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Favre Thread - Traded to Jets

WWJD said:
Packer fans (something like 50 thousand of them) were booing Rodgers the other day at that scrimmage they had...he had missed something like 9 passes or something in a row.

As soon as that happens in a game that counts the fans will be screaming for Brett.
And he's gone...bye bye to Tampa or wherever and I personally think he'll do fine because he's just that good.

The Packers are just another team now...trying to find an identity with a guy that has never played much and when he did he's always ended up hurt. Not his fault but that's just the way it's been.

That weight on Aaron's shoulder just became about a ton heavier. We'll see if he can handle it.
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Fans are fickle.
I don't see why you think AR wasn't gonna go thru that when guys like steve young had to go through it as well. That's what happens when you follow a legend no matter how great you're projected to be or wind up becoming.

If the team still wins & goes to the playoffs & AR plays decent for a 1st year starter i doubt the fans will be screaming for Brett.
 
I think I'd be happier sucking farts out of a dead chickens ass rather than the saga surrounding Brett. Just as I thought Total Access couldn't get anymore disappointing with all the Favre coverage.....they bring on the Lord of Asshats (Charlie Casserly) for his "expert opinoin". :bat:

Just as I was about to send my remote sailing through the TV screen, a sense of tranquillity quickly flushed throughout my body as I remember the Texans will soon be on the field this Saturday night. The feeling of having Favre's every move force fed to me will soon cease for at least 3-4 hours.

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WWJD said:
I imagine Brett probably went into that meeting with his coach saying what he said on his Fox interview...that he should come back as the starter and there is no reason he shouldn't. You don't put a QB like him on the bench.

It would do him no good to have gone thru all this to sit on the bench now would it?

They lied to him about even talking to Coach Mariucci...he said he asked them to interview him and that was all...he did not say you have to hire him..just talk to him and they told him they did and didn't.

I think perhaps Brett can't get around all the lies he's been told by the FO of the Packers. It's hard to work with people when you can't trust them. Best he move on...he's too darn good to hold a clipboard.
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Well, we'll see how good he still is this year when he doesn't have a Greg Jennings taking a 7 yd slant route 60 more yards for him helping to pad his stats. Or he doesn't have a Donald Driver jumping up to snatch balls that shouldn't have been thrown in the 1st place through double coverage.

He's not above holding a clipboard, if the pack chose to bench or trade him 2 years ago i doubt we are going on about this, b/c then you guys wouldn't have last seasons stats as a crux for your arguments.
 
El Tejano said:
BTW, the NFL probably will want everyone to wear a picture of Brett Favre on the back of their helmets. I'm getting tired of this.
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No picture because the decal has already been designed for the back of the helmets:

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Second Honeymoon said:
well see how McCarthy and Thompson's approval ratings are once they go 4-12 this year with Rodgers and Co. at Quarterback. I think they did the right thing by Rodgers by sticking by him, but I think they screwed the rest of the team and the fans.

You heard it here first. The packers will be lucky to win 5 games and Rodgers probably will hurt around Week 2 or 3.

I don't know how Favre is going to do in Tampa or wherever he plays, but I do know that the Packers are going to go into the tank and Ted Thompson and McCarthy will be driven out of town like Frankenstein.

The only thing Rodgers has proven is that he is injury prone and that he can hold a clipboard. Favre has proven a case to be the greatest QB of all time (statistically speaking). Packers are morons and I can't wait to see them fail.
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Eeek. I don't think I agree with you on this one.

I think Brett has a steeper hill to climb in Tampa Bay than the entire Packers team has with Aaron Rodgers at the controls.

Predicting a disaster for the GM and HC, together, is like Altoids: curiously strong.
 
If the TB deal goes through best of luck to Brett. I would've made the call right after the game with the Giants that i was going to return next year after being a step away back from the SB. That's just me though.

I don't get how some people are calling Rodgers injury prone considering he's been in the wings behind an Iron man QB and a legend in the league. No way he was going to ever break the lineup regardless until Favre decided to fully retire. He's unproven but looked like a starter at least in the little time we've gotten to see him.

Far as the Pack goes next year I don't see how you can't think they're not going to be competitive unless Rodgers just really stinks it up. They've got a good Veteran WR in Driver and a young talented Corps behind him. If Grant picks up where he left off last year then they're most likely going to have a consistent rushing game if nothing less. Donald Lee had a nice season last year and they added Finley to the TEs. Rodgers has weapons at his disposal and a good defense at his back.

Lastly.....they play in the NFC North.
 
Goldensilence said:
If the TB deal goes through best of luck to Brett. I would've made the call right after the game with the Giants that i was going to return next year after being a step away back from the SB. That's just me though.

I don't get how some people are calling Rodgers injury prone considering he's been in the wings behind an Iron man QB and a legend in the league. No way he was going to ever break the lineup regardless until Favre decided to fully retire. He's unproven but looked like a starter at least in the little time we've gotten to see him.

Far as the Pack goes next year I don't see how you can't think they're not going to be competitive unless Rogers just really stinks it up. They've got a good Veteran WR in Drivers and a young talented Corps behind him. If Grant picks up where he left off last year then they're most likely going to have a consistent rushing game if nothing less. Donald Lee had a nice season last year and they added Finley to the TEs. Rodgers has weapons at his disposal and a good defense at his back.

Lastly.....they play in the NFC North.
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Great post, rep your way for seeing the packers team as a whole instead of Favre & the packers.

AR would have to stink it up Ryan Leaf style for them to not win at least 10 games.
Its funny b/c ESPIN & NFLTA all kept showing AR's Int over & over & made reference to how many incompletions he had in a row, but they would always say, "he led a TD drive early on.." I don't think i ever saw that td drive.
 
I think Goodell forced the Packers' hand, and Ari Fleischer (sp?) advised the Packers to go ahead and let the reinstatement happen...then, the thinking is this: Let Favre make his Triumphant Entry into the camp facility, but lock him up deep inside the facility and hammer Favre until Favre walks away disgusted.

No pads. No helmet. No trotting out onto the field and flashing the thumbs up to the kids in #4 jerseys. That's what Favre thought was gonna' happen, and that's what the Packers pretended to the media was going to happen. But the plan, all along, was to let Dictator Goodell get some of what he wanted, but not all of it. That'd be a damn fine strategy if that's how it worked out. General George Patton would be proud: "Favre, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!"

I think Packers figured they could let Goodell have his way, bring in the Man God (Favre), and privately out-flank him by showing him that he's not "in the right mindset" to be on the team. Instead of Favre getting his way, you have a head coach who rightly told him how the cow eats the cabbage and then McCarthy immediately issues a press conference ASAP and maintains his loyalty to Rodgers (thereby contrasting it against Favre's flip flopping).

I think Ari earned his pay on this one. I think the Packers made a beautiful cornerback blitz that Favre didn't see coming his way, which is why Favre is claiming that stories have been planted, there's been false posturing, etc.

Well, hell, Brett...They just out-maneuvered you at your own game.

LOL. This is THE best off-season filler. Ever.
 
Mr teX said:
Well, we'll see how good he still is this year when he doesn't have a Greg Jennings taking a 7 yd slant route 60 more yards for him helping to pad his stats. Or he doesn't have a Donald Driver jumping up to snatch balls that shouldn't have been thrown in the 1st place through double coverage.

He's not above holding a clipboard, if the pack chose to bench or trade him 2 years ago i doubt we are going on about this, b/c then you guys wouldn't have last seasons stats as a crux for your arguments.
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Wasn't Tampa Bay in the playoffs last year? It's not as though they are the bane of the league or anything.

And I'm sorry but Brett is far too good and has done too much in this league to hold a clipboard when he's perfectly capable of playing.

I'm not using last season as a argument but rather a whole career. A FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAME CAREER as my argument.

He deserves to play if he wants. And obviously that's what he wants!
 
Mr teX said:
Fans are fickle.
I don't see why you think AR wasn't gonna go thru that when guys like steve young had to go through it as well. That's what happens when you follow a legend no matter how great you're projected to be or wind up becoming.

If the team still wins & goes to the playoffs & AR plays decent for a 1st year starter i doubt the fans will be screaming for Brett.
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Well they were already screaming for his head and that was a scrimmage. I can't imagine a game would be much different.

I don't wish the guy ill...in fact I hope he does well...I'm sure he's probably a nice enough guy and all but when I heard Brett wanted to play and had decided on coming back I felt that he was due his job back.

And I haven't changed my mind obviously. His interview on FOX convinced me that Brett was expressing his honest opinion and he laid out what had happened, why he had said what he had and it all made sense to me.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
You are smoking SH. The Packers will win 10 games regardless of who is taking snaps. Talented, young and deep are the Packers. If it were not for an old and cold #4, on the frozen tundra no less, playing against the Giants, the Packers may have made it to the Super Bowl.
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I was at work then, so I wasn't smoking....but I am now and I still think the Packers will be fortunate to win 5 games under the circumstances. That situtation is going to implode.

Just wait until they realize what they lost and see how things change when no one respects their QB's ability to read defenses and burn the blitz. Rodgers has been really classy and pretty damn savvy during all this, but at the end of the day he is a china doll Tedford system QB. That aint exactly a ringing endorsement for success.

I will say this, if Brohm can play well his rookie year, they may be able to reach .500. Yeah, their team looked good last year but that was with Favre at the helm...Rodgers isn't going to get the job done. He is totally set up for failure. If the Packers reach 8 wins this year, 5 of them will have to be in their division and I bet half the wins would be sans Rodgers as starter. Rodgers couldn't last one game without getting injured last year and I could easily see him knocked out opening day against the brutal Vikings pass rush.
 
Mr teX said:
Fans are fickle.
I don't see why you think AR wasn't gonna go thru that when guys like steve young had to go through it as well. That's what happens when you follow a legend no matter how great you're projected to be or wind up becoming.

If the team still wins & goes to the playoffs & AR plays decent for a 1st year starter i doubt the fans will be screaming for Brett.
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Comparing Steve Young to Aaron Rodgers is probably a pretty unfair comparison. Young had already proven himself for 3 years as a successful backup and 2 years as a starter ('91 he showed the skills *and some of his own injury issues* and in '92 they got to the NFC Championship Game losing to the Jimmy Johnson-led Cowboys) Montana wasn't shipped to KC until the '93 season and some of us Oilers fans know that all too well.

Young already had won some 49er faithful over (most significantly Policy and Walsh) and at least there was an argument on who was the best guy for the 49ers. Montana also had had huge injury issues since 1989 and there was an argument to make. There is no argument between Rodgers and Favre. With Young and Montana, even the biggest 'Joe' Homer knew that Young made more football sense and they were rewarded with a Super Bowl trophy albeit against a woefully poor Chargers team led by Stan Humphries...ugh that game blew chunks. it was like Madden '93...Young dropped like 6 or 7 TDs on those fools.

Dont get me wrong. Rodgers has handled himself with class and Favre hasn't always handled himself well, but Favre is Favre and Rodgers is Rodgers. One holds just about every record in history while the other one holds a clipboard.

Favre made Green Bay relevant again and he has had a huge hand in making the league the huge success that it is. You can give Thompson and McCarthy all the credit you want, but post back here in a season or two when both guys are unemployed and the Packers are late night talk show fodder....
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I was at work then, so I wasn't smoking....but I am now and I still think the Packers will be fortunate to win 5 games under the circumstances. That situtation is going to implode.

Just wait until they realize what they lost and see how things change when no one respects their QB's ability to read defenses and burn the blitz. Rodgers has been really classy and pretty damn savvy during all this, but at the end of the day he is a china doll Tedford system QB. That aint exactly a ringing endorsement for success.

I will say this, if Brohm can play well his rookie year, they may be able to reach .500. Yeah, their team looked good last year but that was with Favre at the helm...Rodgers isn't going to get the job done. He is totally set up for failure. If the Packers reach 8 wins this year, 5 of them will have to be in their division and I bet half the wins would be sans Rodgers as starter. Rodgers couldn't last one game without getting injured last year and I could easily see him knocked out opening day against the brutal Vikings pass rush.
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So the Packers would have won only 5 games (8 less than last year) this year just because of Favre's retirement and Rodgers' ascendancy? I just don't see a young, deep and talented team with something to prove so susceptible to laying down. They were mentally prepared for his exit once before, this is not unchartered territory.
 
PFT and others are reporting that Brett Favre has been traded to the Jets. Details of trade are not yet available. On another note, valium sales spiked to astronomical new highs in Wisconsin.
 
From Jay Glazer at Fox

The Brett Favre era in Green Bay is now officially over. But Favre's legendary career is not.

The month-long saga has finally come to an end, with the Packers agreeing to trade their future Hall-of-Fame quarterback to the New York Jets, FOXSports.com has learned.
The exact compensation was not immediately known, but it is believed to be a single draft pick that increases in value depending upon how the Jets perform during the 2008 season.


FAVRE: THROUGH THE YEARS Photos: There will only ever be one Brett Favre. Take a stroll down memory lane and check out Favre through the years and his greatest moments. As a result of this, the Jets will likely release a quarterback. Signs have been pointing to Chad Pennington as the likely culprit because the team will need to free up cap room to fit Favre's contract under the salary cap.

The Jets were much more aggressive than the Bucs in their pursuit of Favre all along. The bigger issue was getting Favre on the same page as the Packers front office as far as the Jets were concerned.

Finally, late Tuesday, Favre talked to Jets head coach Eric Mangini and others in the organization for the first time as they tried to convince Favre he would be a good fit in New York.

The Packers had been hopeful of getting a deal done with the Jets for two reasons. One, it was the better offer on the table as far as the quality of the compensation. Two, it sends Favre out of the conference, meaning a meeting in the playoffs is an extreme longshot.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8381934/Favre-out:-Packers-trade-legend-to-Jets
 
This is too funny. The Jets?!! I thought he wanted to go to a contender. We were force fed Favre for the last few weeks and he ends up in NY!

And the legacy diminishes in 3...2...1....
 
The Packers Management are a bunch of A-Holes!!!! No employee should ever be able to tell thier Boss what to do, but Brett Favre proved that he is still a great QB. For the Packers Brass to not even allow him compete for the starting job is ridiculous.

I wish Brett was going to the Viking so he could should it up the Packs Managements you know what. If he were going to a better team I would guarantee that Ted Thompson would be out of a job in less than two years, but I can't say for sure since he's going to the Jets.

Favre desreved to be cut as requested. Good luck Green Bay your headed to mediocrity in no time!!!!!!!!!!!!


Big Lou
 
Did Ted Thompson once work for Bud Adams? Just seems like the same school of thought ignoring history while searching for a better bottom line.

I feel for my boy Brett. I hope he lights it up for the Jets, though only when they aren't playing the Texans.

The pack just flushed a ton of history down the toilet straight to NY. Unfreakin-believable!
 
As a result of this, the Jets will likely release a quarterback. Signs have been pointing to Chad Pennington as the likely culprit because the team will need to free up cap room to fit Favre's contract under the salary cap.
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If Pennington is released, it would be so like Belichick to sign him to a 1 year deal.

I don't get this from a Jets perspective. It's not like they are a QB away from a championship. Or have trouble filling seats. Does a Brett Favre farewell tour buy Tangini an extra year for their rebuilding project? The Jets don't run the WCO. Can Favre learn a different offense is less than a full offseason? Doesn't make sense, to me.
 
I hope Brett Favre goes out with a dud. His whole act his been annoying. I'm not rooting for him to succeed with the Jets. He should have stayed retired.

I don't like how either side handled things. Ted Thompson and the Packers brass have huge egos. If they didn't, they would have been smart enough to know that Brett Favre gives them the best chance to win a championship in 2008.

Brett Favre's whole "I'm retiring...no wait, I'm not" also is irritating. Make up your damn mind. And seemingly trying to hold a team hostage while wanting to be released or traded to a team of his choice annoyed the hell out of me. I wish the Packers had traded him to the Raiders.

As a whole though, I support the Packers more for trading him than I do Favre for coming back.
 
TexanSam said:
I hope Brett Favre goes out with a dud. His whole act his been annoying. I'm not rooting for him to succeed with the Jets. He should have stayed retired.

I don't like how either side handled things. Ted Thompson and the Packers brass have huge egos. If they didn't, they would have been smart enough to know that Brett Favre gives them the best chance to win a championship in 2008.

Brett Favre's whole "I'm retiring...no wait, I'm not" also is irritating. Make up your damn mind. And seemingly trying to hold a team hostage while wanting to be released or traded to a team of his choice annoyed the hell out of me. I wish the Packers had traded him to the Raiders.

As a whole though, I support the Packers more for trading him than I do Favre for coming back.
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I don't agree with your line of thinking when it comes to Favre.

Try to wonder what this would feel if Favre was a Texan for several years, had never missed a game and just came off a season where he carried th Texans to a conference title game. Then throw in all that he has done for the community, how many memories that he gave to the fanbase. How can you deny him the right to at least just compete to be apart of the team. How can you tell a legend(that obviously has something in the tank) to stay away? How do you trade away and spew all over the legacy? How would you feel as a fan?
 
Lucky said:
If Pennington is released, it would be so like Belichick to sign him to a 1 year deal.

I don't get this from a Jets perspective. It's not like they are a QB away from a championship. Or have trouble filling seats. Does a Brett Favre farewell tour buy Tangini an extra year for their rebuilding project? The Jets don't run the WCO. Can Favre learn a different offense is less than a full offseason? Doesn't make sense, to me.
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This has been an amazingly expensive offseason for the Jets. They're in a total win now at any cost mode. If they don't have a winning season this season, Mangini is toast.

And if we thought we had heard enough of Favre in Wisconsin, wait until the NY press start. OMG. Favre news will never end. Peter King is going to be his pool boy.

oh, geez. I just realized that my wife is a (tertiary-level) Jets fan. :gun:
 
ESPN

The exact compensation wasn't immediately available, but it is believed to be a fourth-round draft pick that increases in value depending upon how the Jets perform during the 2008 season.

According to the NFL Network, if Favre takes 50 percent of total snaps with the Jets in 2008, the fourth rounder becomes a third-round pick. If he gets 70 percent of the snaps and the Jets make the playoffs, it becomes a second-round pick; and if he gets 80 percent of snaps and the Jets make the Super Bowl, it becomes a first-round pick.
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I just saw on NFL Network's ticker that if the Jets were to trade Farve to Minnesota the Packers would receive three first round picks.

I do have to wonder with as much effort that Green Bay went to in order to keep from helping Minnesota that by trading Brett to the Jets they might inadvertently help the Vikings. What happens if the Jets release Pennington who then signs with the Vikings? Granted he doesn't have the same arm strength as Brett, but he's an accurate passer who can manage a game effectively. With Peterson in the backfield & the Vikings' defense that sounds like a winning formula to me.
 
So I'm seeing this as a Favre for a 2nd Rounder since he most likely will get all the snaps. I guess a 3rd if they don't make the playoffs.
 
The worst part of all of this is when he retires, AGAIN, we are going to have go through a week long send off, AGAIN, and re-live this entire saga. :gun:
 
It's about time, now can we talk about a real football team and real players. Anybody seen my man Schaub anywhere?
 
texasguy346 said:
I do have to wonder with as much effort that Green Bay went to in order to keep from helping Minnesota that by trading Brett to the Jets they might inadvertently help the Vikings. What happens if the Jets release Pennington who them signs with the Vikings? Granted he doesn't have the same arm strength as Brett, but he's an accurate passer who can manage a game effectively.
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The Vikings would be absolute fools not to sign Pennington. No he isn't going to toss it 60 yards in the air, but he is a smart QB who can effectively distribute the ball and read defenses. With AP and that D plus Pennington they should dominate that division.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
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The packers pretty much raped the jets with this deal. This is easily a 2nd rounder since favre's gonna take all the snaps, the jets pick up the remainder of Favre's contract as well as all the baggage & he goes to the AFC so the pack doesn't have to face him in the playoffs.... Win across the board for the pack.


This is why you don't release him folks.
 
Shaft75 said:
Try to wonder what this would feel if Favre was a Texan for several years, had never missed a game and just came off a season where he carried th Texans to a conference title game. Then throw in all that he has done for the community, how many memories that he gave to the fanbase. How can you deny him the right to at least just compete to be apart of the team. How can you tell a legend(that obviously has something in the tank) to stay away? How do you trade away and spew all over the legacy? How would you feel as a fan?
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Ask us about Roger Clemens.
 
Shaft75 said:
I don't agree with your line of thinking when it comes to Favre.

Try to wonder what this would feel if Favre was a Texan for several years, had never missed a game and just came off a season where he carried th Texans to a conference title game. Then throw in all that he has done for the community, how many memories that he gave to the fanbase. How can you deny him the right to at least just compete to be apart of the team. How can you tell a legend(that obviously has something in the tank) to stay away? How do you trade away and spew all over the legacy? How would you feel as a fan?
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I agree but disagree with this. As a lifelong Packers fan (Six Year Texans fan) this has been difficult. I agree with the premise for what Favre has done in the community, and the organization. He has led the team to the Superbowl and won it and lost it. There were several other occasions where his decision making cost the opportunity to get into the Superbowl. Then there are those games where he led the team back from nothing to get into that position.

Favre is a legend and among the top QBs / players all time in the NFL. However no one is bigger than the team or the organization. Especially one with the history of Green Bay. No other team comes close to the 12 NFL championships that Green Bay won. The Superbowl Trophy is named for Lombardi. Favres actions were getting really tiresome for the organization for his temamates and the fans. Even with everything Favre did for the community, has been through as a person there is a limit.

The NFL is a business and as fans we dont always like to see it as such. But think of it in these terms if you told you boss I think I want to retire I am not sure if I want to stick around. No matter how good you were at your job at some point they would get sick of it and tell you to hit the door.

Does it hurt to see Favre in another uniform, yes I feel sick. :headhurts: Will I survive yes. Will the Packers survive yes.

The best thing that could come out of this is the Packers to get to the NFC Championship or the Superbowl. The Jets to make it to the Wild card and get their butts handed to them by the Texans on their way to the Superbowl.
 
pittbull3 said:
It's about time, now can we talk about a real football team and real players. Anybody seen my man Schaub anywhere?
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HoustonFrog said:
Exactly. I mean please don't cry and wave goodbye at every stadium like the last 2 years.
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How much actual football, like TC coverage, etc. have we missed because of this thing. Why couldn't they update the audience in 5 minutes of each show instead dedicating the entire thing to how many times Brett pooped today, or what was in his cornflakes. A short update and on to football, is that so hard? Apparently so, maybe things will die down and we can actually pay attention to why we all give a **** in the first place......FOOTBALL!
 
Mr teX said:
This is easily a 2nd rounder since favre's gonna take all the snaps
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Nothing easy about it. The Jets were 4-12 last year with two of their wins coming against Miami. Hardly easy for them to get to the play-offs this year which is required in addition to 70% of snaps for them to get a 2nd.
 
This is just an exceedingly dumb deal for the Jets. There's a reason why they suck year in and year out and never seem to climb above average and that reason is neatly summed up as bad decision making (which this deal perfectly demonstrates).

There were only a handful of teams that a trade for Favre might have made sense and the Jets weren't one of them. This is not Joe Montana to the Chiefs. This is Joe Namath to the Rams.
 
infantrycak said:
Nothing easy about it. The Jets were 4-12 last year with two of their wins coming against Miami. Hardly easy for them to get to the play-offs this year which is required in addition to 70% of snaps for them to get a 2nd.
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yeah you're right, i didn't really read all the details but it's nice to know someone does!
 
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