2012 Walterfootball Mock Draft.

[otisbean]

Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

I remember seeing a quote about Stephen Hill saying the way to find diamonds in the rough at the WR position was to look for WRs from running teams and teams with bad QB play in college. They can typically run block very well (which is important for us) and are use to catching bad passes. Here's the link: http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp They have us taking him in rd 1 - HIGHLY doubt that but he might be worth a look in rd 3

I definitely could see 2 WRs in the first 4 rounds if the value is good. Personally, I think our draft may look more like WR, OG, BPA, BPA ect...

On a side note, Baylor has a wide body NT, Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, that performed very well during the Shriner game practice week. Supposedly very tough to block. Could be had in a later rd

 

[mussop]

I remember seeing a quote about Stephen Hill saying the way to find diamonds in the rough at the WR position was to look for WRs from running teams and teams with bad QB play in college. They can typically run block very well (which is important for us) and are use to catching bad passes. Here's the link: http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp They have us taking him in rd 1 - HIGHLY doubt that but he might be worth a look in rd 3

I definitely could see 2 WRs in the first 4 rounds if the value is good. Personally, I think our draft may look more like WR, OG, BPA, BPA ect...

On a side note, Baylor has a wide body NT, Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, that performed very well during the Shriner game practice week. Supposedly very tough to block. Could be had in a later rd

Jarrett Boykin WR 33 Virginia Tech

 

[steelbtexan]

Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

I like it, except give me Kaddu instead of Guyton.

I not only think that it's possible.

If I were making the call it would happen in the 3/4th rd. Hill is a Big WR who was the Georgia state sprint champion in high school.

 

[Playoffs]

I don't know how you pass on a guy with a name like,

Vontaze Burfict

Guaranteed to be a star with that name!

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

Hill is another very big WR who looks to have good straighline speed. Hands and route running are in question. Thought hw was a later round developmental type than a 3rd rounder.

 

[TimeKiller]

I remember seeing a quote about Stephen Hill saying the way to find diamonds in the rough at the WR position was to look for WRs from running teams and teams with bad QB play in college. They can typically run block very well (which is important for us) and are use to catching bad passes. Here's the link: http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1_17-32.asp They have us taking him in rd 1 - HIGHLY doubt that but he might be worth a look in rd 3

I definitely could see 2 WRs in the first 4 rounds if the value is good. Personally, I think our draft may look more like WR, OG, BPA, BPA ect...

On a side note, Baylor has a wide body NT, Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, that performed very well during the Shriner game practice week. Supposedly very tough to block. Could be had in a later rd

I picked him I think in the 5th of my last mock. He's listed with like a 5.0 40 yard dash as a 320 pound guy. That's disgusting. I think he probably gets looked at by a lot of teams, not just the Texans

I'd rather have Streeter as far as Walter's mock goes. He seems like a very, very athletic...very, very raw talent. Like a mega Jacoby Jones, bigger, possibly faster...I've only seen one highlight reel of him and it wasn't impressive but the physical assets are interesting.

 

[aussie_texan]

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012hou.php

check out this! givens an in-depth look into the texans and what they need to do over the off-season.

nothing we didnt know already though

 

[ObsiWan]

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012hou.php

check out this! givens an in-depth look into the texans and what they need to do over the off-season.

nothing we didnt know already though

Rackers is a "four star" kicker?
who knew...?

Neil Rackers, K, Texans. Age: 36.

Neil Rackers' field-goal percentages over the past four years: 89.3, 94.1, 90.0 and 84.2. He's 7-of-9 from 50-plus in the previous two seasons. Only his age (36) is a concern.

Thanks for the link though...
Interesting stuff

 

[WolverineFan]

Walter updated his mock again on 01-25-12.

1. Alshon Jeffery-WR
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Stephen Hill-WR
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

The only change is Stephen Hill-WR from Georgia Tech instead of Tommy Streeter. Anyone know anything about Stephen Hill? Anyone think it's possible that we take 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds?

Hill is basically a less talented Demaryius Thomas. I would prefer a guy like Streeter, but to be honest I don't think we need 2 WR's in the first 4 rounds.

 

[Wolf6151]

Walter has another update as of 02-01-12.

1. Peter Knoz-C
2. Josh Chapman-NT
3. Tommy Streeter-WR
4. Marvin McNutt-WR

Looks pretty good to me but I have my doubts that Streeter and McNutt fall this far.

 

[Brandon420tx]

I've been moving away from walters site as it pertains to draft analysis.
Also, in his latest draft, he doesn't think Dwight Jones is worth a pick in the first 4 rounds (I know he forgot about him, but I thought it was funny)

 

[thunderkyss]

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012hou.php

check out this! givens an in-depth look into the texans and what they need to do over the off-season.

nothing we didnt know already though

Nose Tackle: This is the only weakness in Houston's front seven. The team needs a new nose tackle. Players who fit Wade Phillips' scheme possibly available in the second round are Josh Chapman and Brandon Thompson. The Texans also need defensive end depth, but acquiring a new nose tackle will allow Earl Mitchell to move outside.

I still do not understand this. We were the #2 ranked defense, #3 against the pass, #4 against the run.... Wade repeatedly says he doesn't need a big guy to play the nose. Wade says his NT will play the 1 gap... will be a penetrator.

 

[Wolf6151]

I've been moving away from walters site as it pertains to draft analysis.
Also, in his latest draft, he doesn't think Dwight Jones is worth a pick in the first 4 rounds (I know he forgot about him, but I thought it was funny)

He's got Dwight Jones going #122 in the 4th round to New Orleans, one pick after we take Marvin McNutt at #121.

 

[SAMURAITEXAN]

He's got Dwight Jones going #122 in the 4th round to New Orleans, one pick after we take Marvin McNutt at #121.

He Mc be Nutts!! Sorry, I had to go there.

 

[steelbtexan]

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I still do not understand this. We were the #2 ranked defense, #3 against the pass, #4 against the run.... Wade repeatedly says he doesn't need a big guy to play the nose. Wade says his NT will play the 1 gap... will be a penetrator.

Sounds like the Texans will be drafting Mike Martin in rd 3/4.

 

[badboy]

He's got Dwight Jones going #122 in the 4th round to New Orleans, one pick after we take Marvin McNutt at #121.

If only either of those two fall that far, I'd take either, in fact probably try to trade back up into 4th to take both. I have them in 2nd.

 

[aussie_texan]

If only either of those two fall that far, I'd take either, in fact probably try to trade back up into 4th to take both. I have them in 2nd.

someone has to fall and it could be these guys.

I'm now hoping broyles slips down to the 4th because i see him as our future slot receiver. imo his a slightly bigger wright with slightly less speed but still very quick

 

[badboy]

someone has to fall and it could be these guys.

I'm now hoping broyles slips down to the 4th because i see him as our future slot receiver. imo his a slightly bigger wright with slightly less speed but still very quick

Jones and McNutt are solid second round selections and Broyles due to injury recovery time may fall to fourth. Players will not fall more than one round unless combine failure with few exceptions. For example if WR Jordan White moved into the second round all players below him just move down one spot.

 

[thunderkyss]

Jones and McNutt are solid second round selections and Broyles due to injury recovery time may fall to fourth. Players will not fall more than one round unless combine failure with few exceptions. For example if WR Jordan White moved into the second round all players below him just move down one spot.

Talent wise, how do you think these guys stack up against guys like Lestar Jean & Jeff Maehl?

 

[badboy]

Talent wise, how do you think these guys stack up against guys like Lestar Jean & Jeff Maehl?

I just have not seen enough of Maehl or Jean although both seem to have enough to stick on roster or PS. I 've just seen more of this draft's WRs than these two.

 

[Naiirb]

New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

 

[Insideop]

New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Have to agree about Floyd. Don't think the Texans will touch him even though he may be better than Jeffery, Sanu, and Wright. And I doubt they go WR in the first 2 rounds also. They've been having the Texans pick Chapman in the 2nd round for quite awhile now so I'm wondering what has made his stock fall. I know he had an injury (knee I think) during the season that he played through. Did he have surgery since the bowl game?

 

[Insideop]

New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Have to agree about Floyd. Don't think the Texans will touch him even though he may be better than Jeffery, Sanu, and Wright. And I doubt they go WR in the first 2 rounds also. They've been having the Texans pick Chapman in the 2nd round for quite awhile now so I'm wondering what has made his stock fall. I know he had an injury (knee I think) during the season that he played through. Did he have surgery since the bowl game?

 

[aussie_texan]

New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

If we got floyd i will be ecstatic. easily my favourite player in the draft. but just havnt talked about him to much because i thought he would be out of reach and still do.

and i don't think houston will pass on him. his a team player with a couple of DUI no real big issue. his cleaned up his image this year a lot so i think houston would take him.

 

[Dutchrudder]

New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Floyd would be the ideal pick, as I think he's the second best WR in the draft, but I don't see him getting past the Browns @ 22. There are plenty of teams from 10-22 that would like to snatch up good WRs. Toon's kinda meh to me. He just doesn't strike me as a second round talent, although this is the later part of the round. Plus he was in the Big 10, and that was probably the worst big conference last year. I'd rather go o-line here. His teammate Zeitler would be ideal.

Chapman in the 3rd is also nice as he was mocked quite a bit as our 2nd round pick. Dunno what made him fall in Walter's eyes over the last couple weeks. I like the Guyton pick too, as we do need some DE depth.

 

[b0ng]

New mock up

1. Michael Floyd-WR
2. Nick Toon-WR
3. Josh Chapman-NT
4. Trevor Guyton-DE/DT

I would be ecstatic if Floyd is there a #26 but afraid Texans would pass him up due to his DUI and legal problems of the past. Not Feeling Toon in the 2nd round and going back to back WR. Would prefer some d-line or o-line depth in the 2nd.

Is it sad that I would rather the Texans pick up guys with weed charges than guys with DUI's? Seems like the weed guys fall far in the draft and then overperform a lot of the time.

 

[badboy]

Floyd would be the ideal pick, as I think he's the second best WR in the draft, but I don't see him getting past the Browns @ 22. There are plenty of teams from 10-22 that would like to snatch up good WRs. Toon's kinda meh to me. He just doesn't strike me as a second round talent, although this is the later part of the round. Plus he was in the Big 10, and that was probably the worst big conference last year. I'd rather go o-line here. His teammate Zeitler would be ideal.

Chapman in the 3rd is also nice as he was mocked quite a bit as our 2nd round pick. Dunno what made him fall in Walter's eyes over the last couple weeks. I like the Guyton pick too, as we do need some DE depth.

Agree on all points. Floyd #2 WR but three alcohol issues hard to over look for Texans. If he can prove sobriety AND a support system, maybe. My current personal mock is Wright, Zeitler and Chapman. I think Chapman's ACL was reason he dropped but was reason I now mock him in 3rd as unaware until injury brought out after his season. Ok With Guyton but I like Wolfe better and is my 4th with Jordan White in 5th.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Agree on all points. Floyd #2 WR but three alcohol issues hard to over look for Texans. If he can prove sobriety AND a support system, maybe. My current personal mock is Wright, Zeitler and Chapman. I think Chapman's ACL was reason he dropped but was reason I now mock him in 3rd as unaware until injury brought out after his season. Ok With Guyton but I like Wolfe better and is my 4th with Jordan White in 5th.

Chapman tore his ACL? When did this happen??

 

[badboy]

Chapman tore his ACL? When did this happen??

It was posted in one of the threads (mock or NFl forum I think). It stood out to me as he continued to play on it allegedly and I have done battle with many on MB all season as I did not see Chapman being as good as they did. He had little lateral movement and almost no drive into line if blocked. ANd I focused on him all season wanting to see what I was missing. Now how he played on that type of injury is a mystery. I 'll see if I can link but going to bed soon.

 

[badboy]

Chapman tore his ACL? When did this happen??

Here you go: http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/josh_chapman_played_most_of_20.html

missed the Georgia Southern game to rest his injured knee
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/chapman_josh00.html

 

[Insideop]

Walter updated again 2/22/12. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNEhsVlu5WmVeTBfBlePXKEUTYkxPA&cad=rja

They have the Texans taking:
1. Alshon Jeffrey, WR, South Carolina
2. Joe Adams, WR/KR, Arkansas
3. Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise St
4. Josh Kaddu, DE/OLB, Oregon

Not sure I would be happy with the Jeffrey pick. I guess it'll depend on what he does at the Combine. The rest are OK but I don't like getting back to back WR in the 1st and 2nd. If they get one in the 1st I hope they wait until the 4th or 5th to get another one. I'd rather go after a NT or LB in the 2nd.

 

[beerlover]

Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing. I'm not convinced he is full time starter material? I think he will be successful with more pieces around him & shows the discipline & work ethic to improve. He reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress but thicker. Plex ran 4.59 @ his combine, expect something similar from AJ.

Nothing new you ask yourself? Apparently not, pulled this from an old clip circa 2000 & this is what was said about him "As long as Burress has been draft-eligible--and probably longer--whispers have echoed about his undeveloped work ethic. Some scouts see a receiver with the ability to dominate his position but who doesn't seem to show up for every game, let alone every play.

"He has the tools," says one scouting consultant who asked for anonymity. "The problem is his concentration."

So there it is. The Question will be how well does this coaching staff reach out to him & squeeze out every ounce of his talent? We will not know what goes on behind close doors/workouts, but my guess is if he meets or exceeds the Texans requirements & he has a great interview with them, if available? I would have no problem with the pick nor would the draft world in general.

Throw in Joe Adams, there is the other guy to surround him with. A deep threat to be reckoned with. I've almost convinced myself to take Adams if the Jeffery/Wright/Floyd are all off the board #26.... this is also my mock draft pick for the Texans in the 2nd rd.

Very disappointed in Billy Winn @ the Senior Bowl. He doesn't look ready to compete at the next level. Liked him in games but maybe it was just the system & level of competition faced? In the Senior Bowl he was pushed aside, abused & anything else you can think of. Give me LaMichael James, RB, Oregon (looking at their list) he would be our new kick-off & punt returner, plus might prove a valuable 3rd down option out of the backfield as well straight up RB depth since Texans need to clear cap space (Ward is a FA).

Josh Kaddu is an interesting prospect. Good speed would be a back-up OLB & special teams player. Great work ethic, high motor, fits club just gets after it. Personally I would make a change again & target Nate Potter, OT/LG Boise State. Actually already mocked him in earlier edition to Texans in the 3rd rd. So 4th would be plus value in my view instead of reaching, he could kick inside to LG seems like his natural fit, ZBS type of OL not big but fast, smart & competitive.

 

[Corrosion]

Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing.

This is why A.Jeffery would be my pick if he were still on the board @ 26.
The Texans dont have a problem moving the ball between the 20's , its those redzone possessions ending in FG's that are the problem and I think Jeffery solves many of those issues when coupled with AJ , OD and Walter.

I want one of Jeffery or Floyd @ 26 or Randel in the second .... pre combine.


Interested to see how Dwight Jones (North Carolina) & Brian Quick (Appalachian St.) run at the combine ..... as they could likely be had in the later rounds and fulfill that same role in compressed situations.

 

[Rey]

This is why A.Jeffery would be my pick if he were still on the board @ 26.
The Texans dont have a problem moving the ball between the 20's , its those redzone possessions ending in FG's that are the problem and I think Jeffery solves many of those issues when coupled with AJ , OD and Walter.

I want one of Jeffery or Floyd @ 26 or Randel in the second .... pre combine.


Interested to see how Dwight Jones (North Carolina) & Brian Quick (Appalachian St.) run at the combine ..... as they could likely be had in the later rounds and fulfill that same role in compressed situations.

The problem with the Red Zone passing has been the QB's IMHO.

We have big receivers. We have guys good at getting into the holes in Zones. KW is a good box out catcher that is good in short yardage. OD, Dreesen....Of course AJ...Jacoby is a screw up, but he can make plays from time to time...

When the field gets shorter the QB has to be able to put the ball into tight spaces consistently and as much as I like Matt that has been my biggest concern about his game. Screw any other short coming he may have...He is not a good red zone passer.

When we score in the Red Zone it is mostly Arian Foster.

As far as taking Alshon at 26...I'd be thrilled about that. I think he has the potential to be a beast, but my only concern is his development. How will he handle being a pro.

If they went with Randle I'd be excited as well. I'd be ok with Sanu. Really there isn't a guy that I'd be pissed about. WR or otherwise.

 

[Doppelganger]

Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing. I'm not convinced he is full time starter material? I think he will be successful with more pieces around him & shows the discipline & work ethic to improve. He reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress but thicker. Plex ran 4.59 @ his combine, expect something similar from AJ.

Nothing new you ask yourself? Apparently not, pulled this from an old clip circa 2000 & this is what was said about him "As long as Burress has been draft-eligible--and probably longer--whispers have echoed about his undeveloped work ethic. Some scouts see a receiver with the ability to dominate his position but who doesn't seem to show up for every game, let alone every play.

I think the main issue for Jeffrey will be weight and speed. There are rumors the man has ballooned up into the 250lb range. And that was not doing the buffet circuit, that was prior to his senior year. If he really is around 250lbs and puts up an iffy 40 time, I want no part of him. At the NFL level the successful guys aren't the ones with the most talent, but the guys who put in the work off the field becuase they LOVE the game. The NFL combine is a job interview. Showing up out of shape tells me that he doesn't LOVE the game.

My favorite example is Zach Taylor. Coming out of college he was an undersized LB with decent talent. But he put in the time off the field and ate, drank, and slept football. He ended up being an 8 time probowler and likely Hall of Famer. THAT's the guy I want, not some guy who couldn't be bothered to show up in game shape ready to go.

 

[SteveSlaton20]

I would love Alshon at 26. Honestly, I think he would be a steal if we got him there. He's got balls skills you can't teach(no puns intended), and would take away double teams from AJ. Joe Adams would make it even more awesome, would be a great slot receiver and would replace JJ for good, at least at PR. He could change the slot receiver with KW tho, and I think KW will be at his normal postiton, and is probably a better blocker.

 

[SteveSlaton20]

I think the main issue for Jeffrey will be weight and speed. There are rumors the man has ballooned up into the 250lb range. And that was not doing the buffet circuit, that was prior to his senior year. If he really is around 250lbs and puts up an iffy 40 time, I want no part of him. At the NFL level the successful guys aren't the ones with the most talent, but the guys who put in the work off the field becuase they LOVE the game. The NFL combine is a job interview. Showing up out of shape tells me that he doesn't LOVE the game.

My favorite example is Zach Taylor. Coming out of college he was an undersized LB with decent talent. But he put in the time off the field and ate, drank, and slept football. He ended up being an 8 time probowler and likely Hall of Famer. THAT's the guy I want, not some guy who couldn't be bothered to show up in game shape ready to go.

Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine

 

[Maddict5]

Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine

then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line

i dont think we should draft him... because of his name. ppl will shorten it to aj also..

it will be another JJ (watt/joseph/jacoby) mess all over again and i wont stand for it goddammit!

 

[Playoffs]

I love that Cinncinnati is always projected to take a guy with an arrest record.

then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line.

Exactly.

 

[Doppelganger]

Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine

then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line

Agreed. The other issue to consider is he had a pretty poor Senior year at South Carolina. Prior to this season he was talked about as a rival to Justin Blackmon as the first WR to be taken in the draft. Then he had a poor senior season. Was it weight related, poor work ethic, poor QB? A lot of questions.

Here is a picture of him at South Carolina's Senior Day. Still looks like he has some excess weight around the stomach.

 

[SteveSlaton20]

He weighed in at 216.