
92 = Weaver
98 = Peek
93 = Babin
96 = Rainer
56 = Greenwood

Mario would always be on whatever side the TE was on if there was only 1 TE out there, usually stayed at LDE in 2 TE sets. You'll notice this looks very similar to a 3-4 where the OLBs are down on the LOS.

Just my observances from the mini camp practice I got to watch.

 

[TK_Gamer]

5-2? thats a short yardage/goaline formation, i doubt they use that much. leaves two big seams for slant/cross routes. as far as using mario inside , kubiak said he would use him inside and outside, i dont think anone except Peek will have a SET position.thats the beauty of it, other teams wont ever know for sure what the matchup is till they get to the line. actually i guess payne would pretty much be set at DT but who knows.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

5-2? thats a short yardage/goaline formation, i doubt they use that much. leaves two big seams for slant/cross routes. as far as using mario inside , kubiak said he would use him inside and outside, i dont think anone except Peek will have a SET position.thats the beauty of it, other teams wont ever know for sure what the matchup is till they get to the line. actually i guess payne would pretty much be set at DT but who knows.

May be we will simply be called the Bull Rush 4 like the fearsome four some of the L.A. Rams.

 

[syberlan]

Good for Babin. I didn't like drafting a productive DE in the 4-3 and making him switch positions AND defenses. That's a hellofa experiment with a 1st rounder. As for Peak, I like him better at LB. It seemed the light was starting to come on and now he gets moved. I have zero years coaching experience, but 35 as armchair QB!

 

[nunusguy]

I didn't like drafting a productive DE in the 4-3 and making him switch positions AND defenses.

That's about the only place to find them, since its rare to even find college teams that run the 3-4.

 

[infantrycak]

That's about the only place to find them, since its rare to even find college teams that run the 3-4.

I believe there are two who run a 3-4 with Maryland being one. This has to be the most abused argument ever. Virtually every 3-4 DLmen and LB came from a 4-3 in college--they are all being drafted projecting to another position. Now some players' personal strengths make them better suited to make the transition certainly.

 

[nunusguy]

I believe there are two who run a 3-4 with Maryland being one.

And the other being Virginia where our former DL coach Mike London coached and does so again now that his sponser with the Texans, Dom Capers, has departed.
Like I said, 3-4 schools are rare.

 

[HJam72]

I'm still stuck on the idea that....

Williams = pass rushing DE

Payne = DT

Smith = DT

Weaver = strong side DE

....is the D that we should use most of the time. Mario will be good anywhere on the line, but it seems to me that he would be most effective at WDE, where he made a name for himself in college, and I'm more worried about getting the most out of him than whether or not we can revive the careers of Babin and/or Peek. I'm sure that at least one of them will be successfull, but I really wanna see Williams doing what he does best, especially on passing downs. Am I wrong here?

 

[TexanFan881]

I'm still stuck on the idea that....

Williams = pass rushing DE

Payne = DT

Smith = DT

Weaver = strong side DE

....is the D that we should use most of the time. Mario will be good anywhere on the line, but it seems to me that he would be most effective at WDE, where he made a name for himself in college, and I'm more worried about getting the most out of him than whether or not we can revive the careers of Babin and/or Peek. I'm sure that at least one of them will be successfull, but I really wanna see Williams doing what he does best, especially on passing downs. Am I wrong here?

Payne and Smith will probably switch up often and keep each other fresh at one DT position while Anthony Weaver is moving inside to DT to play the second DT position. Peek and Babin will split time at the DE position while Mario will be the DE on the other side. That's most likely the way the DL will look like.

Williams......Payne/Smith......Weaver......Peek/Babin

 

[TK_Gamer]

Payne and Smith will probably switch up often and keep each other fresh at one DT position while Anthony Weaver is moving inside to DT to play the second DT position. Peek and Babin will split time at the DE position while Mario will be the DE on the other side. That's most likely the way the DL will look like.

Williams......Payne/Smith......Weaver......Peek/Babin

yes I agree, Kubes allready made it known that he was planning on mario for strong side, ofcourse things change, and there will surely be different packages during the game.

any word on Kalu? he will prolly be backup for mario but I havent really heard much on him since OTA's