2012 NFL Draft Game- Texans 1st rounder

[rmartin65]

I know this is early everyone, but this is just for fun. Name 3 players that you think the Texans may pick in the first round. Winner gets rep (if possible) from the other participants.

I see this as a fun way to give people targets for who to watch next year.

Now, with the intro out of the way, allow me to begin. I think that the Texans make the playoffs for the first time in franchise history, and pick in the mid 20s. There, I believe the Texans look for OL help.

1) My first target for the Texans is none other than Iowa State OG Kelechi Osemele:

At 6'5" 335 lbs, Osemele is a mountain of a man, with surprising agility. He plays tackle for Iowa State, but I think he will be an excellent candidate to play OG in the pros. I am telling you this now; he will grade nearly as highly as Iupati did a couple years ago. I see that kind of combination of athleticism, size, nastiness, and intelligence when I watch this player.

2) My 2nd target for the Texans is Oklahoma OC Ben Habern:

While OC is not the dire need we once thought, it could stand to be upgraded in the near future.

3) My final guess is a little bit of a sleeper- Washington DT Alameda Ta'amu:

At 6'3" 330 lbs, Ta'amu is more of a traditionally sized NT, so obviously this pick is contingent on Wade's "small but quick" type NT failing us. Ta'amu is down to a good weight (330 as opposed to the 350+ he was), and has a good first step.

Alright, who do you all have?

 

[badboy]

I really have not looked very deep into 2011 college rosters, but like Ta'amu. I am looking forward to the college season even more. This draft has returned not only the hope I used to have but much of the excitement. Depending on FAs that we can only speculate on, I would like to focus next draft on a linebacker to train behind Demeco, a Dlineman to replace Smith. (It is possible that Mario will be gone after this season & Watt can replace him). I want wide receiver and as the corner spots are in such flux, I'd draft another one of those. Hopefully, of course, Harris will be a starter and KJ will be salvaged as he has the body/speed and can be re-trained. Even if McMannis is good and Carmichael develops into what I think he can be, I still want to keep rotating good young players into the corner mill. A nose like TA'amu should be on the list. I too want a solid Olineman & for now prefer an OG as I think Butler can play tackle.

BPA draft for once in our history.

 

[beerlover]

Sure like those picks, very nice 65. OL/DL are often heavy positions late in the first round used by playoff teams to fortify aging lines & protect or attack franchise QB's. I'm going out on a limb, a big heavy trunk of a limb that with Wade as our DC along with infusion of defensive prospects through 2011 draft Texans might want to target a big time weapon opposite Andre Johnson. For all the reasons why in my first Texan mock I had them selecting Julio Jones.

Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, late 1st rd. grade, cut in the mold of Julio Jones both around 6-3 215, both similar vertical 38"-39", developing as excellent route runner & solid blocker. Coached by former Texans assistant Head Coach Mike Sherman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok4Jb1xDlLE

 

[steelbtexan]

None,

They will use their 2012 1st rd pick on Micheal Floyd in the supplemental draft.

Reasoning: The Texans need a deep threat opposite AJ and if the Texans dont win this yr then Rick and Gary will be gone anyway. So they take Floyd who if they make the playoffs will be a better player than anybody they could pick between 24-32 in the 2012 draft.

 

[nero THE zero]

I think we'll be pretty hot on an OLB. Barwin's still not back from his injury and I just don't expect much from Reed.

 

[Dutchrudder]

I think we go Wide Receiver next year, unless we get a great #2 in free agency. Other potential needs, NT, DE if Mario leaves, RB if Foster leaves, TE if Owen gets hurt again... lots of IFs.

Anyways, I'll throw out a few hopefuls:

Justin Blackmon WR OK State

Ryan Broyles WR OU

Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M

Any of these guys would be great to have as a #2 in the Texans offense! Yes, the theme of the pictures was intentional

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

 

[rmartin65]

None,

They will use their 2012 1st rd pick on Micheal Floyd in the supplemental draft.

Reasoning: The Texans need a deep threat opposite AJ and if the Texans dont win this yr then Rick and Gary will be gone anyway. So they take Floyd who if they make the playoffs will be a better player than anybody they could pick between 24-32 in the 2012 draft.

This is something I could see, something I would like to see. Floyd is very much in the mold of AJ, not quite the freak, but he is built very solidly and has good hands. If he is in the Supp. Draft, then I have absolutely no qualms taking him there. He would bring instant impact.

Now that I am thinking about it, I think this has a very good chance of happening.

 

[BigBull17]

Andrew Luck

 

[Dutchrudder]

Andrew Luck

 

[Dutchrudder]

This is something I could see, something I would like to see. Floyd is very much in the mold of AJ, not quite the freak, but he is built very solidly and has good hands. If he is in the Supp. Draft, then I have absolutely no qualms taking him there. He would bring instant impact.

Now that I am thinking about it, I think this has a very good chance of happening.

Is he really worth a first round pick though? I don't think I have ever heard of any team using higher than a 3rd round pick in it.

 

[Ndevine7]

Is he really worth a first round pick though? I don't think I have ever heard of any team using higher than a 3rd round pick in it.

I have heard reports of Floyd being a potential 1st round pick in 2012.
My Top 3 for Next year would be

Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama (hopefully we do not have a chance to get him do to having a a 20ish draft pick)

Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M (Wanted to put Justin Blackmon but think he has another monster season and gets drafted way before us. Fuller would be a very solid 2nd WR who could blossom into a 1 when Dre leaves)

Cliff Harris CB Oregon (I like Brandon Harris but dont know if he is anything more then a nickel back. Signing a veteran is a key but Harris is a very solid CB who could form a good duo with KJ)

 

[rmartin65]

I have heard reports of Floyd being a potential 1st round pick in 2012.
My Top 3 for Next year would be

Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama (hopefully we do not have a chance to get him do to having a a 20ish draft pick)

Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M (Wanted to put Justin Blackmon but think he has another monster season and gets drafted way before us. Fuller would be a very solid 2nd WR who could blossom into a 1 when Dre leaves)

Cliff Harris CB Oregon (I like Brandon Harris but dont know if he is anything more then a nickel back. Signing a veteran is a key but Harris is a very solid CB who could form a good duo with KJ)

2 corners? We already have a plethora of young corners on the roster, I want to stay away from the position for the next draft or two. Unless an absolute, day 1 number 1 corner drops to us.

As far as Floyd in the first- he is a first round talent, I think it is hard to dispute that. A 230 lbs receiver that can run and catch like him? Whoa, he has elite potential. While the last decade or so has not seen a lot of high supp picks, the 80's and 90's saw 7 1st round picks used.

 

[Mr teX]

Sure like those picks, very nice 65. OL/DL are often heavy positions late in the first round used by playoff teams to fortify aging lines & protect or attack franchise QB's. I'm going out on a limb, a big heavy trunk of a limb that with Wade as our DC along with infusion of defensive prospects through 2011 draft Texans might want to target a big time weapon opposite Andre Johnson. For all the reasons why in my first Texan mock I had them selecting Julio Jones.

Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, late 1st rd. grade, cut in the mold of Julio Jones both around 6-3 215, both similar vertical 38"-39", developing as excellent route runner & solid blocker. Coached by former Texans assistant Head Coach Mike Sherman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok4Jb1xDlLE

I like how this man thinks!!!!!!!

 

[Ndevine7]

2 corners? We already have a plethora of young corners on the roster, I want to stay away from the position for the next draft or two. Unless an absolute, day 1 number 1 corner drops to us.

As far as Floyd in the first- he is a first round talent, I think it is hard to dispute that. A 230 lbs receiver that can run and catch like him? Whoa, he has elite potential. While the last decade or so has not seen a lot of high supp picks, the 80's and 90's saw 7 1st round picks used.

I agree with you but i just feel we dont have a true 1/2 CB. We have KJ and with Quin moving to FS who is going to step in and be the 2 CB. Unless you think Harris/Carmichael are the long term solution i think they need to address the CB position one more time. Even if you sign a veteran CB how long are they going to be productive for anyway?

 

[Ndevine7]

another name to consider is Kenny Tate S from Maryland 6'4 220. I watched him all last season and he really impressed me. Couldve been a 2nd/3rd round pick had he declared this season but decided to go back to school. Could easily become a late first round pick this season. If the Texans make the playoffs and have some success i could easily see them getting Tate who would be there and could play SS if Nolan doesnt pan out there (assuming we do not sign a S in FA such as Weddle)

 

[badboy]

2 corners? We already have a plethora of young corners on the roster, I want to stay away from the position for the next draft or two. Unless an absolute, day 1 number 1 corner drops to us.

As far as Floyd in the first- he is a first round talent, I think it is hard to dispute that. A 230 lbs receiver that can run and catch like him? Whoa, he has elite potential. While the last decade or so has not seen a lot of high supp picks, the 80's and 90's saw 7 1st round picks used.

By the end of next season & maybe before I feel we will have a clearer understanding of many of the corners now on roster. It is possible that McMannis, Jason Allen, Carmichael, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain & ANtwan Moldin could have lost their welcome. It should be a make or break season for all but Allen. KJ is a first round but if he does not recover I can hear fans calling him Okoye. In that case the corner will remain a bleeding wound that needs to be (ad)dressed.

 

[awtysst]

By the end of next season & maybe before I feel we will have a clearer understanding of many of the corners now on roster. It is possible that McMannis, Jason Allen, Carmichael, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain & ANtwan Moldin could have lost their welcome. It should be a make or break season for all but Allen. KJ is a first round but if he does not recover I can hear fans calling him Okoye. In that case the corner will remain a bleeding wound that needs to be (ad)dressed.

McManis was a low round rook last year no way he is gone. Allen was a solid CB pickup, I don't see him going anywhere. KJ would have to have another horrific year, but then again he is a first rounder, so they may give him an extra year to iron out his issues. McCain and Moulden I think are gone this year. Harris basically takes McCain's spot and Moulden is gone due to Keo taking his ST spot.

 

[steelbtexan]

McManis was a low round rook last year no way he is gone. Allen was a solid CB pickup, I don't see him going anywhere. KJ would have to have another horrific year, but then again he is a first rounder, so they may give him an extra year to iron out his issues. McCain and Moulden I think are gone this year. Harris basically takes McCain's spot and Moulden is gone due to Keo taking his ST spot.

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This

I still think a vet CB like Taylor is on the Texans radar in FA and yes, whatever vet is signed in FA will be toung enough to play for 4-5 yrs. This will allow Harris and Carmicheal time to learn the NFL game. Wish Jackson had been broken in this way and hope he hasn't been permenantly damaged. This is why CB shouldn't be a priority in the 2012 draft.

If the Texans are going to be a playoff team in 2012 then Floyd is better than any talent that would be picked late in the 1st rd. If I were Rick and Gary I would take Floyd and hope he helped save my job.

If you think the Texans are going to miss the playoffs and there will be a new HC next yr. Then passing on Floyd would be the way to go.

I would use the pick on Floyd and hope for the best. But Gary still wont be able to get the Texans to the playoffs next yr. He's a joke. IMHO

But i'm sure Wade will enjoy the talent base Gary left him.

 

[rmartin65]

If the Texans are going to be a playoff team in 2012 then Floyd is better than any talent that would be picked late in the 1st rd. If I were Rick and Gary I would take Floyd and hope he helped save my job.

If you think the Texans are going to miss the playoffs and there will be a new HC next yr. Then passing on Floyd would be the way to go.

I would use the pick on Floyd and hope for the best. But Gary still wont be able to get the Texans to the playoffs next yr. He's a joke. IMHO

But i'm sure Wade will enjoy the talent base Gary left him.

There is the question of whether or not Floyd enters the supplemental draft. There is a decent chance he skips in the hopes of increasing his stock during the season.

I think with the revamped D and if the Texans do land Floyd that the playoffs are a near certainty (barring injuries), especially if we acquire a starting CB and/or starting FS in FA.

AJ and Floyd instantly become one of the most dangerous duos in the league. Both are so damn hard to tackle. Schaub can get them the ball. The OL should remain unchanged, and while it is not spectacular, it is certainly adequate. Foster and Tate should dominate again following Leach (he better be resigned), and OD and Casey/Graham/Dreeson will dominate over the middle of the field.

On D, there are a few more worries. NT is one, but the Texans have a strong set of DEs to hopefully cover for that. Linebacker is looking solid. With the FA acquisitions, I hope the defensive backfield is not a huge problem.

I am feeling pretty good about the Texans this year, and Gary would have to do a terrible job next season to curb that enthusiasm.

 

[beerlover]

If there are any off filed issues, character flaws or red flags Texans will take him off their board, even a blue chip talent like Micheal Floyd, history tells us it just ain't happening.

 

[badboy]

^^^^

This

I still think a vet CB like Taylor is on the Texans radar in FA and yes, whatever vet is signed in FA will be toung enough to play for 4-5 yrs. This will allow Harris and Carmicheal time to learn the NFL game. Wish Jackson had been broken in this way and hope he hasn't been permenantly damaged. This is why CB shouldn't be a priority in the 2012 draft.

If the Texans are going to be a playoff team in 2012 then Floyd is better than any talent that would be picked late in the 1st rd. If I were Rick and Gary I would take Floyd and hope he helped save my job.

If you think the Texans are going to miss the playoffs and there will be a new HC next yr. Then passing on Floyd would be the way to go.

I would use the pick on Floyd and hope for the best. But Gary still wont be able to get the Texans to the playoffs next yr. He's a joke. IMHO

But i'm sure Wade will enjoy the talent base Gary left him.

This I agree with and kind of supports my post. If we do sign a vet CB for long term that is one spot. Harris takes the other if not then the slot. McMannis and KJ will both have two years behind them at end of season and need to have not just a good season but a very good season. We go with the 3 and be able to go corner in draft even if we get the WR in Supplemental and give up a fist. If team at other positons do well (OLB and FS) especially if FLoyd is a successfull #2, we can go BPA or Corner in 1st or second round and still get a decent back up in second or third and there could be another free agency signing in 2012. I am really hopeful that coaching will benfit all our d backs.

 

[steelbtexan]

If there are any off filed issues, character flaws or red flags Texans will take him off their board, even a blue chip talent like Micheal Floyd, history tells us it just ain't happening.

Agreed

But history also says this franchise on field product has stunk for almost a decade.

Maybe uncle BoB will realize that talent trumps chior boys. If he's serious about his team making the playoffs. (Doubt it)

Floyd only has a drinking problem. Maybe he's a functioning BL. Many like myself and others can relate. LOL

 

[beerlover]

Agreed

But history also says this franchise on field product has stunk for almost a decade.

Maybe uncle BoB will realize that talent trumps chior boys. If he's serious about his team making the playoffs. (Doubt it)

Floyd only has a drinking problem. Maybe he's a functioning BL. Many like myself and others can relate. LOL

This is lesson learned. Even heard Rick speak to it in his presser before the draft. If it's isolated event (which this is not, like Jimmy Smith) he stated, everybody is entitled to a mistake, but when there is a pattern of abuse or misjudgement then its a problem.

PS there are some excellent undrafted players who are worth a look, including DeAndre McDaniel, but teams really value clean backgrounds, otherwise no way this guy goes undrafted, he's too damn good on the field.

 

[Wolf6151]

My 3 picks for the 1st round of 2012 draft.

1. Kerry Murphy-NT Alabama
2. Janzen Jackson-FS Tennessee
3. Rashard Hall-FS Clemson

I was looking at Walterfootball for next years prospects and the 2012 draft should be great for Safeties, lots of good ones.

 

[Señor Stan]

Is he really worth a first round pick though? I don't think I have ever heard of any team using higher than a 3rd round pick in it.

Say hello to my little friend!

Dude took Tony Hollings, with a 2nd round pick! Not just any 2nd round pick, but the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round.

 

[Blake]

Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame

 

[Ndevine7]

Say hello to my little friend!

Dude took Tony Hollings, with a 2nd round pick! Not just any 2nd round pick, but the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round.

there has been multiple 2nd round picks such as already mentioned Tony Hollings, but also Jamal Williams (DT SD), Mike Wahle (OT GB) and if i remember correctly i believe the Giants drafted Dave Brown (QB) with a first round supplemental pick. Brown did not have any character concerns so he was justified taking with a 1st.

 

[Ndevine7]

Hypothetically speaking say we make the playoffs next year and are drafting in the 21st pick area. As of right now my top players that could be available there in positions of need are
WR
Jeff Fuller

Ryan Broyles

Mohamed Sanu

3-4OLB(if either barwin/reed fails there)
Donte Paige-Moss

Courtney Upshaw

 

[badboy]

Say hello to my little friend!

Dude took Tony Hollings, with a 2nd round pick! Not just any 2nd round pick, but the 1st overall pick in the 2nd round.

Didn't he also draft a QB low and then trade same to Dallas for a higher pick?

 

[Ndevine7]

CB(assuming we do not sign a FA and Jackson shows little improvement)
Cliff Harris

Alfonzo Dennard

Desmond Trufant

S
Kenny Tate

T.J. McDonald

 

[Ndevine7]

Didn't he also draft a QB low and then trade same to Dallas for a higher pick?

The majority of Casserly's picks have been questionable

 

[beerlover]

Cliff Harris is the best CB in the nation, IMO. that pick he made before halftime, in the BCS game against Auburn, they called him out of bounds was sick, NFL spectacular, so good I guess nobody could believe he could make that play? should have reviewed it, what a shame, it would have made that game even closer than it already was.

 

[Texan4Ever]

Courtney Upshaw, OLB

He's a 6'2" 265-lbs linebacker who can fit our 3-4 scheme and play in the mold of LaMarr Woodley.

 

[painekiller]

Sure like those picks, very nice 65. OL/DL are often heavy positions late in the first round used by playoff teams to fortify aging lines & protect or attack franchise QB's. I'm going out on a limb, a big heavy trunk of a limb that with Wade as our DC along with infusion of defensive prospects through 2011 draft Texans might want to target a big time weapon opposite Andre Johnson. For all the reasons why in my first Texan mock I had them selecting Julio Jones.

Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, late 1st rd. grade, cut in the mold of Julio Jones both around 6-3 215, both similar vertical 38"-39", developing as excellent route runner & solid blocker. Coached by former Texans assistant Head Coach Mike Sherman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok4Jb1xDlLE

I wanted us to take Julie Jones, he was already gone by our pick and they were never looking at him. So Fuller is the current top of my list. Fuller fits what we do perfectly.

 

[Nawzer]

Perhaps we will draft a punter.

 

[beerlover]

Just found this interesting tid bit via Todd McShay, who has the Texans selecting Miami Hurricane Safety Ray-Ray Armstrong. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...odd-mcshay-says-houston-texans-nab-top-safety

After loading up the defensive front this year, the Texans could be in the market for a playmaker in the secondary next year. Armstrong has steadily improved in the past two years and has been the No. 1 ball hawk for the Hurricanes. He would be a perfect fit for Wade Phillips' scheme, which puts as much pressure on its safeties as it does the corners in zone looks.

 

[b0ng]

If there are any off filed issues, character flaws or red flags Texans will take him off their board, even a blue chip talent like Micheal Floyd, history tells us it just ain't happening.

You know what 2 2011 draft picks I think fell under this? Nick Fairley and Prince Amukamara.

 

[beerlover]

You know what 2 2011 draft picks I think fell under this? Nick Fairley and Prince Amukamara.

yeah, I don't think McShay knows how Texan Board takes these issues into consideration, he just looks at what needs they have on the field with most dynamic playmaker.

 

[rmartin65]

Just found this interesting tid bit via Todd McShay, who has the Texans selecting Miami Hurricane Safety Ray-Ray Armstrong. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...odd-mcshay-says-houston-texans-nab-top-safety

Want. Armstrong is a beast, and I would be very happy if he is the pick.

 

[badboy]

Want. Armstrong is a beast, and I would be very happy if he is the pick.

Ah, but will he be best player available?

 

[rmartin65]

Ah, but will he be best player available?

Certainly could be. I could see him being a top 15 player, depending on how the season goes down.

 

[badboy]

SS in top 15 better be outstanding. Just don't see Houston going safety in first. Either a WR or ILB to replace Ryan eventually.

 

[rmartin65]

SS in top 15 better be outstanding. Just don't see Houston going safety in first. Either a WR or ILB to replace Ryan eventually.

He is.

I dont exactly know what to expect in the draft next year. Could go safety, could go WR, could go OL, could go ILB, and could go NT if the Mitchell experiment does not work out. It is going to be an exciting draft year.

 

[steelbtexan]

He is.

I dont exactly know what to expect in the draft next year. Could go safety, could go WR, could go OL, could go ILB, and could go NT if the Mitchell experiment does not work out. It is going to be an exciting draft year.

The NT class appears to be weak the CB,LB and the OL class appear to be really deep.

It appears as though Rick and Gary listened to Wade and stopped reaching to fill need early in the draft. It's about time.

 

[rmartin65]

The NT class appears to be weak the CB,LB and the OL class appear to be really deep.

It appears as though Rick and Gary listened to Wade and stopped reaching to fill need early in the draft. It's about time.

I would agree to this. Unless some guys really come out from the woodwork, the drafting a NT below the second round would be a waste of a pick. If you get the chance, take a look at Washington's Alameda Ta'amu. I really like the guy, and think he could be a dominant NT in the pros.

 

[Wolf6151]

I would agree to this. Unless some guys really come out from the woodwork, the drafting a NT below the second round would be a waste of a pick. If you get the chance, take a look at Washington's Alameda Ta'amu. I really like the guy, and think he could be a dominant NT in the pros.

I just watched some YouTube highlights of him and he seems to have better than average agility for someone his size but he doesn't seem to be as strong as I'd expect from someone so big and he doesn't get good leverage. He gets stood up, losing leverage, at the LOS or turned and moved out of position by a single lineman. I can see him as a 3rd or 4th round pick judging by last years footage but if he's going to play in the NFL he had better get alot stronger and bend his knees more to get lower and gain leverage. Someone his size should be swatting O-linemen like mosquitoes. We'll see what he learns or gets better at this year.

 

[Wolf6151]

He is.

I dont exactly know what to expect in the draft next year. Could go safety, could go WR, could go OL, could go ILB, and could go NT if the Mitchell experiment does not work out. It is going to be an exciting draft year.

It certainly should be an exciting draft next year. The draft looks really deep at CB, FS/SS, and LB all of which should be our needs in the 2012 draft. NT doesn't look real deep but there seems to be some good ones out there. We could finally get a playmaker in the secondary and a stud NT on the D-line.

 

[rmartin65]

I just watched some YouTube highlights of him and he seems to have better than average agility for someone his size but he doesn't seem to be as strong as I'd expect from someone so big and he doesn't get good leverage. He gets stood up, losing leverage, at the LOS or turned and moved out of position by a single lineman. I can see him as a 3rd or 4th round pick judging by last years footage but if he's going to play in the NFL he had better get alot stronger and bend his knees more to get lower and gain leverage. Someone his size should be swatting O-linemen like mosquitoes. We'll see what he learns or gets better at this year.

That is my main knock on him as well (strength), but I am hoping that he got a good off-season in and built it up a bit. He lost about 30-40 pounds in the last offseason, and I am thinking that hurt him a bit.

 

[badboy]

Ta'amu is the only big NT. If we are going to draft a 300-310lb NT why not stay with what we already have that Phillips thinks will be fine and use that draft pick elsewhere? As Ta'Amu has the size I want, I would use a pick on him but no one else comes to mind.