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Accountability
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CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
No, but players like Tate are held accountable when they fumble once and get benched even though he was having a kick-ass game.
I'd say it's favoritism, not accountability.
Either way, it's a helluva a way to run a franchise. At least the fans give them lots of money for the show.
You can argue that it's almost racism I mean the system is being run in good ol boy fashion.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
This. Keshawn Martin fumbled and recovered it himself. The next punt return Keo was back there.
Houston Texans, Inc. brags about consecutive Reliant "sellouts" since 2002...
...like that is something to brag about. :wadepalm:
Come On Breh
Waterboy
This has been an INSTITUTIONAL problem that has been going on from day 1.
See Joe Marciano
He has been here since day one and year in year out special teams has been a problem and he is still employed. They finally addressed the situation last year but their answer to the problem was to hire someone who was just recently fired from his job and was going on his 7th or 8th job in like 10 years or something.
Marciano still being employed by the texans is the glaring example of a DEEPLY ROOTED INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM with accountability.
See Frank Bush
It took Kubiak getting threatened to lose his job for him to pull the trigger on Frank Bush. I mean why was he even hired in the first place with no experience DCing?
See Steve Slaton
We almost missed out on Foster because Kubiak refused to see talent and kept trotting out slaton. Foster only got a chance when slaton got injured.
See Kevin Walter
Kept trotting him out there and refused to play the young guys because walter was such a good blocker. I mean to value blocking over catching with a receiver is just asinine.
See Kareem Jackson
He had an awful first year where he was just not ready to play vs 1s and 2s yet Kubiak kept putting him out there and refused to see if anybody can do better. You see your rookie being overwhelmed, why not re designate him as #3 corner and bring him along slowly since it was quite obvious he wasnt ready to start.
See Kubiak
We all know.
See Schaub.
Ditto.
I could keep going with plenty more examples of players (zac diles, okoye, now with shiloh keo) not being good at their jobs yet there was no accountability and no change made to see if other options worked.
Its arrogance and stupidity at it epitomizes the phrase loyal to a fault. They value contracts, status, and seniority instead of talent and having to earn the right to be on the field.
Its disgusting.
See Joe Marciano
He has been here since day one and year in year out special teams has been a problem and he is still employed. They finally addressed the situation last year but their answer to the problem was to hire someone who was just recently fired from his job and was going on his 7th or 8th job in like 10 years or something.
Marciano still being employed by the texans is the glaring example of a DEEPLY ROOTED INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM with accountability.
See Frank Bush
It took Kubiak getting threatened to lose his job for him to pull the trigger on Frank Bush. I mean why was he even hired in the first place with no experience DCing?
See Steve Slaton
We almost missed out on Foster because Kubiak refused to see talent and kept trotting out slaton. Foster only got a chance when slaton got injured.
See Kevin Walter
Kept trotting him out there and refused to play the young guys because walter was such a good blocker. I mean to value blocking over catching with a receiver is just asinine.
See Kareem Jackson
He had an awful first year where he was just not ready to play vs 1s and 2s yet Kubiak kept putting him out there and refused to see if anybody can do better. You see your rookie being overwhelmed, why not re designate him as #3 corner and bring him along slowly since it was quite obvious he wasnt ready to start.
See Kubiak
We all know.
See Schaub.
Ditto.
I could keep going with plenty more examples of players (zac diles, okoye, now with shiloh keo) not being good at their jobs yet there was no accountability and no change made to see if other options worked.
Its arrogance and stupidity at it epitomizes the phrase loyal to a fault. They value contracts, status, and seniority instead of talent and having to earn the right to be on the field.
Its disgusting.
utahmark
markbeth
When you replace a qb its usually a permanent deal. At the very least one game. Add that to the fact that what's replacing him is probably not going to be very good. It makes it a tough decision. Ben Tate goes out for a quarter and you have a better guy taking up the slack. Then he can come back in and not miss a beat. At this point something needs to be done but its a totally different decision.
Your the second person to mention racism in this decision. I don't think you thought that statement through.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
imagine if matt schaub was black and played the same way.
You think he lasts this long as starter?
i dont think so.
I couldn't agree more.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Ah. The only thing I remembered is he wasn't in the next punt return after the fumble. He returned later in the game, so maybe it was just a minor injury for Kmart..
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Schaub didn't even have the sack to face the media after the game.
Accountability.
Accountability.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Is the post game media conference going on right now? 610 is just analysis atm. I wanna hear Kubiak talk.
Here's what he said:
"Matt's my guy. That was on me. I didn't put Matt in a position to win. It's on me."
I didn't actually listen, but I already know that's what he said, and so you do.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
It was on ESPN.
thetexanator
Veteran
he faced it. said we all need to get better as a team. lol.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
He talked in the locker room. He declined to go to the podium.
thetexanator
Veteran
really. wonder if he picks who gets to ask him the questions.
Schaub should pick 6 to talk to. That would be about right.
After listening to Kubiak's postgame interview, it sounds as if we will all have to "work through this thing" with Schaub.
Pick 6 - 4
Accountability - 0
I just noticed that Bill Paxton would be dead on if Hollywood ever makes the Gary Kubiak Story. John McClain could be played by Shamu the whale.
I posted something similar in another thread but it can go here as well. I view the media as an extension of the fans, they get access to the team and get to ask questions of the team that we all wish we could be asking. Why is our media soft on the team? Why are they settling for the same old "It's on me" or "I didn't call a good play or put the player in a position to succeed" excuses and not asking a hard follow up question like Why? If this were New York, Boston, Philly, etc... the media would be ripping this team and asking the hard nasty questions that fans want answered. The media is the fans version of accountability to the team.
There is no accountability
Never has been on the football side of the operation.
Never has been on the football side of the operation.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
e said "We cant turn the ball over, we had the fumble and some other things" are you Fing kidding me. Out of the whole game he mentions the fumble by tae.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
To what effect? Is Eli with his 12 INTs about to be benched? Is Tom Coughlin about to be fired? Asking hard nasty questions just receives another round of coach speak not more accountability.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
pretty sure Eli has won them 2 superbowls though, what has Schaub won us besides AFC South champs ? And now holder of a new nfl record.
I say its play the higher salary, piss on talent...
LEATHERHEAD
Waterboy
Going down with a sinking ship..get rid of kubs,3to 5 years to rebuild---Go Rockets
Well, I happen to be in NYC right now. Trust me, no one here gives a rat's ass about Eli winning 2 Super Bowls. The Giants are now 0-4, and it's what have you done for me lately, and that's all anyone cares about.
Agreed. But no one here is giving Eli that kinda grief, mainly because we don't care.
Eli has had some great games, we(down here in Texas) believe he's the best option they have right now.
If we were able to step back & look at our situation it's possible that we can see the same thing here. Yates/Keenum aren't going to get in the game unless Schaub gets hurt. Matt is our starting QB, much to our chagrin.
The frustrating part, is that few of us had the confidence in Schaub that Gary has had to begin with. We understand if Schaub's play drops below a certain level, he'd get pulled. It baffles us, even me (a guy who doesn't care for Schaub but believed he is good enough to win a Championship with this team), that we haven't seen that level yet.
Sigma
Veteran
I think fascism is a better word for the concept. It's less race-related and more political.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
You are correct that racist doesn't apply. Gary hand picked Frank Bush and Rick Smith as his key people...so I think racist is kinda not even close to accurate.
Sigma
Veteran
well someone can still be racist if he favors black people over white, but I don't think this is the case...
Yeah, that's it. Kubiak favors black people over white. He named his sons Kxxx, Kxxx, & Kxxx, & that's why he's more lenient to Schaub than he is to Ben Tate.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
Yeah, that's it. Kubiak favors black people over white. He named his sons Kxxx, Kxxx, & Kxxx, & that's why he's more lenient to Schaub than he is to Ben Tate.
you cant blame people for feeling it. jacoby jones and trindon holliday are gone but how long did kevin walter last?
how long has joe marciano lasted?
you think if matt schaub was black and played the same way, threw crazy picks in end of games and to defensive linemen and linbackers, he would have lasted 7 years as starter?
lets be honest here.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
thanks for the education
Try this-->click<--
Then read what Sigma said again.
Then read what I said again.
Yeah, that's it. Kubiak favors black people over white. He named his sons Kxxx, Kxxx, & Kxxx, & that's why he's more lenient to Schaub than he is to Ben Tate.
Sigma
Veteran
so, this is where my english fails me...
With your first post I wasn't sure if you were sarcastic or not, then all sorts of stuff came out about kubiak being so biased.
I guess I never noticed because I'm not even considering the possibility of someone being racist in such an environment.
And now I don't get if you are sarcastic again
it is 3AM over here, in my defense.
This said, I really hope that Kubiak isn't racist...
Come On Breh
Waterboy
kubiak is lenient to schaub because he lives vicariously through schaub.
He sees himself in schaub, a guy who never got a chance to start becasue of elway. He's now making up for it with schaub, another glorified back up. He invested a lot of time in him, and he doesnt want to give up on him because it means that he's giving up on himself in some sick delusional psychological way.
Matt Schaub is an avatar, and Kubiak is the driver.
Pulling schaub will mean no more jake sully fantasies for kubiak.
Kubiak is getting his rocks off playing matt schaub.
He doesnt want that to end. It also means a public failure for him. Nobody wants to admit they were wrong.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
no problem....I'm darkly sarcastic at times. It's all really hilarious with all the proper translations and such. just ignore me for the most part - it works for the others.so, this is where my english fails me...
With your first post I wasn't sure if you were sarcastic or not, then all sorts of stuff came out about kubiak being so biased.
I guess I never noticed because I'm not even considering the possibility of someone being racist in such an environment.
And now I don't get if you are sarcastic again
it is 3AM over here, in my defense.
This said, I really hope that Kubiak isn't racist...
Sigma
Veteran
no problem....I'm darkly sarcastic at times. It's all really hilarious with all the proper translations and such. just ignore me for the most part - it works for the others.
pun intended?
Your hatred of Kubiak & Schaub makes it difficult to take you seriously. You come off as an emotionally distraught, teenage groupie.
Come On Breh
Waterboy
ahh yes pigeonhole an entire post and start the name calling.
i would respond accordingly but i dont want to get banned.
nice football related response.
bckey
All Pro
no problem....I'm darkly sarcastic at times. It's all really hilarious with all the proper translations and such. just ignore me for the most part - it works for the others.
never mr. shiny happy fan.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Kind of the bizarro version of you, huh? Both equally impossible to take seriously, but complete opposite in viewpoint.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
dude, just talk football. Get a little surly if you want but stop the whining about getting tossed or the nazi influence or whatever oppressive forces rue the day. The posters here will assert enough peer pressure to keep you in check (you've used some yourself)...just stop with the persecution complex and grow a pair. If you want to screech and moan about this place I suggest doing it somewhere other than here. Your namesake says it all.
just another troubling Heisenberg quality.
bckey
All Pro
Gonna miss that show. That was the only show I watched (every episode) and now its gone. Oh well.
TexansFight
Veteran
Come on Breh: You have a brother in arms here with me to fight the good fight. I like your style and passion. I have got your back. I have been here since the beginning and I have a reputation of being an ornery SOB which is true. I am sick and tired of the same crap and problems rearing their head every hear.
I want a cleansing fire. BENCH SCHAUB AND FIRE KUBIAK!
I want a cleansing fire. BENCH SCHAUB AND FIRE KUBIAK!
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