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Another Carr Statistic TD/Comp
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threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I have and it's not you wolf. This topic just has gotten my last nerve. You're a great poster and more of a credit to this board than I am. I'm just sick of it. I can understand people who are fifth avenue fans, monday mornign QBs, not getting it...I just happened to latch on to yours as a spring board. The rant wasn't aimed at you. SS. Carr may well nbe done...but whats the point of stirring it up again ? To be right ? It looks like an embarrasment to me. There should be no joy from any quarter on this board for this abject failure.
Wolf
100% Texan
true, I got ya.. I took it because out of my sarcastic thread ( I am like you there seems to be no inbetween when it comes to Carr by some, he either stinks or is great. hence the sarcastic trade Carr thread, but yet I almost get to the point where in terms of fan base, it might be the best for him (due to my frustration and yours)
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Kubiak has stated many times he has had to 'dumb down' the playbook for Carr. He has also said Carr has a long way to go. Our offense has virtually the same results/out put of last year. Kubiak said we'd be aggressive and do whatever it took to win---notttttttttt.
Please.please, tell me where this years offense is so much different than last years! We're on pace to score 'fewer' points and I wonder if we will go down in history as the only NFL team without a verticle passing attack with Carr at QB.
Kubiak's not 'coddling' Carr? What more could he do to 'cater' to David?
Uh let's see, we lost our running back the second day of summer camp. Then we lost our OLT prospect becuase the running backwas watching his crotch instead of the hole. Then we lost are other starting tackle. So now we're down to a rook RB and two that other organzations sniffed and threw back. A grey beard, who also was thrown back into the pile by another club is now on Carrs blind side. And a rook with a bad wheel on the other. Uh , even you say, I think under the curcumstances thats prety fair for this group at this time. Different ? The only way you could possibly say this season is the same as last season is if you've been under a rock the last three years. Good greif.
If what you say is true, then we wouldn't hear our coach talking about needing to improve our QB play, our passing game.... etc, etc....
Looking at the stats, yeah our passing game is doing it's thing. But watching the game, you can see we need to work on our passing game & our running game.
as an aside, a good running game usually comes with 120 rushing yards. A good passing game usually comes with more than 250 passing yards. you have to hit 250 often enough to be able to avg over 230 ypg. we aren't even close. Our passing game is similar to those of Seattle's, Kansas City's, Washinton's. Each of those teams will tell you their passing game hasn't been what they would have liked for it to be.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Stop all of the excuses everyone. I have been drinking the Carr kool-aid this season but I have had enough. I am sick of waiting around for things to advance and for us to make positive strides. Other teams have problems with QB production and they make a move. Sometimes guys just arent winners. Carr is not a winner. Look at Dallas, their offensive line sucked and their running game was suspect....well they make a move and now are dominating offensively with a guy who has NEVER STARTED BEFORE.
Romo has come in and instantly made an impact at QB while we are still waiting for Carr to win a football game for us 5 years later.....Romo has the same OL that Bledsoe has..same running game....sometimes guys just are never going to be a winner and will never do what it takes to be a winner....Carr is one of those guys. He lacks the mental acumen to make it in this league. He doesnt have what it takes mentally and has some inherent flaws in his mechanics and basic fundamentals.
I am sick of the excuses and sick of the losses. Carr needs to go at the end of the season. Period. End of story. Lets build this team around a good running game, capable veteran QB game management and a nasty hard hitting defense. We will never win diddly with little Davey at QB. I have had it and anyone who has a clue has to agree that David just isnt producing adequate results....
Carr's TD/Completion ratio is of course abysmal and an embarassment. I don't hate the guy but he has been an albatross for this franchise for going on 5 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
Doug from The Woodlands
Romo has come in and instantly made an impact at QB while we are still waiting for Carr to win a football game for us 5 years later.....Romo has the same OL that Bledsoe has..same running game....sometimes guys just are never going to be a winner and will never do what it takes to be a winner....Carr is one of those guys. He lacks the mental acumen to make it in this league. He doesnt have what it takes mentally and has some inherent flaws in his mechanics and basic fundamentals.
I am sick of the excuses and sick of the losses. Carr needs to go at the end of the season. Period. End of story. Lets build this team around a good running game, capable veteran QB game management and a nasty hard hitting defense. We will never win diddly with little Davey at QB. I have had it and anyone who has a clue has to agree that David just isnt producing adequate results....
Carr's TD/Completion ratio is of course abysmal and an embarassment. I don't hate the guy but he has been an albatross for this franchise for going on 5 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
Doug from The Woodlands
Wolf
100% Texan
I must have missed your Carr Kool-aid then
I would think if we had what you want, Carr would be winning.. Carr isn't losing us games (except the infamous benching game) but what people (I guess) is complaining about is he isn't winning them either
ONly Flozelle, and AndreGurrode were drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. There wasn't a big bidding war to get Kyle Kosier from Detroit... or Marc Columbo... or Marco Rivera...... Kosier was actually cut from two teams before becoming a Cowboy. My point here, is if they were on this team, we'd be complaining about the washed up talent we brought to this team.
TGlenn......... if he were here, we'd be talking about how he lost a step, then we'd be complaining about how T.O. drops balls all the time.
But they're winning games.
6 weeks ago, they looked like the worse offensive unit in the NFC East. Change the QB, and they are leading the division....... some folks even talking about Superbowl.
And we'll be talking about how we wish we had those has beens keeping David safe. & how Carr would be doing so much better if we had those recievers.... those weapons..... well, at least Glenn & Witten. Never mind the Talent we do have, that we can't get the ball to.
So what am I talking about??
Andre is doing his thing... looks like a probowl alternate at the least.
Since week 6, we avg 122 yards on the ground & that's including a 34 yard performance against the Giants.
Graybeard has been doing a fairly decent job, and the rook with the broken wheel don't look bad at all.
OUr biggest problem on offense, is our center, and the guy behind the center.
Scooter
Funky
plain & simple, we cant block for that long. never could. if you want carr to throw 20-30 yard routes and a few bombs every game, we're going to lead the league in sacks again ... and with all of the injuries, we might break the record (again). we went deep twice against the bills, the first ended in an interception and the second was covered perfectly by clements. we have to have MUCH better blocking before we can vary our passing distances like that. until then, we need our receivers & TE's to make a lot more happen after the catch.
250 yards a game comes out to a 4,000 yard season (along with a probowl trip & MVP considerations). carr's on pace for around 3100 which is average and about what i expect. again, i'd like to see the routes go a little farther and those numbers increase a little, but we dont have the blocking to do it and havent had a running game until 3 weeks ago. everything has to work for that to happen, the running game has to suck defenders in in order to open space and legitimize play actions. the blocking has to hold up long enough for those routes to develope. carr's highest rating is on passes in the 11-20 yard range (106.9) and we know he's accurate enough to throw these, but it's also when we give up drive killing sacks.
again, i want more out of carr and the offense in general. but picking one stat out of a hat and blaming it all on carr because of it is just wrong. here's one to inforce my statements. tom brady has a much lower completion percentage (59.6 to carr's 69.5) and only barely higher average yards per attempt (6.87 to carr's 6.65) ... but is beating the snot out of carr in both TD's and yardage (19 to 9, and 2296 to 1896 ... with only 1 more completion than carr). yards after the catch, running game.
hmm...... let's see. OUr recievers run the 40 in 4.4 seconds, or somewhere there-a-bouts. that would work out to roughly 2.5 seconds for a 20 yard route........ when Carr gets the ball out on time, it's usually about 2.5 seconds. I think Carr is getting enough time.
hmm....... I've just finished another post somewhere, where I figured we've been averaging 122 ypg rushing over the last 6 weeks, including a 34 yard game against NYG. In other words, the running game may not look like what we want, but it's been there, for more than 3 weeks.
the short passing game does the same thing. In the last 3 weeks, we haven't been able to get any YAC, because the LBs are already playing so close to the underneath route. Everybody knows who Owen Daniels is.. we are getting the one on ones we've been asking for........ but the ball is underthrown when it needs to be over the top, or overthrown when it needs to be underthrown.
that's another thing. It kills me when I watch other QBs come out throwing 10 & 15 yards down the field after they get sacked... but not ours. We will run the ball 9 times out of ten.
just to clarify... I'm just saying Carr can & should play better........ I'm not blaming our record on David.
no........ not yards after the catch. not at all. throwing the ball down field. Compare their yards per completion........ I understand looking at YPA would suggest our passing game is just as effiecient. which it may be.... but throwing for 4 yards on 3rd & 14 does nothing but confuse the issue.
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
...so where are the results all that different?...please, lift the rock and enlighten me
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
"but is beating the snot out of carr in both TD's and yardage (19 to 9, and 2296 to 1896 ... with only 1 more completion than carr). yards after the catch, running game."
JMO, but the biggest difference between us and the Pats is points-they've scored 15 more tds and have given up 9 fewer--a total swing of 24 tds, 144pts--imagine what our record would be with that kind of point variance!
JMO, but the biggest difference between us and the Pats is points-they've scored 15 more tds and have given up 9 fewer--a total swing of 24 tds, 144pts--imagine what our record would be with that kind of point variance!
Wolf
100% Texan
true but what if they get jammed at the line of scrimmage?adds what a second or two?
The Texans have had problems identifying o-line talent and developing what they have. Line play is poor to this day and contributes its fair share to the simplified offense we are running.
There are some signs this is changing, but there are now some older players on the line that will need replaced soon and our rookies at tackle are still unproven. I think we'll have a continuing lack of depth there for a few years too.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Despite all the excuses, Carr is still the problem with our offense. The dude just never grasped how to succeed in the NFL and to be frank is a crappy Quarterback.
It is time to move on. The sooner we move on, the sooner we can start moving forward. If we get another year of that joke of a QB I think I may go crazy.
One thing I do like is how the Carr apologists have kinda gone into hiding and seem to be starting to see the light....
Doug from the Woodlands
It is time to move on. The sooner we move on, the sooner we can start moving forward. If we get another year of that joke of a QB I think I may go crazy.
One thing I do like is how the Carr apologists have kinda gone into hiding and seem to be starting to see the light....
Doug from the Woodlands
I've never believed that. Our offensive line has never been stellar, but they aren't & haven't been consistently the worse line ever. Sure, if we look at the sacks given up stat, it is easy to make that claim, but we've drafted OL every year but one, and brought in FA year after year after year..... There's only been one constant, and we've had the same results.
This year, David has been sacked 20 times..... I'd bet that number would be cut in half, if David had thrown the ball when his first instincts had told him to. Many of his sacks were after he loaded up to throw the ball, but pulled it back down, and decided not to throw it.
Before I go further, let me say that I believe David has had his best games when he is decisive. When he is thinking in the middle of a play, he looks indecisive, which leads to sacks.
Now those throws might have been completions, they might have been INTs, they might have been incomplete, they might have been the spark needed to boost our offense, or they might have been the dagger through our hearts, I don't know. I'm just saying they wouldn't have been sacks. David still would have been hit, but we'd all be looking at the stats, 10 sacks after 11 games, and saying that our OLine is dominant........ (which wouldn't be true).
But I do agree, if David's first instinct is to throw the ball, then he needs to throw the ball. If it's intercepted, no one will blame him if it's tipped by Aj, and lands in the hands of PacManJones...... but if he just didn't see Chris Hope, or if he threw it into triple coverage, or underthrew it, he would get the blame just like any adult QB in the league.
You haven't believed what? That our offensive line has played poorly for 4 1/2 years? Wow.
My pointing out of the o-line problem isn't a defense of the Carr. More than one area can be poor on a team with the Texans record for the past few years.
I believe that.....
and while I don't think we had a superbowl winning Offensive line, or many probowl candidates on our offensive line, I don't believe they have played any worse than any team with avg talent on the line. I reference the Cowboys offensive line, they ain't all that. But depending on who their QB is, they look like ProBowlers, or they look like the worst line in the league.
I also find it curious that David's best year was a pretty poor year for our offensive line, where I believe David was sacked 44 times.......... a very high number for sure.
I don't believe David is the root of all evil....... that year proves (at least to me) that David can in fact perform at a high level. All I'm saying is that our QB can play better.
You are wrong on so many levels, it isn't even funny. Runner is not defending Carr in this thread.......
Flanagan has been our worse offensive lineman, and Salaam has been one of our best. The only problem (real problem, and not fan generated problems) with Salaam is that he is old, and his durability is in question.
Do you even watch the games? Snappy comeback! I can't even come up with a response to such chilling, keen logic!
The offense is improved over last year? If last year's pathetic performance is the standard, yes it is improved. That doesn't mean it is good, it means it is less pathetic. This offense is far worse than the 2004 version, especially the first half of 2004.
Do I think Carr is infallible (if that's the word you meant)? No, I don't. I was patient with him for three years, but the modest improvements he has shown this year aren't enough, IMO. He shoulders as much blame as the weak line. The o-line and Carr can both be less than adequate at the same time - the Texans are bad enough to have multiple weaknesses.
Our offensive line can't consistently run block or pass block.
Watching the games shows me Carr's one small area of improvement - he throws the ball before the rush gets to him now instead of taking a sack. The line is barely adequate for these 5-7 yards passes. Compare our line's "pocket" to that of other teams. Other teams give their QBs a yard or two to move around in. Out pocket provides the QB about two feet with it shrinking rapidly. Some fans have such low expectations they see "no sack" equating to excellent line play.
Honoring Earl 34
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I wonder what an overhead view of an opponents defense would look like compared to same defenses against most teams .
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Carr in my opinion is a classic drop back passer who happens to be pretty mobile . In other words Bledsoe with wheels . Thats his style of play it will always be that way . There also has been debates about his pocket awareness aka the little alarm clock and his vision . I'm still not convinced his teamates think he's all that not since the Gary Walker he needs to stop bringing his Dad to practice stuff that surfaced .
Carr may have been something if Boselli and Ryan Young had panned out but that did'nt happen . So since last year we are still trying to fit a square peg in a round whole . If they want to keep Carr then they are going to have to build a top OL , if they are going to address the defense first then they need a QB who reads and recognizes quicker ... you make the call .
Carr may have been something if Boselli and Ryan Young had panned out but that did'nt happen . So since last year we are still trying to fit a square peg in a round whole . If they want to keep Carr then they are going to have to build a top OL , if they are going to address the defense first then they need a QB who reads and recognizes quicker ... you make the call .
Interesting thoughts. How fast can a solid o-line with enough depth to withstand an injury or two be built?
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A good OL with depth probably means ( assuming Spencer and Winston pan out ) we need three more players and three more years .
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I think the Jets are playing with 13 players today .
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I think a 6 pt lead is like 26 right now . I not confident in our half time adjustments either .