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2011 Senior Bowl Game

JB said:
John McClain knows squat compared to Mayock.
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No doubt. But McClain would never fail to rep a player from his own school if there was just one positive thing about him, he's got that kind of blind loyalty to his own. Taylors had some off field issues, that must be why McClain is so negative about him ?
 
TexansSeminole said:
Ponder has good stats. He ran for 2 first downs, threw for 94 yards and a TD going 5/9.
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56 yds of that was on a severely underthrown ball that Hank made a nice adjustment and got lucky when it bounced off his chest. Ponder's accuracy did not look good.
 
I see some 3-4 OLB prospects and one big NT . I do believe that Wade would want an athletic 337 lb NT more than a 300 lb athletic NT .
 
JB said:
I think there is a pretty good chance. We pick 10th?
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That's what I'm thinking.

Trading down and picking Taylor would be the best possible scenerio.

But picking Taylor at #11 wouldn't be a bad pick. I would rather Smith reach on Taylor instead of reaching on Harris or Ayers.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's what I'm thinking.

Trading down and picking Taylor would be the best possible scenerio.

But picking Taylor at #11 wouldn't be a bad pick. I would rather Smith reach on Taylor instead of reaching on Harris or Ayers.
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You don't think that Taylor will make it to 10 in the second?
 
If Von Miller wasn't gonna be there at 11 before this week, I'm not sure if he's there at 5 now ? The way Mayock and Co have heaped praise on this guy he might be the #1 overall ?
 
JimBaker488 said:
If Von Miller wasn't gonna be there at 11 before this week, I'm not sure if he's there at 5 now ? The way Mayock and Co have heaped praise on this guy he might be the #1 overall ?
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The pundits can say what they want now, but they won't really start getting slotted until the combine and/or individual pro days.
 
JimBaker488 said:
If Von Miller wasn't gonna be there at 11 before this week, I'm not sure if he's there at 5 now ? The way Mayock and Co have heaped praise on this guy he might be the #1 overall ?
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Nah, ain't no way he will go # 1
 
JB said:
You don't think that Taylor will make it to 10 in the second?
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Hopefully he will be there. A team like New England could pick him up at #32/33. Denver,Dallas or the Tacks could also pick Taylor before the Texans pick at #40.

That's why they need to get their center piece NT in rd 1/2.

I've been keeping up with Brooks Reed at the Sr. Bowl. How did he look in the game today?

Reed would be a good pick in the 4th rd. IMHO

How would you feel about a draft like this.

Rd.1 Ayers
Rd.2 Taylor
Rd.3 Carter
Rd.4.Reed

The problem is the meaningless win at the end of the season has put this team just out of the elite picks at positions of need. This has happened for 4 straight yrs.

This is why I'm even more in favor of trading up for Peterson. (Cant miss) There's not a cant miss at #11. A NT could be found in FA and another one in Rd 3/4. With Gary and Rick's draft history pick #11 isn't a good place to be.
 
steelbtexan said:
I've been keeping up with Brooks Reed at the Sr. Bowl. How did he look in the game today?
Reed would be a good pick in the 4th rd. IMHO
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He's been impressive all week in practice and in the game today - got atleast 1 sack. And your dreaming if you think 4th round, no later than 3rd and likely earlier round IMO. The sack I saw him get today he was rushing from the edge standing up-right.
 
JimBaker488 said:
Did the Senior Bowl use to be the North-South game and if so was the name changed to be politically correct ?
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The North/South game was going bankrupt.

When UnderArmour agreed to sponsor the game the name was changed to the U/A Sr.Bowl.
 
getting a bad vibe off comments, having not seen the game yet myself, that Taylor will not last for Texans to use their 2nd rd. pick on & that Von Miller goes top 10? Is this actual consensus?
 
beerlover said:
getting a bad vibe off comments, having not seen the game yet myself, that Taylor will not last for Texans to use their 2nd rd. pick on & that Von Miller goes top 10? Is this actual consensus?
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Yeah, the way they are talking him up Miller will definitely go top 10. And Taylor may go anywhere from 25-43.

Miller still scares me, but he did look good in the Senior Bowl. Taylor was down to 337 and looked like a beast.
 
i didnt get to see the game can someone please tell me how the following players played:

North team:
Quinton Carter - FS
Sione Fua - NT/DT
Ian Williams - NT/DT
Titus Young - WR
Ryan Kerrigan - DE/OLB

South Team:
Deandre Mcdaniel - SS
Von Miller - OLB
Brooks Reed - OLB
Phil Taylor - NT


thanks guys
 
aussie_texan said:
i didnt get to see the game can someone please tell me how the following players played:

North team:
Quinton Carter - FS
Sione Fua - NT/DT
Ian Williams - NT/DT
Titus Young - WR
Ryan Kerrigan - DE/OLB

South Team:
Deandre Mcdaniel - SS
Von Miller - OLB
Brooks Reed - OLB
Phil Taylor - NT


thanks guys
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I'm still waiting to watch the game from tenyard.
What I can offer after watching some of these guys for a couple of years:
Titus Young has good speed, if he can work on his moves, he can become a good player (Andre Davis with upside).

Reed (while I was watching our own the Mitch, his former teammate) has always been a workhorse. (I watched him some this year also.)
One of those guys who loves the game and just goes after it.
The upside may be limited since he has been working hard at it, but he's at least should be considered somewhere around the same draft round with Mitchell last year.
When I watched them play together, it was hard to decide which one was more important or more efficient to the scheme.
In that sense, Reed should be drafted higher than Mitchell (since he played at the approximate level a year earlier); however, Mitchell had to switch positions. My guesstimate is that they probably should be drafted at about the same slot, give or take.
If End is at a shorter demand then he could be drafted higher.
 
On the other hand, he looks somewhat like Matthews.
And Matthews turned it up a notch when he entered the NFL, so it's hard to tell.
Guys who simply go after it, I don't think you can go wrong having them on your team.
 
JB said:
Yeah, the way they are talking him up Miller will definitely go top 10. And Taylor may go anywhere from 25-43.

Miller still scares me, but he did look good in the Senior Bowl. Taylor was down to 337 and looked like a beast.
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Exactly

This is why a trade up (Peterson) or a trade down (Taylor) if possible would be the best possible scenerio.

Smith needs to be agressive and not just sit still at # 11. The past draft record says Gary and Rick will find a way to screw it up.
 
76Texan said:
On the other hand, he looks somewhat like Matthews.
And Matthews turned it up a notch when he entered the NFL, so it's hard to tell.
Guys who simply go after it, I don't think you can go wrong having them on your team.
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This is what's wrong with the Texans as a team.

There are not enough guys like Reed on this team. Guys that simply get after it.
 
aussie_texan said:
i didnt get to see the game can someone please tell me how the following players played:

North team:
Quinton Carter - FS, Didn't play

Sione Fua - NT/DT, Looked good but was a notch below Taylor

Ian Williams - NT/DT, Didn't really make a difference

Titus Young - WR, Hard to say he looked fast, but didn't remind me of DeSean Jackson. This could've been due to poor QB play.


Ryan Kerrigan - DE/OLB, Looked great, took Solder to school.

South Team:
Deandre Mcdaniel - SS, Looked OK, In the box S who has some ability to cover.

Von Miller - OLB, Best player in the game, stock is soaring.

Brooks Reed - OLB, Really impressed me, Plays extremely hard and can get after the QB. Reminds me of a young Mike Vrabel. Love for the Texans to draft him in Rd. 3/4.

Phil Taylor - NT, Dominant, Went from a 3rd rd pick to a late 1st rd pick. Big man that is quick, He's the type of NT that the Texans need to transition to a 3-4.
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Buffalo has 2nd (#34) pick of second round. Gailey incorporates a 3-4 he needs a NT & he's coaching Taylor. So if Texans target Taylor they will need to jump ahead of them.

New England likes to trade back? #28 (660) would cost Houston 2nd (480) + 3rd (225) with NE kicking back a 4th (48). 660 = 480+225-48(657).
 
beerlover said:
Buffalo has 2nd (#34) pick of second round. Gailey incorporates a 3-4 he needs a NT & he's coaching Taylor. So if Texans target Taylor they will need to jump ahead of them.

New England likes to trade back? #28 (660) would cost Houston 2nd (480) + 3rd (225) with NE kicking back a 4th (48). 660 = 480+225-48(657).
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Who would you select at 11 with that trade in mind?

What about trading back in the first to pick up either Justin Houston or Aldon Smith then trading back up to select Taylor with the picks acquired?
 
beerlover said:
Buffalo has 2nd (#34) pick of second round. Gailey incorporates a 3-4 he needs a NT & he's coaching Taylor. So if Texans target Taylor they will need to jump ahead of them.

New England likes to trade back? #28 (660) would cost Houston 2nd (480) + 3rd (225) with NE kicking back a 4th (48). 660 = 480+225-48(657).
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I would do this trade.

Then try to trade back into the 3rd. Even if it cost future picks to draft a S. There should be a good S available in the 3rd rd. Think of the players that could be drafted.

Rd.1 Houston
Rd.1 Taylor
Rd.4 Jerrard Tarrant
Rd.4 David Carter
Rd.5 Ronald Johnson

If a good Ike Taylor CB is added in FA. This will go from a weak on the DL and slow in the secondary defense. To a young fast dangerous defense that will make mistakes because they're young. As opposed to the crap defense that couldn't get pressure on the QB and had possibly the worst secondary in the history of the NFL.

Late rd S guys to look at drafting are Shiloh Keo, Eugene Clifford and Andrew Rich. (76 Texans guy) I checked him out and like him alot. That guys a player. Rich is the kinda guy that will fall because of his measurables. But his instincts are off the charts. (Jim Leonhard)

The Texans could use more guys like Rich,Keo etc...

If Kubiak falls on his face again this yr the he will be gone. That's why I could see the Texans moving up for Taylor this yr. Or atleast Kubiak will make it to the combine this yr. Regardless there's hope that the Texans will atleast be agressive this offseason.
 
JCTexan said:
Who would you select at 11 with that trade in mind?

What about trading back in the first to pick up either Justin Houston or Aldon Smith then trading back up to select Taylor with the picks acquired?
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Or this,

The Texans need to be thinking outside the box this offseason. I dont know if Rick/Gary are capable of thinking this way.
 
steelbtexan said:
aussie_texan said:
Phil Taylor - NT, Dominant, Went from a 3rd rd pick to a late 1st rd pick. Big man that is quick, He's the type of NT that the Texans need to transition to a 3-4.
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But does Wade want a big fat NT like he had in Jamaill Williams in SD, who's like Baylor's Taylor and probably more of a 2-gapper, or does he want to go with a smaller, quick player like he had in Dallas with Ratliff who's a gap rusher like the 3-tech DTs in the 4-3 ? Perhaps he dosen't have a preference, though I doubt he or the Texans would share that kind of info with us ?
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Phillips also had Ted Washington in Buffalo

Ratliff is the only small NT that he has coached.

Curly Culp was another big NT that Phillips has coached. When he was an AC with the Oilers.
 
beerlover said:
Buffalo has 2nd (#34) pick of second round. Gailey incorporates a 3-4 he needs a NT & he's coaching Taylor. So if Texans target Taylor they will need to jump ahead of them.
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The Bills just spent a 2nd round pick on a NT last year, Torell Troup.
 
beerlover said:
Buffalo has 2nd (#34) pick of second round. Gailey incorporates a 3-4 he needs a NT & he's coaching Taylor. So if Texans target Taylor they will need to jump ahead of them.

New England likes to trade back? #28 (660) would cost Houston 2nd (480) + 3rd (225) with NE kicking back a 4th (48). 660 = 480+225-48(657).
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This is what I've been thinking of all morning long. Ideally, a small trade down in the 1st round. Then use the extra pick we gained to move our second up to late 1st. We'd still have our original 3rd.

Two guys yall have really got me excited about are JJ Watt and Justin Houston. Interestingly enough NE could take either at 17th. Jacksonville at 16 won't trade up with us. That leaves Miami, St. Louis, Detroit and Minnesota. Not sure a trade would happen.

So that leaves me with thinking JJ Watt or Justin Houston at the 11th.

New England also has the 33rd pick (1st in the 2nd round). So if we trade our 2nd rounder for their 33rd and then swap 3rd rounders with them, that could happen. They'd have selected at 17 and 28, then moved from 33rd to 43 (9 spots) and pick up 20 slots in the 3rd. That way we don't give up a pick.

Take Phil Taylor at 33.

JJ Watt - Phil Taylor - Mario Williams would be a great DL.
Barwin/Cushing as OLBS. Demeco/Sharpton inside with another LB selection in the 3rd. Either OLB or ILB.

How did Kelvin Sheppard of LSU look in the game? Coud be a good ILB to target with the late 3rd we got from New England.

We're already young in the secondary. Gotta get a FA CB like Aso, Bailey or Taylor. Earlier post mentioned Ike Taylor. This could be the start of a very very good defense.
 
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