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A prediction about Carr and the haters

Goldeagle

Goldeagle

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An easy prediction actually


Carr gets traded, and will have success, and all the people hating on him will be here posting how they LOVED CARR, new he had potential and blah blah.... I can see it now. Is Carr a bit shell shocked, yes. Does he hold the ball to long at times, yes. Does he have more dropped passes than any other QB in the NFL, yes. Does he have the worst pass protection in the NFL, yes! Let the guy go to another team, watch him become what many nfl experts say he has and then I will have to read and here all you haters whining about that.

How many times do we have to see it happen Houston, how many times?

You know the guy has the worst pass protection in the NFL and with the dumbest set of coaches who could not make a right play call if it slapped their mothers in front of them.
 
Completely correct! Carr haters will say how they can't believe Houston let another great talent get away for nothing!
 
bigcarlos said:
If we get Vince Young, there will be signs of David WHO????????:texflag:
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Holy cow, all Vince does is drop back and run, he wont stay in the pocket. All he does is dunk it down to the running back. The line gave him 3 seconds today, he should be able to throw the ball all over the field, the good QB's can.





See how easy that is? It doesnt matter what name you plug in there.
 
Exactly Kenneth

I mean, how can they be so blind about the offensive play calling, the inept ability to catch the ball at times and definitly the POOR, POOR pass protection?

Does he have certain quirks, yes, but many QBs have had those quirks and as Tony DUngy said about Carr on Siruis radio, we dont know if he is going to be a good or bad QB in this league because no one would have success with that protection. He has the potential, now lets get some protection for him and then see what he really has.
 
I dont think there is a carr hater i think there is a large amount of people that are dissapointed and how bad he has screwed this franchise and i dont blame them hell i myself will admit i wish we could turn back time and have J Peppers instead of this Clown we have now. and if honesty hurts i cant help it we should of known what kind of Qb he was going to be after all Casserly did draft him i guess he was a cant miss like heath shuler was.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
I dont think there is a carr hater i think there is a large amount of people that are dissapointed and how bad he has screwed this franchise and i dont blame them hell i myself will admit i wish we could turn back time and have J Peppers instead of this Clown we have now. and if honesty hurts i cant help it we should of known what kind of Qb he was going to be after all Casserly did draft him i guess he was a cant miss like heath shuler was.
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Bad news if JP was here...(not to hate on peppers, but i am) he would be getting doubled and tripled team here because of the "fantastic" pass rush that we have and we would never hear from him. Its not the parts, its the sum of the whole! Carr can't complete passes because he ahs been slammed bc the O-line has done a terrible job of blocking but the O-line was so terrible because of the personel that the coaching staff puts in there and the overall philosophy of the coaching staff. Play not to lose, instead of playing to win! It starts with the coaches! So me a QB who plays great with terrible coaching?!?
 
kenneth24 said:
Bad news if JP was here...(not to hate on peppers, but i am) he would be getting doubled and tripled team here because of the "fantastic" pass rush that we have and we would never hear from him. Its not the parts, its the sum of the whole! Carr can't complete passes because he ahs been slammed bc the O-line has done a terrible job of blocking but the O-line was so terrible because of the personel that the coaching staff puts in there and the overall philosophy of the coaching staff. Play not to lose, instead of playing to win! It starts with the coaches! So me a QB who plays great with terrible coaching?!?
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So basiclly what your saying David carr should never be held accountable for his play WoW. it everyone's fault except for the field general the man that touches the ball on every offensive play.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
So basiclly what your saying David carr should never be held accountable for his play WoW. it everyone's fault except for the field general the man that touches the ball on every offensive play.
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No I think its everyones fault and but it starts with bad coaching. The Texans took a step back this year because of their bright idea to put Wand at left tackle and took half the season before they changed that mistake. Another problem, like i said is the philosophy, especially against the colts and any team that plays a cover 2. The Texans, by design, refuse to attack the defense, instead settle for what they can get. And if this is the philosophy why do they continue to play a speed guy who has bad hands (bradford) instead of a good possesion receiver (armstrong). I think Carr tries to run too many times when he doesn't have to or in situations when he needs to throw the ball when there is no chance for him to pick up the necessary yardage with his feet. He also needs to learn to throw the ball away and cut his losses. But I've also seen him throw some nice deep balls, squeeze the ball into tight coverage bc of his strong arm and make good decisions when he can get into a rhythm. Its everybody's fault but Carr can be a good quarterback with the proper support around him.
 
Here's a prediction for you: Jabar Gaffney leaves the Texans and goes somewhere else to be the number 2 WR and puts up a few 1000 yard season and everyone will be asking "Why didnt he do that here?" and the Carr lovers will not be able to understand it was Carr's fault for not being able to read a defense.
 
rmartin65 said:
I thought Carr had a good game. Just my opoinion, but on the radio the guys were saying it too.
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I didnt know people considered a 138 yard passing game a good game...
 
kenneth24 said:
No I think its everyones fault and but it starts with bad coaching. The Texans took a step back this year because of their bright idea to put Wand at left tackle and took half the season before they changed that mistake.
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My prediction is you'll never believe that Wand started all the games last year at left tackle and Victor Riley started at left tackle for the first 4 games this year, and Pitts has started the rest. Wand has yet to start a game this year.
 
You know, I bet even Ryan Leaf was able to throw a few good passes into tight coverage because he had the physical ability. Am I saying Carr is the next Leaf? Absolutely not, but he is not playing up to his potential because he's scared. Why is every staunch Carr supporter so worried about having him sit a game or two, if anything just to let him regroup from the "battering" he is taking? We are now 1-8 with only having held a lead for ~35 minutes out of a total of 540. What's the harm in proving you Carr supporters right by letting Ragone play and look as pathetic or moreso? That we'll go another 60-120 minutes without a lead?
 
Runner said:
My prediction is you'll never believe that Wand started all the games last year at left tackle and Victor Riley started at left tackle for the first 4 games this year, and Pitts has started the rest. Wand has yet to start a game this year.
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My bad! You are correct...but still why would the coaches take somebody (Riley) that no other team wanted and plug him into start. Pitts has outperformed Wand at left tackle this year. Wand did play much better last year than he has this year...this year he just seems a step slow and he has seen some playing time but maybe thats due to not getting as much playing time. (I feel ill, i think i just changed my tune on wand!) On a seperate note isnt it surprising that Pitts has played better even though he got a contract extension? I was not in favor of it when it happened because I thought he missed too many blocks and got called for too many penalties but he has stepped up. Thank goodness he didn't go the way of previous Houston athletes and just get fat and happy ( I think he already was!) like Hidalgo and Moochie!
 
mean mark8 said:
You know, I bet even Ryan Leaf was able to throw a few good passes into tight coverage because he had the physical ability. Am I saying Carr is the next Leaf? Absolutely not, but he is not playing up to his potential because he's scared. Why is every staunch Carr supporter so worried about having him sit a game or two, if anything just to let him regroup from the "battering" he is taking? We are now 1-8 with only having held a lead for ~35 minutes out of a total of 540. What's the harm in proving you Carr supporters right by letting Ragone play and look as pathetic or moreso? That we'll go another 60-120 minutes without a lead?
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I think sitting Carr for a start or 2 might be good for him, just for him to see the whole field without getting clobbered. Ragone doesn't have the arm strength or scrambling ability of Carr and neither does Banks. But it would be good for Ragone to get some experience if he is the backup of the future, as long as he doesn't get shell-shocked also.
 
Fiddy said:
Here's a prediction for you: Jabar Gaffney leaves the Texans and goes somewhere else to be the number 2 WR and puts up a few 1000 yard season and everyone will be asking "Why didnt he do that here?" and the Carr lovers will not be able to understand it was Carr's fault for not being able to read a defense.
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just like he didnt read the defense when he scaned the d and found jabar for the td
 
Fiddy said:
Here's a prediction for you: Jabar Gaffney leaves the Texans and goes somewhere else to be the number 2 WR and puts up a few 1000 yard season and everyone will be asking "Why didnt he do that here?" and the Carr lovers will not be able to understand it was Carr's fault for not being able to read a defense.
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Like when he could have caught the ball for a long gain and possible TD when Carr put it on his elbow while he was streaking down the seam and no one was around him but didn't bother to look back.
 
run-david-run said:
just like he didnt read the defense when he scaned the d and found jabar for the td
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He didnt "scan the D" on the Gaffney TD, he locked onto Gaffney. That was his first read and he never looked away. He always does that. That is why Gaff had those big games when AJ was out but has become non-existent now because he is on the middle reads. Carr locks onto his first read and then if that is not open, he dumps it down to the RB.
 
Actually Fiddy, I am not on either side of this conversation but Gaff was the second read. At the snap his read was left then he went to the middle and found Gaff. Just wanted to clarify that...Continue on.
 
kenneth24 said:
Like when he could have caught the ball for a long gain and possible TD when Carr put it on his elbow while he was streaking down the seam and no one was around him but didn't bother to look back.
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Okay, rip him for one mistake this season. Go ahead. But do praise him when AJ went out and Gaff stepped up and had some big games receiving wise and was our only threat at wideout...
 
Coach C. said:
Actually Fiddy, I am not on either side of this conversation but Gaff was the second read. At the snap his read was left then he went to the middle and found Gaff. Just wanted to clarify that...Continue on.
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I thought Gaffney came from the left on that play, that's why he looked left cause that's where Gaff lined-up...
 
Fiddy said:
Okay, rip him for one mistake this season. Go ahead. But do praise him when AJ went out and Gaff stepped up and had some big games receiving wise and was our only threat at wideout...
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Actually I think Gaff is a good no. 2 receiver, I just like pointing out that play!:redtowel: Hopefully he doesn't allow that to happen again because I do know that he is better than that.
 
Coach C. said:
No Gaff was on the strong side. I thought that the first time I saw it to. I had to go back on the DVR to get a good look at it. It was quick, but I am just clarifying I do not want to enter this post to much because I feel very strongly toward oneside.
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You couldn't have looked at it because I am in the play right now and the formation had no WR's lined up on the strong side. Both WR's were lined up on the left side of the field and Carr was looking at Gaffney the whole way. I'm not being critical of Carr on the play...just pointing out that you are not being straight with the other forum members on this play.
 
I for one am not a Carr hater. I just think he is too damn gun shy from the crap offensive line and poor coaching to be effective. If those things change then maybe he would do better, but if is always the case when someone doesn't do well.
 
Originally Posted by rmartin65 said:
I thought Carr had a good game. Just my opoinion, but on the radio the guys were saying it too.
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Fiddy said:
I didnt know people considered a 138 yard passing game a good game...
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Entering this game, the Texans were dead last in the league in passing yardage (104 ypg), so based on that - yeah - Carr had a great game. But based on NFL standards, the Texans suck. The 16th best passing offense in the league entering this game was the Giants at 215 ypg. That's an 'average' NFL passing offense. We are pathetic, especially if people are saying Carr and the passing offense had a good game today with 138 yards passing. That's good for a half if you are a good team.
 
...and he was so shocked that he had time to throw, he still panicked. Luckily, he didn't overthrow him on that play.

I'm not a Carr hater at all but he needs to be held accountable like everyone else. He needs to held to task for:

Overthrowing people by 10 yards ABOVE their head.
Knowing when to throw it out of bounds and when not to.
When to run, etc...

Would Carr be great somewhere else? Maybe...he just might!! But that's like asking if someone could have a healthy marriage if they've already been divorced. The answer is MAYBE. If they find a good fit, work on things, focus - yes, they can. But that doesn't mean that they could've with the other person.

The coaches lack of football understanding may, and I say may, have ruined Carr here in Houston - maybe! But, while he's here, he needs to be accountable for his mistakes regardless of who or what brings them out in him. Otherwise, it may be best for him to find 'IT' somewhere else.

You know what's ironic? The Carr LOVERS want him to STAY here and keep taking this punishment and come out of his shellshokc here even though it may hurt his career in the long run producing 5 good years or so....

....could sound like 'selfishness' to the layman. I mean, if Carr could have a great career elsewhere or stay here and possibly never truly recover from happy feet and nerves of glass, what would you want?

I hope he's the one for us - let's let Jimmy Johnson make that call for us!! :yahoo:
 
aj. said:
Entering this game, the Texans were dead last in the league in passing yardage (104 ypg), so based on that - yeah - Carr had a great game. But based on NFL standards, the Texans suck. The 16th best passing offense in the league entering this game was the Giants at 215 ypg. That's an 'average' NFL passing offense. We are pathetic, especially if people are saying Carr and the passing offense had a good game today with 138 yards passing. That's good for a half if you are a good team.
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TWO game total for Carr against the Colts this year: 8 Quarters, 186 gross passing yards
 
Vince Young is not coming out. Your choices will be Leinert and Bush, you take Bush. The problem is you dont have weapons on offense. Look at the Colts.....Wayne, James, Clark, Stokley, Harrison. Texans: D.Davis, AJ, and????????????. Maybe in the Future Mathis can stay healthy and be a threat. You need an ULTIMATE weapon like Bush. Line him up a WR, HB, H-Back, punt/kick returner. You do not pass LT reincarnated.
 
I would have to see coach's film - but on that play it might have been his only read. One receiver route. There might have been outlet but that is about it.
 
I am pretty sure Rich Lord said the Texans have already said they are going to give David his bonus of $8 million or whatever it is...which means David will be here but there will be a new coaching staff, new offense, etc. I don't think David is going anywhere.

And they were also commenting on the after game show that David was not considered by other players to be a leader.
 
I don't know if all this talk of David not being a leader is because the Texans are in such a funk or if it's true...I never heard this mentioned last year.

I think it's obvious to anybody that he's changed...most certainly he's more worried about being hit than he ever was before and that has caused problems with running out of bounds for losses and all the rest.

I keep hearing all this talk about how David's family was always at the Texans practices and that bothered some. I do believe I've seen that on some of the local sports shows. You know them showing him throwing to his small brothers and talking to his father.

I guess if they are going to pay his bonus they've already decided to keep him. You think the 610 guys would know if that was true or not. And I know that's what Rich Lord said.
 
Vinny said:
You couldn't have looked at it because I am in the play right now and the formation had no WR's lined up on the strong side. Both WR's were lined up on the left side of the field and Carr was looking at Gaffney the whole way. I'm not being critical of Carr on the play...just pointing out that you are not being straight with the other forum members on this play.
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if you look at the replay he might have took a quick look at aj on the left. diff to tell.

by the way i dont think carr had a particullary good game today. i thought he had chances to do a little more than he did today. especially in the first half. of course no one could of done much late once ind knew we had to throw.
 
here is a interesting stat. if you take away carr's first miserable game against buff, he has thrown for

8 td's and 3 int's.

his qb rating would be up around 90 also(thats just a guess)

he's doing exactly what caper and company have asked him to do.(except maybe that pass to bradford last week)
 
Fiddy said:
He didnt "scan the D" on the Gaffney TD, he locked onto Gaffney. That was his first read and he never looked away. He always does that. That is why Gaff had those big games when AJ was out but has become non-existent now because he is on the middle reads. Carr locks onto his first read and then if that is not open, he dumps it down to the RB.
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I actually saw him check a few today because he had more time in this game due to Pitts doing a good job at OT.

Sit Carr, possibly, again no one is saying he does not have his mistakes but it seems the Carr haters dont want to hear about bad protection and dropped passes. DO you guys even aknowledge that?
 
Goldeagle said:
Sit Carr, possibly, again no one is saying he does not have his mistakes but it seems the Carr haters dont want to hear about bad protection and dropped passes. DO you guys even aknowledge that?
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I remember 3 times today when Carr had all time but got nervous and threw away the ball or ran out of the pocket. I remember another time where the ends collapsed the back of the pocket and Carr stepped scrambled when all he had to do is take one step up and throw the ball. He has no football IQ/Awareness...
 
watching the plays again on Fox Sunday he was not just staring at Gaffney but looking to his left then threw to Gaffney down the middle for the TD. Again, who cares, it was a TD
 
Fiddy said:
I remember 3 times today when Carr had all time but got nervous and threw away the ball or ran out of the pocket. I remember another time where the ends collapsed the back of the pocket and Carr stepped scrambled when all he had to do is take one step up and throw the ball. He has no football IQ/Awareness...
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or maybe he's been in a position of having no time and his coaches have taught him to either throw the ball or run after about 2 sec.
 
Goldeagle said:
watching the plays again on Fox Sunday he was not just staring at Gaffney but looking to his left then threw to Gaffney down the middle for the TD. Again, who cares, it was a TD
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It was a quick hitting play and Gaffney was wide open. There was no need to look anyone off on that play...this is pretty ridiculous. Carr locks on...its kinda known. Constant, non stop denials don't change anything.
 
Fiddy said:
I remember 3 times today when Carr had all time but got nervous and threw away the ball or ran out of the pocket. I remember another time where the ends collapsed the back of the pocket and Carr stepped scrambled when all he had to do is take one step up and throw the ball. He has no football IQ/Awareness...
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Again, he has made mistakes, but you haters or whatever dont seem to want to give him ANY credit on how he plays at all. If you cannot see this guy has talent, then it is like talking to a wall.

So I ask, do you not see the horrible protection, the dropped passes and all that? We end up 2-20 and we hand the ball off and get 2 yards, then what are we going to do? Derr, and defenses around the league know we are transparent about our play calling.


Ive also seen Bret Favre have all the time in the world and then just throw the ball out of the back of the endzone because no one was open.
 
Goldeagle said:
Again, he has made mistakes, but you haters or whatever dont seem to want to give him ANY credit on how he plays at all. If you cannot see this guy has talent, then it is like talking to a wall.
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He passes for 138 yards and you guys act like he had some great game. Get real folks!
 
:tv: Carr is the face of the franchise... on ESPN their advertising the Texans and the Chiefs . The say Dick Vermiels Chiefs are in Houston playing David Carr and the Texans . I guess it could'nt be Chad Stanley's Texans .
 
Vinny said:
He passes for 138 yards and you guys act like he had some great game. Get real folks!
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Given the design of the Texans offense and the lack of pass blocking in the O/L it could be classified that way. (LOL) Even when it appears Carr has time (that would be 3 seconds) it is often b/c we are max protecting and the defense is max covering.
 
Goldeagle says carr has talent and i agree 100 percent but does the name Jeff George ring a bell, that guy had all the talent in the world, he could throw a pass on the rope for 100 yards, but he mounted to nothing, just because carr has talent doesnt mean he's going to win games, i'm not going to hate on carr for this game only because they were playing arguably the best team in the league, but carr at the same time didn't show me anything either he performed about how i expected him to perform, when he had time in the pocket he was hesitant, and when he actually got rid of the football it didnt seem like he was throwing with any confidence, again he has talent, but talent never won football games..... i want carr to show me some leadership and effort, and not the leadership with him throwing his arms in the air after a sack, show me something, make a play!, thats all... again im not saying to draft another qb i want carr to stay for a while get a line and hopefully turn this ship around in the future, but if texans fans are waiting for a turn around this year it's not going to happen......


And boom goes the dynamite
 
I don't think anyone in their right mind would say he gets good protection from the line or any help from the "reciever" that drops almost every pass. This is probably why people don't state it because even those who know nothing about football can see that. I think he is an above average quarterback, but just tired of getting hammered and a little timid as well.
 
i agree with you on that, thats why i want to keep the guy, it's just frustrating to see him drop back for a pass go through his reads and get happy feet he needs protection and a healthy running game and this guy will take the league by storm i know it, he's a good quarterback and good quarterbacks are hard to come by in this league, maybe next year he'll have like what drew breese had a couple of years ago, where he just broke out and had a monster year, thats what i'm hoping for
 
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