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Aaron Schobel Retired

If we could get him at a low base salary, then I don't see the problem. I can't see paying him $8 million a year though. I could see a contract with incentives and such, but not the kind of base salary he's used to getting.
 
Wow, ten sacks! I don't like how old he is and I hate the idea of him taking the place of someone who's been around a while just because he has a relationship with Kollar. But ten sacks.....hmmmmm....
 
I don't get why he's dinking around with his decision though. It's one thing to mutually agree with the Bills to move on but you're either going to play or you aren't, dragging the decision into camp does no one any favours.

I'd hate to see an older player like Schobel come in and steal reps from a guy like Connor Barwin, I thought he really came on at the end of last season.
 
I'd bring him in if the money was right...

I don't think he'd steal reps from Barwin...Maybe from Okoye or Cody...

Maybe Schobel comes in at end and Smith bumps down to DT more often...Or Maybe Smith gets more breaks...Either way, I think that we could find enough snaps for him to fit in without disrupting too much..
 
Get this done! I don't see how anyone could be against this.


WHo cares if we have Mario, Barwin, or Smith? Put the best guy out there and make them all compete. Hell, this is great for rotation any way. You want as many guys at DE as you can get. Plus, Mario could always get injured. Our defensive line is still a work in progress and this guy could really help. Make it happen! :evil:
 
Move Mario inside with Antonio Smith and use Barwin and Schobel as DE's on 3rd down. Try stopping that!

Ok, so I'll just accept my award for preposterous idea of the day but it's crap like this that I think would work.
 
BSofA04 said:
Move Mario inside with Antonio Smith and use Barwin and Schobel as DE's on 3rd down. Try stopping that!

Ok, so I'll just accept my award for preposterous idea of the day but it's crap like this that I think would work.
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Preposterous? I say try it out and let em rip!!! It couldn't hurt.
 
Texecutioner said:
Get this done! I don't see how anyone could be against this.


WHo cares if we have Mario, Barwin, or Smith? Put the best guy out there and make them all compete. Hell, this is great for rotation any way. You want as many guys at DE as you can get. Plus, Mario could always get injured. Our defensive line is still a work in progress and this guy could really help. Make it happen! :evil:
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See the other thread about Marios hip problems...he'd be a great addition.
I'm betting he'd love coming here since his family lives in Columbus (I ate at their resturaunt on the way to my daughters graduation in Kerrville in May)
 
Texecutioner said:
Get this done! I don't see how anyone could be against this.


WHo cares if we have Mario, Barwin, or Smith? Put the best guy out there and make them all compete. Hell, this is great for rotation any way. You want as many guys at DE as you can get. Plus, Mario could always get injured. Our defensive line is still a work in progress and this guy could really help. Make it happen! :evil:
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In my best Gregorian Chant:

AMEN!!

This is a guy that is a low risk, high reward signing. Your team gets better with him on it. We got a rookie and a second year guy playing CB, they are going to need all the pass rush they can get.
 
I dont think, he will be taking away so much of Barwins reps. Part of what makes Connor great is that occasionally he will be standing up like an outside 3-4 linebacker. Schobel would be more of a traditional DE.

But when it comes down to it.........10 sacks.
 
Texas T said:
See the other thread about Marios hip problems...he'd be a great addition.
I'm betting he'd love coming here since his family lives in Columbus (I ate at their resturaunt on the way to my daughters graduation in Kerrville in May)
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Must spread the rep for mentioning the restaurant. I had a nice country dinner there about a year or two ago while watching the Texans lose to the Jags. Good country cooking.

I'd love to have Schobel here. Hell, you can't go wrong with any of the Schobel brothers. All good hard working Texas boys. And this one has a very high motor. I don't trust Mario Williams like so many others do either. He's the most talented DE in the league, but he takes plays off at times and doesn't seem to have the intense motor 100% of the time like you want your star DE to have. If Mario gets hurt, we're screwed and Schobel is a high motor guy all of the time and a solid veteran. Hell, he'd be great in rotation. I'd would be ecstatic if we had him on this D line and I think he'd make a hell of an impact to this team.
 
Texecutioner said:
Must spread the rep for mentioning the restaurant. I had a nice country dinner there about a year or two ago while watching the Texans lose to the Jags. Good country cooking.

I'd love to have Schobel here. Hell, you can't go wrong with any of the Schobel brothers. All good hard working Texas boys. And this one has a very high motor. I don't trust Mario Williams like so many others do either. He's the most talented DE in the league, but he takes plays off at times and doesn't seem to have the intense motor 100% of the time like you want your star DE to have. If Mario gets hurt, we're screwed and Schobel is a high motor guy all of the time and a solid veteran. Hell, he'd be great in rotation. I'd would be ecstatic if we had him on this D line and I think he'd make a hell of an impact to this team.
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Mario has always had some nagging bug which has really held him back from progress.
 
The Texans need to make the call! Schobel would be great to have here. That's simply more depth and formations we could use on our D-Line. Move Marion and Smith to the inside with Barwin and Schobel on the outside. Or, have Mario and Schobel on the outside, with Smith and Mitchell on the inside. So many other formations, too. Maybe a 3-4 formation with Mario, Smith, and Schobel with Barwin as a linebacker? I like it. Not to mention he'd bring in more veteran leadership to this young defense.
 
I'd be down for this. If he's good enough to steal reps then that means the coaches think he's the better player at that time. I don't see how it would hurt the Texans unless they came to rely on him to play 60% and he got injured.
 
Here are some thoughts from http://www.texansbullblog.com on Schobel coming to Houston to sack Peyton Manning and some other dudes too!:

Rumors and reports are circulating that the Texans could sign Aaron Schobel this preseason if they want him. At this point, the Texans can not sign, contact, nor comment on Schobel because he is still officially a Buffalo Bill. John McClain has an informative article at http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/7135755.html that details the situation. Essentially, the Bills will be releasing Schobel and because of Schobel’s relationship with Bill Kollar (Texans DL coach), and his farm in Colombus, Texas… he would like to play in Houston.

Schoble is 32 years old and has been a highly successful DE pass rusher and playmaker in his career. He has suffered a number of injuries that past few years, limiting his practice time and gameday snaps, but he has remained a pass rushing force. He only played five games in 2008 due to injuries but rebounded last season with 10 sacks in 16 games, while still hampered with knee/leg ailments (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchoAa99.htm).

He is an undersized, high energy DE. He has less than elite speed and strength but has a great motor and understands the finer points of the game. Though he is unlikely to remain and every down player, I think he would be highly effective in a DE rotation. The Texans have three DEs that are assured of making the roster: Mario, A.Smith, and Barwin. However, only Barwin is strictly an edge rusher. So, Schobel could certainly fit into the rotation. As a matter of a fact, it is a wonderful thought to imagine a 3rd and long with Schobel and Barwin lined up at DE and Mario and A. Smith both pinched in at DT. There are many combinations that could be effective, and I think a deeper rotation of the DL is something that will help the pass rush significantly. I know that Kollar believes in heavy rotation and keeping guys fresh and their motors running high (strange that Okoye had so many snaps last year under Kollar). I’m sure there will be more on this potential development soon. Essentially, his presence would push out at least two of the following DEs from the roster: Bulman, Jamison, Nading.

here’s a fun highlight from last season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7OAzUqlaHQ
 
He's not going to steal reps from Barwin, he's going to steal reps from guys like Tim Bulman and Jesse Nading. If he does get signed to the Texans, he will come in as a 2nd team DE and work opposite Barwin. It is a great idea to get a guy like him and be 4-deep on DE for rotational purposes.
 
10 sacks
wants to play if the team needs him
DL coach he liked is on the Texans
Didn't like Buffalo because too far from columbus, tx

Seems perfect
 
What contractial problems are we looking at here, he needs to be released by the Bills first, and we're expecting this to happen when?

I like the idea btw, I'm just trying to figure out how much speculation we're looking at here :)
 
Malloy said:
What contractial problems are we looking at here, he needs to be released by the Bills first, and we're expecting this to happen when?

I like the idea btw, I'm just trying to figure out how much speculation we're looking at here :)
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I think, if he doesnt get released than he will just retire.

Either way, it appears he wont be playing in a Bills uniform in the near future.
 
Malloy said:
What contractial problems are we looking at here, he needs to be released by the Bills first, and we're expecting this to happen when?

I like the idea btw, I'm just trying to figure out how much speculation we're looking at here :)
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No More 8-8's said:
I think, if he doesnt get released than he will just retire.

Either way, it appears he wont be playing in a Bills uniform in the near future.
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Jason LaCanfora is tweeting that the Bills have already informed him that they intend to release him.

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I would think if it's a done deal, and The Bills know he still wants to play, they'd do it sooner as opposed to later to give him the best chance possible to end up with a good fit for him.
 
If the price is right, anyone is a consideration.

If we can get the pass rush going at a good level, the defense is pretty much fixed as it helps on the back end too.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Jason LaCanfora is tweeting that the Bills have already informed him that they intend to release him.

LINK

I would think if it's a done deal, and The Bills know he still wants to play, they'd do it sooner as opposed to later to give him the best chance possible to end up with a good fit for him.
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Nice!

Come on Smith, bring him in!
 
TEXANS84 said:
Bills will NOT release Schobel for free, want something in return.

Don't get too excited guys...GM Buddy Nix will not let him go for free...and I highly doubt Texans will give anything in return. I'd be shocked if they did.
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Well, they have publicly said that they don't want him on the team...yet, he is due to make $8million this season. So, he's going to get cut. They could, out of spite, hang on to him until the cutdowns at the end of August. But, nobody is going to trade for him and incur that salary.
 
Funny how this gets posted earlier this morning, just around the time that the "intent to release" Twitter by Jason LaConfora.

Nix makes it clear on Schobel
Chris Brown
Posted August 2, 2010 – 10:42 am
Tags: Aaron Schobel, Buddy Nix
Bills GM Buddy Nix made it clear regarding Aaron Schobel’s career with the Bills. It’s over.

“He will remain on our Reserve/Did Not Report list until he makes a decision about what he wants to do, whether it’s retire or if he might want to play somewhere else,” said Nix.

If Schobel does want to play elsewhere, the Bills will then begin to explore trade options. It’s clear the Bills will not outright release him.
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dalemurphy said:
Well, they have publicly said that they don't want him on the team...yet, he is due to make $8million this season. So, he's going to get cut. They could, out of spite, hang on to him until the cutdowns at the end of August. But, nobody is going to trade for him and incur that salary.
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Shades of Favre and the Packers circa 2008 Training Camp.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Bills will NOT release Schobel for free, want something in return.

Don't get too excited guys...GM Buddy Nix will not let him go for free...and I highly doubt Texans will give anything in return. I'd be shocked if they did.
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A little contradictory to what Schobel says

Schobel has four years left on a $50.5 million contract extension he signed in 2007, and will remain on the team's Reserve/Did Not Report List. Schobel told The Associated Press in a phone interview from his home outside of Houston that the Bills told him they would release him if he decided to come back at this point.
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Link
 
For those a little more in the know:


What ever happened to kicking Mario inside on certain downs? I know when we drafted him they had moved him all around the line, and have pretty much stopped.

If he can be effective inside, what would you guys think aboud:

Barwin - Smith - Mario - Schobel

Or perhaps when changing things up we could:

Smith - Okoye - Mario
Barwin - Cushing - DeMeco - Schobel

I know Schobel is a 4-3 linemen, but just a thought to see if we could create some serious mismatches with having Mario and Antonio playing inside. Barwin is coming on, and Schobel is enough of a vet to be able to take advantage of a 1 on 1. If he doesn't get a 1 on 1, that leaves Mario the ability to bullrush through the middle of the line (assuming he's healthy enough to do so).

I'm not so adept on linemen, my keen interest is in DB's...so those of you who are line guru's, would this work, or even be plausible?

EDIT: This is on obvious passing downs, as Okoye would be absolutely manhandled at NT, of course.
 
I would put or play Schobel like this:


Passing downs:

Schobel, Smith, Mitchell, Williams or
Schobel, Smith, Williams, and Barwin
 
houstonspartan said:
Eh. I'm for bringing him in for a year if we can get him for cheap. But, if the Bills are wanting something in return, forget it.
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There is no way, any team will be giving the Bills anything. The Bills are just grasping at straws, knowing full well they wont be paying the 8mil salary.
 
Rey said:
I'd bring him in if the money was right...

I don't think he'd steal reps from Barwin...Maybe from Okoye or Cody...

Maybe Schobel comes in at end and Smith bumps down to DT more often...Or Maybe Smith gets more breaks...Either way, I think that we could find enough snaps for him to fit in without disrupting too much..
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BSofA04 said:
Move Mario inside with Antonio Smith and use Barwin and Schobel as DE's on 3rd down. Try stopping that!

Ok, so I'll just accept my award for preposterous idea of the day but it's crap like this that I think would work.
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Ugh. Really the fact that people talk about how Smith can rotate inside is getting ridiculous. For a few snaps a game? Sure, but for a prolonged period of time? It would render him ineffective as a pass rusher.

Mario inside? Ugh. I can't even respond. Just get him back healthy playing at high level at DE.

Yes he would be taking some reps from Barwin, but hey, that's the move the FO made on getting a pass rushing, project DE high. Either take reps from him or Smith and unless Barwin becomes better at stopping the run he's never going to be a 3 down DE on this team.
 
Anything we can do to get some pressure on Manning, I say do it. Just don't pay too much for him.
BTW, he's 33 next month.
 
Goldensilence said:
Ugh. Really the fact that people talk about how Smith can rotate inside is getting ridiculous. For a few snaps a game? Sure, but for a prolonged period of time? It would render him ineffective as a pass rusher.

Mario inside? Ugh. I can't even respond. Just get him back healthy playing at high level at DE.

Yes he would be taking some reps from Barwin, but hey, that's the move the FO made on getting a pass rushing, project DE high. Either take reps from him or Smith and unless Barwin becomes better at stopping the run he's never going to be a 3 down DE on this team.
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If the FO thinks Schobel's a better pass rusher than Barwin right now, then try to get him for a reasonable price (I'd happily give a 6th or maybe even a 5th round pick for him). Heaven forbid we have a backup DE with too much talent.

Schobel's not a long term solution, anyway. Having him together with Barwin for a year or two may end up helping Barwing develop - not the other way around.
 
TEXANS84 said:
I would put or play Schobel like this:


Passing downs:

Schobel, Smith, Mitchell, Williams or
Schobel, Smith, Williams, and Barwin
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Let's establish something before our imaginations run too wild. Mario is not moving inside.

I can see Schobel being used in blitz packages with five on the line, in rotation to relieve Mario, and deep frying delicious stuffed jalapenos during tailgates. Sign 'em up!
 
Goldensilence said:
Ugh. Really the fact that people talk about how Smith can rotate inside is getting ridiculous. For a few snaps a game? Sure, but for a prolonged period of time? It would render him ineffective as a pass rusher.
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Based on what?

He's highly effective on the inside because he plays with solid technique and his speed causes match-up problems for inside linemen.

He almost played exclusively inside on third downs last season as well, so I don't know where the idea that his potential there is limited or marginalized by more snaps is coming from.

I don't know that he could be a full-time player at tackle, but the idea that he's ideally suited at DE is rubbish.
 
Goldensilence said:
Ugh. Really the fact that people talk about how Smith can rotate inside is getting ridiculous. For a few snaps a game? Sure, but for a prolonged period of time? It would render him ineffective as a pass rusher.

Mario inside? Ugh. I can't even respond. Just get him back healthy playing at high level at DE.

Yes he would be taking some reps from Barwin, but hey, that's the move the FO made on getting a pass rushing, project DE high. Either take reps from him or Smith and unless Barwin becomes better at stopping the run he's never going to be a 3 down DE on this team.
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The last place you would want to "test" him after coming off of any shoulder surgery this soon is inside.
 
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